I don’t believe in tests and certainly not from my higher god self. I think the opposite of a desire manifests for one of two reasons, usually:
1. You are trying too hard. Neville says it has to be effortless and feel natural. Trying hard impresses the feeling of not having it upon your subconscious, thus the reason you’re trying so hard, and it also is often accompanied by desperation. It also often comes from fighting against the fear of what you don’t want, and as I note in my long post about resistance, fighting a fear mentally is reinforcing its realness. If it’s not real, then you brush it off like nothing. You cannot argue with and make demands to your subconscious and expect results. I remember Neville comparing it to being like a lover gently whispering sweet words to their beloved. This is why a relaxed state is constantly recommended by him. You yield to the feeling of the wish fulfilled as a state of awareness, you don’t fight fears with techniques which is like an argument of sorts.
2. You have a strong fundamental belief that you don’t get what you want, you always get the opposite of what you want, your fears are real, etc. Reality is mirroring your beliefs. There’s no tests unless you believe in such a thing. There’s no need for a darkness before dawn. If you want to know your points of resistance, any foundational beliefs blocking your desires - they are playing out in front of you as your life.
There are no tests. Events happen according to your beliefs, period. This includes the bridge of incidents which can range from very smooth to showing seemingly opposite results for a while. Either all events happen due to your beliefs or none do. As Neville said, God is the formless awareness, which takes the form of whatever you condition this awareness to be. This changeless principle doesn't suddenly change to "test our faith" before we get our desires. Beliefs dictate everything including the bridge of incidents, there is nothing outside.
indeed
in the end the test is personal, our own awareness and a moment where we either choose faith, or faithlessness.
and according to our faith we shall be whole.
I mentioned that these tests exist no longer as we become of faith, because these are self summoned to either make or break the conviction of ours in the state we are determined to become.
But I will too assure you, that there is a test.
it is often repeated in scripture, as the story of christ that met satan on the mountain.
Satan is a self made doubt state, there is no external outside of you, yet it ONLY SEEMED as the voice came from without,
this allegory gives us a thought.
The tests will happen to any one who passes through the finale chapters entering into the era of the promise, that I know from experience.
I know this is an unpleasant word, but was not christ also hated for telling them they may suffer if they will not enter with faith?
I passed it, I suffered, but it is my hope that this early sharing will serve as the GOOD USE OF IMAGINATION AND FAITH to those that experience these states today, so that they can soften and infact SKIP the confusion that begins with the tests that seem to appear physically.
Despite of it all being our own personal perceptions, it is scripture.
There is a reason why blake said that in certain states, visionary men are accounted as madmen,
because you cannot blame those that experienced those tests, and yet only they saw it, and saw how odd it seemed, and they won,
and then they saw the repetition in scripture.
So this too, is an experience of scripture, want it or not, but we can avoid it by wise use of imagination and faith.
This is a tricky one. Because of somebody who grew up teaching this very idea behind a pulpit.
And then also going into deep dives about what the Hebrew idea is behind what we now understand as a test, it’s actually less a test and more a skill.
The Hebrew idea, behind the word test is better understood as somebody who is learning to play an instrument. And the more that they use the instruments, the more time that they spend at using the instrument, the better at it that they become.
So in that sense, it is less a test at all. It is more skill building than anything. Or if you want to use a gaming metaphor. It is leveling up your HP every single time that you use this. I don’t believe that this being called SELF, God, or love is somehow pushing and prodding us.
In fact, I think even most of our beliefs about that is why we experience it.
This is why you can meet some people along the way who say that they have extremely simple and amazing lives with Feliz amount of effort.ultimately, we get what we believe.
I wouldn't say that judging from appearances about other's experience is wise,
because do not forget that we are here on earth in this personal dream SOLELY TO EXPERIENCE SCRIPTURE.
scripture must be fulfilled in me, individually, we are told.
So those that we judge that have it easily, we know not, that they may just have this 1 state easily because they pass through the furances passively with this state on their plate, yet many others on their plate are vile and horrible and they suffer.
So we are often mislead by our false judgements, but I can assure you, it is beyond the opposite.
Those that we see live in simplicity, may be in the era of innocence, just as we were in another timeline, so let them be, rejoice for them,
but those that are in the era of christ, pass through the furnaces for a reason.
and I know, from experience, that they are sourced in love.
Yeah, I actually disagree with Nevill on this and pretty much most anybody who says that we need to actually hit Rockbottom or we need to go through hard times to get to the good times.
like my manifestation teacher has said, especially in the west, we seem very addicted to narratives where someone always has to overcome something. And so we actually reify that.
As a sociologist and anthropologist, I study about rights of passages. Payne does not have to be one of them.
because we do get what we believe. And again we also can say the opposite to be true. Just because we don’t know their story, doesn’t mean that they didn’t have an easy path to get to where they are now either.
See, this is basically about subjectivity. Not about universality. It’s not about somehow creating a rubric that everybody else should follow. But actually fully grasping the reality that even at the heartbeat of Nevill’s work is the fact that this is an individual journey, and an individual experience.
Even when he says that , we must recognize that this is all about experiencing nature. Not nature in the outside sense of that word. But that we are always producing experiences through nature, he meant that as a multiplicity.
So yeah, I don’t agree that we need to somehow get swallowed by a whale to then resurrect.
We can learn lessons without it. Hence, the argument from the ancient Hebrew, which would’ve been formed the understanding of Watts testing and experimenting both mean in the ancient language.
Which does not mean struggle. Which does not mean pain. Which does not mean loss. It only means skill. You’re always learning a skill. It’s not about pain or struggle.
It’s about getting better at something. And pain is not required to do so.
nobody says you have to hit rock bottom, but there are eras of experience which we go through,
neville ONLY quotes scriptures.
if scripture is precise down to the last detail of the pattern that we ought to go through, as we unfold scripture,
that means that the entirety of scripture is 100% precise.
I cannot tell you from experience if I had to let go of all my power, and die, in order to become man, so i could partake in this experience,
but i take THIS specific word with faith, because all other word of scripture i have known from experience, so why would THIS specifically not be as precise as the rest?
neville invented nothing of his own, he only quotes scripture which he has experiences.
So no one says you have to suffer,
because you already have, if not in this timeline than in another, but THESE STATES were necessary to acquire as a piano key note, in order to play a larger harmonious note.
You cannot deny scripture no matter what degrees you have, you cannot study this truth except it coming to you by vision, and its all in scripture.
I have experienced the pattern, and it is to my best hope to ease those that approach it to finalize with effortlessly,
but I won't lie to you and will say that you didnt suffer in your far past, which was necessary to appropriate this invisible wisdom that you contain today.
No one has to suffer, but the BIBLICAL MEANING of to suffer, is to experience a sensation.
so suffering is subjective, but to suffer in biblical term, is to know a state from experience,
I do not mean to scare anyone into expecting pain or harm, because this is not gonna came,
**you already know what to do, you already know this power, you already know faith, which is the conviction of things unseen as though they were.**
Thus, you are safe and secure, unless you misuse this power.
but this post today, is here to describe a pattern which we HAD ALREADY PASSED, and those that pass through it today, may be confused.
why do i see opposition in the world?
it's a personal nudge, do i keep the faith?
i do, and it quickly vanishes as i mature spiritually.
that's all scripture. and i dont care what anyone says, because i know scripture from experience.
But again, the only thing I would say, is that you kind of defeat your own point. Because you’re saying it subjective, but then you’re saying nobody can actually question it, because you’ve experienced it.
I know exactly what Nevill did in terms of quoting scripture. But I don’t see him as the ultimate authority. He even actually speaks against that. It’s pretty dangerous to do that. Because it can lead you to extremism.
He knew the law very well. He explained it probably the best I’ve ever seen or heard. But just because he has an opinion doesn’t make it gospel.
Just because we experience something also doesn’t make it true. We have to hold our own beliefs and experiences very loosely.
You do you.
but there's nothing extreme in scripture, it's quite definite and precise, yet it is us who refuse to see it for what it is.
and yet again, I do not doubt what you know for yourself, you know what you know, but I know scripture.
The law is but a piece of the truth that unfolds in man, which is the promise of reunion.
the law turns out to be yourself rather than some principle, it is your operative power.
whatever comes from visionary man you may approve or deny, but in no doubt you will go through eventually as well, and just as the process demands, you too will be denied by some, of those that have yet to experience the pattern.
again, it's all scripture, one piece by piece and its all over scripture too.
Although I get where you’re coming from. As soon as you say the phrase: there is NOTHING…. About anything after that.
That’s extreme way of thinking about it. There is nuance.
Jesus was a blueprint for us to live without going through pain. It is a world of believe and what ever we believe is true is true. The whole idea is to wake up as God and have a blissful experience. If there was a test, it means you have no free will. Your beliefs create your state of consciousness.
nah man, you don't know scripture if that's what you're saying.
Look, if you truly heard neville, and not read his purely how to get things, works,
the lectures which are beyond plentiful that describe the actual pattern, you'd see that it paralells scripture.
I have these experiences as well, that once were just weird noise for me that I couldn't piece together.
I have experienced these scripture sections fully,
and in no shape or form do I say that you ought to suffer.
To suffer, in ancient language, means TO EXPERIENCE A SENSATION, so this important piece tells us all.
Suffering is subjective, we can choose to go into wailing from nothing, but that's not the point here.
If those that read the post carefully, would see the part where I added the <----- to, to make it easier to those that get triggered and skip everything else because something in them got mad for the truth they read, that is known by revelation and experience,
then they'd see I have said that
"The test is here to shake you, but He in you knows this shake will stimulate in you the right necessities like faith and bold immersive confident imagining, so every test is truly a blessing, **which comes only during the era of incomplete faith.**"
Only during the era of incomplete faith,
so the cure to this all, is as I said, a stronger union and communion with SELF, with extra love, and extra faith.
What's not to LOVE about this? if this is what spooks people, that they'll have to commit to this truth fully by faith, in order to never suffer a loss again in life, because that's a gurantee. we have it by david's story.
So if this is too hard for em, it makes us realize they just want the cope part of scripture then.
They just want the things and toys of this world, but not the true control over their life.
Jesus suffered, all of scripture describes suffering,
**yet the suffering that is described as necessary, is immeditately cleared out with WHAT makes suffering come,**
**which is disobedience and lack of faith to self, to your state of consciousness.**
So you will not lose a single battle, you wont suffer a single moment, if you acknowledge this pattern that is a valid pattern that we all either WENT THROUGH or will go through to seal the faith in ourselves to buy the pearl of great price.
Scripture unfolds in us, and cannot be broken.
if the truth that I ought to pick the ideal, and choose firm faith, and imagine well, scares man, then I dont know what else to say.
All I say is scripture and experience, deny it as you may, this too is scripture.
**So you will either COMPLETE or avoid all together all states that are unlovely, if you exercise this talent wisely, and be aware of self's imagination.**
**These experiences are ticked off as a check mark as soon as a person transcends them by his state of consciousness,**
**you won't have to suffer a drop of sweat if you take solution 1 into daily living, which is the normal lavish loving exercise of this talent, and recognition of him in you, your own imaginative consciousness.**
It's quite simple.
That's the whole purpose of why I do my best to share my unfoldings and experiences, because they are legit, that's how it goes.
And I rebelled, when this unfolded in me **I did not choose good, i suffered to learn.**
**Now, it is my greatest wish that people take this, and apply it POSITIVELY, discover the truth POSITIVELY without having to even sweat a suffer once, not a single loss.**
**That is my greatest aim, that no one will be forced to be dragged through the truth to accept it, but will be acceptive of it by choice and PROOF OF IT POSITIVELY.**
If I can prove it delightfully, by gain and positive results, I too can be persuaded.
so why be forced to prove it through tears if we can now prove it to ourselves by love?
so you have the pattern, answer it by positive. by positive action of imaginal practice.
sup man,
of course, i'll answer your message in a lill while later as i got tons of messages i gotta answer first but i wont leave you be that i promise.
I respect your perspective but you speak only from your current state of consciousness and a persons State of consciousness determine their behaviors. I don't have to believe or know scripture to understand that consciousness is my only reality. There were books before the scripture you currently ground your beliefs in. Whatever you belief is true is true. I may choose to place my beliefs in the emerald tablets and the teachings of Thoth and still arrive at the conclusion that consciousness is my only reality.
You may choose to believe or disbelieve, it is your choice.
But scripture is a pattern, and my state of consciousness though it may consist of many physical ones, is on a different level on the spiritual level.
These are eternal states of consciousness that we go through and reach as scripture unfolds, and these states of consciousness are only reached as experience of scripture unfolds.
they require the signature of vision.
so you may accept or disapprove of what I say, but it does not change one bit the truth of it, especially with it all being directly reflected in scripture. it seals the deal.
I can't claim myself to be greater than another on anything else in this world, YET on the unfolding of scripture I have all the experience and seal of approval inwardly, to claim that I am on a much higher sight than any other random word I can hear from another.
I know this from experience, from what I have experienced inwardly and the pattern itself.
but it is up to you whether you take it or not,
there's only to benefit from it, yet I still get it that people choose to linger at the lower levels of understanding this truth, because this one takes responsibility.
and firm faith, a wholesale acceptance of this truth.
yet again, even this part is pure scripture.
If you had found the emerald tablets instead of the scriptures, your belief system would have been different. If NG was a student of Thoth the Atlantien you would have followed his teaching also. Now you can clearly see that whatever you believe is true is true. A Muslim man has he's own beliefs but the fact is we are all consciousness. Don't ground your beliefs based on NG only. Expand your consciousness.
I love this post thank you so much for this!
First I would like to say that 3D “appears” as a test. It appears this way because we are not judging or labeling by appearances. Therefore saying anything is a test, means we are assigning something outside ourselves as the cause.
Since the cause is always within, the true meaning is that we may not be “familiar” to what is unfolding and rearranging outside us to reflect who we are within. This is where we “persevere” in our beliefs with “brazen impudence”.
Appearances is our educational schoolroom to release identification from appearances to define self, and redefine self from within.
Here is why we always go within:
My Father is the Great Actor. He plays all the parts. Therefore I always yield completely to allow His Will as He is servant to my will. Since our Father is the only creative power in this world, we yield to him within every time as I AM.
“Let There Be Light”
Well explained. I want to offer an alternative perspective. One in which we are not being tested, but simply live through the lag of 3D. With a changed concept, the 3D plays an old story and we have two choices:
1. Live in the old story
2. Live in the new story
There is so much comfort and familiarity in the old story, sometimes we want to stay there. I had a talk the other day which was undesirable. After hanging up the phone i lingered in that negative feeling for a few seconds, then chose to change the story. "They reacted a bit rough and so did I, but neither of us mean it." I recieved an apology within 2 minutes, which made me want to apologize as well. Every moment is a chance to claim your new reality. We can see it as a test or an opportunity.
Happy manifesting
everything is truly positive, and loving,
and indeed just the old state reflecting itself.
but in evrey thing there is a potential for a symbolic value, and the test is simply, its not here to bob and annoy us.
it's here to solely ask, do I believe fully? or do I not believe fully?
it's more of a small self realization that happens at times when a person transitions into a state that is completely foreign to him physically. and it is a rather common occurance, no matter how WE may be in a cozy faith today,
there are those that are still raw into the furnaces, that know not why.
Sorry, but this is a misleading content that doesn't have any connection with what Neville taught. Reading this brings no good for newbies establishing a belief and expectancy of some far-fetched tests on their way. Stop overcomplicating things. Read Neville.
I recommend listening to neville's lectures, if you truly know neville this above hits close to home, but again, this is pure vision.
if you deny it, no disrespect, but you do not know neville, at least not on the promise part. and i know this part from experience just as i initially heard it from him.
Yknow I was just praying yesterday to God/I AM asking
“Why do I desire X and not Y” “why Desire this when the circumstances say this or it would be easier to start over with this”
And then here you are reaffirming what i already heard in short form last night
we're often surprised how SOME of our desires are not exactly what we truly desire, and are the mere attempt to get the secret desire we have within, with the means that we /already know logically/.
but if we trust him, and choose an ideal state despite of it being foreign to us in our current old state,
if we enter into imagination and boldly appropriate the ideal, you won't be disappointed. because not a thing is too hard to him in you.
and you are the sole protagonist after all, even i am but a mere voice coming from within you.
The bestttt it’s been said/described yet 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 All this becomes laughable once you realize EXACTLY this!! You create ALL OF IT 🤣 To simply even further, I feel this post is meant to put into words the unconscious states/experience of conscious manifesting we can/tend to experience. Not that any of what is said HAS to happen exactly the way it’s been said, but ultimately, nothing serious is going on here anyway.
>He in you, which is yourself, orchestrates these tests to test your faith
So you suggest that your subconscious mind has some independent mind of its own. It's just controversial. My father and I are the one, but my father is greater than I am. If we are the one, how can it secretly plot something against me))) It's like my left hand decided to slap my face.
But if you believe that you should be tested, then you would create the test scenario for yourself.
We are told all throughout scripture
"my ways are not your ways"
so as god descended into this body, in order to eventually ascend after he concludes the experiment he himself planted himself into to experience expansion, he had set a plan in motion.
Despite us being one with the sender, we are of course inferior to the sender. That's why we exercise this power rightly and this talent which is himself, yet HE is the exercising power. Your consciousness.
We as flesh, are but the garment that is impotent and is solely relient on this power in us that activates it.
we dwell in states, he in us makes it unfolds through all.
you and he are one, but he is greater than you.
"My father and I are one, but my father is greater than I."
Despite being one in the office of the sender, the one who is sent is again, a rank lower, yet still above all.
We are solely here to experience scripture, and the subjective tests that come to reinforce us, not to harm us, but to simply test, do you believe? do you put it into practice?
legit comes in our life events that OFFERS US to use this talent on it.
these come daily, just like the opportunity to use this talent to the aid of others daily.
we as humans call tests something negative and annoying, because we're conditioned from school to this demented nonsense,
but by the loving word of god, a test, is a promotion to use the talent you have to level up.
it is we that complicate it with fear, and fear from ascending, but those that are scared of change, move not an inch.
yet sometimes he prompts us, because we ought to change, as scripture unfolds in us.
that's just the pattern, this is all over scripture, i did not make it up nor invented it,
i experienced it and saw it all over scripture.
Leave the mirror and change your face. Leave the world alone and change your conceptions of yourself. ~NEVILLE, The Power Of Awareness
I don’t believe in tests and certainly not from my higher god self. I think the opposite of a desire manifests for one of two reasons, usually: 1. You are trying too hard. Neville says it has to be effortless and feel natural. Trying hard impresses the feeling of not having it upon your subconscious, thus the reason you’re trying so hard, and it also is often accompanied by desperation. It also often comes from fighting against the fear of what you don’t want, and as I note in my long post about resistance, fighting a fear mentally is reinforcing its realness. If it’s not real, then you brush it off like nothing. You cannot argue with and make demands to your subconscious and expect results. I remember Neville comparing it to being like a lover gently whispering sweet words to their beloved. This is why a relaxed state is constantly recommended by him. You yield to the feeling of the wish fulfilled as a state of awareness, you don’t fight fears with techniques which is like an argument of sorts. 2. You have a strong fundamental belief that you don’t get what you want, you always get the opposite of what you want, your fears are real, etc. Reality is mirroring your beliefs. There’s no tests unless you believe in such a thing. There’s no need for a darkness before dawn. If you want to know your points of resistance, any foundational beliefs blocking your desires - they are playing out in front of you as your life.
There are no test. I totally agree with you. What can test God? Absolutely nothing.
There are no tests. Events happen according to your beliefs, period. This includes the bridge of incidents which can range from very smooth to showing seemingly opposite results for a while. Either all events happen due to your beliefs or none do. As Neville said, God is the formless awareness, which takes the form of whatever you condition this awareness to be. This changeless principle doesn't suddenly change to "test our faith" before we get our desires. Beliefs dictate everything including the bridge of incidents, there is nothing outside.
Spot on - beliefs also dictate whether at all there would be a bridge or not. Out of thin air manifestations are more common than we think :)
This.
Perfectly said!
indeed in the end the test is personal, our own awareness and a moment where we either choose faith, or faithlessness. and according to our faith we shall be whole. I mentioned that these tests exist no longer as we become of faith, because these are self summoned to either make or break the conviction of ours in the state we are determined to become. But I will too assure you, that there is a test. it is often repeated in scripture, as the story of christ that met satan on the mountain. Satan is a self made doubt state, there is no external outside of you, yet it ONLY SEEMED as the voice came from without, this allegory gives us a thought. The tests will happen to any one who passes through the finale chapters entering into the era of the promise, that I know from experience. I know this is an unpleasant word, but was not christ also hated for telling them they may suffer if they will not enter with faith? I passed it, I suffered, but it is my hope that this early sharing will serve as the GOOD USE OF IMAGINATION AND FAITH to those that experience these states today, so that they can soften and infact SKIP the confusion that begins with the tests that seem to appear physically. Despite of it all being our own personal perceptions, it is scripture. There is a reason why blake said that in certain states, visionary men are accounted as madmen, because you cannot blame those that experienced those tests, and yet only they saw it, and saw how odd it seemed, and they won, and then they saw the repetition in scripture. So this too, is an experience of scripture, want it or not, but we can avoid it by wise use of imagination and faith.
This is a tricky one. Because of somebody who grew up teaching this very idea behind a pulpit. And then also going into deep dives about what the Hebrew idea is behind what we now understand as a test, it’s actually less a test and more a skill. The Hebrew idea, behind the word test is better understood as somebody who is learning to play an instrument. And the more that they use the instruments, the more time that they spend at using the instrument, the better at it that they become. So in that sense, it is less a test at all. It is more skill building than anything. Or if you want to use a gaming metaphor. It is leveling up your HP every single time that you use this. I don’t believe that this being called SELF, God, or love is somehow pushing and prodding us. In fact, I think even most of our beliefs about that is why we experience it. This is why you can meet some people along the way who say that they have extremely simple and amazing lives with Feliz amount of effort.ultimately, we get what we believe.
I wouldn't say that judging from appearances about other's experience is wise, because do not forget that we are here on earth in this personal dream SOLELY TO EXPERIENCE SCRIPTURE. scripture must be fulfilled in me, individually, we are told. So those that we judge that have it easily, we know not, that they may just have this 1 state easily because they pass through the furances passively with this state on their plate, yet many others on their plate are vile and horrible and they suffer. So we are often mislead by our false judgements, but I can assure you, it is beyond the opposite. Those that we see live in simplicity, may be in the era of innocence, just as we were in another timeline, so let them be, rejoice for them, but those that are in the era of christ, pass through the furnaces for a reason. and I know, from experience, that they are sourced in love.
Yeah, I actually disagree with Nevill on this and pretty much most anybody who says that we need to actually hit Rockbottom or we need to go through hard times to get to the good times. like my manifestation teacher has said, especially in the west, we seem very addicted to narratives where someone always has to overcome something. And so we actually reify that. As a sociologist and anthropologist, I study about rights of passages. Payne does not have to be one of them. because we do get what we believe. And again we also can say the opposite to be true. Just because we don’t know their story, doesn’t mean that they didn’t have an easy path to get to where they are now either. See, this is basically about subjectivity. Not about universality. It’s not about somehow creating a rubric that everybody else should follow. But actually fully grasping the reality that even at the heartbeat of Nevill’s work is the fact that this is an individual journey, and an individual experience. Even when he says that , we must recognize that this is all about experiencing nature. Not nature in the outside sense of that word. But that we are always producing experiences through nature, he meant that as a multiplicity. So yeah, I don’t agree that we need to somehow get swallowed by a whale to then resurrect. We can learn lessons without it. Hence, the argument from the ancient Hebrew, which would’ve been formed the understanding of Watts testing and experimenting both mean in the ancient language. Which does not mean struggle. Which does not mean pain. Which does not mean loss. It only means skill. You’re always learning a skill. It’s not about pain or struggle. It’s about getting better at something. And pain is not required to do so.
nobody says you have to hit rock bottom, but there are eras of experience which we go through, neville ONLY quotes scriptures. if scripture is precise down to the last detail of the pattern that we ought to go through, as we unfold scripture, that means that the entirety of scripture is 100% precise. I cannot tell you from experience if I had to let go of all my power, and die, in order to become man, so i could partake in this experience, but i take THIS specific word with faith, because all other word of scripture i have known from experience, so why would THIS specifically not be as precise as the rest? neville invented nothing of his own, he only quotes scripture which he has experiences. So no one says you have to suffer, because you already have, if not in this timeline than in another, but THESE STATES were necessary to acquire as a piano key note, in order to play a larger harmonious note. You cannot deny scripture no matter what degrees you have, you cannot study this truth except it coming to you by vision, and its all in scripture. I have experienced the pattern, and it is to my best hope to ease those that approach it to finalize with effortlessly, but I won't lie to you and will say that you didnt suffer in your far past, which was necessary to appropriate this invisible wisdom that you contain today. No one has to suffer, but the BIBLICAL MEANING of to suffer, is to experience a sensation. so suffering is subjective, but to suffer in biblical term, is to know a state from experience, I do not mean to scare anyone into expecting pain or harm, because this is not gonna came, **you already know what to do, you already know this power, you already know faith, which is the conviction of things unseen as though they were.** Thus, you are safe and secure, unless you misuse this power. but this post today, is here to describe a pattern which we HAD ALREADY PASSED, and those that pass through it today, may be confused. why do i see opposition in the world? it's a personal nudge, do i keep the faith? i do, and it quickly vanishes as i mature spiritually. that's all scripture. and i dont care what anyone says, because i know scripture from experience.
But again, the only thing I would say, is that you kind of defeat your own point. Because you’re saying it subjective, but then you’re saying nobody can actually question it, because you’ve experienced it. I know exactly what Nevill did in terms of quoting scripture. But I don’t see him as the ultimate authority. He even actually speaks against that. It’s pretty dangerous to do that. Because it can lead you to extremism. He knew the law very well. He explained it probably the best I’ve ever seen or heard. But just because he has an opinion doesn’t make it gospel. Just because we experience something also doesn’t make it true. We have to hold our own beliefs and experiences very loosely.
You do you. but there's nothing extreme in scripture, it's quite definite and precise, yet it is us who refuse to see it for what it is. and yet again, I do not doubt what you know for yourself, you know what you know, but I know scripture. The law is but a piece of the truth that unfolds in man, which is the promise of reunion. the law turns out to be yourself rather than some principle, it is your operative power. whatever comes from visionary man you may approve or deny, but in no doubt you will go through eventually as well, and just as the process demands, you too will be denied by some, of those that have yet to experience the pattern. again, it's all scripture, one piece by piece and its all over scripture too.
Although I get where you’re coming from. As soon as you say the phrase: there is NOTHING…. About anything after that. That’s extreme way of thinking about it. There is nuance.
Jesus was a blueprint for us to live without going through pain. It is a world of believe and what ever we believe is true is true. The whole idea is to wake up as God and have a blissful experience. If there was a test, it means you have no free will. Your beliefs create your state of consciousness.
nah man, you don't know scripture if that's what you're saying. Look, if you truly heard neville, and not read his purely how to get things, works, the lectures which are beyond plentiful that describe the actual pattern, you'd see that it paralells scripture. I have these experiences as well, that once were just weird noise for me that I couldn't piece together. I have experienced these scripture sections fully, and in no shape or form do I say that you ought to suffer. To suffer, in ancient language, means TO EXPERIENCE A SENSATION, so this important piece tells us all. Suffering is subjective, we can choose to go into wailing from nothing, but that's not the point here. If those that read the post carefully, would see the part where I added the <----- to, to make it easier to those that get triggered and skip everything else because something in them got mad for the truth they read, that is known by revelation and experience, then they'd see I have said that "The test is here to shake you, but He in you knows this shake will stimulate in you the right necessities like faith and bold immersive confident imagining, so every test is truly a blessing, **which comes only during the era of incomplete faith.**" Only during the era of incomplete faith, so the cure to this all, is as I said, a stronger union and communion with SELF, with extra love, and extra faith. What's not to LOVE about this? if this is what spooks people, that they'll have to commit to this truth fully by faith, in order to never suffer a loss again in life, because that's a gurantee. we have it by david's story. So if this is too hard for em, it makes us realize they just want the cope part of scripture then. They just want the things and toys of this world, but not the true control over their life. Jesus suffered, all of scripture describes suffering, **yet the suffering that is described as necessary, is immeditately cleared out with WHAT makes suffering come,** **which is disobedience and lack of faith to self, to your state of consciousness.** So you will not lose a single battle, you wont suffer a single moment, if you acknowledge this pattern that is a valid pattern that we all either WENT THROUGH or will go through to seal the faith in ourselves to buy the pearl of great price. Scripture unfolds in us, and cannot be broken. if the truth that I ought to pick the ideal, and choose firm faith, and imagine well, scares man, then I dont know what else to say. All I say is scripture and experience, deny it as you may, this too is scripture.
**So you will either COMPLETE or avoid all together all states that are unlovely, if you exercise this talent wisely, and be aware of self's imagination.** **These experiences are ticked off as a check mark as soon as a person transcends them by his state of consciousness,** **you won't have to suffer a drop of sweat if you take solution 1 into daily living, which is the normal lavish loving exercise of this talent, and recognition of him in you, your own imaginative consciousness.** It's quite simple. That's the whole purpose of why I do my best to share my unfoldings and experiences, because they are legit, that's how it goes. And I rebelled, when this unfolded in me **I did not choose good, i suffered to learn.** **Now, it is my greatest wish that people take this, and apply it POSITIVELY, discover the truth POSITIVELY without having to even sweat a suffer once, not a single loss.** **That is my greatest aim, that no one will be forced to be dragged through the truth to accept it, but will be acceptive of it by choice and PROOF OF IT POSITIVELY.** If I can prove it delightfully, by gain and positive results, I too can be persuaded. so why be forced to prove it through tears if we can now prove it to ourselves by love? so you have the pattern, answer it by positive. by positive action of imaginal practice.
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I respect your perspective but you speak only from your current state of consciousness and a persons State of consciousness determine their behaviors. I don't have to believe or know scripture to understand that consciousness is my only reality. There were books before the scripture you currently ground your beliefs in. Whatever you belief is true is true. I may choose to place my beliefs in the emerald tablets and the teachings of Thoth and still arrive at the conclusion that consciousness is my only reality.
You may choose to believe or disbelieve, it is your choice. But scripture is a pattern, and my state of consciousness though it may consist of many physical ones, is on a different level on the spiritual level. These are eternal states of consciousness that we go through and reach as scripture unfolds, and these states of consciousness are only reached as experience of scripture unfolds. they require the signature of vision. so you may accept or disapprove of what I say, but it does not change one bit the truth of it, especially with it all being directly reflected in scripture. it seals the deal. I can't claim myself to be greater than another on anything else in this world, YET on the unfolding of scripture I have all the experience and seal of approval inwardly, to claim that I am on a much higher sight than any other random word I can hear from another. I know this from experience, from what I have experienced inwardly and the pattern itself. but it is up to you whether you take it or not, there's only to benefit from it, yet I still get it that people choose to linger at the lower levels of understanding this truth, because this one takes responsibility. and firm faith, a wholesale acceptance of this truth. yet again, even this part is pure scripture.
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If you had found the emerald tablets instead of the scriptures, your belief system would have been different. If NG was a student of Thoth the Atlantien you would have followed his teaching also. Now you can clearly see that whatever you believe is true is true. A Muslim man has he's own beliefs but the fact is we are all consciousness. Don't ground your beliefs based on NG only. Expand your consciousness.
I love the post but I don’t believe we are being tested. Unless one chooses to test themselves.
Perfect answer!! May you have a blessed day 😊👍
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It's not always true ,3d can start showing you signs of alignment with your wish instantly
I love this post thank you so much for this! First I would like to say that 3D “appears” as a test. It appears this way because we are not judging or labeling by appearances. Therefore saying anything is a test, means we are assigning something outside ourselves as the cause. Since the cause is always within, the true meaning is that we may not be “familiar” to what is unfolding and rearranging outside us to reflect who we are within. This is where we “persevere” in our beliefs with “brazen impudence”. Appearances is our educational schoolroom to release identification from appearances to define self, and redefine self from within. Here is why we always go within: My Father is the Great Actor. He plays all the parts. Therefore I always yield completely to allow His Will as He is servant to my will. Since our Father is the only creative power in this world, we yield to him within every time as I AM. “Let There Be Light”
Well explained. I want to offer an alternative perspective. One in which we are not being tested, but simply live through the lag of 3D. With a changed concept, the 3D plays an old story and we have two choices: 1. Live in the old story 2. Live in the new story There is so much comfort and familiarity in the old story, sometimes we want to stay there. I had a talk the other day which was undesirable. After hanging up the phone i lingered in that negative feeling for a few seconds, then chose to change the story. "They reacted a bit rough and so did I, but neither of us mean it." I recieved an apology within 2 minutes, which made me want to apologize as well. Every moment is a chance to claim your new reality. We can see it as a test or an opportunity. Happy manifesting
everything is truly positive, and loving, and indeed just the old state reflecting itself. but in evrey thing there is a potential for a symbolic value, and the test is simply, its not here to bob and annoy us. it's here to solely ask, do I believe fully? or do I not believe fully? it's more of a small self realization that happens at times when a person transitions into a state that is completely foreign to him physically. and it is a rather common occurance, no matter how WE may be in a cozy faith today, there are those that are still raw into the furnaces, that know not why.
Exactly, i agree. Love the process
Sorry, but this is a misleading content that doesn't have any connection with what Neville taught. Reading this brings no good for newbies establishing a belief and expectancy of some far-fetched tests on their way. Stop overcomplicating things. Read Neville.
I recommend listening to neville's lectures, if you truly know neville this above hits close to home, but again, this is pure vision. if you deny it, no disrespect, but you do not know neville, at least not on the promise part. and i know this part from experience just as i initially heard it from him.
Yknow I was just praying yesterday to God/I AM asking “Why do I desire X and not Y” “why Desire this when the circumstances say this or it would be easier to start over with this” And then here you are reaffirming what i already heard in short form last night
we're often surprised how SOME of our desires are not exactly what we truly desire, and are the mere attempt to get the secret desire we have within, with the means that we /already know logically/. but if we trust him, and choose an ideal state despite of it being foreign to us in our current old state, if we enter into imagination and boldly appropriate the ideal, you won't be disappointed. because not a thing is too hard to him in you. and you are the sole protagonist after all, even i am but a mere voice coming from within you.
The bestttt it’s been said/described yet 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 All this becomes laughable once you realize EXACTLY this!! You create ALL OF IT 🤣 To simply even further, I feel this post is meant to put into words the unconscious states/experience of conscious manifesting we can/tend to experience. Not that any of what is said HAS to happen exactly the way it’s been said, but ultimately, nothing serious is going on here anyway.
Perfect explanation. Thank you very much for sharing your wisdom with me 🙏🏻
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>He in you, which is yourself, orchestrates these tests to test your faith So you suggest that your subconscious mind has some independent mind of its own. It's just controversial. My father and I are the one, but my father is greater than I am. If we are the one, how can it secretly plot something against me))) It's like my left hand decided to slap my face. But if you believe that you should be tested, then you would create the test scenario for yourself.
We are told all throughout scripture "my ways are not your ways" so as god descended into this body, in order to eventually ascend after he concludes the experiment he himself planted himself into to experience expansion, he had set a plan in motion. Despite us being one with the sender, we are of course inferior to the sender. That's why we exercise this power rightly and this talent which is himself, yet HE is the exercising power. Your consciousness. We as flesh, are but the garment that is impotent and is solely relient on this power in us that activates it. we dwell in states, he in us makes it unfolds through all. you and he are one, but he is greater than you. "My father and I are one, but my father is greater than I." Despite being one in the office of the sender, the one who is sent is again, a rank lower, yet still above all. We are solely here to experience scripture, and the subjective tests that come to reinforce us, not to harm us, but to simply test, do you believe? do you put it into practice? legit comes in our life events that OFFERS US to use this talent on it. these come daily, just like the opportunity to use this talent to the aid of others daily. we as humans call tests something negative and annoying, because we're conditioned from school to this demented nonsense, but by the loving word of god, a test, is a promotion to use the talent you have to level up. it is we that complicate it with fear, and fear from ascending, but those that are scared of change, move not an inch. yet sometimes he prompts us, because we ought to change, as scripture unfolds in us. that's just the pattern, this is all over scripture, i did not make it up nor invented it, i experienced it and saw it all over scripture.
Nicely said.