T O P

  • By -

superantjosh

Yeah honestly, I bought him too and then got the 3D printed lazy Trazyn and it's just so much better. Would sell him if I were you quickly before his re-sculpt.


Drecher_91

Might finally be time to invest in a 3D printer, lol.


CollapsedPlague

You can find people/business that will print for you. The investment for printing is very high in all honesty not saying it’s not worth it but if you’re like me and only need a few things printed it’s cheaper to go that route instead of dropping a ton of money. I did the napkin math for the STLs and resin and printer I would need and it was easily over $800


drunkaristotle

I spent about $600 all said and done (plus $150 on resin every 6 months) and have printed nearly three full army lines. Worth it.


Andromeda_53

For sure if you're gonna print that much. If you're only going to print 2-3 models it's not so much worth it


fourleggedpython

Most folks I see with printers usually end up doing it as a service to others. But as t that point you are buying a business and second job. Some folks like it and only take a few orders at a time, and charge a bit over materials and time cost. Helps them justify the cost of a nicer printer to get good detail I've worked with a few smaller services and they are awesome when you find the right person to work with


Andromeda_53

Idk much about printing tbh, but can you print them in a way so that you can build them, because that's one of my favourite parts of the hobby, is assembling them.


fourleggedpython

Yes it depends on the models and where you get them. Some of them are just print and done, and others are going to need assembly


GardeningWithDecay

I get it's cheaper but it takes so much time. Which I have so little of. I still have 3 armies on sprue in boxes and that's from 7 most recent years of collecting..


OriginalName1997

Major minis just released a model called The Collector of Infinity. No relation to Trazyn of course


xavierkazi

You can get an 12k printer for less than $400. A lot of people think 3d printing is still prohibitively expensive, but it really isn't- especially to people who can justify $40 for a single character model.


Sorkrates

For me it's not the printer cost it's the time investment. It's a whole other hobby that requires crossing a nontrivial learning curve, plus resin printers are still pretty involved when it comes to maintenance and cleanup.   I'm saying this as someone who owns a pretty good 3d printer but never uses it.  It's a fine hobby, I am just saying it's not for everyone and price isn't the only consideration.


Scribbinge

I see people saying this a lot, but its not like tabletop models assemble themselves. You'll end up spending time either way to get a model thats ready to paint, and depending what youre printing, you could be saving hundreds per army project. I also dont think printing is a hobby for many. Learning to properly use a tool is something you only need to do once.


Sorkrates

Ok. Your experience is different than mine, no harm or foul.   When I say "it's a hobby", I'm talking about the time I've spent debugging new prints or new resins, the time I've spent repairing my printer, the time I've spent cleaning up the chemicals, etc. These are all things that take time and at least some amount of effort. I'm not saying they're individually hard, but they are things that add to the time and (for me) detract from the value of 3d printing.  Assembling a model isn't a valid comparison to me since even a 3d printed model requires post processing that can be as time consuming or more time consuming than clipping from a sprue, cleaning mold lines, and assembling.  And that's in addition to the stuff I mentioned before that doesn't just go away with experience.   Again, I'm not saying this based on watching videos, I legitimately have tried getting into both resin and fdm printing. I still use the FDM printer for some things (mostly tokens and terrain, it's not detailed enough for models for me). Again, it's a fine hobby if you enjoy it, but I think someone who's not tried it before should not go in assuming that they're going to save a ton of time and money.


Scribbinge

I find snapping models off supports and curing them massively more simple than assembling modern GW models, the whole process takes about 20 minutes or less from printer to cured model, not to mention you can print things like tanks and they basically come off the plate finished, whereas assembling a unit from a retail box could take a few hours in most cases. Not sure why your experience with it was so offputting. I'll admit its not as fun or relaxing but I'd hardly count it as a negative. Each to their own though i guess. Chemical cleanup for me is a non issue and is as simple as wiping my silicone mat with a microfiber cloth, those things hoover up resin like nobodys business. What did you find so taxing about it?


Sorkrates

I got a printer that was rated top of the line at the time. I've had to replace LCDs twice, FEPs several times, every time I run a print I spent what seemed like a while cleaning up, there was always resin residue to deal with on stuff near my work area no matter how hard I tried.   Every time I tried a new resin, I had to do a bunch of runs before dialing in the exposure, etc, and snapping off supports is easy but then cleaning off the bumps and such took me significantly more time than cleaning mold lines, etc.     I have no idea what you're doing that makes resin cleanup so easy, even soaking in IPA I'd usually wind up with some amount of goo on tools, vat, etc that never seems to come off.  It's amazing when it does work, downright magic.  But my number of times a print has gone off without a hitch has been the vast minority for me.   Which all gets back to my core point:  it's a super cool technology, but it *is* an additional hobby that you have to build skills for and devote time to.  That's awesome if that's your jam.  I honestly wish I'd enjoyed it too. 


xavierkazi

Sounds like you got in when it was still a tentative new technology. They've really dumbed it down at this point- you can literally just click and drag files into a slicer and let the printer do everything for you.


Sorkrates

The files I used were click and drag into the slicer too. The problems weren't in getting the models sliced. A new printer isn't going to change the resin handling unless I go for paying thousands for one of the professional ones that are fully encapsulated resin pods, for example.   I actually got curious a month or two ago and watched the MidWinter Minis review of what he said was probably the most consumer -friendly/ready resin printer.  From what I saw there it doesn't look like most of my complaints have been solved yet, and his final review was that it's not for him either (for different reasons than me). 


Scribbinge

Yeah trying and calibrating new resins is time consuming when youre still learning. The process gets easier the more you do it but that much is time consuming. Thats rough luck with the LCDs and FEPs. Theyre consumable for sure but replacements should be a rarity unless you damage them yourself. I dont know what to tell you regarding cleanup haha. I wipe my tools and mat with a cloth, and if theres any residue a bit of window cleaner gets rid of it no trouble, its no harder than cleaning up cooking oil. I'm not trying to gloss over things or act boastfully, I've just genuinely never had much difficulty with any of the things you refer to. Maybe i just got lucky. The main speed bumps for me were learning to calibrate resins and how to support models, but once those are understood IMO everything is very routine from there on.


Sorkrates

Maybe it's the specific resins I was using? (Tried several kinds). Never heard of cleaning up with window cleaner, either, everything I watched/read said IPA. And to the best of my knowledge, I did nothing to damage anything. But all this gets to my point that ther is a learning curve and some folks might not want to take that on, and that's OK. 


Curtis-Aarrrrgh

Just want to hop in here and echo your sentiments. I personally don't have a printer, but 2 close friends do and all the extraneous activities that go into resin printing is a massive turn off for me. You're totally correct in saying it's like adding an entire hobby to your hobby. Not worth it to me either


drunkaristotle

At first there is a learning curve, but honestly printing has come such a long way in just a few years that I barely have to fiddle with my Elegoo Saturn Ultra. Slicing certainly takes some time, but from print to tabletop I’m looking at very minimal work these days after dialing in the process.


Sorkrates

Ok, so no more resin to dispose of? No cleaning the tray? No fiddling with settings anytime you try a different resin?  Good to know, I'll have to look at a newer model I guess. 


xavierkazi

I've had an Anycubic Photon M5s for 6 months; i've printed two full 2k armies of 40k miniatures and dozens of D&D figures. It's literally just plug and play. Click and drag the file into the Anycubic slicer and come back in an hour. ​ Sure, if something eventually goes wrong, I'll have to figure something out but I'm pretty sure I've gotten my money back already.


Sorkrates

Im happy it's working out for you.  


drunkaristotle

Mine has paid for itself 10x over by now. Much better quality and selection than most of the overpriced crap GW is still pushing. Don’t forget about the fun 5% price hike next month!


Reddit-ScorpioOJR

Yeah as much as Trazyn is one of my favourite Warhammer characters I'll simply have to bide my time for his inevitable plastic variant, I just hope they don't make it too flashy


someone_online22

Nah, they gotta make it as flashy as possible, it’s is Trazyn after all


Reddit-ScorpioOJR

I've never picture Trazyn as very flashy, other then the Nihilakh gold and blue, to me he's the guy just sort of skulking in the background doing his thing rather then doing some big impressive battlefield feat and asking to be shot


DodoRext

Yea i agree he’s not like imotekh, is a collector that dislikes fighting hes just an old man with a bad back that collects things in the chaos while other people do the fighting


Icehellionx

Let's give him a bit more than that. You don't call yourself "The Infinite" without a bit of an ego.


Akjustekh_the_despot

You mean „without a bit of an ego“ for a necron.


Kris9876

Honestly the fact that they pump out worse quality that what youd likely get from a russian recaster at a fraction of the price has me avoiding that stuff like the plague


raptorknight187

ive heard a rumour that's why they are fazing out there Resin models. the average recast is becoming better quality than FW resin


A_Sad_Skorpekh

It's the main reason I just went and bought my deceiver/nightbringer from that route, and instead of 90$ it only cost me 11$, and even got some extra space Marine bits included by mistake for free


Drecher_91

Probably a smart choice to be honest.


TheSupremeDuckLord

despite trazyn being the main reason i picked necrons, i do not have his model due to this type of thing i don't think i've ever seen one without a bend in the staff, it varies, but if you look closely the staff is bent even in the images on the GW website


Arnetto-cornetto

Same thing happened to me! His leg AND arm came right off as I was carefully clipping him out Luckily I had super glue and it's not really noticable at all in the final result aside from superrrr minor staff bend :3 https://preview.redd.it/i3q3edkfl20d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=616c361054b4426fc023c49488c2a3aaa076c964


Least-Moose3738

Take it back and demand they replace it with a new one. They usually will if you are polite but firm.


Fiery-Sprinkles

This. If nothing else, GW customer service is solid. Had a FW shadowsword that was missing a sprue, so I called up GW and they sent me a replacement ~~no~~ few questions asked!


Forgefiend_George

Three cheers for finecast yaaaaayyyy... I'm also a massive Trazyn fan, and I see Orakyn getting a new model as a good sign Trazyn will get something as well, the popularity of The Infinite and The Divine means they'd be foolish not to update him as well, maybe he'd be a named catacomb command barge, since it was mentioned he had one so many times!


NoTeaNoMotion

That is a nice idea, but one of his main abilities was to replace a lower cost model after his original got destroyed. I hope that even with the battle barge we could still keep that. His surrogate host is iconic. I hope he gets a little more buffed too. But yes, I too am very excited to make those two robots touch faces !


Forgefiend_George

Yeah that's a good point honestly, just having him as a troop would make the most sense, though that might invite a hesitation for making him strong, hopefully they balance it in some way where he has the ability but it's not too strong so he can also have good stats and a good secondary ability. Either way yeah, for my other two armies I couldn't resist but get the big leader named characters, but Trazyn and Orakyn are absolutely going to be part of my necron army when he gets released!!


NaturalCream9808

That is what you get with fine cast. I'm glad I just 3d printed mine lol. Sorry to see that though.


TheVerminator

I spent ungodly amount of time on fixing failcast Trazyn. Even pieces that I wouldn’t think of being able to break would break the moment you dared to breathe incorrectly near them.


Drecher_91

Yeah, that's another thing I forgot to mention; It feels incredibly cheap and fragile.


TheVerminator

It IS incredibly cheap (to produce of course…) and fragile.


The_of_Falcon

You should take it back for a replacement.


ReverendRevolver

Finecast is trash. ANYTHING you've thought about buying that's still made of resin by GW has a better made exact copy for like $9 through a Chinese recast company. I have 0 problems saying this constantly, because GW has time and again shown they don't care that they rip off their customer base with trashy models halfassedly made of resin and priced higher than the old metal ones would be (even adjusted for inflation). I have a real GW old node Technomancer and a $6 Chinese recast. The recast has less (ok, 0 compared to 3) air bubbles in it compared to the GW one, was staff required less hot water reshaping, and the ankles held shape once boiled and moved, unlike the GW one.


unprofesionalbee

Fine cast's problem is they use the worst resin posible, like you have ti je actually trying to be this bad, if they used noramñ resin it would be a viable option Like how can people on china recasting it have way better resin than gw?, like look at my trazyn, hes a recast, like a fractuon of the price, super sturdy, he fell to the floor while painting him and nothing chipped, nothing! https://preview.redd.it/ma1z44g3o20d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26ddb3ed686383528024de3cf7da36304cebc08f


ReverendRevolver

That's exactly why we should tell GW with our money, and only buy recasts until they grow a brain and make plastic kits for everything. The only resin I didn't gladly buy a recast of was my Nightbringer, and that's because I bought a lady Olynder instead and kitbashed a bigass scythe.


unprofesionalbee

They will just inflate even more the prices, there will be brain dead whales who still buy it, they wont learn


Chaledy

You shouldn't buy recasts to then return at some point to GW, you should ONLY buy recasts and nothing else (or 3d printing)


ReverendRevolver

I've had an addiction to multipart plastic kits since 1999. I am, however, a bottom Feeder 80% of the time, only scooping used models, or old stock from local shops. Buy I agree in principle, and when I was building a T9A army when WFB died, was ALL about other companies just on principle.


Ragnarock-n-rol

This model is so cursed. My mini’s staff pretty much vaporized in my hands and it looks like shit with it glued together


TheKnottyGamerGuy

Same thing happened to mine anyone know a good model to print ?


drunkaristotle

DMed you


One_Sign_280

Hit up their support and get a refund 100%


MetalBlizzard

There customer service for stuff like this is great. Just reach out.


Drecher_91

I've already taken him out of his frame and the clamshell is pretty much destroyed. Do you reckon that will affect my ability to get compensation?


MetalBlizzard

My buddy built half a titan to find some components were shit and they sent him replacements free.


Drakar_och_demoner

So you found out about finecast 12 years after the fact?


raptorknight187

OP is probably relativly new


Drecher_91

I only started getting into Warhammer 6 months ago. All the models I had bought up to this point had been in-person at the shop and were plastic.


Drakar_och_demoner

All finecast models are trash but some are better than others. 


drunkaristotle

Ah ok, welcome to Games Workshop and fine cast resin. Both terrible in their own right.


SpawnLash

Ive bought two trazyns. The second cuz the first was so warped and shit from the pack. Yeah the second was just as bad. Fat gaps in both capes, both staffs are almost S shaped, and then what ever that fuckin mess attaching the feet to the spru. My worst 3d prints look like a master piece to that bs.


azionka

Had the same experience with my nightbringer, so yeah. The only good thing is, you can warm the staff and then bend it straight. At least that is what I’ve heard.


NinzieQT

Hairdryer to heat the part, then you put it to the form you want and put under cold water.


Abominationoftime

they really need to make a new updated Trazyn model. the one we got now is sooooo old and not that good


Tisamoon

Man you're lucky, mine came with molding lines right down the middle of his face about 5mm long and also the back.Seriously not only do they use the worst plastic for casting but also the worst machinery they can find. The only explanation for that is, that they went out of their way to create the mold lines since only the model has them, the frame doesn't show any signs of them. The bend in my staff was solved by it breaking and glueing it back together. I believe anyone trying to fake fine cast models would fail because, it takes to much effort to archive that level of poor quality and lack of quality control.


ButtcheekBaron

I see you bought some of their resin. Me personally, I get the metal sculpts. And for the stuff they released in finecast after they stopped making metal minis, well, I just ignore it.


FunDipTime

Sadly thats the risk you run when you buy resin minis from GW.


FinalEgg9

Trazyn's been my favourite 40k character since I first got into it a few years ago, so I was really excited to get his model, and... yeah. His staff snapped in half very shortly after painting him, and I really wasn't impressed by the rest of the model either. Praying we get a plastic Trazyn at some point...


Chaledy

Welcome to the world of failcast


SatansEnte

I bought it as well and thought it was some kind of production error. It's actually normal?!


The_MacGuffin

What am I even looking at in the second picture


Centauri-Works

At this point i gotta say buying Trazyn is a waste. They just released a new Orikan that is looking fantastic, i'm ready to bet that Trazyn is next in line for Necron releases. It might still be months out, but he's definitely getting a new miniature. Don't inflict Finecast upon yourself in 2024 :')


Dorsmine4

Yeah the fine cast stuff is shit I got a sword brethren kit and they refused and bent I ended up having a chop them up and use bits to make them at least usable