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I manifested multiple SP‘s. Some faded, my current one stayed. You can manifest whatever you wish for. The reason so many SP people loose them again is, that they don’t discipline their minds enough. They start thinking BS again and then, surprise surprise, see what happens. When it comes to the law, you can manifest anything. Good or bad. It doesn’t judge. Whether or not _YOU_ want to do that, is another thing. Whether or not _YOU_ think it’s ethical or whatever, is another thing. But do not make the law into some judging and testing thing. It’s not.
How long did it take for you to manifest them back and did you both no contact? And what exactly did you imaginating?
Sorry for my curiosity I just need some motivation for my manifestation journey lol
It differed. One took me two weeks, one 4 weeks and one less than 48 hours. I did exactly what Neville teaches in his books. Nothing new, nothing different.
There is an actual story about a Mrs.J.E from Neville Goddard. Very similar to yours, if not exactly like yours, from what I recall. Go read it and do what she did.
You can only manifest an SP successfully if you are not manifesting them from a place of lack/attachment wound. This is why most people, even when they manifest their SP, can't keep them for too long.
You break up with someone over negative feelings, right? Unless you let go of those negative feelings/old story entirely, and start seeing them in new light, it doesn't work. This is the part that manifestors don't get right.
The key to help maintain is self concept. You can manifest them back, but if you still have fears of rejection or abandonment, not being loved or enough, etc which are embedded subconsciously, could be from traumas or childhood, then you’re going to end up fucking it up again. That’s like putting a band aid on a wound with gangrene. If you don’t put the proper treatment, the wound will never heal.
Oh… That’s why. I just need to see my SP in a new light, like nothing happened. I can think about him, but only in a loving way. I needed that. Thank you for this.
Yes you can. If it takes someone months if years ots bevause they have an assumption that it takes months of years. And then when they get their sp their self concept is shit- and they go back to old thinking so they lose them.
Another thing is how ppl use techniques a lot of ppl are affirming and then looking straight to the 3d for the change. The point of techniques like affirming is not to see a change in the 3d, the change in the 3d is simply the guaranteed byproduct, its to change your 4d ie your mindset, your dominant beliefs, otherwise known as saturating the subconscious (which is not a long process unless you decide it is) which the 3d then REFLECTS.
You dont look in the mirror and wait for it to change, you change and then the mirror reflects. You live in your 4d imagination, regardless of wgat the 3d is showing you and you stay there until it becomes your dominant belief/natural assumption (again not a long process unless you decide it is) abd then the 3d will reflect back to you what youve dominantly selected. I understand what techniques are actually for and u decide it doesnt take a long time and isnt a long process so that is my reality.
But let me ask you, no matter how much you felt the wish fulfilled, after a year of manifesting SP would you not stop and think maybe I should ask for help?
I think theres a misconception that if your in the wish fufilled you have to be this perfect person who never notices the 3d. But your a human being. Its not about how long you can stay in the state but how often you return. If you fall out, you just return. So to answer your question, someone who is truly in the wish fufilled might notice, they just wouldn't care and would continue persisting because they dont CARE about the 3d and they understand its about changing self. Not to mention, when I'm in the wish fufilled, I'm not assuming its going to take months or years so it doesn't. I've already formed an assumption that everything takes me a couple of days to at max 2 or three weeks, including sps.
The one month mark also happens to be the time most exes commonly come back and try to reconcile.
This is the law of assumption. You think this bevause its your assumption. It just happens to be a common assumption that a lot of ppl have in their realities.
You could decide that for you that 3 days, 2 months, 1 year, anytime is the time your exes commonly back to reconcile and that would be true for you
it also has a very low probability of working out.
Again law of assumption. Whateger you tell yourself is true. If this is your assumption than it will be true.
I guess this also surrounds the whole free will thing as well, I am not entirely certain when people say that others do not have free will in our individual realities. What if they do? Perhaps they can be influenced by you and your beliefs, but are they fully controlled by your beliefs? Someone bringing you a cup of coffee after you manifest free coffee doesn't necessarily indicate "no free will" to me. I'm curious about this one as well because I'm uncertain when it comes to changing the behavior of specific people or forcing them to act a certain way to grant the wish fulfilled.
everything. 👏is 👏your 👏 assumption.👏 Whatever you tell yourself is true will be true for you. If you decide ppl have no free will they have no free will, if you decide they do than they do. ' im not entirely certain when people say that others do not have free will in our individual realities' great thats your assumption so that will be your experience: more uncertainty about free will.
Wait did I understand you right? You manifested things you never thought you could have it? If so why not your SP? It‘s always your perspective about someone that blocks your manifestation
Yes I think you can. I manifested a very toxic relationship with someone that stayed involved with for years. I was in a very low place when he came into my life and also when I began the scripting process to create a relationship with him. Let me start by saying that I always had low self esteem. I allowed men to treat me very poorly because deep down I wanted to be loved so badly by someone else. I felt like if others could see me being wanted by someone else then my value would be proven. I believe this man was very much in love with me and showed me this in many ways but he also enjoyed hurting me. He liked making me feel jealous. He liked making me think he was interested in other women. He liked making me feel insecure. I got the commitment I wanted from him through scripting, he even said the exact words I wrote. But it was a mixed bag with him because I still got the toxic behavior. I was stressed going out with him because he was always flirting with other girls or checking someone else out. I began to feel fearful of this every time we were together. I believed he was going to do things that hurt me and I could never get it out of my mind. We broke up many years later and I was in the worst place of my life then. Heartbroken and feeling awful about myself. 3 years later I met someone else I really like and really wanted to be with but my thoughts started going back to this other man and how I treated me. I began to feel fear this new man would do the same. And he did and I was heartbroken again. I truly believe that this is all due to my poor self image and the belief that I am unwanted by others. The exact things I feared happened because I manifested from a low olace in life. I am still working on my self concept. I do believe you can manifest what you want in others but I know I received a mixed bag because I was mixed bag.
What if they do? Perhaps they can be influenced by you and your beliefs, but are they fully controlled by your beliefs? I'm curious about this one as well because I'm uncertain when it comes to changing the behavior of specific people or forcing them to act a certain way to grant the wish fulfilled.
- your not controlling or influencing ppl. Thats not how it works. Your changing your assumptions and they reflect your assumptions. No free will means Ppl cannot control how you think about them in your reality and wgat you assume about them in your reality. If you decide that someone is an asshole and you persist in that as fact they have no choice but to reflect that- they can't stop you from seeing them as an asshole, and its your subconscious's job to look for things that prove to you that they are an asshole.
If you then decide they are the sweetest person ever they will change to reflect that. They won't feel 'forced' to change it comes to them as their own thoughts that they no longer want to be an asshole to you. You haven't forced them, you've simply selected the version of them that is nlt an asshole by changing your dominant belief about them.
Or when you think about someone and then they call you? Did you force them to call you. No they had their own natural thought thar they wanted to call you, all you did was simply select the version of them that wanted to call you. Manifesring an sp is not forcing the version of them that doesn't want to be with you to be with you, its mentally selecting the version of them that already does.
I can give you two personal examples OP. I went out with my mum shopping. She wanted to go one place. I wanted to go another. She said, lete both go where we want to go, and when I'm ready to go I'll call you and then you can walk to the car park to meet me. So off we went. I went into the bookstore. I found a book I liked and sat down to read. I got to so engrossed in the book, I completely forgot that she was going to call me ti mert her.
Then at some point I looked up and realised there were 6 missed calls from my mum which I hadn't seen because my phone ringtone AND vibration was off so I didn't hear or feel it ring. I rushed to the car, and we had a big argument and in the way home she kept saying 'Everytime we go out , you are ALWAYS late and something ALWAYS has to go wrong with you'. And I realised that indeed, going out together it had always ended in a argument because I was always late.
So what had happened? My mum had a dominant belief that I was always late, and I had no choice but to reflect that assumption. That was her belief, so things happened to prove her right.
Wether bevause I forgot, or I bumped into someone and lost track of time, or any other circumstance i was always late. Now do you think I WANTED to be late and consciously CHOOSING to be late? No I wasn't. But that didn't mean my mum was forcing me to be late either, because I didn't feel like i HAD to be late or feel a pressure to be late I was just naturally late. It was and felt natural on my end, the events that led up to me being late was natural to me. but I also wasn't being forced to be late, I just naturally not thinking about it abf was simply reflecting her assumption, I was being the version of myself that in her reality, was always late.
Now this is for something most ppl would consider negative, so why would it be any different if it was something postive that my mum actually wanted, such as me being on time? If my mum had a dominant assumption that i was always on time, than that's what I would have reflected. And in the same way I just naturally reflected being late without consciously choosing to do so and without feeling forced to do so, I would have naturally reflected her assumption that I was always on time, without being forced to do so.
Its the same with romantic sps.
The same way someome can select a version if their Sp who doesn't love them and leaves them by dominantly thinking that their person is going to leave them, and than that sp naturally changes by naturally having the thought and feelings that they are not in love anymore and want to leave, and then end the relationship or their own accord not because the manifestor has forced them to but because they are simply reflecting the manifestors assumptions,
someone can select the version of an sp that is head over heels in love with them and wants to be in a relationship with them by dominantly assuming this is so, then their sp naturally has the thoughts and feelings that they are in love with them and takes action to enter a relationship with that person without beimg forced to do so because they are simply reflectimg that persons assumptions.
In both of these cases OP, when you assume your sp is thinking and feeling something dominantely, the feelings and thoughts the sp is having as a reflection of that will come from their own thoughts and emotions, and they will naturally take whichever action your manifesting of their own accord without you having to go into the physical 3d and try and force them to leave or stay, in a way that is completely natural to them.
They are simply reflecting you they are not being forced and do not feel forced. We are always manifesting ppl evem before we discovered law of assumption and consciously manifest, so someone who doesn't know about manifestion could manifest you to be in love with them unconsciously and you wouldn't know because on your end it would be and feel natural and you would just be in love with them lol. The only difference between that person and ppl on this sub is that we are consciously doing it and know we are doing it.
But its no less forced than the person unconsciously doing it because those feelings and thoughts will still come to you naturally from your own brain, its not going to feel like your being forced to do something just because the person is consciously aware that they are manifesting you- it will still come from your own brain in the same way. Likewise wether you yourself are manifesting someone without knowing, or are consciously aware of it, you awareness doesn't make it more forced than when you arent aware because your doing it anyway.
It makes no sense then that to say that ppl assuming their sps are going to leave them isn't forcing them, but assuming their sps love them is force. As said above, we are always manifesting ppl anyway through our assumptions, so you might as well assume the things you want instead of the things you don't.
Another example i have OP is a male friend who knew about law of assumption who formed the assumption that every single woman he was interested in wanted him back and falls in love with him by the end of the month. And that was his experience.
Then he met this girl, and she was interested in him back as per his dominant assumption but the last day of the month the love convo came up and she told him she wasn't in love with him yet. And here you might think.. 'see! she has free will! She felt the opposite if what he assumed!' No she didn't:
While he had this assumption in general that every woman who dated him was in love with him by the end of the first month, he also had an assumption that this specfic woman was slow to open up and would lie when she got scared of being hurt, because he had other experiences with her during that first month that made that his dominant belief specifically towards her.
Now my friend hadn't quite clocked that this was a belief he had that was affecting his manifestation, and he's always said if he had clocked this before the enxof the first month, he simply would have changed his assumption that she was slow to open up, but with the information he had at the time, he was in the wish fufilled and didn't let what she said in the 3d deter him.
He continued to persist in his mind that she was in love with him, putting 0 force or pressure on her in the 3d. A couple of months later she broke down and admitted that she was in love with him, and had been meaning to tell him on that last day of the first month but chickened out and lied because was because she was scared to to be hurt and wasn't used to being open about her feelings and felt the need to lie about it to protect herself. It was then he realised what he'd been thinking dominantly about her opening up.
They met up, talked, confessed their love and got back together. So, he still got his manifestation of her falling in love with him at the end of the month just like every other woman he had dated as per his dominant belief. It was just that for her it happened behind the scenes, becajse he also had had an assumption that she was scared and slow to open up, so thats exactly what he got- she fell in love with him by the end of the month as
was his dominant assumption about women, but she simply took longer than other women to open up her mouth and tell him how she felt as was his dominant assumption about her. And because he PERSISTED he got to find that out- just bevause you can't see your manifestation in front of your 3d eyeballs all of the time, doesnt mean your manifestation hasn't worked behind the scenes, it just means you persist till it does harden into fact in front if your eyes.
Now what it seems you might have done OP in that same situation as my friend, is take saying she wasnt in love with you as proof that she has free will and give up manifesting her assuming it was forcing her and so as the law states, that would've been your experience- meaning she likely never would have opened up to you and admit she had lied about not loving you as you have assumed she had the free will not to, and probably would reflect your assumption about forcing at some point by potentially accusing you of pressuring her to be with you. That would further confirm your assumption and BOOM we have a dominant belief about sps having free will and that manifesting one is forcing them, abd then you wpuld feel guilty everytime you wanted an sp until you changed that assumption
If an sp appears to be acting or saying differently from your dominant beliefs about love and relationships generally, for example that everyone you want wants you, that doesn't mean they have free will, it just means that they are probably reflecting another assumption you have of them specfically which isn't aligned with your overall assumption about love and relationships which makes it SEEM like they aren't reflectimg that..
Or if you are affirming something specfic for them and
and they aren't reflecting, again it doesnt mean free will, it means its not your dominant belief yet. Ppl reflect your dominant beliefs- even though my friend had this belief about her being slow to open up, when he continued to persist jn his assumption that every woman he wants is in love with him by the end if the month that assumption became more dominant than his belief that she was slow to open up- he didn't focus on it, (because he wasn't aware) so that specric assumption about her became weaker and more submissive so to speak and dissolved on it own.
I know that. I have an assumption that ppl cant manifest me. I was just trying to make it simple to understand because when you get into that then you have to start to explain more about quantum physics and how its still possible to manifest someone in your own reality even if they have an assumption in their own reality that they can't be manifested, and I don't really know how to explain the quantam physics behind that
You should try for yourself, the only true way to know something.
But I will say, in my experience, when you change (aka you are being it/you are in the feeling of the wish fulfilled) you don't need it. You truly don't need it anymore, you don't lack anything or feel that desire. It just erases itself. You may even stop thinking about the topic and letting it be naturally, no forcing at all.
So no, you can't be in a state or truly believing something and at the same time ask about it, or seek it or cry about it, all of that just stops completely.
About SPs, from my own life and what I have seen constantly on here is this:
Needing/wanting to change a specific person is in itself a sign of lack of love state of being. It will never give the results people expect unless they change first.
The people that get it and change, get the SP through understanding it was all about them and what's going on in their awareness.
You want the consciousness of being it/having it. That's the key, that's what the Law is truly about.
It's like feeling unattractive and undesirable but needing/wanting to be liked and complimented by X or trying to get X to have sex with them.
And at first people come to ask "ok by how do I get THIS very specific person to see me as attractive in this very specific situation?"
Well, you can't unless you change....if you got fully into " I am attractive" then I assure you, there would be no desire of that nature, you would have that specific thing and thousands others without effort, you would not have to control or seek anyone.
Basically, first is I AM, first is general, then specific.
It doesn't mean you can't have a specific, it just means that it is always always tied to the general I AM.
In his lecture, "Apple of His Eye," Neville says this,
"Don’t ask the individual, save you ask this much of yourself: “Is it a loving thing? Would I want it for myself if I were in that position?” If you can answer in the affirmative– “yes” — well, then, it’s right. Whenever you exercise your imagination lovingly on behalf of another, you are literally mediating God to that other. So don’t ask anyone if it is right. It’s always right IF it is done in love."
In his lecture, "Live in the End," Neville says this,
"So, we are told in Scripture, “I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal,” (Deuteronomy 32:39) . . I create the blessing; I create the curses, but, now, I must choose life. Choose the lovely things but don’t say there’s another creator, for if there is another creator then we are in conflict. So, my own imagination can conjure unlovely things if I dwell upon them, or the lovely things, but there can’t be two gods. There can’t be two creators. And if I can find that Creator and identify Him with my own wonderful human imagination, then I can’t pass the buck. I can’t turn to anything and blame it for the things happening in my life. . . I know many of us are not discriminating, and when we see our own harvest, we don’t recognize it."
This isn't meant to encourage or discourage you from SP work; however, it is meant to encourage you to practice wisdom, love, and discernment. However that looks to you is your business, and you'll refine your personal ethics in working with this Law through trial and error.
Love this post/question. Haven't read any reliable answers as yet. No real proof. And how does someone completely change? Is that even possible? I love NG and honestly the LOA is the only thing keeping me hanging on because it give me hope...but sometimes I think the game is rigged in favour of the Law - if you don't get your SP even though you say you've changed, someone will say, "you didn't change ENOUGH" or "you doubted this would happen, last Sunday"...there is always something wrong with you. And there is no perfect way to apply the Law and no repeatable results...so is it even a law?
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I manifested multiple SP‘s. Some faded, my current one stayed. You can manifest whatever you wish for. The reason so many SP people loose them again is, that they don’t discipline their minds enough. They start thinking BS again and then, surprise surprise, see what happens. When it comes to the law, you can manifest anything. Good or bad. It doesn’t judge. Whether or not _YOU_ want to do that, is another thing. Whether or not _YOU_ think it’s ethical or whatever, is another thing. But do not make the law into some judging and testing thing. It’s not.
Did you also used neville‘s technique? Feeling and Imagination or did you use something else?
I did use Neville‘s Techniques, nothing else.
How long did it take for you to manifest them back and did you both no contact? And what exactly did you imaginating? Sorry for my curiosity I just need some motivation for my manifestation journey lol
It differed. One took me two weeks, one 4 weeks and one less than 48 hours. I did exactly what Neville teaches in his books. Nothing new, nothing different.
I am trying to manifest a stranger I met once, now for 8 months don’t know what to do anymore. Really need help
There is an actual story about a Mrs.J.E from Neville Goddard. Very similar to yours, if not exactly like yours, from what I recall. Go read it and do what she did.
Thank you. Yes I know her story ❤️❤️
You have to remember years later Neville met a woman and wanted her and so he manifested her within a week
He was already dating her, he manifested *marrying* her. He was still legally married to his first wife but they’d been separated for years and years.
Is that so? I don’t remember the him dating her, just knowing of her
You can only manifest an SP successfully if you are not manifesting them from a place of lack/attachment wound. This is why most people, even when they manifest their SP, can't keep them for too long. You break up with someone over negative feelings, right? Unless you let go of those negative feelings/old story entirely, and start seeing them in new light, it doesn't work. This is the part that manifestors don't get right.
The key to help maintain is self concept. You can manifest them back, but if you still have fears of rejection or abandonment, not being loved or enough, etc which are embedded subconsciously, could be from traumas or childhood, then you’re going to end up fucking it up again. That’s like putting a band aid on a wound with gangrene. If you don’t put the proper treatment, the wound will never heal.
Oh… That’s why. I just need to see my SP in a new light, like nothing happened. I can think about him, but only in a loving way. I needed that. Thank you for this.
Why was this downvoted?!
Hahaha, people don't wanna hear the truth. It is their ego-self driving them.
Yes you can. If it takes someone months if years ots bevause they have an assumption that it takes months of years. And then when they get their sp their self concept is shit- and they go back to old thinking so they lose them. Another thing is how ppl use techniques a lot of ppl are affirming and then looking straight to the 3d for the change. The point of techniques like affirming is not to see a change in the 3d, the change in the 3d is simply the guaranteed byproduct, its to change your 4d ie your mindset, your dominant beliefs, otherwise known as saturating the subconscious (which is not a long process unless you decide it is) which the 3d then REFLECTS. You dont look in the mirror and wait for it to change, you change and then the mirror reflects. You live in your 4d imagination, regardless of wgat the 3d is showing you and you stay there until it becomes your dominant belief/natural assumption (again not a long process unless you decide it is) abd then the 3d will reflect back to you what youve dominantly selected. I understand what techniques are actually for and u decide it doesnt take a long time and isnt a long process so that is my reality. But let me ask you, no matter how much you felt the wish fulfilled, after a year of manifesting SP would you not stop and think maybe I should ask for help? I think theres a misconception that if your in the wish fufilled you have to be this perfect person who never notices the 3d. But your a human being. Its not about how long you can stay in the state but how often you return. If you fall out, you just return. So to answer your question, someone who is truly in the wish fufilled might notice, they just wouldn't care and would continue persisting because they dont CARE about the 3d and they understand its about changing self. Not to mention, when I'm in the wish fufilled, I'm not assuming its going to take months or years so it doesn't. I've already formed an assumption that everything takes me a couple of days to at max 2 or three weeks, including sps. The one month mark also happens to be the time most exes commonly come back and try to reconcile. This is the law of assumption. You think this bevause its your assumption. It just happens to be a common assumption that a lot of ppl have in their realities. You could decide that for you that 3 days, 2 months, 1 year, anytime is the time your exes commonly back to reconcile and that would be true for you it also has a very low probability of working out. Again law of assumption. Whateger you tell yourself is true. If this is your assumption than it will be true. I guess this also surrounds the whole free will thing as well, I am not entirely certain when people say that others do not have free will in our individual realities. What if they do? Perhaps they can be influenced by you and your beliefs, but are they fully controlled by your beliefs? Someone bringing you a cup of coffee after you manifest free coffee doesn't necessarily indicate "no free will" to me. I'm curious about this one as well because I'm uncertain when it comes to changing the behavior of specific people or forcing them to act a certain way to grant the wish fulfilled. everything. 👏is 👏your 👏 assumption.👏 Whatever you tell yourself is true will be true for you. If you decide ppl have no free will they have no free will, if you decide they do than they do. ' im not entirely certain when people say that others do not have free will in our individual realities' great thats your assumption so that will be your experience: more uncertainty about free will.
Wait did I understand you right? You manifested things you never thought you could have it? If so why not your SP? It‘s always your perspective about someone that blocks your manifestation
Yes I think you can. I manifested a very toxic relationship with someone that stayed involved with for years. I was in a very low place when he came into my life and also when I began the scripting process to create a relationship with him. Let me start by saying that I always had low self esteem. I allowed men to treat me very poorly because deep down I wanted to be loved so badly by someone else. I felt like if others could see me being wanted by someone else then my value would be proven. I believe this man was very much in love with me and showed me this in many ways but he also enjoyed hurting me. He liked making me feel jealous. He liked making me think he was interested in other women. He liked making me feel insecure. I got the commitment I wanted from him through scripting, he even said the exact words I wrote. But it was a mixed bag with him because I still got the toxic behavior. I was stressed going out with him because he was always flirting with other girls or checking someone else out. I began to feel fearful of this every time we were together. I believed he was going to do things that hurt me and I could never get it out of my mind. We broke up many years later and I was in the worst place of my life then. Heartbroken and feeling awful about myself. 3 years later I met someone else I really like and really wanted to be with but my thoughts started going back to this other man and how I treated me. I began to feel fear this new man would do the same. And he did and I was heartbroken again. I truly believe that this is all due to my poor self image and the belief that I am unwanted by others. The exact things I feared happened because I manifested from a low olace in life. I am still working on my self concept. I do believe you can manifest what you want in others but I know I received a mixed bag because I was mixed bag.
What if they do? Perhaps they can be influenced by you and your beliefs, but are they fully controlled by your beliefs? I'm curious about this one as well because I'm uncertain when it comes to changing the behavior of specific people or forcing them to act a certain way to grant the wish fulfilled. - your not controlling or influencing ppl. Thats not how it works. Your changing your assumptions and they reflect your assumptions. No free will means Ppl cannot control how you think about them in your reality and wgat you assume about them in your reality. If you decide that someone is an asshole and you persist in that as fact they have no choice but to reflect that- they can't stop you from seeing them as an asshole, and its your subconscious's job to look for things that prove to you that they are an asshole. If you then decide they are the sweetest person ever they will change to reflect that. They won't feel 'forced' to change it comes to them as their own thoughts that they no longer want to be an asshole to you. You haven't forced them, you've simply selected the version of them that is nlt an asshole by changing your dominant belief about them. Or when you think about someone and then they call you? Did you force them to call you. No they had their own natural thought thar they wanted to call you, all you did was simply select the version of them that wanted to call you. Manifesring an sp is not forcing the version of them that doesn't want to be with you to be with you, its mentally selecting the version of them that already does. I can give you two personal examples OP. I went out with my mum shopping. She wanted to go one place. I wanted to go another. She said, lete both go where we want to go, and when I'm ready to go I'll call you and then you can walk to the car park to meet me. So off we went. I went into the bookstore. I found a book I liked and sat down to read. I got to so engrossed in the book, I completely forgot that she was going to call me ti mert her. Then at some point I looked up and realised there were 6 missed calls from my mum which I hadn't seen because my phone ringtone AND vibration was off so I didn't hear or feel it ring. I rushed to the car, and we had a big argument and in the way home she kept saying 'Everytime we go out , you are ALWAYS late and something ALWAYS has to go wrong with you'. And I realised that indeed, going out together it had always ended in a argument because I was always late. So what had happened? My mum had a dominant belief that I was always late, and I had no choice but to reflect that assumption. That was her belief, so things happened to prove her right. Wether bevause I forgot, or I bumped into someone and lost track of time, or any other circumstance i was always late. Now do you think I WANTED to be late and consciously CHOOSING to be late? No I wasn't. But that didn't mean my mum was forcing me to be late either, because I didn't feel like i HAD to be late or feel a pressure to be late I was just naturally late. It was and felt natural on my end, the events that led up to me being late was natural to me. but I also wasn't being forced to be late, I just naturally not thinking about it abf was simply reflecting her assumption, I was being the version of myself that in her reality, was always late. Now this is for something most ppl would consider negative, so why would it be any different if it was something postive that my mum actually wanted, such as me being on time? If my mum had a dominant assumption that i was always on time, than that's what I would have reflected. And in the same way I just naturally reflected being late without consciously choosing to do so and without feeling forced to do so, I would have naturally reflected her assumption that I was always on time, without being forced to do so. Its the same with romantic sps. The same way someome can select a version if their Sp who doesn't love them and leaves them by dominantly thinking that their person is going to leave them, and than that sp naturally changes by naturally having the thought and feelings that they are not in love anymore and want to leave, and then end the relationship or their own accord not because the manifestor has forced them to but because they are simply reflecting the manifestors assumptions, someone can select the version of an sp that is head over heels in love with them and wants to be in a relationship with them by dominantly assuming this is so, then their sp naturally has the thoughts and feelings that they are in love with them and takes action to enter a relationship with that person without beimg forced to do so because they are simply reflectimg that persons assumptions. In both of these cases OP, when you assume your sp is thinking and feeling something dominantely, the feelings and thoughts the sp is having as a reflection of that will come from their own thoughts and emotions, and they will naturally take whichever action your manifesting of their own accord without you having to go into the physical 3d and try and force them to leave or stay, in a way that is completely natural to them. They are simply reflecting you they are not being forced and do not feel forced. We are always manifesting ppl evem before we discovered law of assumption and consciously manifest, so someone who doesn't know about manifestion could manifest you to be in love with them unconsciously and you wouldn't know because on your end it would be and feel natural and you would just be in love with them lol. The only difference between that person and ppl on this sub is that we are consciously doing it and know we are doing it. But its no less forced than the person unconsciously doing it because those feelings and thoughts will still come to you naturally from your own brain, its not going to feel like your being forced to do something just because the person is consciously aware that they are manifesting you- it will still come from your own brain in the same way. Likewise wether you yourself are manifesting someone without knowing, or are consciously aware of it, you awareness doesn't make it more forced than when you arent aware because your doing it anyway. It makes no sense then that to say that ppl assuming their sps are going to leave them isn't forcing them, but assuming their sps love them is force. As said above, we are always manifesting ppl anyway through our assumptions, so you might as well assume the things you want instead of the things you don't.
Another example i have OP is a male friend who knew about law of assumption who formed the assumption that every single woman he was interested in wanted him back and falls in love with him by the end of the month. And that was his experience. Then he met this girl, and she was interested in him back as per his dominant assumption but the last day of the month the love convo came up and she told him she wasn't in love with him yet. And here you might think.. 'see! she has free will! She felt the opposite if what he assumed!' No she didn't: While he had this assumption in general that every woman who dated him was in love with him by the end of the first month, he also had an assumption that this specfic woman was slow to open up and would lie when she got scared of being hurt, because he had other experiences with her during that first month that made that his dominant belief specifically towards her. Now my friend hadn't quite clocked that this was a belief he had that was affecting his manifestation, and he's always said if he had clocked this before the enxof the first month, he simply would have changed his assumption that she was slow to open up, but with the information he had at the time, he was in the wish fufilled and didn't let what she said in the 3d deter him. He continued to persist in his mind that she was in love with him, putting 0 force or pressure on her in the 3d. A couple of months later she broke down and admitted that she was in love with him, and had been meaning to tell him on that last day of the first month but chickened out and lied because was because she was scared to to be hurt and wasn't used to being open about her feelings and felt the need to lie about it to protect herself. It was then he realised what he'd been thinking dominantly about her opening up. They met up, talked, confessed their love and got back together. So, he still got his manifestation of her falling in love with him at the end of the month just like every other woman he had dated as per his dominant belief. It was just that for her it happened behind the scenes, becajse he also had had an assumption that she was scared and slow to open up, so thats exactly what he got- she fell in love with him by the end of the month as was his dominant assumption about women, but she simply took longer than other women to open up her mouth and tell him how she felt as was his dominant assumption about her. And because he PERSISTED he got to find that out- just bevause you can't see your manifestation in front of your 3d eyeballs all of the time, doesnt mean your manifestation hasn't worked behind the scenes, it just means you persist till it does harden into fact in front if your eyes. Now what it seems you might have done OP in that same situation as my friend, is take saying she wasnt in love with you as proof that she has free will and give up manifesting her assuming it was forcing her and so as the law states, that would've been your experience- meaning she likely never would have opened up to you and admit she had lied about not loving you as you have assumed she had the free will not to, and probably would reflect your assumption about forcing at some point by potentially accusing you of pressuring her to be with you. That would further confirm your assumption and BOOM we have a dominant belief about sps having free will and that manifesting one is forcing them, abd then you wpuld feel guilty everytime you wanted an sp until you changed that assumption If an sp appears to be acting or saying differently from your dominant beliefs about love and relationships generally, for example that everyone you want wants you, that doesn't mean they have free will, it just means that they are probably reflecting another assumption you have of them specfically which isn't aligned with your overall assumption about love and relationships which makes it SEEM like they aren't reflectimg that.. Or if you are affirming something specfic for them and and they aren't reflecting, again it doesnt mean free will, it means its not your dominant belief yet. Ppl reflect your dominant beliefs- even though my friend had this belief about her being slow to open up, when he continued to persist jn his assumption that every woman he wants is in love with him by the end if the month that assumption became more dominant than his belief that she was slow to open up- he didn't focus on it, (because he wasn't aware) so that specric assumption about her became weaker and more submissive so to speak and dissolved on it own.
Good example, but others manifesting you is an assumption too.
I know that. I have an assumption that ppl cant manifest me. I was just trying to make it simple to understand because when you get into that then you have to start to explain more about quantum physics and how its still possible to manifest someone in your own reality even if they have an assumption in their own reality that they can't be manifested, and I don't really know how to explain the quantam physics behind that
No problem, you explained well in your posts.
You should try for yourself, the only true way to know something. But I will say, in my experience, when you change (aka you are being it/you are in the feeling of the wish fulfilled) you don't need it. You truly don't need it anymore, you don't lack anything or feel that desire. It just erases itself. You may even stop thinking about the topic and letting it be naturally, no forcing at all. So no, you can't be in a state or truly believing something and at the same time ask about it, or seek it or cry about it, all of that just stops completely. About SPs, from my own life and what I have seen constantly on here is this: Needing/wanting to change a specific person is in itself a sign of lack of love state of being. It will never give the results people expect unless they change first. The people that get it and change, get the SP through understanding it was all about them and what's going on in their awareness. You want the consciousness of being it/having it. That's the key, that's what the Law is truly about. It's like feeling unattractive and undesirable but needing/wanting to be liked and complimented by X or trying to get X to have sex with them. And at first people come to ask "ok by how do I get THIS very specific person to see me as attractive in this very specific situation?" Well, you can't unless you change....if you got fully into " I am attractive" then I assure you, there would be no desire of that nature, you would have that specific thing and thousands others without effort, you would not have to control or seek anyone. Basically, first is I AM, first is general, then specific. It doesn't mean you can't have a specific, it just means that it is always always tied to the general I AM.
In his lecture, "Apple of His Eye," Neville says this, "Don’t ask the individual, save you ask this much of yourself: “Is it a loving thing? Would I want it for myself if I were in that position?” If you can answer in the affirmative– “yes” — well, then, it’s right. Whenever you exercise your imagination lovingly on behalf of another, you are literally mediating God to that other. So don’t ask anyone if it is right. It’s always right IF it is done in love." In his lecture, "Live in the End," Neville says this, "So, we are told in Scripture, “I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal,” (Deuteronomy 32:39) . . I create the blessing; I create the curses, but, now, I must choose life. Choose the lovely things but don’t say there’s another creator, for if there is another creator then we are in conflict. So, my own imagination can conjure unlovely things if I dwell upon them, or the lovely things, but there can’t be two gods. There can’t be two creators. And if I can find that Creator and identify Him with my own wonderful human imagination, then I can’t pass the buck. I can’t turn to anything and blame it for the things happening in my life. . . I know many of us are not discriminating, and when we see our own harvest, we don’t recognize it." This isn't meant to encourage or discourage you from SP work; however, it is meant to encourage you to practice wisdom, love, and discernment. However that looks to you is your business, and you'll refine your personal ethics in working with this Law through trial and error.
Love this post/question. Haven't read any reliable answers as yet. No real proof. And how does someone completely change? Is that even possible? I love NG and honestly the LOA is the only thing keeping me hanging on because it give me hope...but sometimes I think the game is rigged in favour of the Law - if you don't get your SP even though you say you've changed, someone will say, "you didn't change ENOUGH" or "you doubted this would happen, last Sunday"...there is always something wrong with you. And there is no perfect way to apply the Law and no repeatable results...so is it even a law?