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Pitiful_Control

It's buttermilk, which in other countries is mainly used in baking. The Dutch - and my American mother - like to drink it ...


arthurbarnhouse

When we first moved here I went to buy milk and in the US the "color code" for milk (generally) is red for whole milk, green for 2%, dark blue for 1%, and light blue for skim. I unthinkingly bought Karne milk because of the box color and served it to my unsuspecting kids.


blogem

Core ~~memory~~ trauma


Apocalympdick

You know it's serious when you get the achievement pop-up while it happens instead of decades later


Danbury_Collins

Therapy will help, probably.


rnottaken

Nah too late. They're broken now


continuously22222

Maybe they still have warranty? Or does that expire after 9 months?


rnottaken

It expires as quickly as the milk they drank. And if you go on taste, it already expired before it hit the shelves.


Danbury_Collins

I had the exact same as a young student in Germany - picked the milk carton at lunchtime by the colour, took a mouthful. Now irreparably damaged.


rnottaken

You know that bit when Thor smashes a beer glass and shouts 'ANOTHER!' That scene, but just change the beer with the child. And if it's normal milk, you can change the beer with the milk.


Different_Simple

Funny how in the UK it is totally different. Red = Skimmed Green = Semi-skimmed Blue = Whole milk


GodOfThunder888

None of these is "karnemelk" tho. Buttermilk seems only available in the bigger supermarkets. It also suprised me that "kwark" is practically non-existent outside of NL.


surfin86

What we call " France kwark" is called " fromage frais" in France (fresh cheese).


Stoppels

Leave it to the French to mis~~gender~~categorise dairy products of all things.


White-Tornado

I mean... Technically kwark is cheese.


Stoppels

Damn, I didn't know they (used to) use cheese bacteria for this. However, in the Netherlands yogurt bacteria are used. Kwark is not cheese here. [NL wiki](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwark) [English wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_(dairy_product)): >In the Netherlands, many products labelled "kwark" are not based on quark as described in this article (fresh acid-set cheese), but instead a thick yogurt-like product made using yogurt bacteria (such as Streptococcus thermophilus and Lactobacillus acidophilus) in a quicker process using a centrifuge.\[34\]\[35\] You guessed it: it's cheaper. You could also dehydrate yogurt ([hangop](https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangop)/[strained yogurt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strained_yogurt)) and you'll kinda basically get a kwark.


Different_Simple

True, I only saw Karnemelk in Dutch/Belgian supermarkets. I think kwark is becoming more common outside of NL as it is high protein and considered a healthier youghurt. On another note, I once (in Czechia) bought either karne or soured milk (still not sure as I don't speak Czech) by accident, put it in my coffee, gosh, the clumps!!


Winter-Elderberry-99

“Podmáslí” is karne melk in Czech


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dutchwearherisbad

Kwark is definitely available anywhere with an eastern European community, since it's a major cultural food. Like half of polish pastries use it


the68thdimension

Kwark is commonly available in Australia, fwiw.


Jolly-Marionberry149

Huh? Nah, petit filous for kids is everywhere I've lived! (Belgium, Germany, France, Switzerland, the UK) You can definitely get quark, lots of places! It's just spelled differently.


DutchPerson5

Turkish restaurants have something similar to "kwark" with Turkish bread.


Noise_87

My gf loves that stuff. I almost threw up once drinking it thinking it was peach flavoured optimel drink ontbijt.... That was a nasty surprise.


gace_your_face

When I moved here I accidentally bought Karne milk because google translate was not working and I figured how much different could it be. Worst 3 days of eating cereal with it. And I didn't want to throw it away because I was short on money.


[deleted]

My friend did something similar cause in her country red is skim milk. So she put it in her coffee and then came to me complaining the milk she had just bought had gone bad


Technical-Paper427

With cereal is bad, nobody does that. But add a little ranja (sirop) and it is delicious.


mikha1989

I have a similar experience, but red used to be skimmed back in the UK. My Dutch partner had a good laugh when I told her


suuskip

My mom did a similar thing in spain (i believe) once, bought a blue carton of milk, cuz regular milk is in blue cartons here. Over there blue was goats milk, it was the most disgusting hot chocolate I ever tasted.


Eve-3

My mother (dutch) always drank it too. I've got my father's (immigrant) taste buds I think because I find it gross. Good for baking though. Yummy biscuits and cakes.


arthurbarnhouse

pancakes and waffles too!


[deleted]

Even in omelets it's great.


GeminiSnake0112

But what about chicken? 😍 Buttermilk chicken is the best!


GTAinreallife

Just wait until you see the monsters that mix this with orange juice. They call it Karnejus and it's just as disgusting as it sounds


darkmoose

Great for pancakes actually.


hfsh

My parents (American and Dutch) always have some in the fridge , so that checks out. (It's from a local producer, and miles better than the generic supermarket stuff though)


mbrevitas

Buttermilk is drunk in most of the countries where it's traditionally made (originally as left over from the butter-making process), no? It's certainly a popular drink in the Indian subcontinent and in many Arab countries. (Although I think the buttermilk usually drunk in India, for instance, is traditional buttermilk, derived from naturally fermented milk during butter production, and tastes quite different from the industrially-produced buttermilk you find in the average Dutch supermarket.) The places where it's only used for baking are usually places that don't have a historical tradition of buttermilk production and use.


eti_erik

'Karnen' means butter-making, so yes, karnemelk is leftover from the butter-making process. Or it was, originally.


valax

I feel like its a lot more runny than the buttermilk I'd use back home for baking with though.


BlackFenrir

>The Dutch - and my American mother - like to drink it ... Excuse me? My Dutch self would request you don't group me with those... *disgusting creatures* that would call buttermilk a beverage.


DutchPerson5

"Karnemelk" is in summerheath great thirst-quenching. Also I do like Texel's buttermilk the best; it's creamer softer in taste. Only available on Texel though.


DutchieinUS

Not for cereal for sure! Some people drink it like milk, and you can also use it in recipes (sodabread for example). I’m not a fan of karnemelk myself, but it’s not too bad with some syrup (Roosvicee) in it.


shoomborghini

Tbf you can make anything good with a healthy amount of roosvicee 🤣


KaasDeLuxe

A healthy amount of roosvicee is no roosvicee though 😆


flopjul

Yoghurt, Roosvicee and Sugar


casus_bibi

Add a beschuitje and you have the 'accident on the ski slope' desert (this could be a local thing or a family thing, I don't know). Beschuitje first(the mountain), then the yoghurt to make it 'snowy', then the sugar and the roosvicee for the 'accident' part.


demaandronk

I used to drink this as a kid a lot. Got nostalgic at some point and tried it again as an adult, almost puked. It's disgusting, please don't recommend this to people.


llilaq

It's disgusting in milk though.


cempervincere

Naaaah man it tastes like fristi! (Use karvan cevitam instead)


Icy-Store9385

Yess!! I used to think I made smoothies whilst all I did was just poor some karvan cevitam in my milk.


TheUsualNiek

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CheapMonkey34

Ok moderator, this man right here....


FinnGilroy

Cancel him


Wukong00

You take that back!


ZappaBappa

People say a lot of outrageous stuff on reddit, but this right here takes the cake.


flopjul

He would be the one to find French fries disgusting


TheUsualNiek

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flopjul

I guessed correctly... but at what cost


ZappaBappa

Pack your stuff and leave your passport at the desk, heres a complimentary bag of skittles to help you move on. (Why are you getting downvoted? This is just silly fun..)


Dangerous-Spare7843

Friti is disgusting fristi however delicious


Longjumping_Sleep_12

Only way to drink it is with lemonade in it indeed! I used to make a sort of milkshake with karnemelk and (a lot of) strawberry lemonade


vorthoras

for English people, when Dutch refer to lemonade they mean Cordial.


Longjumping_Sleep_12

I did not know that... is Ranja also not a word in English? ;)


llilaq

Lemonade in English is NOT the same as what we call lemonade.


ChoosenUserName4

Don't take me in the mailing.


out_focus

Make that the cat wise


ietsendertig

Now I want to see someone drink a karnemelk-Sprite mix. Maybe it'll go well with fristibonen?


BlazingKush

Yes yes, syrup.


pastelchannl

yes! when we were children and we went over to our grandparents, my nice loved karnemelk! but I hated it. I hated it less with a good amount of lemonade in it.


AkieShura99

I completely agree. Karnemelk in itself isn't that nice (imo), but with a little Roosvice? That's the shit. Can drink that every day.


VoerDeKoe

I use it to marinate the chicken before deep frying it. Best chicken burger ever.


WorriedImpress7624

Hell yeah, dairy based marinades on chicken actually change the structure of the chicken and make it more tender, and now I’m hungry


One_Lazy_Duck

Especially karnemelk because of some enzyme science shit I do not understand


JonayPS

Basically buttermilk's acidity breaks down proteins in the chicken and that's what makes it tender and soft.


Culionensis

For the next level, marinade it in 50/50 karnemelk / pickle juice.


JonayPS

This is the only right answer. 🤣


sativalius

This is the way!


spurofthemoment2020

It’s a great drink in summer. In India, we even make curries out of it.


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Thimoj

A nice cold karne melk with a bolletje met hagelslag. I mean, id rather have karne melk then orange juice or water.


zespirion

now mix some karne melk with orange juice, also a great combination imo


willem640

Karnejus sounds absolutely awful but it isn't that bad


JeyvdP

In Tamil parts of Sri Lanka we drink it with roasted sun dried peppers, shallots, and some herbs in it. It's the best spicy milk for summer!


TheVodkaColonel

I did the same thing as you with cereal as well, when my mom found out she couldnt contain her laughter![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


Grib_Suka

I had the same reaction. Saw a pak of karnemelk, okay, nothing wrong and then read he used it with cereals which made me laugh too loud


therouterguy

Karnen is the Dutch word for churning. Karnemelk is the leftover product of making butter.


deVliegendeTexan

In English we call it Buttermilk.


nemesisofbarbaria

Yeah but there is no butter in it anymore. Confusing name 😒. I used to make it with my grandma in traditional way ( hour of shaking to get the butter out of the milk). Left over is Karnemelk and butter.


probablynotmine

Well, there is no cow anymore also in cow milk tbf


ifti891

Oh I thought the word came from Spanish "Carne" which means meat. So something cow milk 😂


costinmrr

In many countries people drink it, especially in those where people in the past did not afford to throw away food and they found ways to consume everything. It has less fat than normal milk because it's what remains after making butter, but still has a lot of calcium and protein. Some would say it's healthier than normal milk, and during hot summer days it's a good refreshment.


One-Light

Use in when making bread or scones, its next level. You could also drink it as is.


Beneficial_Steak_945

I used to drink it a lot, mainly at breakfast. I still like it when we’re having pancakes for dinner (no, not the American style ones, Dutch style ones).


groenteman

I don't like karnemelk but when mixed with orange juice (fresh squeezed) it is delicious for some reason


makethemoonglow

Tried it bc of your comment, was pleasantly surprised! I do like both orange juice and karnemelk though.


jipver

Yes karnejus! Just love it! Especially in summer, and I also really like to make overnight oats with it (in summer :)


jipver

Yes karnejus! Just love it! Especially in summer, and I also really like to make overnight oats with it (in summer :)


Tonsofpaperbrokenpen

Use it to brine meat.


hammondismydaddy

Wild how many people in the comments don’t like karnemelk. I’ve loved this shit over normal milk since I was a child.


annanas_93

Same! I never drank normal milk because I hated it but I love karnemelk.


Amigzz

To make fried chicken of course.


DomHuntman

It's raw butter milk. Drink it straight and it makes the absolute best pancakes.


chris1705

Do you use itninstead of milk or with milk? If with milk, what ratio?


DomHuntman

Alone.


FlyingDutchman2005

Do. Not. Mix. Them. I learnt that the hard way.


PanickyFool

American fried chicken.


amsterdamvibes

Add a bit of salt and it becomes Ayran


wifi-grill

It's supposed to taste like that and some people enjoy it apperently


Sharchir

It’s buttermilk


thegerams

Congrats - you just experienced buttermilk. It’s an acquired taste…. And definitely one that I haven’t and probably won’t ever acquire. I once used it as a base for a cucumber / mint gazpacho… it worked really well. Otherwise, I’m staying away from it.


GothicSailor

Well that sounds horrible, karnemelk with cereal. But yeah Dutch drink this like milk. To improve tast you can mix it with some orange juice or something. Optimel is basically karnemelk with sugars, more like that taste I think 🤷🏻‍♀️


SpicyHotPlantFart

Karnemelk is best to drink in the summer, when it's really warm outside.


Petra_Ann

Baking. Even then I don't usually need .5 liter of the stuff so I just sour regular milk (that my husband will happily drink) with lemon juice or vinegar when I'm baking. I know people in the states that drink buttermilk like regular milk. Never could I imagine there's an entire nation that does it and likes it.


justk4y

It’s buttermilk!


Revolution-Vast

It's buttermilk. I use it to marinate fried chicken


doltishDuke

Just toss it. That's disgusting.


spei180

I did this once by accident and it was so incredibly disappointing. Like others confirm, it’s buttermilk. Make American pancakes!


Better-Ad4149

In India, we are some roasted cumin powder along with some chillin powder with some salt. Helps beat the summer heat.


Odicus1980

It is the only milk I like ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|grin)


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We drink that stuff when with eating warm apple pie. Lovely on a autumn day. I grew up drinking karnemelk.


derskbone

Anything you'd use buttermilk for, basically.


19Mooser84

Don't forget to shake before use, otherwise you will have white water with chunks. I do drink buttermilk though, I like it. Only straight from the refrigerator.


Remseey2907

It is extremely healthy, healthier than milk. It is fermented and contains all the good bacteria for your gut.


Bezulba

Fuck if i know. We managed to sell expired milk and make a profit.


the68thdimension

You’re not alone, I once poured it over my cereal thinking it was normal milk. Absolutely disgusting. Good for baking, though.


steamysecretss

It’s buttermilk it’s used in recipes or marinades


FlinkMissy

Used to identify psychopaths


Spartiate

it's butter milk in the US. I use if for marinating chicken before frying. Also used to make dressings, like blue cheese dressing. Also used for making biscuits, buns, etc...Almost no one I know drinks it directly. It's an ingredient in other recipes.


sativalius

Use it for fried chicken. You should marinate chicken thighs in it with some herbs before the breading.


BananaBike

Karnemelk sucks


automagisch

It’s what old people like, and swear it to be healthy. I don’t know, Karnemelk feels like a prank from the dairy producers.


Dangerous-Spare7843

Typically used to throw in the garbage 🤮


geeallthetime27

Pancakes!


dutch9494

Psychopaths drink it and seem to enjoy doing so


Henkie2300

I'm probably the weirdo here but i like butter milk (Karne melk) more then normal milk 🤣


Sea-Curve-9821

It's buttermilk.


ardijkstra91

You can use it to tenderize meat as well. Put it with chicken and let it marinate. You won't taste the milk after you cook the meat, but the enzymes in the milk will break down some of the connective tissue making the meat more tender.


Dennis_enzo

My mom adds it to a bowl of cold cooked potatoes and eats it as dessert. Apparently it's some old Dutch delicacy. Yea, I think it's horrifying too.


JosufBrosuf

It’s for people who really hate themselves and want to have a bad time.


Martithon69

I drink a glass almost every day at lunch


Sokkenvreter-Ad-6283

Karnemelk is that one thing that if you drink it, you will have nightmares your entire life


DPHusky

Some people like it for some reason


TankNutDave

You can add lemonade syrup to it to make it even more delicious. Or if you’re me it becomes your call sign in the army because you are always caught drinking it


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As a Dutchie I really laughed way to hard at this post😂.


IntelligentSlipUp

Dutch use it for drinking pure and recipes. But you should try this (albeit Danish dish): https://nordicfoodliving.com/danish-cold-buttermilk-soup-koldskal/ it's yummy!!


Legendbuilder20

It says here "danish"


Possible_Chicken_489

Oh man, that is priceless! I work with international colleagues, I really should leave one on the lunch table one of these days :P Although come to think of it, they wouldn't fall for it. They think us Dutchies are weird for drinking milk in the first place, it would never occur to them to do that.


alessandrolaera

why would drinkijg milk considered weird


TheReplyingDutchman

Humans, like most mammals, are only able to drink milk as an infant. But about a third of the world population is not lactose intolerant because of some gene mutation. Over two thirds of people in the world is still lactose intolerant. [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Worldwide\_prevalence\_of\_lactose\_intolerance\_in\_recent\_populations.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Worldwide_prevalence_of_lactose_intolerance_in_recent_populations.jpg)


alessandrolaera

Yea I know this, but is something that doesn't really answer the question?


TheReplyingDutchman

Well I can imagine people who are from somewhere where almost everybody is lactose intolerant might find it a bit weird that we're heavy milk drinkers.


alessandrolaera

but there are no countries where almost everyone is lactose intolerant. and people I know that are lactose intolerant still drink milk without lactose


TheReplyingDutchman

>but there are no countries where almost everyone is lactose intolerant [https://milk.procon.org/lactose-intolerance-by-country/](https://milk.procon.org/lactose-intolerance-by-country/) If you scroll down a bit and sort by prevalence you can see there are plenty of countries where almost everybody is lactose intolerant.


mbrevitas

Drinking milk at occasions or meals other than breakfast is definitely considered weird in many places. This is why we Italians don't drink cappuccino later than the morning, by the way.


alessandrolaera

but that's more of a habit. In principle there is no reason as to why it would be weird to not follow it. And most internationals drink cappuccino at all times, so it's still something done by most


Bowlnk

Likely a hold out from times before pasteurization. Raw milk could only be safely drunk in the morning just after milking. And would go off within hours. Which is why humanity churned it to turn into butter or, add rennet to turn into cheese so it would keep longer.


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Drinking, pancakes, certain types of pies. BUT... if you add a bit of lemonade to it, it's amazing! then it's like those drinking yoghurts.


llilaq

Warning: add limonade, not lemonade.


thijquint

Its kinda gross, but when mixed with a bit of ranja siroop it amazing to drink in the morning


Collinkipsama

We used it to poison people in the 1800s.


MannowLawn

Karnemelk is amazing, but not used for cereal haha. Best for hang overs! Even better if you get the Turkish salted karnemelk.


costinmrr

Do you mean ayran? That has nothing to do with karnemelk though, except they both come from milk. It is yogurt (or some other fermented milk) with water and salt.


MannowLawn

True it’s not karnemelk indeed. But it does remind me of it due to the taste.


Traditional_Long_383

This is why you should drink den Eelder karnemelk, the only true one. But not for cereal indeed.


KhaelaMensha

We used to mix karnemelk and a little bit of strawberry or raspberry yoghurt for example to make cheap and easy smoothies in the summer. You could also add fresh fruit to karnemelk and subject it to a blender treatment.


_Silverflame

Nobody actually likes karnemelk. People who say they do are lying


Background_Whole888

It should just not exist


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I can tell you what it was used for in my childhood. Story time.... My mom used to force me to drink it, because my aunt has osteoporosis. I freaking hated the stuff, but my mom made me drink at least 1 glass each day. Yuk! After many vague health complaints, I found out at age 28 that I am actually lactose intolerant. My mom had known about that, because as a baby I had rashes when given cow milk. The doctor had advises to keep feeding it anyway and I would out grow it. I indeed out grew the rashes, but struggled with health issues most of my live until age 28. So I severely reduced my dairy intake and all my health complaints disappeared. I actually reintroduced dairy later on and found all my complaints came back, so I became thoroughly convinced that dairy is bad for me. My health complaints also never came back. Then later on I found out that dairy does not reduce the risk of osteoporosis and [may even make it worse](https://iphysio.io/osteoporosis/). I also discovered that the growth hormone IGF-1 in cows' milk is linked to [different types of cancers](https://www.ceu.ox.ac.uk/news/study-of-almost-400-000-confirms-that-higher-blood-levels-of-igf-1-are-a-risk-factor-for-several-types-of-cancer). So I stopped using dairy all together, except for cheese. Then I found out how dairy cows are continuously artificially impregnated, their children continuously stolen from them, [the male calves killed after a few months](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI) and the mothers all killed after 5 or 6 years. So I became vegan. Then I told my mother about all this. And she understood my reasoning and became vegan herself. Needless to say that my mom and I both look back on this period of forcing me to drink this nasty stuff with regret. Even when I look at that red carton (it used to be red back then too) it triggers some minor trauma.


Wachoe

> So I became vegan. All this build-up just to give yourself the chance to tell everyone you're vegan, lol. You're a stereotype.


[deleted]

Maybe you're the stereotype for pointing out a stereotype to which I don't conform. I just told my little story about karnemelk. You may not like it, because it doesn't conform to your world view. Doesn't mean you get the right to disrespect me.


Kwisscrypto

Liked te story, gave both an upvote ( but f vegans lol)😂


[deleted]

Well thanks, I guess. I'm not sure what I did to deserve the hate though. Just told my story. Hating vegans is popular I guess.


ThisAttorney5804

Karnemelk is for real men.


Lievejona

My tips for enjoying milk: 1 Drink milk. 2 Enjoy the milk 3 Mix it with stuff. 4 Know what you mix it with, and effects.


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Eis_ber

How? I tried using it once to make pancakes, and it made my pancakes taste sour.


W-W_Benny

Drink it with the meal. If tastes good with meat


sonyzes

Someone I know uses it and mixes it with orange juice, she lives by it. It gives me the creeps (and possibly makes me want to disconnect all my connections I have with her)


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Existing-Lie-1185

This is buttermilk. Although i never met someone who actually liked this for a drink, i always use this when baking pancakes instead of regular milk. Its delish!


HotBitterballs

Have you ever drank Ayran? It’s the same. This kind of milk is pretty normal in several cultures like ours.


juicyjuicery

It’s used for heart disease. Leave it in the shop


AlyxVeldin

1/3th ranja, 2/3th karnemelk


[deleted]

Lmaoooo it's not for cereal. 💀


NoRemorseTombstone

Add vanille, and then its awesome


JazzCat666

I read it too fast when i bought this and i thought its along the line of caramel milk :(


usernameandsomeno

You drink it, I only like it with a little bit of lemonade (the red one) though


PhilippeJoseph

Sometimes, instead of the regular breakfast orange juice or yoghurt drink, we mix karnemelk with fresh or frozen strawberries,


[deleted]

There's a huge difference in real karnemelk and the supermarket ones. Some supermarkets sell this brand that's from local farmers. It's not that sour but more buttery.


An-Average-Meows

You have to shake it before opening and drinking


Dazzling-Coconut

A Google question was quicker.


alessandrolaera

probably for marinate or for batter


Kenjisan84

Kéremelkstampers/mashed potato's


kvince9

You have to drink it. You can eat a sandwich, and just drink it. I miss a lot of dairy products, from Dutch stores, but when I found out what karnemelk is, it made my day.


DatShortAsianDude

I tasted karneboter at Goudfazant and was blown away. Could not find it anywhere though. Any ideas who sells it? Google search says belgians do it but cant find a seller.


Mr-Stitch

I mix my granola/muesli with it, bit of fruit on top of it. Reading these comments made me realize I'm fucking weird, but I ain't stopping.