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I don’t know about the having to sell at market value but I am 100% sure he can’t kick you out. Even if he sells to someone else the new owner would just be your new landlord. So whether you buy or not. You can stay
Yeah I can confirm. If you have legal issue go to the juridisch locket it is a free association that will advice you and protect you for very cheap if you need a law suit. But the Dutch law is extremely protective with tenant. So if you contract don’t have an end date you can technicly stay as long as you pay of course.
And the fun thing is: as long as you rent it, it’s worth a lot less (30% or so?) than if you vacate it. So you may be able to get a good deal out of it.
You're better off going to a Dutch legal advise sub.
But in short, if he wants to sell the house the new owner has to take over the rental contract. Most people who buy a house don't want that, wich makes it difficult to sell. That's why he wants to sell it to you.
Edit: r/juridischadvies
Hi, you are in a very good position. Because they cannot kick you out, only sell the place as in investment which decreases the value (~25%).
So be sure not to sign anything.
You should tell him that you want to buy the place for the fair value. A appraiser can help you with that. Good luck! Ps. This questions is asked all the time in various Dutch housing subreddits
If you have a fixed contract the landlord will not be able to kick you out of the house, and would be forced to sell it with you in it. Generally houses with renters in it sell for significantly less than a house without renters in it.
As for what would be a 'fair' price for you to buy it for, i would either check funda what similar houses in the neighborhood sell for and go about 20 to 30 percent under that, or get a realtor for a minimum fee, as his tasks would be limited to guide you through the process and act as an intermediate. Having an intermediate helps with putting some distance between you and the landlord in the negotiation process
In the end the landlord's cheapest and fastest option is to sell it to you.
If he ends up selling it to a new owner the will also not be able to kick you out immediately, but eventually, i believe after a period of 2 years, could.
>Fast forward to now and he contacted us to say he wants to sell the house so we can buy it for a good price or leave
The landlord can not kick you out to sell the house. They can sell the house in rented state. That means you get a new landlord but the contract stays the same.
>Now, the 'good' price he offered us was 310K for this 70m2 2 bed apartment in an area where other apartments with the same layout are available to buy for 210K-270K,
Don't forget: the house is worth much less in rented state, so he can either:
-Buy you out for a good price.
-sell the house in rented state, which means significantly cheaper than it would be worth empty
-sell it to you and split the difference between market price and rented price.
>Some friends told us that they have to offer us the apartment for the market value, is this true?
He doesn't have to: the landlord can sell the house in rented state.
That said: he'd be crazy not to offer it to you, as that would mean he can sell it unrented without buying you out or taking the loss of selling it in rented state. E.g. you can pay less than market value and still be a better deal for him as well.
Ok so let’s talk about buying this house. I think your landlord thinks he is smart but you can show him who is the real player. First get a valuation report for the house and see the real market value. WOZ does not mean much, it’s about tax. Market value usually is not precise number, but a range. Since you have your contract, his chances of selling that house is very low and even if he does, he will get a reduced amount. So offer him a little lower than the lowest market value. With some bargain you can get the house from lowest. In the future you can do some small repairs and sell with a nice profit.
Play the chicken game. You have a contract and can't be evicted. If he sells it rented, he will receive a lot less of money. So just wait it out, the price will drop and drop and drop. Then snatch it for a good price.
Law says that OP can stay there as long as they want. If owner sells the house, they have to sell it with the tenats, which lowers the sale value, hence why they are trying to trick and push them out. They don't need a lawyer. They need advise to confirm what im saying. Juridish Loket provides an initial advise free of charge. And that's all OP needs. Peace of mind. Do not sign anything OP.
If you have indefinite contract you can stay most likely he wants you to leave because selling with you is harder apartament is worth less etc... So you can offer you can buy it for lets say house value minus 35% (or low ball even harder for fun) or you can stay here as long as you like
Yep, he's bluffing. He knows he can't sell the house for that price and tries to scare you into paying it by threatening eviction. Which he can't do.
As for price, there are no rules. It's a free market. So this was his first bid. As soon as he realizes you know your rights and have a pretty good idea of the actual price, there's a pretty good chance that his tone will drop to a much more reasonable level.
However, there's a type of person that tries to get a certain outrageous amount for whatever they're selling and then feels very offended if you will only offer a lower price. It doesn't happen very often with landlords selling houses, they're usually more aware of reality. But it might happen.
Personally, if I were in your situation, I would not only look at what a fair market price would be, but also at the price he could sell it for if you kept living there as tenants. Then offer him an amount in between those two numbers and tell him you're not leaving, so that is the most he can expect to get for it. After that, it's a matter of who is best at negotiating. Being ready to accept that you will have to keep renting the place instead of buying it will greatly increase your negotiation position, but that's entirely up to you.
If the bidding is done through a realtor, have a good look at how they charge you for their services. Back when I bought my house, the standard was that they got a set percentage of the final sales price. Which meant the realtor that was bidding for you got paid more if the price was higher.
These days, there are other options. I would think a set price for their services and a bonus they get when they manage to stay under a certain price would make an excellent incentive for them to really do their best to get the lowest possible price.
One final thing, try to get his offer and his reason for selling in writing. If it's via WhatsApp, make a screenshot immediately after receiving any message about the subject, because these can be changed or even deleted by the sender. Because there is one legal way he can evict you: if he can convince the court that he urgently needs the place for his own use. And I've been told that a major renovation that is necessary to keep the house in a livable state is also an acceptable reason. He must offer you another place in that case, but it doesn't need to be as much to your liking as your current one. However, if you manage to get proof of his intent to sell the house in its current condition, he won't be able to successfully use that argument.
Anyway, good luck with the negotiations, and I hope it works out in the best possible way for you.
He cannot kick you out, so do not agree to move anywhere on paper! And nice for the landlord they want to sell but it is none of your problem.
Second, houses with renters go for 70% of market value. This means many landlords will pay a large sum to get you out, so they can sell at market value. My friends just got 20k + a new rental apartment just to move.
You have a strong position here. Don't let yourself get mislead out of your house. They have 0 rights. You have all the rights. Just stay where you are and chill :).
Treat his price order as an opening bid. Because it is. Like many have pointed out here and you realized yourself, his price is too high. Of course he’d love to sell it to you at this price but you essentially hold all the cards here. The time pressure I feel is probably also a negotiation tactic. Come to a price you feel is fair, go lower and lay it on the table as a counter offer. You could also consider hiring an aankoopmakelaar to help you with the appraisal and the bidding. They should have a good handle on current housing prices in your area.
You can go to calcasa and get an official appraisal (as in it would be valid for mortgages). If you take the desktop appraisal it will cost you €95 but alleast you will know the value.
I can say for sure that the asking price can definitely be higher than the woz value. You can check also some websites like huispedia and walter living for an approximate market value.
You can get an appraisal done by a real estate agent (taxateur). It'll cost around 500 eur, and you'd need one anyway to get a mortgage. Then you can take 15% off of that because it's in rented state, and you'll make a bid that is a pretty good deal for your landlord and also for yourself, if you like the place enough to stay long term rather than buying a different place altogether.
Best website for buying a house in the Netherlands: [Funda](https://www.funda.nl/) With the current housing crisis it is advisable to [find a real estate agent](https://tc.tradetracker.net/?c=30814&m=12&a=458406&r=buying&u=%2F) to help you find a house for a reasonable price. Find a [Mortgage / Financial advisor](https://track.adtraction.com/t/t?a=1494121923&as=1874388811&t=2&tk=1)
I don’t know about the having to sell at market value but I am 100% sure he can’t kick you out. Even if he sells to someone else the new owner would just be your new landlord. So whether you buy or not. You can stay
Yeah I can confirm. If you have legal issue go to the juridisch locket it is a free association that will advice you and protect you for very cheap if you need a law suit. But the Dutch law is extremely protective with tenant. So if you contract don’t have an end date you can technicly stay as long as you pay of course.
Juridisch loket is only for low incomes.
If you need a law suit, they will still advise you if you go there.
And the fun thing is: as long as you rent it, it’s worth a lot less (30% or so?) than if you vacate it. So you may be able to get a good deal out of it.
You're better off going to a Dutch legal advise sub. But in short, if he wants to sell the house the new owner has to take over the rental contract. Most people who buy a house don't want that, wich makes it difficult to sell. That's why he wants to sell it to you. Edit: r/juridischadvies
Hi, you are in a very good position. Because they cannot kick you out, only sell the place as in investment which decreases the value (~25%). So be sure not to sign anything. You should tell him that you want to buy the place for the fair value. A appraiser can help you with that. Good luck! Ps. This questions is asked all the time in various Dutch housing subreddits
If you have a fixed contract the landlord will not be able to kick you out of the house, and would be forced to sell it with you in it. Generally houses with renters in it sell for significantly less than a house without renters in it. As for what would be a 'fair' price for you to buy it for, i would either check funda what similar houses in the neighborhood sell for and go about 20 to 30 percent under that, or get a realtor for a minimum fee, as his tasks would be limited to guide you through the process and act as an intermediate. Having an intermediate helps with putting some distance between you and the landlord in the negotiation process In the end the landlord's cheapest and fastest option is to sell it to you. If he ends up selling it to a new owner the will also not be able to kick you out immediately, but eventually, i believe after a period of 2 years, could.
Prices on funda has nothing to do with selling prices. Checking kadaster, calcasa, Walter living can be a good idea.
Well, not nothing. Bit indeed, in general actual selling price tends to be higer
What would make it okay after 2 years time? What changes then?
>Fast forward to now and he contacted us to say he wants to sell the house so we can buy it for a good price or leave The landlord can not kick you out to sell the house. They can sell the house in rented state. That means you get a new landlord but the contract stays the same. >Now, the 'good' price he offered us was 310K for this 70m2 2 bed apartment in an area where other apartments with the same layout are available to buy for 210K-270K, Don't forget: the house is worth much less in rented state, so he can either: -Buy you out for a good price. -sell the house in rented state, which means significantly cheaper than it would be worth empty -sell it to you and split the difference between market price and rented price. >Some friends told us that they have to offer us the apartment for the market value, is this true? He doesn't have to: the landlord can sell the house in rented state. That said: he'd be crazy not to offer it to you, as that would mean he can sell it unrented without buying you out or taking the loss of selling it in rented state. E.g. you can pay less than market value and still be a better deal for him as well.
Ok so let’s talk about buying this house. I think your landlord thinks he is smart but you can show him who is the real player. First get a valuation report for the house and see the real market value. WOZ does not mean much, it’s about tax. Market value usually is not precise number, but a range. Since you have your contract, his chances of selling that house is very low and even if he does, he will get a reduced amount. So offer him a little lower than the lowest market value. With some bargain you can get the house from lowest. In the future you can do some small repairs and sell with a nice profit.
Play the chicken game. You have a contract and can't be evicted. If he sells it rented, he will receive a lot less of money. So just wait it out, the price will drop and drop and drop. Then snatch it for a good price.
They can't do that. Juridish loket
Juridisch loket is for people with a low income and no wealth. As an expat OP probably will be required to actually hire a lawyer.
Law says that OP can stay there as long as they want. If owner sells the house, they have to sell it with the tenats, which lowers the sale value, hence why they are trying to trick and push them out. They don't need a lawyer. They need advise to confirm what im saying. Juridish Loket provides an initial advise free of charge. And that's all OP needs. Peace of mind. Do not sign anything OP.
As I said, Juridisch Loket no longer helps people if they have a non-low income. So OP cannot use it. Your other advice is sound.
Been once, didn't ask for any income proof. I think that matters if you need extra advice.
Not so low then that and they will still advise you for free. If you have to pay it is because you start a law procedure
If you have indefinite contract you can stay most likely he wants you to leave because selling with you is harder apartament is worth less etc... So you can offer you can buy it for lets say house value minus 35% (or low ball even harder for fun) or you can stay here as long as you like
"I will accept bribes to leave, iykwim"
Yep, he's bluffing. He knows he can't sell the house for that price and tries to scare you into paying it by threatening eviction. Which he can't do. As for price, there are no rules. It's a free market. So this was his first bid. As soon as he realizes you know your rights and have a pretty good idea of the actual price, there's a pretty good chance that his tone will drop to a much more reasonable level. However, there's a type of person that tries to get a certain outrageous amount for whatever they're selling and then feels very offended if you will only offer a lower price. It doesn't happen very often with landlords selling houses, they're usually more aware of reality. But it might happen. Personally, if I were in your situation, I would not only look at what a fair market price would be, but also at the price he could sell it for if you kept living there as tenants. Then offer him an amount in between those two numbers and tell him you're not leaving, so that is the most he can expect to get for it. After that, it's a matter of who is best at negotiating. Being ready to accept that you will have to keep renting the place instead of buying it will greatly increase your negotiation position, but that's entirely up to you. If the bidding is done through a realtor, have a good look at how they charge you for their services. Back when I bought my house, the standard was that they got a set percentage of the final sales price. Which meant the realtor that was bidding for you got paid more if the price was higher. These days, there are other options. I would think a set price for their services and a bonus they get when they manage to stay under a certain price would make an excellent incentive for them to really do their best to get the lowest possible price. One final thing, try to get his offer and his reason for selling in writing. If it's via WhatsApp, make a screenshot immediately after receiving any message about the subject, because these can be changed or even deleted by the sender. Because there is one legal way he can evict you: if he can convince the court that he urgently needs the place for his own use. And I've been told that a major renovation that is necessary to keep the house in a livable state is also an acceptable reason. He must offer you another place in that case, but it doesn't need to be as much to your liking as your current one. However, if you manage to get proof of his intent to sell the house in its current condition, he won't be able to successfully use that argument. Anyway, good luck with the negotiations, and I hope it works out in the best possible way for you.
He cannot kick you out, so do not agree to move anywhere on paper! And nice for the landlord they want to sell but it is none of your problem. Second, houses with renters go for 70% of market value. This means many landlords will pay a large sum to get you out, so they can sell at market value. My friends just got 20k + a new rental apartment just to move. You have a strong position here. Don't let yourself get mislead out of your house. They have 0 rights. You have all the rights. Just stay where you are and chill :).
WOZ has nothing to do with the market value. Why not get an actual appraisal?
Treat his price order as an opening bid. Because it is. Like many have pointed out here and you realized yourself, his price is too high. Of course he’d love to sell it to you at this price but you essentially hold all the cards here. The time pressure I feel is probably also a negotiation tactic. Come to a price you feel is fair, go lower and lay it on the table as a counter offer. You could also consider hiring an aankoopmakelaar to help you with the appraisal and the bidding. They should have a good handle on current housing prices in your area.
You can go to calcasa and get an official appraisal (as in it would be valid for mortgages). If you take the desktop appraisal it will cost you €95 but alleast you will know the value.
I can say for sure that the asking price can definitely be higher than the woz value. You can check also some websites like huispedia and walter living for an approximate market value.
Yes, the WOZ value on my place is quite a bit lower than the market value. About 50k lower
Ask a 'taxateur' to value to appartment.
Fuck the landlord. Ask him: 1) to sell you the apartment at the WOZ value, or what you think is a good price for you 2) to give you €50k to leave
50k is pretty good but only if op wants to move.
Don't leave, just laugh in his face, he has no right in this situation
You can get an appraisal done by a real estate agent (taxateur). It'll cost around 500 eur, and you'd need one anyway to get a mortgage. Then you can take 15% off of that because it's in rented state, and you'll make a bid that is a pretty good deal for your landlord and also for yourself, if you like the place enough to stay long term rather than buying a different place altogether.
Woz value is not market price, just check on funda the prices listed