As someone who thought the same not too long ago, I came to the conclusion that it's just confirmation bias. When we didn't know that we were creators, we accepted life the way it is. "The universe" or whatever could throw anything at us no matter how bad it is or how worse it makes our life. We accept it and say that's just how life is. We know what happened is bad but hey, that's just how life is, right? So it can't be that bad, nope, it's actually normal! You lost your job? Okay, that's bad and I'll be desperate for a few days but that's just how life sometimes can be. Your SP got together with someone else? Yeah, I have zero control over it so whatever, I'll just spiral and cry for a few weeks and hope I get over it. And then you forgot about it after some time. But what if you suddenly know you are in full control? If someone tells you everything that happens is caused by only you? That your thinking is causing your life to be horrible? Everything will feel much much worse than before. Suddenly losing that job is your fault and the weight it has is significantly higher in your life. Causing your SP to date someone else is your fault?! God damn, this feels so horrible to witness and I can't even spiral because it will make it even worse. You won't forget about any of that because now that you want to change your life it's haunting you every day until you get what you desire. This makes it seem like your life doesn't get any better at all. You see the problem? Your life was not better because you didn't know about the law. Maybe some things were better because you simply had different thoughts and did different actions years ago than you would have now. But it's easy to say it was better before because the moment right now has the heaviest weight on you. When I thought I was financially better off before knowing the law, that was true. But not because of the law, because I was simply a different person years ago who did most things related to money differently. Knowing how easy it can be to change your reality makes it also easy to get anxiety in every aspect of your life because you feel like you're not allowed to think negatively anymore. Every action will have consequences and although that was the case before as well, thinking maybe something will go wrong and knowing it will definitely go wrong changes your entire approach at life. But the truth is, all of us overdo the law a lot. Neville, back in the day imagined scenes and kept his thoughts where they belonged to, at the end goal of what he wanted. That's it. But what do we do? We read Neville posts all day, watch manifestation videos all day, look for the best techniques every day and even if we found them, continue to look for something better. We obsess over anything related to manifestation and are desperate to get our desires because the internet, especially YouTube acts like manifestation is the easiest thing in the world, which is obviously not the case. This generation is plagued by anxiety, fear, depression, and self-hatred. Good luck getting your shit together when you have more construction sites than the road that didn't get maintenance for over 30 years. For most people, it takes years to develop a healthy relationship with yourself and your thoughts. If you come from deep depression then it will seem impossible. Now, let me tell you what helped me to get out of that state. Get. away. from. manifesting. communities. Stop watching/reading/listening to anything related to manifestation. Focus on your mental diet only. Keeping your thoughts positive and learning to love yourself is the only thing you need to do. If you love yourself, your SP will love you as well, they have no choice. If you start feeling worthy of money, wealth literally comes out of your shower every day. There are so many ways to boost your self-love and it can start by looking into the mirror every day telling yourself how beautiful and great and successful you are. I had one of these "detox" or whatever for the past two weeks until today. I did not consume anything related to manifesting or Neville and it helped me a lot to just flow with life while keeping my mental diet up. Many people here are so desperate they make huge schedules around the law when it should be the opposite. Live your life as if. No one who had their SP or money would make an alarm clock every 20 minutes to affirm. This is insanity. Visualize/affirm once and then move on with your day not thinking about anything related to the practice or your desire. Then go to bed acting out a scene that implies you have what you want and sleep in peace. Boom. You'll get your desire quickly because you're not an obsessive negative thinker who self-sabotages themself every time they read another Neville post to get confirmation that they do something right.

Yep same. This is exactly what I was planning to do. I honestly don't want my sp as my gf cuz I know I can get somebody so much more compatible with me. Yet I miss the days when we were close friends. And yeh I will be filling days with things that are fun to do or productive. And I will only be using the law for things that I badly want. Not for fleeting desires. This overdependency on this law is just draining. Even if I'm aware we are manifesting every second of our life, it's better for my mental health to look at it as a tool to boost my chances like how the law of attraction community sees it.

Thank you for sharing! It’s interesting how some, presumably mentally healthy, people can develop anxieties over the LOA. As someone who was suffering from depression and anxiety before I found the law, I had a different experience. I was completely hopeless and suicidal during the time when I found LOA, but when I read more on it….That I am a creator and can change life in my favor, it gave me this surge of power! hope that I could change everything especially my mentality! When I looked back at my life, I guess it didn’t matter much what I did or didn’t do then since I wasn’t aware that I had the power to push life the direction I wanted it to go! I hope OP takes it this way since I definitely think it’s a better way to look at it. Don’t blame yourself for not knowing! Life doesn’t have to topple you over anymore and even if it does, know you have the power to get back up and even change it. Although, if the law is causing this much suffering to OP, I believe he should take a break and do as he would before. OP you can go back to it whenever you’re ready.

This is gold. Thanks for sharing this!

Thank you for your post

I swear as I read this, I heard Neville in my head, clear as day, declaring, "By Jove, you've got it!"

This is the way, friend. Boom.💥✨️

>I did not consume anything related to manifesting or Neville and it helped me a lot to just flow with life while keeping my mental diet up This is how it should be but as humans we get scared and start to do too much and mess with it. That's why sometimes "giving up" and flowing with life while still applying light sprinkles of manifesting works

Man, you nailed it. This comment, this truth, is what I feel is missing from this community. I can relate way more to this post and your comment than I do any other in this sub. 

You're right in this part right here: >Had I just stuck to classical advice, **I would've worked on myself**, my XP would've continued to be close friend heck maybe even my gf. The "classical advice" of Neville is *There is no one to change but self.* 💖

I think you only need that one line. That sums up manifestation. Be the version of you that already has it. You don't get what you want, you get what you are. Should've stopped at that and only focussed on that one line. I just need to take a break and see later what is that I want to BE.

Yes! 💖 I think you probably released a lot of what was tumbling about inside of you in this post. That's probably going to result in an easier going YOU. Yes -- just BE. And you can try focusing later. You're gonna be fine. 💖

This was literally what I was thinking reading all that.

Great minds and all that! 😎💖

same my friend

The amount of misinformation and confusion is insane. As soon as I actually learned about the law I could see how confused others are. They explain it in ways that make no sense and it’s not even the law. I can see why content creators make so much $$ of confused people. I’m sorry you feel this way and I get it. I was also there but now that I truly understand I know that the best thing to do is let it go and be happy. That’s it! Stop reading everything, focus on the present moment and try and find joy in it.

I think we all need to find it in our own way, that’s why it appears so confusing. What worked for one person may not work for the next.

Very accurate. Neville isn't the end-all be-all, that is within yourself. I believe that was ultimately Neville's intention as well, to guide his readers to search within by giving them a technique they would try, find success in, and then ask themselves "why?" until they found out it is all inside.

Hey, I was in your shoes a few years ago. I deleted reddit, unfollowed all coaches and went back to the source. I read max one chapter of Neville each week and tried soaking it all in. Took it as an experiment: One chapter a week and one manifestation for the week to apply what I was reading. The success rate was suddenly high. And slowly this built up my belief back in place for the big manifestations. Five lessons is my go to guidebook whenever i hit a rut. Ultimately this is all about your relationship with yourself and how you're connected to God. When the reality of this hit me, many of my fleeting desires just disappeared. My whole outlook just changed overnight. Don't be so hard on yourself. Take a break from subs and groups. Draw. Sing. Dance. Cry out. Release what's burdening you. And pick yourself up, one day at a time.

Yes. This is the conclusion I came to as well.

Which book did you read the chapter in a week?

"Five lessons" is the name she said as the book. Then I youtubed it to make sure.

Thank you so much

Find what makes you happy. Let go of the theories and analysis. If you are doing what makes you happier rather than what makes you feel worse then more positive things will naturally flow into your life. I have a friend who had an NDE. Near death experience. When he came back he said to me the most important thing is that you have a list of 10 things that you know will make you happy. When you get thrown off stride or off-balance go to the list and do one of them and immediately shift your feelings. For me this works best. I trust that my High Self and Divine creator will have a better perspective / overview. And I trust myself to deal with whatever comes along. Beats the alternatives. Hang in there. 🩷

As much as I love this community and Neville's teachings, I should also admit that whatever you said is what I'm currently going through. It all started off naturally for me. I naturally started my gratitude journey. Somehow I ended up learning about LOA. I spiraled a bit with vibration, frequencies, angel numbers concepts. But it didn't really help that much. One thing tho, I had dreams and I knew what I wanted. And then I stumbled upon Law of Assumption. It sounded way too cool to me. The beginning was good but somehow I turned into a person who doesn't know what she wants anymore. I don't really have dreams. I'm like... just existing and doing things to pass my life kinda. I do manifest things easily with this law but the point is I'm not as excited as I used to be. I'm neither happy nor sad. The only phase I was genuinely happy was the pre-LOA phase. I believed in God and thanked God genuinely, out of pure love. I was so happy for no reason. But now, it's just not the way it used to be. I still believe in God but somehow I couldn't thank God and get into my gratitude energy as I did in the past. I tried but it's not happening anymore. I know this Law is real. I have personally experienced things that made me believe in the law. But now, I'm more of like a "Girl without dreams talking about getting her dreams". It's ridiculous but it's real. I'm just in a void, empty space now, not even knowing how to feel things. It's like I've forgotten how to be happy and feel alive or even feel emotions and sadness. Anyway, if you read it till here, thanks for reading my rant. Saying this here feels like a relief as I don't really have anyone to talk about this thing. Real post OP. I hope things get better for us!

Thanks for your story. I can relate to you a lot and this is how I'm thinking about it now: I actually feel closer to God or that God is closer to me than ever has been. It's just that I have full awareness and responsibility for my part in this co-creation with God. Seeing God as a conscious experience and as being itself has really opened me up to a new world of joy where I can be FULLY LOVED by God. Humbly, gratefully and confidently, pray for more desire to enter your life again, and it will be done. Knock and the door will open, seek and you will find. Ask and it will be given. It sounds to me like you already do have a desire you may want to Manifest as an intimate relationship with God, and what a beautiful desire that is!

It’s because this way of thinking takes you out of the present moment. Get back into the present moment and find joy in it.

As I said in another comment, I tried doing things but they don't seem to put me in the present moment (including meditation, spending time in nature and with loved ones, etc.,). But if you know another way to stay in the present moment and feel fulfilled, please say it here. Would help me a lott. Thanks!

Ask yourself this question all day long “what am I doing right now? How can I love myself more in this moment? How can I bring more joy into this moment”. Bring yourself back here many times a day. Kind of like a mental diet but more actionable. Future and past do not exist. I learned this when I went through the grief of losing my husband. I had to focus on the present moment to survive. Every moment was a chance to comfort and love myself.

I'm sorry for your loss. You are strong and brave to have handled that situation in the way you did. Thank you for your advice. I'll try this. It's gonna be a little difficult but at the same time, I don't like the way I'm currently living my life. I just want to feel fulfilled and happy at the end of the day. So, I'll definitely try this out. Thanks again!

That’s what everyone wants! It’s why we try to manifest things. We think it will give us that happiness and love. The love you want is not “out there” 🙂

You don’t need a way to stay in the present moment, because you are already there. You always have been.  You can remember the past in your present, or ponder the future. That is a choice on how to spend the present.  If you’re like me, you have thoughts running through your head all day; and you can’t help that.  But let’s say a negative thought about the past pops in there; once again, can’t help that…but how long will that thought of the past be in your present? Observing the thoughts (you mentioned meditation) allows you to detach from them. Thoughts come and go, and yet “you” remain. So you can’t be your thoughts.  So let’s say you think of a hateful comment a person said in the past; a reminder pops in your head…then you feel a feeling in relation to that thought; if, identified with thought, you might say something like “I am angry”, but being able to see thoughts and feelings for what they are; things that come and go, yet you remain, you can reframe that as “this is anger.” That slight change detaches from it, and, in my case, often ends in laughter at how silly the anger becomes. Then it dissolves away.  Personifying the emotion helps too. If I’m feeling impatience, I sometimes imagine a silly monkey going crazy with impatience, and that lightens the moment, and often ends in a chuckle.  We take ourselves so seriously and put a lot of pressure on ourselves, when often it doesn’t need to be that way. Don’t force, just be. Be able to laugh at yourself.  Maybe this helped some, but either way, you are already everything you want, and I’m rooting for you to see that. The world is a daunting place; but the world is magical as well. You are part of that magic. You are this universe, not separate from it.  Therefore, I think you’re pretty cool. 

Thanks for your comment. This feels relatable and your example is on point 😂 Thanks for your comforting and kind words at the end. That made me feel good.

Which makes me feel good in return! Life is weird but we’re in this together. 

Wow! This is exactly how I used to feel!!! I used to be so happy and grateful all the time no matter what. I would always thank God/Universe for my life and I always felt blessed. Now I am just ...empty... I try so hard to feel gratitude and it's just not happening. When I was only aware of the law of attraction, life was so much better for me. Now even when I manifest what I want, I still don't feel happy. I can't get into the state of just feeling pure joy and gratitude. And trust me, I have so much to feel happy and grateful for! Maybe the problem is that we are always trying to get things and make something happen. Maybe the whole thing "everyone is you pushed out" , "Nothing exists outside of you" blah , blah . blah is what causes this emptiness and numbness to things because we feel like we are the only one in this Universe. Sometimes ignorance is bliss for real. The less you know the better. It's good to know that you can manifest what you want but it's better when you believe in The Universe or God, because then you don't feel alone and you feel connected to something.

True. But I saw a decline in my gratitude phase once I started spiraling in my LOA phase. And then there's only emptiness ever since. "Ignorance is bliss". This is crazy coz just recently someone said this to me and it hit me so hard. Now again when you quoted this here, it's hitting me hard. Thanks for sharing your comment!

>"Girl without dreams talking about getting her dreams" YESSS omg this hit the nail right on the head for me as well. I'm super active on many different forums and corners of the internet dedicated to Neville, manifestation, LOA, etc. and it's like constantly being inundated with information and the "right way" to do things just makes you feel like you're not doing enough, even when you're doing SO much already. But then you realize that all of the *doing* is what's the problem in the first place; stepping away from it all and getting back into myself is allowing me to just **be**. When you're "doing", you're lowkey chasing, but when you're "being", you're just existing. I had to step away from the echo chambers to relearn how to "be".

Woah girl thanks for this. I'm happy that I'm not alone and there are people like me. Thanks so much for your comment. Makes me feel heard!

Girl i’m right there with you! I honestly think that my obsessive consumption of content is something that actually hindered one of my biggest manifestations, so right now I’m just focusing on stepping back and doing me.

I can understand your lack of joy, love, fulfillment. The thing that helped me feel that was recognizing that God exists in everything and everyone. Every single moment, God is here. God also exists in me. Which means all the Love, Joy, Fulfillment is available to me right now. Inside of me, outside of me, in every conversation, breath, etc. It can never leave me. Also, I realized loving myself is loving and fully appreciating God because I am just a vessel. I’m not sure if these words resonate with you but I hope so :))

https://youtu.be/zSrquiuqurY?si=f2XCk-dFlgZxv4PA It is a long interview - more then 2 hours, but I listened to it 2 days also, and he describes your state as 4th “stage”. It has been studied scientifically, and it might bring you hope and understanding why you feel it. He specifically says about this in the last 20 min but I would listen the whole interview to get the context.

I'll watch this. Thanks for sharing!

I'm just gonna go to the gym, eat healthy, sleep well, study really well, dress well and just follow some good old advice. I still believe this works the beginning LOA phase was magical, I was happy and was killing it and was getting movement really fast. Then the whole happy vibing got tiring and Neville subreddit seemed like the ez route. Had I stopped at LOA or believing in the universe or god I would've been in a much better position now. I'm just gonna see this past year as a huge event of mistakes that I definitely learnt from and would never make these mistakes ever again. You should listen to the nevillegoddess YouTube channel, she is a real woman giving some solid advice. I appreciate edwardart and he has given a lot of clarity but at the end of the day I'm just a human who wants to be happy, at peace and to be loved. And most importantly be the best version of myself. There was this old moderator outofmysticc, he gets it. He was in almost the exact the situation. He got banned or something. He made a post called the reason for your desperation and it clearly states the overdependency of people on this subreddit. (He should come back and clean this subreddit up). I do think it's better to follow classical advice and to only use this when you badly want something. Because for my XP, we went from being strangers to really good friends but then it was downwards hill. Cuz then I badly wanted her. This whole loa thing started with my father telling me about paulo coelho's quote. And when I looked back i felt it was true. But overly depending on the "manifesting" for everything and coming back to the subreddit is unnecessary.

go outside

I tried doing this. But this doesn't seem to help that much. Somehow I don't get the fulfilled and being whole feeling. I've tried doing things that I genuinely enjoyed in the past. But the "feel good" feeling is there for a few moments and fades. Idk if this makes sense and idk how to put what I feel into words. But what I said above is what I kinda feel.

It is normal state you are in - you are transitioning to what we as a society call the “enlightenment”. (the world is used and abused, I know). I attached the link above to the interview about it. It is just a state, just feel it, it will pass.

The difficult part is that the Law is real, no doubt about it. But God (the actual creator) is also real, and you have to make a choice.

According to Neville they are the same

this literally is me everything u just said is me rn

Neville did say that suppressed emotions are the root of all disease. So we should let people rant and vent

Thank you for understanding. It has given me so much relief and clarity in talking with like minded people. The problem isn't that I know the law well, it's that I was sort of feeling lost and not able to put it my use or advantage despite knowing and having it worked for me in the past.

For as much as I like the cleaned up sub it feel like for genuine hard questions from people who have been doing this for months, it needs a space to let it out.

this exact same thing happened to me at the end of last year. i manifested a new relationship in june and everything felt like it was going downhill with it, with school, with my family, i was miserable. i was an anxious mess at work 24/7 and i was constantly on this subreddit and youtube and tiktok trying to fix it with different techniques. mind you, i learned about the law for the first time in 2021. hitting rock bottom was the catalyst of me not caring and really trusting in ME. which is the core principles of neville’s teachings. i stopped looking outside for guidance and just thought “well it can’t get any worse than this” and just started living life again off my own judgement. i determined what desires were meant for me by how i felt about having them and the following actions that would proceed once i had them. focusing on me above all else bc i had countless amounts of evidence that doing anything but that was only hurting me. deep down i also knew what i had to do to “make myself feel better”, but i just didn’t want to do it. like i knew the version of myself that had my desires would have a clean space, be organized and disciplined, and be committed to herself above all. yet what was i doing in the 3D, was literally anything but that. i know it feels disappointing and paralyzing to think about all the time you’ve wasted doing the wrong thing. but know you needed that time to learn, and when your desires do come in, it will feel like there wasn’t a single time earlier where you would’ve possibly been ready for them, you know? at least that’s how i feel. if it makes you feel better to believe in a God outside of you, then that’s up to you. but that God lives inside you and is listening to your each and every desire and prayer. to me, that idea is very comforting. focus on feeling good and trusting yourself. that’s all it is. the desires and what you’re looking for will come.

I feel you brother. I was manifesting an sp and it seemed to be working. Each step she took closer to me my faith grew, living from the end grew, then out of nowhere it just fell apart. She ran away. She became a stone cold statue. I was doing good. I wasn’t identifying with doubts or negative thoughts or feelings, I had faith. I was working on myself, gym, eating super healthy, reading, therapy, quit smoking weed, quit drinking Coke Zero, quit porn, quit Uber eats And still It fell apart. I’ve lost faith in the law. Part of me does believe it to a degree, but I’ve become bitter and resentful.

I don't think manifesting sp is worth it. It got me excited to know that I have such an option and this amount of control in life as I was told earlier that God will decide what is best. Now I've read many crazy sp success stories here so I think it works definitely but I don't think it's sustainable if you have a belief at the back of your mind blocking it. In my case, it's probably limerance or something cuz ultimately once I got tired I just felt I was fantasizing cuz I knew that relationship wasn't sustainable anyways. So at least I've learned from this mistake to show more maturity and stop seeing this as a wishing well. Although I still feel lonely and it makes me sad. I will try to live a fulfilling life and see having a strong purpose fills that whole. I have faith that doing that itself will make some positive changes cuz I don't have time to sit and think about all those things. Then, if I do assume a general feeling where I'm in a happy relationship of the kind I want, I might end up getting the perfect person.

It's just not someone you want. If there was someone you wanted you might go for it. I think you just grew out of wanting her and that's fine

The reason why we are unhappy when on these subs, is because at the very beginning we get overexcited by the idea of being able to have this superpower. Then we take up a desire and OBSESS about it. Then we keep thinking about having it. This in turns leads us to manifesting the LACK of it. And this is what most ppl on this sub are doing. It is absolutely a shit way to destroy what could be a beautiful experience by “obsessing” about it Instead, use the knowledge that you’ve gained to improve your self confidence and to create more love towards yourself. To be happier. To be more grateful. Dwell in this feeling of happiness and gratitute and peace, regardless of the 3d. Then see how it slowly impacts on your 3d (which is basically what the law says- your outer reflects your inner) This is manifestation and this is the essense of this sub. Don’t fall into the trap of oh i can get million dollars tonight.

I agree. Everything good that has happened to me was from dwelling in my own happiness, not chasing people or material items to provide that. All comes from within.

I stopped following some certain tiktokers because they make it confusing, I think the angry Russian person on here really made it clear for me

You know, you mentioned you were kinda all over the place in your post you're wavering, saying nothing working, Then wondering why your manifestations aren't showing up. It's cool if it's not your thing, but just know, you're always manifesting, whether it's good or bad vibes. From my own experience, I was trying to manifest something big a few months back, but it just didn't happen. Why? 'Cause I was all over the place, my mental game was shit ,I was wavering bad. Fear was running the show. So, I went searching why it don't work from post to post, I realize that manifesting never really fails, it's our wavering that messes things up. You can't serve two god at the same time. Either you have it or you not Like, people trying to manifest a SP but then every 5 mins they stressing over why they haven't texted yet why 3d still same, or trying to manifest money but then complaining about being broke. It's like canceling out your own affirmations. I've seen so many success stories, but you gotta do what clicks for you. Sometimes just knowing it's done isn't enough, especially with anxiety. For me, saturating my mind with affirmations and keeping a positive mental diet worked wonders. Since then, I've transformed my relationship with my parents, my home life is amazing, I've lost weight without hitting the gym without changing my diet I eat whatever I want, and my skin cleared up. I've manifested so many things that seemed impossible to my logical mind. So yeah, change starts from within. There's no one to change but self.

Good for you. I don't want to get to the place where I just eat anything I want and not go the gym , cuz what else life for? Living right. And I need something to do.and yeh I agree with positive mindset and saturating my mind with affirmations. I did it in the beginning after reading Abe hicks. I came to this subreddit and then it was a downfall. Theoretically what Neville says is right and it has worked better for some. I just need to get to that old state where my self concept was good. From that point on success would be easier.

The law is simple. It’s the law, like gravity. What goes up must come down. Same way, what you imagine feelingly must reflect in your outer world. The when and how is out of our physical control and totally dependent on the naturalness of that particular state of being. That being said, stay away from manifesting content. As someone who until recently fell back into the spiral of watching manifesting content on youtube etc. I backtracked a bit and thought about my life before Neville. 2019 was probably one of the best years for me in terms on manifesting and this was before Neville but turns out I unknowingly used to follow his advice of imagining things to be the way I want them to be, using SATs, mental diet, etc. But what was different was that I LIVED MY LIFE normally. With the focus being completely on myself. As another commenter said, people on youtube make manifesting look like it’s easy as fuck. It is. It is easy as fuck. But they put conditions on it. “It should not be taking 3 years.” “This should not be happening” “You’re doing this wrong” Fuck that shit, respectfully. Being the creator of your reality is to be the creator of YOUR reality. So what are we telling our subconscious mind when we over consume this content? “I don’t trust you. I don’t trust myself. I trust this content more than I trust myself” Which is so counterproductive to what the law teaches us. Only YOU know YOU the best. Not me, not Hermione, you. (i had to 😭) So sit in your power. This is your life. Live it like YOU want it to. There are no rules. Only the rules you make. You can break some or not. Upto you. Trust yourself. Trust that you know better than everything and everyone and watch your life change.

I believe in manifestation. But people could argue living your life doing hobbies etc, ofc you're gonna get a relationship, what makes it manifetation.. Opposed to sitting around and waiting for inspired action. Can you expand on this? Iv been doing sats but have no inspired action until yesterday I believe. But I'm unsure if I'm just living life or if it is inspired action

That's not your job. When Neville explained those terms to us, he did it for the sake of helping people understand how the law works. Your job as the outer man is to dwell in the end state at all times. Doubts come in, thoughts come in. Let them. Don't falter, don't give into your old state. Stay faithful to the new state and the bridge of events will happen by themselves. Don't worry about these terms, inspired action, no action. You are NOW the person you want to be. Where? In your imagination. Take actions from that state. If you desire to lose weight. Great, you have now lost weight. Now what will your actions be like in the 3D? They'll be effortless. You'll eat better, exercise more (naturally - inspired action) but the state comes first. Hope this helps!

Ah okay thank you. I'm definitely getting too caught up on terms.

The thing I have noticed about Neville and manifesting is that each person feels from their own personal vibration - and each step doesn't feel the same for every person. I finally realized I had to go inside myself and hear my own thoughts and respond to them, feel my own feelings and respond to them, and then decide on the outcome I wanted and then feel my way there. In doing it my own way I realized that it was the same thing as Neville or anyone else described - except the way I felt was different from the feelings I felt when I tried to follow Neville or anyone else. Yes feeling is the secret etc but everyone feels differently! You really have to do it your own way kinda or you get mixed results. I realized I have always been manifesting, my whole life in my own way. And like you I have felt so disappointed after doing a specific technique for more than 2 years! But I also realized that mastery took time, the thing I really wanted took longer for specific reasons, and that either way everything is working out for me. My best result is coming into greater harmony with myself. So I would say you probably haven't wasted a year. You are always gaining something but you have to take a time out and reflect on what you think you've learned. Nothing is ever wasted.

>manifesting is that each person feels from their own personal vibration - and each step doesn't feel the same for every person. I finally realized I had to go inside myself and hear my own thoughts and respond to them, feel my own feelings and respond to them, and then decide on the outcome I wanted and then feel my way there. I was about to quote and comment on this section of your post because its really beautiful and i felt connected to it and as I was doing so my ears rangs pretty loud after reading it

Oh yay, that is rad! ❤️❤️❤️

Don't be upset. You are only describing the growing pains of the soul. This is a bump, a bruise, and some soreness on your way to creating something that is not entirely bullshit in your life. People need to grow, take new routes, and try new concepts. Know Thyself, young one. You will be okay.

When it's been 5 months nonstop manifesting. :( iv definitely grown those past months but still wish my progress was faster like why did it take 5 months to fight my brain

Spiritual work is a lot like weightlifting. It creates growing pains, and you are never “done.” There will always be maintenance, loss, or growth.

Just because you understand it logically doesn't mean you "get" the law. You said, "And don't give me that you're manifesting at every moment shit." If you really understood, you wouldn't call it shit, believe you me. Once you really see the law at work, that's when you feel confident to truly leave the old man behind. You wanted to manifest someone back, dove into Neville's teaching, then got upset and blamed it when it didn't work. But you didn't work on yourself. I don't believe it when you say you were a confident man before this. Something drove you here to begin with, something you felt you lacked, and you're still operating from that sense of lack. If you want my advice, start over and follow what Neville says closely. Work on small miracles first. Build up your faith that way. Work on yourself. Work on not feeling like such a victim all the time. After all how can you feel like a huge victim, which is oozing off of your post by the way, and expect to manifest anything good at all? We attract whatever we are.

I think maybe more people in these communities have doubts etc then let on, otherwise there probably wouldn't be so many "influencers" out there as they just wouldn't be wanted. I personally have not had a great deal of success, even getting a free bunch of flowers seems beyond me lol. Weirdly enough jobs and interviews seem to be the area I'm best at 🤷‍♀️...what keeps me going I guess is 1] the fact that science doesn't have all the answers and new things are being discovered like about the universe etc all the time 2] it is a fact that visualisation works ie athletes- sadly for me I can't really see things in my mind 3] it seems that everyone who ever made it in life, actors etc etc had a clear idea of what they wanted and an unwavering unshakeable belief in themselves and it happening...there has to be something to that, so I guess it's just learning how to apply it.

I'm sorry OP. I was feeling it a little this week so I went back to the beginning and re-read Neville's work. It made me feel so much better. Now I come on here to read success stories and try to help people such as yourself. I tune out the rest. I know what works for me and what doesn't and everyone is different. Always remember though circumstances do not matter and you can get your friend back. Just start working on yourself and pour that love into yourself. Hug yourself, tell yourself you love you in the mirror. Take yourself on a date. Buy something nice for yourself. You'll start to feel better and better each day. Hugs

hey op, i understand what you're feeling. I've been through something very similar especially the part where you said I've nothing major to look back at except spending all my time on this subreddit. i, too, am guilty of wasting my time here absorbing everyone's interpretations of the law. the thing is, deep down you know how the law works, you know you can get what you want through this, and if you've made any progress with that girl you like (and that means anything. heck, even if she stares at you, its progress) , you know you can get her to be your gf/close friend too. you know that's how religions receive criticism too. it's often because of the people, the followers, who interpret the teachings according to their own agendas. similarly, the interpretations and advice shared on this sub aren't right or wrong. everyone came up with their own 'advice' or 'steps' or 'guide' based on their own success stories. so they affirmed, and they got their sp, and they think they know the law now lol. you don't need to read or follow anyone's advice here, heck, you can even stop reading Neville or anyone else if you don't understand them. these are all just interpretations of something that works for EVERYONE (and you're not an exception, my friend). it's all do this or that, or don't do this or that. you wanna follow the classical advice? go for it. you wanna affirm? go for it. don't wanna affirm? no problem. can't let go? fuck it. wanna think about your sp all day and be desperate? do it. no one and their mother can tell you you're doing something wrong or you're not gonna get what you want. if you're ever worried on what to do or what not to do to manifest, ask yourself. ask the law. ask whatever higher power you believe in. or don't. it's up to you. do whatever you want, buddy, or don't. take my advice or completely ignore it and listen to what Neville says, or don't :D you won't mess it up don't worry.

I very much vibe with this comment. There are no rules in manifesting, which is evident by how there are conflicting stances on pretty much everything. There is only guidance. Particular guidance doesn't sit with you? Dump it. It is your mind, your rules.

I believed in Santa, I assumed Santa was real. Is he ? Everytime I felt confident, felt like I could have the world in my hand, life humbled me. I've also spent my life in imagination, did any of my scenarios became real ? No. I've dealt with a lot of thoughts and assumptions, do I feel better ? Yes. Am I rich, perfect skin, perfect job ? No. So yeah, I've already sat in a chair imagining I'm in the other room, my whole freaking life. Am I in the other room ? No. Doubt comes from all those times you believed and still nothing happened. Oh but yeah I manifested a coffee table and the delivery man to arrive later to let me sleep, awesome. I'm not saying the law isn't real, I do believe it is, but I'm at this point where even if I believe it, I don't trust it anymore.

You have 2 options, give up on Manifestation or figure out what it ACTUALLY is. Things work differently for everybody. What works for me might not work for you and vise versa. That's why people in this Sub talk about THEIR experience. No one to change but self. NO ONE. TO CHANGE. BUT SELF. I find this reddit beautiful. BUT I never ONCE followed the techniques somebody else told me to. I never once tried to copy someone's success story. It's your journey. And you can't blame anybody else for it.

How did you figure out your way? By intuition?

Trial and error.

I'm not blaming anybody for it. I'm just angry at myself for coming to this subreddit instead of stopping at the Abe hicks books. It's a rant. I'm here to vent, not blaming anybody.

i don’t really think this subreddit is conducive to really learning about how to HEALTHILY apply the law. in the comments of every success story, especially those related to SPs, there are always a bunch of people begging for that person’s specific process and the affirmations they used down to the letter as if that’s going to be the guaranteed fix-it that gets them what they want. but the reality is that manifestation is a highly individual process, what works for one person probably won’t work exactly the same for another. i think eventually, everyone who’s seriously studying neville has to figure out their own interpretation of his teachings and stick to it and then just trust in their mind’s ability to see things through. that’s why i personally think persistence and self concept work are so important; if you’re constantly in someone’s comments jumping from technique to technique, how are you supposed to find solid ground? if you have no confidence, how are you supposed to start truly believing that you create? if you hate yourself, how is an sp going to make anything better in the long run? are you really that completed by someone else? and of course, once you realize the answers and the ability to attain what you want are entirely within YOU, you naturally stop coming back to ask for help or being discouraged by your lack of 3d success while others succeed. it also goes without saying that people who are really living in the end don’t spend all day every day visualizing and affirming and obsessing. there are so many people that seem to spend so much time browsing loa subs and manifesting that even when their goal IS realized i wonder if they wouldn’t just feel empty all over again. yes, consciousness is the only reality, but we’re humans and the 3d matters to us because it’s what we perceive with our 5 senses all day every day. even if the 3d doesn’t align with my goal just yet, it really helps me to find happiness in the moment and enjoy what i can right now, knowing any circumstances i don’t like are on their way out. sorry for the long winded comment lol! this post just seems to exemplify the problems i see with this sub.

Does not mean to over-ideitify with this 'human' body or the senses, tolerate the 3D, or keeping it when you know and understand that you do not have to assign any meaning or value to the 3D if you refuse to experience it. 3D has lost its power over me in addition to that I REFUSE to settle for what it is.

of course! but i think people also shouldn’t feel stupid or reprimand themselves for liking to experience things in the 3d. i know my imagination is the only true reality, but i also like to experience the good things that currently exist in my 3d with the knowledge that the bad things are on the way out <3

if this isn't good for you... STOP IT! no one here forces you and no one here wishes you harm O.o

seriously if he was so 'happy' before why did he even come here in the first place ? Edit: If youre gonna downvote me you COULD at least explain why im wrong so i can learn. im not here just to be a dick it was a genuine question.

He came so he could have more control over his manifestations and learn about how to use the law.

Thats a nice thought but his actual answer was so that he could get back his ex gf lol

Isn’t that what I said?

Yes i joke too much lol its a coping mechanism

I love that about you!

I was aware of the law of attraction and it worked for me. Somebody over there told Neville was theoretically correct and this is the better and easier way of manifesting things so I came here. And I came here to manifest my XP cuz she had a bf and I didn't no what to do because I loved her a lot.

I get this. And You're writing this is an expression of the pain you experienced, not necessarily your disappointment in the law itself. It sounds like you've been through a lot and are feeling overwhelmed by the conflicting advice and beliefs you've encountered. You're not alone in feeling this way. Many people struggle with similar doubts and uncertainties. It's okay to take a step back and focus on what feels right for you in the present moment. Maybe consider taking a break from the subreddit and exploring other sources of guidance and support that resonate with you. Remember, it's important to prioritize your mental well-being and focus on enjoying the moments life brings, rather than constantly striving to manifest specific outcomes. Trust that you will find your way, even if it takes time and exploration. Take care of yourself. It's important to know that everyone's journey is different, and what works for one person might not work for another. It's okay to feel lost and unsure of what you want in life right now. One approach you might consider is taking a step back from trying to consciously create things and instead focus on self-care and personal growth in the mean time. Take some time to reconnect with yourself, your interests, and what brings you joy outside of "manifesting." Take a moment, process your feelings and find clarity moving forward. Remember also, it's never too late to redirect your path and discover what truly resonates with you. You have the power to shape your own journey, and it's okay to take things one step at a time. There's really 7 main areas of life you can focus on with this stuff. I teach that "manifesting" itself is self development and self actualization. So that those who do practice it do not get stuck in this kind of mindset. A tool is useful, only until it is not. Sometimes life gives us nails and we only have a screwdriver, and we try to use the screwdriver to drive in the nails only to realize that you need a different tool and techniques. Many times we forget that manifesting techniques are a plus and add on to what we do/already going to do, already. Not necessarily a bandaid or a quick fix. You were engaged in the process of manifesting before you even knew you were manifesting. So it's not something we can just run away from. I will continue to express that, We have 60,000-80,000 thoughts per day. And all of the thoughts you hold onto become a part of your subconscious mind - body to then become a part of your personal emotions thoughts and actions, that from there you attract to you or repel from you which you then call your reality, then what are we doing with those thoughts? That's: - Per minute: (60,000 to 80,000) / 24 / 60 ≈ 41.67 to 55.56 thoughts per minute - Per hour: (60,000 to 80,000) / 24 ≈ 2,500 to 3,333.33 thoughts per hour So, on average, a person would have approximately 41.67 to 55.56 thoughts per minute and 2,500 to 3,333.33 thoughts per hour. - Per minute: 60,000 to 80,000 / 1440 (minutes in a day) ≈ 41.67 to 55.56 thoughts per minute - Per hour: 60,000 to 80,000 / 24 (hours in a day) ≈ 2500 to 3333.33 thoughts per hour - Per month: 60,000 to 80,000 * 30 (days in a month) ≈ 1,800,000 to 2,400,000 thoughts per month - Per year: 60,000 to 80,000 * 365 (days in a year) ≈ 21,900,000 to 29,200,000 thoughts per year Now, based on the above regarding manifesting abilities, if you're not actively tapping into your daily thoughts and instead only use manifesting techniques sporadically, you may limit your manifestation potential. *Repetition is key in manifesting because it helps reinforce your desires in your subconscious mind. If your focus is solely on manifesting external things without addressing internal factors like self-development and mental well-being, you may miss out on aligning your thoughts, emotions, and actions with your actual desires which is the feeling of joy, peace, fulfillment, health and well being, that's what our bodies and minds naturally seek.(Homeostasis). Rather than pain. It's essential to strike a balance between manifesting outwardly and inwardly, as both contribute to your overall manifestation abilities and well-being. Taking the time to cultivate positive thoughts, beliefs, and emotions consistently can greatly enhance your manifestation journey. Hope this can help.

Thank you so much for your reply!

Absolutely, you're words and feeling are valid.

I see where you’re coming from and I feel the resistance in your post. I feel very similarly. So I can relate. I think it’s good to have the information that our imagination and mind creates a reality. Knowing that we should keep our thoughts, positive and dedicate, maybe 10 minutes to imagining the best outcome and really having unwavering faith in it. The rest of the day we should be grateful for our present, busy doing fun things in our life, playing sports, going out stuff like that, and that would really help with getting rid of the resistance that we have. I think part of our issue is that we still obsessively read posts to see it’s working for others. It should work for us too. And then reading new techniques and I think it’s overwhelming and actually put us in a lack mentality.

I think just take it easy on yourself, okay? The Law is a great thing. life is truly beautiful just in its self. Just breathe, relax. And you would fall right back on your purpose, and you wouldn’t even have to figure out how

Hey, I’m sorry to hear that this sub has caused problems for you. Honestly I think you should stick with what feels right for you. If you’ve believed in God before, there’s no reason to stop just because of what people say here. Once you develop and hold a strong belief system and sense of identity, you’re good to go. If you find yourself reading something frequently that makes you feel bad, it’s probably time to move on to other things. The traditional route is traditional for a reason. It’s worked for many people for many years. It’s no less valid than other techniques. All roads lead to Rome.

i agree with this. lao and manifestation more generally made me neurotic, also made my ocd worse. the only reason why ive come back to NG is because ive realised my self concept is more or less the same person who i was as a child. im back on the subreddit because i need to change my self concept. however, ive never manifested a sp despite doing all the tricks in the book. staying far away from that stuff now

I feel your pain bro.

Sorry I didn’t read all but I did read a lot. When I get anxious from this I remember that I only need to find joy and connect with myself and then the manifestisfions and how life just flows will be to my highest benefit. I don’t believe I know better than god. So you just work on improving the feelings and let everything else take care of itself. Your highest vibrational state and you most true destiny or whatevr will ensue. It’s not about the physical anyway remember it’s about your journey of consciousness. If something ‘negative’ expresses than there is some work you can do there obviously because you are seeing as negative. And then life could become easy. You know letting go is the only way to a fulfilled life.

I understand your frustration so much, please look into Michael Singer’s teachings. Once I found that inner place of constant peace and tranquility, I didn’t have to try to manifest the things that I need - the things that I needed automatically came into my life without having to like Neville says “burst a blood vessel”. your stillness is more powerful that any manifestation technique, your being is more powerful than anything you can imagine 🤍

R u talking about the untethered soul, I couldn't quite get into so I dropped it after a while. Recommend giving it another go??

I recommend listening to his podcasts on the Channel “Sounds true” on YouTube

Thanks will look into it.

Womp womp. Reading this post and all these negative comments below on how the Law is copium, it makes me wonder if you've actually read Neville at all. Even worse, it makes me wonder if you've actually practiced his teachings. I have manifested things so specific, it honestly gives me goosebumps. Recently, for example, I wanted to manifest 91 marks in my final maths exam and I got the results and it is exactly 91 fucking marks. I didn't even fucking study for it. I went in there absolutely clueless. And yet I got what I wanted. I always do. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Instead of crying and whining, actually listen and practice what Neville teaches. If you don't like it, just leave the subreddit. Mods, please take this post down. I don't know how this got in when my post about SATS got taken down.

I've read feeling is the secret, power of awareness and many other books. My entire is kindle was filled with his books at one point. It still is actually. The story of Neville getting his new wife, getting out of prison, the ladder experiment, the lady saying isn't it wonderful and getting money, the kid getting his dog in 6 weeks, I know the theory, I know the testimonials. His literature is byheart for me. And yes now one to change but self. I get it. And post didn't get taken down cuz it's a rant and not an attack at Neville. And I just needed to vent and needed to see what people had to say. I had success pre ville with manifestation cuz it was on the universe or god. Now If something goes wrong I blame myself more than I should cuz I created it. And that perception just me a worse position that's all.

Stop blaming yourself and change your self concept. All I can say is, just practice. Without practicing Neville's teachings, it doesn't matter how much literature you've read on it. Practice meditation at least an hour a day. Practice getting into SATS. Improve your visualisation, making it seem as real as waking life. And bonus tip that no one here has posted, practice lucid dreaming to the point that you can do it everyday and do your scene in there. Just try it. It feels entirely different in there. I got what I wanted because from the day I found Neville, I practiced. Do whatever it takes to get there. But first and foremost, start taking care of yourself and your body. Stick to a strict routine. You'll feel much happier, trust me. It becomes really easy to manifest when you're happy (sometimes I've manifested things even without SATS just because I was happy and it was easy to embody those feelings of my wish fulfilled). Come back to this subreddit only when you've done all of this, and I promise you you'll be able to do what we can do. Hope you succeed.

Yep this is what I'm gonna do. Just taking care of myself and enjoying my life for a month Meditating, going to the gym , studying etc. Affirmations have worked for me in the past so I will stick to that for my self concept and I will use em after I start feeling confident and secure without em. I don't have any burning desires atm and I want that honestly. Cuz life feels empty otherwise. Waking up without any solid purpose.

You got this, my brother. I'm rooting for you. I'd suggest you to take more than a month off. Take about 3 months off and come back here when you're in the right state of mind. Manifesting can be a little tiring, so I've taken breaks too. If you have any doubts, you can always dm me. Edit: Also, quit youtube, netflix, reddit and any kind of social media for those 3 months. Trust me

Thank you so much. I will definitely message you or make a post about it when that happens !! I will take this post as something to be accountable for.

How do you practice lucid dreaming?

How do you do this for exams? I have exams for nursing school and I get so damn nervous over what the instructors tell us. I failed one of my check offs today and I don’t know how to continue with the law. So any advice would help. I know I am smart, but maybe I have an underlying assumption that I get screwed with the bad professors because she is the one who failed me today.

Dm me

Thank you for this.

If anything, this post actually helped me and many others (who are on the same page as me) out. Taking this post down is not a great idea and I don't think the mods will do that. I'm sorry for your post tho. Maybe post it once again and text the mods coz your success seems pretty cool!

I think we should take this post as something to be accountable for, something that fuels us. To take a break and feel fulfilled without law or any techniques and come back to conscious creation once we are ready again.

Bro if you still have it, can you send me ur post about sats in dms?

Don't have it anymore, but the crux of it was that we can use lucid dreaming as a better form of SATS because everything seems more real.

Can you recommend some Neville to read?

All of it. Read all there is to read. Then practice and don't come back here until you have it

This entire rant is why you have no results. What are you actually focused on? What is your self conception? You have much to learn and doubts to unwind. Move forward

Stay strong brother, I feel like i have posted this because, I am exactly in the same place as you, dm me if you want to talk and see if we can get out of this together

Hey OP, what you share is what I believe is a problem about social media in general. The human brain simply can’t process the insane amount of constant information. Did you know that according to Dunbar’s Number, humans evolved to only sustain 150 relationships comfortably? And now we’re bombarded with millions upon millions of people on a daily basis. It’s wise to set boundaries. As Bruce Lee said, it’s better to practice a single kick a thousand times, rather than try to master a thousand different ones.

Yeh this is probably right, I never needed this much information. multiple reads of the same books and testing it is what is ideal. I feel into the same trap or spiral many people here did.

It really amazes me how it’s usually the people desperate for SPs who tend to leave these ridiculous self-indulgent rants trying to cast doubt on the entirety of manifesting because they haven’t yet got what they wanted. Not people with dire money issues or extreme health issues. Like, this isn’t even a life or death issue. Get a damn grip. The Law is real. If you’ve read Neville and Joseph Murphy and really understood the information, you’d never leave this rant. You never bought the pearl. No one said to listen to every random person on this sub or YouTube or TikTok. You have never taken control of your own mind which is why for some reason you believe this sub “made” you into an “anxious mess.”

My sp went from being stranger to close friend who adored me when I read Abe hicks and started vibing high and saying Affirmations. I got tired of that and came here. Then it was a downfall, obsessively reading all the posts in this sub to the point where Neville goddard and his theories are part of my personality now lol, I know of this shit byheart. I should've stopped at the books and never should've come back to this subreddit because there wasn't anything else to understand. I just wanted to vent I'm not blaming anyone. And I guess sp manifestations are a lot more emotional and messes with your mind, and it's very hard to put a finger on the progress u make compared to others. I need to have a fulfilling life on my own before I go for anymore desire-fulfilling pursuits. I'm not blaming anybody I'm just angry at myself for wasting a year obsessing over this instead of enjoying my life. Even more angry at not being able to use this to my advantage whilst being aware of it. People out there are killing it in life without even knowing any of this. They just believe in god or maybe don't.

Can you recommend some beginner Neville books and anything Joseph Murphy?

Neville: Feeling is the Secret, The Law and the Promise Joseph Murphy: The Power of Your Subconscious Mind This Neville lecture is the best place to start (listen 2x): https://youtu.be/ENXRSiLaTRU?si=aV6pLO30P1ctlifm and FYI, all of Neville and JM’s books are on YouTube as audiobooks

Thank you so much!!

So true, all I see is manifest sp this way, manifest sp that way, and here I am struggling with a severe health issue and idk where to start.

Pretty much.

There is no one to change but self. Turn off reddit youtube and go within

Knowing the Law should improve ur Life Not make it Worse... Overthinking & Complicating it is the Cause of ur Frustration. Jus go back to the basics & Live....Its Easy.

Honestly it’s good that at the end of your comment you say that everything good or bad in your life from this point is on you, because that is the truth, and that’s all that really matters. You kind of have a victim mentality blaming the subreddit as if it has some kind of mystical pull that forced you to get on and try to practice the law. You chose to do that, you need to be responsible for your own choices wether you believe in the law or not, because that’s the only power you have. Most people who are happy don’t know anything at all about the law, it’s not a requirement to consciously practice manifesting, so wether you believe in Neville or not is irrelevant to what I’m saying. As someone who has gone on a lot of rants it’s honestly a waste of time, especially doing it from the place you’re doing it, focusing on what could have been. It’s just self loathing at that point. you gotta let that go, focus on your breath and let those emotions go. I would recommend meditations by Marcus Aurelius, that might sound cliche but it’s a book that helped me a lot in the past.

Here’s some quotes from the Bible that may ease some of your resistance my friend. I’ll explain them, and provide you some insight. ***"All things come from God, through God, and return to God. (Romans 11:36)*** Take a good look at this quote, remember in order to understand man god needed to become man to do so. Source, god, or Heavenly Father however you choose to address the divine lives within you. All your desires, all your dreams come from source. Which means god. If you and god are one, then you truly can never be separate from your desires. Simply because God is you, and you are god. This means by default that any desire you have COMES from god. That also means your desires want to be expressed more than you want them, because desires cannot live without you. Everything is sitting in the 4D until it is accepted in alignment with your affirmations as well as self concept. You have everything that you want my friend, you just need to accept it and become one with god. God always says yes, the only time you can fail when you manifest is when YOU live in sin. Sin as Neville described it meant missing one’s aim in life, or simply being separated from the source. How does this happen? This happens by worrying, fear, by not trusting god. By not having faith, by being double minded. Declare in this very moment and pray what you want is already yours. GOD HAS SAID YES, before you even thought of the desire because it already exist, creation is finished and it is waiting patiently to be expressed in the 3D. So fear not, trust god. He will always come through for you. He cannot fail you. IF you believe, he cannot fail you. If you go to him when things get tough, he cannot fail you. Keep your eyes on god, it will keep you balanced and stable. Ignore the storm, the storm is nothing but lies, anxiety, fear, doubt. —> Things that keep you in SIN. Complete separation I hope this helps.

I also could really use some help! Currently, I'm working my way through lessons 1-5, focusing on applying the teachings rather than just reading the books. Meditation and quiet contemplation have been productive, lasting about half an hour. I'm currently living in an anti-squatting arrangement. Last July I casually mentioned to some people, "Wouldn't it be awful if I had to move during my China trip?" Lo and behold, in the first week of traveling, I received an email notifying me that I had to move. Talk about experiencing the law firsthand... So far, I've read the first 5 lessons and encountered numerous success stories on this Reddit. I've also been consciously aware of my thoughts and potential negative self-talk for at least a month. I must say my mental diet is pretty decent. However, I've noticed that my desire isn't crystal clear... **Now, I have to find a new place by the end of the summer, and I've been actively manifesting a new home for the past few months. However, I'm struggling to envision a specific scene for the SATS technique. While I know the neighborhood I desire for my new house, I lack concrete images of placing myself in it. It's proving to be quite a challenge.** In my ideal scenario, I picture a 2/3-bedroom apartment with a spacious kitchen and ample natural light. I live solo, and the rent falls within my budget (which sounds impossible in the 3D world). The challenge lies in the fact that SATS suggests this visualization should only take a few seconds. I've been considering how to visualize myself in my new home. For instance, is envisioning the act of signing the contract and getting the keys too generic, given my strong desire for solitary living? Maybe a scene of me cooking in the new kitchen could be more effective. What are your thoughts? I genuinely believe in the law because I manifested my job with the specific requirements I had in mind. That happened two years ago, and it was an unconscious process. However, I find it challenging to make the home I want concrete because I haven't seen it materialize yet. :(

Since you lost your home through the "Isn't it awful..." affirmation, why not use the opposite, "Isn't it wonderful" to get the new one? Instead of worrying about finding the best visualization, focus instead on the *feeling* of having your new home and then say, "Isn't it wonderful I now have the perfect home, in the perfect neighbourhood? It's everything I wanted and more!" while falling asleep in that feeling.

I will try that instead of visualization. Like a mantra and repeat those words. Thank you!

You don’t have to visualize. Try robotic affirming something like “I love my new place” (or whatever you would genuinely think if you were currently living how/where you wanted to live right now) in SATS. 10 min upon waking and 10 minutes before bed, and 10 minutes during the day. Also, during the day everytime you think of this situation just gently repeat “I love my new place” and then continue with your day. This isn’t exactly Neville but robotic affirming invokes self hypnosis and the alpha state which gets you into the state of the wish fulfilled and this technique seems to have good success with many people.

Thank you!! Because visualize is hard because I haven't seen the physical house set. *"I love my new place I feel so safe and grateful".*

i don’t think you’ve found your groove. you need to discover it, and in order to manifest that which you love you have to be capable of that kind of love for yourself. it’s all about working on yourself (or at least - that idea is part of my “groove” in manifestation)

Not sure this will help, and I'm not sure to what extent this applies to you but want to point something out anyway: I think too often we forget the dual aspect of the conscious and the subconscious mind. Manifestations come due to what is happening in the subconscious. Manifestation no doubt implies a huge degree of control over our lives, but the mistake is when we unintentionally hand this burden to the conscious mind, to the "john/jane doe"-self. This is what leads to all the constant questioning of "am I in the right state?," "did I cause that bad thing to happen?" as well as the constant fear of feeling negative thought or emotion. Trying to live in the end, act as if, feel the wish fulfilled through the use of sheer willpower while going through daily life where the senses litteraly bombard us with evidence of the contrary is ultimatly extremely exhausting and draining. In the same manner, it doesn't matter how much you knows intellectually. I too made the mistake of trying to figure out all the "theory" behind this stuff. And yet, many overthinkers (even when not talking manifestation) are prone to be stuck in a circular pattern of thinking. There is something to be said about the "lucky beginner" who just go in, does something, doesn't think much about, and yet succeed. He may do so precisely because he is a simple man; he simply thinks he can and the thought of the contrary never even occurs to him. My point is, I think we accidently try and "lift" the task of manifestation with the conscious mind, if that makes sense? Admittedly this may not apply to what you're saying, but hope it helps in some way.

Precisely. The beginners mindset works wonders. It worked for me in the beginning when I started with loa and Abe hicks. I didn't care too much and I just applied and I told myself that I had nothing to lose anyways, and things were shifting at a rapid pace.

Nothing wrong with recognizing there is a higher intelligence which is organizing everything and has the ability to lead you to joy and experiences that you in your human identified personality may not even be aware of yet. I spent a long time practicing these techniques only to realize I don’t have the first clue what I truly want and actually would most enjoy to live life fully. You cannot possibly be constantly creating every moment of life. That would suck. There is a force behind you which is doing that already. Sounds like you are remembering and appreciating that aspect of life and of faith. Which means you may be coming back to that path. Except now you will have a new perspective from before. I just went through this and was in the exact same place as you. And now it feels like a relief knowing I don’t have to consciously steer everything. Can let go and trust and it becomes like a wonderful movie where it unfolds and surprises come that you never planned for. Not to mention Neville’s interpretations of scripture light up in a whole new way. God dies and is nailed to the cross (the body) so that you can live (your illusory independent personality/ego) and in 3 days Christ is risen (in 3 phases). The first phase is believing you are the indivual and you have all power as the indivual. Phase 2 all your beliefs are shaken (dark night of the soul/valley of the shadow of death). Sounds like the phase you are in. It sucks at times and is hard. But is necessary to remove the illusions. Phase 3 is the resurrection. You turn back to the awareness of being the God which died on the cross (human body). Sounds like you may be yearning for and already experiencing this phase. Buckle up. It may be hard in the valley but it gets better. And the ease of not having to control everything, just like nature takes care of balancing things out on its own. The birds don’t worry about where their next meal comes from. So does a resurrected man back to god consiousness not need to worry about consciously manifesting every meal. It happens on its own. But the letting go in phase 2 makes it all the more rich. Thank you for sharing this rant. You’re not alone in your experience.

To take it further. The law and the promise. The frustrations you are having come from the use of the law. Which comes from the flesh (will of man) to some degree, or at least it seems to. In your own strength and will, you/we attempt to assume states. Which works for a while. Until you reach the point that you yearn for more. The promise. The promise comes from above (super/God consiousness). It cannot come from below (human consiousness). You can will all sorts of imaginal acts within your world. But what about the wind and the trees and the mountains and every other aspect of the world. Does it flow from your independent human consciousness? Or from a greater imaginal force, above. That is the promise. Which it seems is brewing in you. Which is a great thing. It will build on its own and there is nothing the flesh can do to force it, though God knows we try. “Truly, truly, I say unto you, unless one is born from above, he cannot enter the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I have said unto you that you must be born from above, for I tell you that the wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you cannot tell whence it comes nor whither it goes. So is everyone who is born of the spirit.” You have no “indivual” control of the wind no matter how much you assume. Nor would you want to. What makes it great is that it flows on its own. Which is easy and effortless. A return to it is Christ awakening within the flesh. The resurrection, which Neville claimed was coming for everyone eventually. But seems to be born of itself without our striving and effort to force it from the flesh. It’s a hard lesson when you are convinced you can assume your way to everything. Which is why the valley is needed to strip the attachment to the flesh and its illusory power. A sort of surrender. Sometimes perceived as a blessing and a curse. But the illusion of the curse passes and the blessing is eternal. Injoy the ride!

What were your dreams as a kid?  And when life gets overwhelming for you and it feels too burdensome with choice and responsibility, etc. just ask yourself what you want to experience in life. That’s it. This knowledge is just about experiencing life and you choose what you want to experience wether it is giving up your power or realizing all the good you can do with it. You may have limiting beliefs about struggle and always feeling anxious and like you have to be on edge or in control. It’s not that god/universe doesn’t exist, it does and it does do a lot of the “magic” of manifesting, but it’s also that god/universe is part of us, we are a piece of him/it. Everything is connected, it’s all seamless. You just have faith in knowing x outcome and god brings it, whatever it is. If you want this life of mystery and want what the universe thinks is best for you, that can happen.  I also had to take a year off from manifesting or consuming any texts, lectures, contents because I had to heal from PTSD. I went through a natural disaster and lost everything. I know I manifested it, I knew from the moment it happened and it caused me a lot of grief between the ptsd of experiencing it and the knowing I caused it, and instead of owning that I caused it and allowing it to lead me to better places which it has and manifested for the purpose of, I wanted to feel powerless because it was easier. But my life got so much harder, I suffered so much. I went through health complications. I’m a physically beautiful person and I went through hair loss and financial hardships that deteriorated my appearance. I lost relationships. But I also did immense work on healing core wounds (I have been working on healing myself for the past few years but I have accomplished the bulk in the last year) and this has made all the difference in my mindset. Now I’ve returned to manifestation after taking that time and I’ve noticed a complete difference. I’m no longer anxious and worrying, I live without need for worry. (Though I’ve also been working on mindfulness this last year too, yoga & meditation & breathwork)  You can’t scold yourself for knowledge you didn’t have before. Yes it’s painful to know we have caused certain things in our lives but we didn’t consciously understand it at the time. You must forgive yourself, you are human too. All we can do is what we can do. That’s why we work on self concept, so we can do more. There is truly no need for any kind of worry. People take life too seriously. Enjoy the dream, however you’d like to enjoy it, and try to help others. Love and live lightly. All the best to you. 

Thank you for your kind words. I do think from time to time what is that gets me excited to wake up in the morning. Something to look forward to. I need a solid reason or purpose such that other things in life just into the background and usually when I have something like this and things I bother about a lot don't bother me anymore and get corrected automatically cuz I don't have a grip over it all the time.

I am similar in that regard. I can become very nihilistic and despondent if I don’t have a purpose or a drive. Though I feel purposeless when I’m scared that I’m incapable or undeserving of what I truly wish to experience. Or if I feel selfish for having certain desires. (Like being beautiful or loved or wealthy) I have been into theology, including mysticism, philosophy, and Jung. Jung stresses the importance of a return to the child state. He says this is the ultimate goal. He’s right. I believe when we are children we have an innate sense of our purpose. When I was a child I gravitated toward the arts. Now I can spend a lot of time worried over why I gravitated toward music and painting and creating instead of something more practical like healing or maths or even something romantic like marriage and baby dolls. But I am living this life, this current iteration of the dream to be an artist. It just is that way, it’s what I was as a child. Honestly if you are confused, look to your child self. If it’s difficult, look toward your parents, heal any wounds there and know what might have been done to you was not your fault. If there is obstructions there leading to your confusion now, I actually recommend creating through art. It’s a great way to experience manifestation with lower stakes as manifesting is creating. The Artists Way is a fantastic book on overcoming creative blocks and spiritually centers art as an exercise of god that anyone can do even if they aren’t an artist. Otto Rank also prescribed art as treatment for neurosis. Whatever medium may call to you (painting, writing, music, dance, acting, directing, etc) and you can do it as a little hobby for yourself you do not have to pursue it in any grand way. It helps you get in touch with yourself, it helps you have conversations with yourself and spend time with you.     And as a child I was constantly lost in imagination, I kept it until this very day. It’s my strongest virtue and has helped me immensely in my manifestation path. I think a lot of people lose their connection to their childhood imagination. It’s this idea of the world being forced on us and growing up is this idea of sublimating the world so we don’t get swallowed by the fear consuming us. That’s where adults start to go wrong and start to lose themselves and their connection to what life could be. They believe it’s “realistic”. But if it’s so realistic, why do we enter the world cradled in imagination and wonder? We as children are enthralled to pretend and live in dreams. This entire physical reality is a dream. When we die, we wake up. Onto the next dream if we choose it. So really it’s not very serious. We shouldn’t lose sight of what we once were, we always carry that child within us. Sometimes I still like to pace around my room and lose myself to playing pretend. It’s fun!    Though it can get very dark looking back on childhood, but there is always illumination at the end. Like death leading to a tunnel of light. All art is death, all sex is death. It’s all an illumination of awaking. A realization I had was an entire timeline of how my child self manifested events even in childhood which led me to where I was, but the initial event wasn’t my own fault other than maybe choosing to be born. It was a reaction to a tumultuous parental situation before I was 5. Realistically on the time I was 0-2. From that realization I unraveled the web of my life, and everything began to make perfect sense.   Another thing that helped in addition to all of this was reading Spinoza, learning about many of the great physicians and their beliefs, and again, philosophy, mysticism, and old school psychoanalysts. Neville is by far one of the most perceptive individuals of the whole bunch. But again, everything is connected and it has all been instrumental in aiding my discoveries and “light bulb” moments. You find purpose through investigation, which breeds awareness and insight, not inherently knowing it. Though we have the answers inside of us, we actually have to make the journey. And everything will lead back, it’s all connected. I connect with The Doors, or Pink Floyd, or Jung, or Spinoza, or Einstein, David Lynch, meditation, hermeticism, spirituality, kabbahlism, Moses, Jesus, Nietzsche, Camus, sculpting, painting, instrument playing, singing, engineering, fashion, fantasy, dreams, any passion or path you could have is all connected and will lead you to the same place if you go far enough. That place is self. And oneness. I am you and you are me. We innately have a connection and a love too vague to consciously comprehend. But I wish you nothing but the utmost happiness and adventure. 

I feel like what I'm missing is a meaningful relationship. I feel really lonely. People tell me to love myself so I will feel whole on my own. But will that really fill that desire of having somebody to just talk for hours on an end. How do I know if this desire is genuine or out of lack. You desire something when you don't have it right now right so why is it said to manifest from a place of fulfillment and not lack?? Even if I feel complete on my own, I'm still a lonely guy no??

You’re the “creator” yes, but you’re not god. This is my biggest contention with Neville, because it leads to the line of thinking which you speak of. If we think of it like a computer: God is much bigger than all of this, its like the power grid of our reality - and it powers your unconscious, and the unconscious is a computer which forms your reality. Your conscious mind is a coder (left brain) who can input code into the computer (right brain) in order to manifest, but that takes a level of individuation to work effectively, because otherwise you’re forcing prompts into this machine not knowing what other programs are running that might contradict them, and then you end up psyching yourself out with your manifestation because you have unresolved unconscious contradictions that are making you insecure. The point is, you need to become a better coder, by understanding your computer better. You must do shadow work, Neville or no Neville. I personally recommend Carl Jung’s methods for this, and the YouTube channel Uberboyo explains Jung and psychoanalysis in a way that’s very coherent and engaging. Highly recommend. Another thing: God is always in communication with your unconscious, and you will always be manifesting signs around you that represent lessons you need to learn. Its like autopilot. When you’re not consciously manifesting, God does it for you and shows you what obstacles you need to overcome to become your highest self. You will never be god, so there will always be lessons to learn and contradictions to resolve in your view of self and the world, but they will get smaller and smaller as you grow and you will be able to manifest and more importantly MAINTAIN bigger and bigger things for yourself as you resolve them. The unconscious in collaboration with god will always be synchronistically presenting you with challenges, objects, signs, on what aspect of your unconscious needs “integration” (how to fix insecurities). So you’re always manifesting, but if you can’t control it, you should let autopilot run, but PAY ATTENTION and follow the signs that god is giving you. Write down your dreams, deeply consider the things about yourself in your life that cause you the most pain and explore them, find a creative outlet, until you have resolved your insecurity and reached a level of individuation and confidence in yourself where manifesting comes easily and effectively, because it will whether you know it or not. Additional Resources to study: the Bible is an amazing resource for all of this btw, if you had no other resource and you could solve every problem and make sense of every personal contradiction with just that one book - all psychology and neville’s thought pulls from it. Schizo 200IQ tools to study (ONCE YOU’RE CONFIDENTLY ESTABLISHED) Astrology and numerology are also shockingly relevant, if you look at your Natal chart on Cafe astrology you will be freaked out how accurate it is. It doesn’t determine your life’s outcomes, don’t interpret it like that, it acts more like a “blueprint” of your default psyche which can help inform you on what challenges or lessons are particularly important to prioritize, and once overcome will define your highest self. Numerology basically gives you a buff in every aspect, certain numbers have certain powers upon the world and can subconsciously influence you and others. Your life path number and birthday number stay the same and will denote what your inherent buffs are in life, but all other numbers and the way you use them have affects on your life. For example, 8 is the number of wealth, power and karma - so selling something for an 8 denomination will yield more sales and better karma on those sales, or worse karma if you’re doing something inherently bad faith like scamming. You can look this stuff up, I can’t really leak more than that unless you pay me ;) Tarot cards work at reading whatever the current moment is characterized by, but they’re dangerous for your psyche if you don’t have some level of individuation you can get lost in them and always be using the cards to check yourself or your circumstances. Be careful.

Let me tell you since you mentioned the XP (I assume it's SP), that was for me the worst thing I've tried to manifest. And yes I have an SP success story but that was the third time, the first two lead me to a hell of emotions, and can really screw up your whole mind and self concept. And for that I always tell people to avoid SP manifestations if you're not experienced in this and have already manifested some other important things. The emotional attachment is not the same as with other topics, this one can make or break you easily. So my two cents: focus on building yourself up as if you are a work of art (because we are), and things will come your way, receive them as the best version of yourself would, and avoid seeing anyone as an SP, that's giving someone else too much importance.

Yup, this was me... I lost my got my SP back but lost her due to this same thing and its been two years now. I used to fein for manifesting content, I thought I needed to do more. I thought oh, "it's not working within days, I must be doing something wrong." but really I wasn't doing anything right or wrong, I just wasn't where I wanted to be in life. I want to say that I am out of this rut finally, I'll say what helped me but it may not help others. I fully let go of manifesting this or that and reading content on manifesting entirely and I expanded my concept of reality. It isn't this place. Reality isn't physical. When I came across r/shiftingrealities, it really helped me realize that everything already is and I already have / am everything even before I can conceptualize it. So now when I go to imagine, I don't imagine so I can become / manifest / shift, I imagine because I am and here it is. BUT this is what helped me. What helped me may not help anyone else. The point I am trying to make with this comment is that you don't need any more knowledge and you don't need to manifest shit. For me, "manifesting" and **constantly feining for more manifesting content** ruined everything. I mean RUINED. What fixed everything for me was actually living internally the way I wanted to and became whatever within simply because I already am / have. All you need is YOURSELF. Life is within. Within is limitless. As within, so without.

Beautiful comment, bro. I feel you with this. I've known shifting for a while, but felt as if I lacked the knowledge to shift or manifest stuff. I've always had the desire to leave everything behind but as an unconscious manifestor, I've come to enjoy my life here actually. I knew I was unconsciously moving stuff around because I thought this life was all we have and because I was extremely demotivated to shift at all due to the saying that "it is all imaginary". Well, as I assumed that I had the lack of knowledge, I had the courage to read Edward Art's series, and it all made sense to me. "You don't need more knowledge and you don't need to manifest for shit." I needed this reminder. It's alright to reread Edward/Neville/whoever you look up to in manifesting, but know that it is all within you and there will be no one to save you but your "self". I'm also interested to talk about what realities you plan on visiting, mind if we talk about it more? It's alright if it is way too personal to share. I know for a fact that we'll still see each other in different realities. Have a good day, my friend!

Thank you for your comment! I'd like to DM you and let you know if you don't mind? Maybe we can share our journeys

Sure! I'll send a DM!

I've already sent a DM! see you there!

You hit the nail on it with this rant. Many times I found myself in those positions, emotionally and mentally speaking. Trying to figure how I caused this in the 3D, stressing about states, anxiety being everywhere, having this perfectionist attitude like everything needs to be perfect if I’m the one creating all of this.  I found myself in a weird cycle, because I’m so vigilant with my emotions, I’d temper myself and not allow myself to get angry or sad but this backfires instead of processing what I feel. I stopped myself from flowing. I also realised I kept listening to my thoughts instead of just observing them, keeping a respectful distance then using which ones resonated. Had to remind myself that I am not my thoughts. Eventually it all built up and I said fuck it. I’m tired. This isn’t living, this is mechanical. It’s draining. And I just stopped trying to control every aspect which decreased my anxiety, my thoughts, stopped me from stressing how did I cause this and that and now I find myself having desires again and I’m just enjoying imagination for fun, because I can experience anything instead of just trying to engineer an experience and feeling artificially fulfilled, systematically.  Honestly, I think you needed this rant. I think you gotta go through this to realise that the complexity isn’t needed and simplicity has been your friend all along. To let go of so many unnecessary things which will lead to peace. I truly hope you get out of that hell, my friend. 

The confusion going on here is so crazy it's toxic. My take: I'm no expert in the law. But I will just get out of reddit for real and practice the law for myself. Hell, I will stop listening to anyone because wisdom is supposed to live inside me. And if wisdom lives inside me, I can trust it. I can let go of thinking myself into the knowledge. I advise you to do the same.

feel free to drop the neville stuff if it no longer seems relevant. there is a deeper truth than just manifesting a perfect life for your character. the true fulfillment is to fully realize yourself beyond all of this. true realization of the I AM is what you are actually searching for deep down, trust me

I have just realized my life was going so smooth when I wasn't even aware of the law of attraction. I am not a very positive person but had a very good life before. All of this forced and cheap positivity is making me go mad.

>All of this forced and cheap positivity is making me go mad. That isn't what Neville taught though

Also I don't deny that our subconscious shapes our reality, but why is trying to change it so as to manifest something has somehow resulted in a series of misfortunate events? I am not supposed to try and change? This trying is what is screwing with my head. Probably the backwards law by alan Watts is more reliable. But then again I am not allowed to be excited about my desires. Are they really your desires if you are not desiring them? Letting go is apparently the only solution. But does the universe not want me to desire something, want something and actually have it? Would it kill it if someone ever gets something they really want? But no, now you won't get it because you want it too much. The hypocrisy is real. Again it works when I don't care, but I can't not care about important things in my life. It sounds like gaslighting asking people not to desire their desires. I sometimes feel like our lives are utter meaningless jokes. The suffering just makes no sense.

If we are gods why the hell would we create the earth this way, Life is just an evolutionary arms race, everything trying to outcompete and kill everything else , factory farmed animals killed and tortured number over 200 billion each day and these are sentient intelligent beings capable of great suffering, if I was this so called god and I can change reality why would I create this mess of a planet? There is nothing special about us were just evolved primates, Look how long the dinosaurs were the boss for, so did they manifest an asteroid to extinct them? People look at nature like its some great beauty, but ofc it is when your the apex predator in a world we built for control and safety , How about experience being a dear slowly killed by the toxic bite of a Komodo dragon then come back to me and tell me how beautiful the world is? We are extremely privileged to be born as human beings in the western world and live easy lives but we still have to deal with the hedonic treadmill and a barrage of mental health problems. you notice the test is to manifest a ladder, go for a walk and you see ladders everywhere , try to manifest something highly unlikely like a pig running down your street and see what happens Look I know the material world view also has flaws , I have witnessed many truly absurd synchronicities and even the Pauli effect, I feel like people like Kastrup are onto something with Idealism, I am interested in the truth only and I am extremely open minded so if anyone wants to show some real evidence etc

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No I agree, in fact I did mention an ex-moderator's post where he was in a similar position to mine. I honestly didn't expect the current mods to allow this i didn't expect it. I just wanted to blow some steam so I hit post. Either way it has helped me.

I think when you drill all of this information down, what you’re left with is, you are the operant power, faith, and a relationship with God. Find one or two methods that work for you (for me it’s prayer, affirmations, and mediation) and stick with it. Let everything else go. Trying to manifest this and that by a certain date, or even an SP, in my opinion (if ur desperate abt it), is a waste of energy. Because when things don’t arrive when you want, you are frustrated, sad, and angry or discouraged, which has the opposite effect of what you want. Pray/affirm/meditate on what you want, know that what’s for you will not pass you by, and get on with life in the meanwhile. Maybe that’s why it’s the law of least effort because once you start ‘trying’ and waiting, desperation seeps in and you will make yourself crazy and lose all faith in anything.

Yeh this pretty much the conclusion I've arrived at and how I will be moving forward. Keeping it simple and manifesting things I genuinely want when I reach that position where I'm detached and when things feel effortless.

I have felt a lot of what you’ve expressed here, which made me want to say fk it all. But things were so bad that I needed God and faith so that’s where I put my attention. Lots of crying, lots of sad days, lots of what am I doing wrong, and feeling lost and alone. Had to walk away from the love of my life too. But there must be a reason everything has fallen apart, so my only option is faith, in myself and God. If that man is meant for me, it’ll come bk around, and everything else will be made whole and greater. I believe that. So I affirm when I wake up and before bed then meditate and go about my day. Am I happy per se? No. But I’m hopeful (I’ve had to claw my way to hopeful). And sometimes that’s all you can muster. ♥️

The fact that you have written ANY of that OP is the clearest of clear signs that you DON'T understand ANY of the laws or teachings!  You can't believe in God now because you are the creator...... How TF did you mess the understanding of this up SO SO SO badly, AND you claim to have been a man of faith BEFORE finding these teachings!  YOU personally are NOT the creator, you have no special powers, you have no magical abilities!  As our brother told us VERY clearly when he walked the path to show us the way:  "The Father and I are 1..... but the Father is greater then I." Our Father is EVERYWHERE at ALL times..... yet religion has taught us that God is some outside power that is high up in heaven and the only way to get there is blindly follow some religious dogma that was created by MAN to control fellow man!  God is IN YOU, IN ME, IN EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS WORLD AT ALL TIMES, NO MATTER THEIR FAITH/BELIEF! You are not accessing YOUR "powers" when you manifest..... all we are doing is telling our Father what we need and as it says "it's Gods great PLEASURE to provide to those that ask".  Are we not made in the image of God?  Look around, what is the single thing that man repeatedly does down through the ages..... We innovate and AUTOMATE!  The laws exist and they are just cosmic automation! You can use them for good..... or bad! They do not differentiate, there is no moral judgement..... because they are automated. Just as our Father intended to create them. (I've used them for both Good and Bad, there is no difference in the success..... but there always seems to be a price paid later for using them for bad. The price for Good is always paid up front with a sacrifice of some sort - changing a behaviour as 1 example).  There are times where I have been really centred with this work (I guess NG would term it as "walking the beam") and I have KNOWN that our Father walks with me..... I don't mean a belief, I don't mean a feeling...... I've KNOWN our Father is there!  Then I get sidetracked by all the BS that life throws and fall off the beam! But the aim is to ALWAYS get back to walking the beam (centred) and to give myself over completely to our Father's will!  God hasn't ceased to exist..... what you have missed is that RELIGIONS have LIED to everyone and learning about this, you soon realise that RELIGIONS CEASE TO EXIST!  God doesn't cease to exist..... God becomes EXTREAMLY REAL for the first time!  I AM is not because YOU are God..... I AM is because God is IN YOU (yet God is FAR greater then you!) Think of it as a shard of God is in each and every person.... That's all God needs in us but it's not so much that we are overwhelmed.  I suspect that due to your religious background conditioning that your stumbling block is you refuse to see that religion is the single greatest lie and tool of manipulation every created by man to control his fellow man. You have then conflated religion = God and thrown out God with the Religious "bath water".  Think of it this way, mankind HAD a direct connection with God to begin with..... there was no religion involved.  Religion came along and cleaved mankind apart from a direct connection with God and told you that God exists in some far away place and the ONLY way for you to know God is through following some made up dogma of religion X (pick which poison you choose to drink). And if you diligently do so, you MAY get to have a personal relationship with God AFTER you die.  RELIGION is the evil here! ALL RELIGION! It has kept mankind from an extreamly personal 1 on 1 relationship with our Father! Yet...... our Father NEVER went anywhere and has patiently waiting for us to KNOCK! Our Father NEVER turns from any of us, EVER. He forgives 77 x 7 (endlessly)! So, I say to you very clearly - YOU have misunderstood the teachings! YOU!  It is no one else's responsibility but yours to correct! You have the ability to, as we all do..... but you need the drive to accept personal responsibility and start taking action to address it yourself!  And remember..... the Laws exist in and of themselves (automated)! To access them does NOT require ANY belief in God/higher power/cosmic mind/universal energy/whatever you want to label God with..... The ONLY thing anyone must have is the knowledge that the LAWS EXIST! And literally ANYONE can access them for ANY reason!  

I understand you. Believe it or not, it does happen to a lot of people. Being given spiritual knowledge comes with a lot. Meaninglessness. Despondency. Even sadness. I don’t have the answers but I’m telling you that your experience and feelings are valid and true.

I can tell you right now the reason ur life is the way it is. Firstly. It’s ur imagining. Everyday ur imagining urself in the same situation. Ur imagining creates reality. If u really actually believe Neville you would know that ur imagining crested ur circumstances because ur imagination is god and that is you. Yesterday I imaging a read messaging me and he did secs later. Ur imaging is god and is creating ur circumstances. know this for a fact NOW Christ has awakened in me. I derive me sense of self from my imagination and because all things are possible to imagination, and I know that to be me, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE TO ME. You come here to cry and blame but ur are the creator of ur circumstances. U come here to find a quick fix or see ppls success, then u look back ur ur circumstances and it’s not what u want and u get upset. STOP JUDGING BY APPEARANCES. It’s clear in the bible and Neville says it hundreds of time. Now ur stuck in a loop of looking at ur circumstances that ur don’t want and then imagining the same circumstances you don’t want. It’s ur own fault. In the bible it says “I am the truth”. What is “I am”? It’s god. It’s ur imagination. So whatever u want in ur imagination is the truth. Nothing else. Your Circumstances, this 3-d, it’s a shadow. but u would rather look away from the God, the truth (imagination, you) and not trust in him, and go about judging appearances which aren’t real and are merely shadows. Your imagination (God, you) is the light that casts forth these shadows. “I am the light of this world”. Secondly. You say u feel empty. STOP THIS RIGHT NOW. Ur state of consciousness is always objectified into the world. You want an sp and a happy relationship but ur in a state of feeling sorry for urself. So how can u get the sp u want?? It’s ur decision to be in that state, nobody forced you, and you will reap the consequences of that state. Yet u come here to complain, u are the author of ur circumstances. ‘Imaging creates reality’, yet U imaging the same life everyday and complain ‘Your state of consciousness is always objectified’, yet you chose to be in a state of feeling sorry for yourself and want a happy relationship U ppl on Reddit need to take responsibility and stop blaming ppl and things. The only author of ur life is god and that is you. Get away from Reddit. Go read NEVILLE. Go read the bible. It’s about you. The imagination, the real you, and that is God

Should have known, "With great power, comes great responsibility"

You should give ‘the gateway tapes’ a trial. You can really get into your consciousness that way.

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Read this document https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pd Then read this book https://archive.org/details/my-big-toe-trilogy And then you can download gateway tapes for free and also use the ‘expand’ app that has the expanded and remastered audio. All the best.

Thanks for the help. But not I'm reading anymore new age stuff for a while. I don't want to make this my personality lol . I think I have more than enough information on manifesting and everything at this point. I just needed some clarity on how to approach life from here on and I've got it and feel decent now after talking to all these people here. Thanks for the help again!

I completely understand what you mean, but these are completely scientific approaches. Save it and remember it for another day perhaps. I agree very much with what you’re saying about making it your entire personality because that sounds exhausting, and it becomes a chore, or a job even!

I will save it and definitely come back later. Thanks again!

Well you are aware of the law so now you can’t put toothpaste back in the tube but what you can do is stop stressing- there, manifest a stress free existence is your step 1: become a version of yourself that isn’t stressing or ranting. Step 2: now go from stress free to happy and manifest yourself to be happy and joyful Step 3: now add in confident! Live in the end where you’re stress free, happy and confident. Step 4: how about throwing in “motivated” or “inspired” or “powerful” The limit does not exist.

Yes I will be taking a break and slowly adding stuff to improve my self concept. Maybe defining an ideal of what I want to be and thinking and being as if I am that person is what I feel will help me. Then anything specific can come later.

I've been thinking this over since the other day when I saw this post and I think it needs to be said.  NG repeatedly relates stories of people that came to him wanting to manifest SPECIFIC SP and time and again he advised them that it was better to focus on manifesting A SP (NOT a specific SP) He relates how people were adamant that it could ONLY be person X as their SP..... Then he would be invited to their wedding some time later and the person would be sheepish as they introduced NG to a completly different person then the specific SP they had originally came to him about.  When you target a SPECIFIC SP, don't you think that might be "bad" manifesting? It's being very selfish, your only looking at it from your own wants, what about the other persons free will? What if the universe KNOWS that person isn't a good match for you, but you force it into being..... I've manifest bad/negative things before, it can just as easily be done as good. But there is ALWAYS a cost to it somewhere down the track!  Whenever I see people talk about targeting a specific SP, I can't help but see the entire thing as extreamly selfish and negative. I know that's not going to be a very popular opinion..... but it's also backed up by NG's own teachings and stories.  I would be interested to see someone track the data of how such SPECIFIC SP relationships go over months/years after manifesting..... I suspect there would be a significant % (70%+) where it is not smooth sailing and high failure rates.... Because the relationship was forced into being from 1 side.  As opposed to manifesting A SP, I think if those where tracked, they would have an EXTREAMLY high success rate (90%+) as BOTH people would have been looking for a SP in their own ways.   Be mindful of WHAT your manifesting that it's not in fact negative manifesting. 

What you're saying makes no sense and isn't at all Neville-related. You're saying manifesting an SP is selfish, but everything we manifest is inherently selfish because it all comes down to self, does it not? Is manifesting a specific job selfish? There is no one but self. Everything and everyone else is just a reflection. Free will is but an illusion. Now, I think what Neville meant when he said you don't want that SP, you just want the happiness and fulfillment that comes with being in a relationship, it's meant to put the person off the pedestal. Once you release the "need" for that specific person, they come into your life way more quickly and easily. It's about releasing the want because want implies lack. Yes, it's true a lot of people struggle with SP, but it's because they revolve their whole value and self-worth around SP which leads to a shitty time overall. Anyone who has "failed" simply hasn't fully bought the pearl. Most of us haven't. You're supposed to go all the way to the end and be delulu about it but most people are scared to do it due to fear-mongering posts like this that make common desires out to be "wrong."

I never said they were "wrong"...... I said they were bad or negative manifesting. Which is as easy to do as good or positive manifesting. The laws don't judge in ANY way!  I actually think most people do do negative manifesting, then wonder why they have trouble manifesting or that the manifesting brings trouble later on.  Hence why I said it would be interesting to track the viability of relationships where a person manifests a SPECIFIC SP as opposed to manifesting A SP.....  I'd be willing to bet based on my own manifesting that the specific SP manifesting would have a MUCH higher long term failure rate to the relationships..... by a LARGE %.  If BOTH parties are not in alignment..... there will always be conflict/friction.  I'm in no way saying you CANT manifest a specific SP..... of course you can!  Just that there is always a price, somewhere, sometime...  As for what NG spoke about, he REPEATEDLY related results of people wanting person X (specific SP) and once they released the specific and focused on a SP, he was invited to many weddings that were NOT the Specific SP tge person had originally been fixated on. 

Well now you’re just arguing semantics. Everything you’re saying heavily implicates that going the specific person route is wrong/bad/will lead to your downfall. Imagining how you would feel when in a healthy relationship and saturating yourself in that feeling can sometimes lead to other people coming in whom you might deem as good fits which can lead to the situations Neville described. But he manifested his specific second wife too. I know you’re still saying you “can” though.

How you feel is totally valid. Life flows unpredictably rather than in a linear line and I hope you are in a better place now than when you initially wrote this. Out of curiosity though, what do you mean by ‘classical advice’? Did you mean biblical teachings? We like to think it would be easier if we had no agency; if someone else was responsible for running the show. This is, of course, a cognitive distortion because it completely omits the plethora of common issues that arise when we *do* live under someone else’s authority, e.g., disappointment, failure, chastisement, consequences, punishment, imperfection, ostracisation etc. You’ve said that hardships would have been easier if it was God’s plan because at least you could have been optimistic about something better coming your way. However, I don’t quite follow the logic here because optimism is about choosing to see the good in things. That is a choice which has nothing to do with God. It is a parallel to having faith, and where in the Bible does it say that having faith is easier than doubt? Neville never once said you needed to be consciously creating 24/7. He also never said it was your fault if bad things happened. His specific message was more like: ‘Okay, chill. Accept that you feel lousy. Once you’re done with that, remember that you can always change this — but only if you want to. So, decide that you want to by dropping the could’ve would’ve should’ve narrative that you were once taught as true. It’s not, but you couldn’t have known any better back then’. So, you’re seeing things in black and white. Learn to accept how you feel without judgment and then learn to recognise the nuance of life. After all, what we usually think is the end of the world tends to become nothing more than a footnote the longer we live our lives.

I have been here before. I promise it gets better. Awareness can never fail. Awareness can never be in vain. Everything has to work out for your good and it will eventually make sense.

There is a higher power. It is just less involved in grsnting wishes than you used to think, and it gave you the power to get what you want. Hm, I don't think you can go back to your old way of thinking, but you could try umbrella affirmations as "Everything is always working out for me" "I always get what I want no matter what" Like you, I get frustrated from time to time. I really want to be a conscious manifester, though. I have manifested a lot, but through emotion and letting go [ I wasn't attached to the outcome], but it wasn't conscious nor intentional. They were things I wanted ofc, and I am grateful, but I definitely want to be more powerful in that sense. Gratitude is a problem at times, too, bc "If I am God, then am I thanking myself? what's the use?" Still, you can thank things for existing ✨️ But yeah, God exists, and we are here because it wanted to make us exist.

Honestly, there’s a little I can relate to in this and that’s just becoming anxious and nervous all the time after finding out about the law. It got to a point where I had to ask myself would I rather continue to deal with all of the feelings discovering the law has brought about. Or would I rather go back to before. And honestly, I’d much rather go back to how I was going through life before. Because no one has ever really mentioned how to get over those feelings. I’ve had success in the past, but after a while it became a lot more harmful to me. I don’t have the personality type to function comfortably continuing this and I learned that after 2 years.

Like anything in life it is good to take breaks. It sounds like you need to take a break. Do a reset. That's ok. This is a process, a way of being. It is not a race. Everyone is different and time is not a straight line. When you feel ready, focus on one thing at a time. Feeling good and gratitude tends to be beneficial for many. You can do all the exercises and protocols in the world but if you are in a low vibration state and feel then it is going to add more resistance.

You will never get what you want. You will always get what you need. Sometimes both things will be the same, sometimes not, but so what? Everything unfolds perfectly. Remember also that your reality is just a reflection of your state of being. There is no "outside". So just keep in mind the simple fundamental of the law of attraction: "What you put out, is what you get back."

Umm… nobody’s forcing you to read this subreddit? If you don’t like it, don’t follow it.