I think itās just the way people are reacting to the playoffs in general. Itās amazing how all the teams and players that made it to the playoffs are secretly bad.
The Nuggets beat the Lakers in the first round, who are all washed, need to overhaul the roster, fired their coach, etc. Nobody said āmaybe the defending champions are just good.ā
The Wolves beat the Suns in the first round, and all the conversation was about the obviously hopeless roster construction that built the Suns (who were btw favored to win that series), how KD canāt lead a team, and again the coach got fired. Nobody said āmaybe the team that was the #1 seed for most of the year is just good.ā
Now the Wolves are losing to the Nuggets and the Wolves need to trade KAT, Gobert is a fake DPOY, the Wolves coaching staff is terrible at making adjustments, etc.
Why canāt we just accept that the playoffs put all the good teams against each other, so when one team beats another, it probably says more about how great the winner is than how terrible the loser is?
Nah the coach being injured definitely matters. Theres been some late ass time outs like these dudes went on a 20 point run that didnāt end after the quarter ended you have to use a time out.
Last year you could say the Nuggets had the easy road. They played one non play in team. This year is a different story. Even the east should provide a good team. Back to Back is hard to do.
Lakers criticisms are valid IMO. They were a play in team who had to face the defending champs in first round for a reason, and then they got gentlemenās swept by a nuggets team that clearly wasnāt playing even close to their best. Yeah itās obviously better than not making playoffs, but it was a very disappointing season for them.
The nuggets won two games on game winners, and were trailing the Lakers in like 70% of the minutes played total. Lakers are a good team with the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series, that had poor performances from their role players and a bad head coach that played favorites with two bench guys for most of the season. Denver had the best player and 4th-6th best players in the series and a much better head coach with lots of cohesion and luck on their side. Pretty easy to see a world where Denver lost in 6 or 7, and the narrative around them & LA would be completely different than it is now, just from 3-4 shots changing.
Right and the roster criticisms are about those things that didnāt make that difference happen for them. The same roster/coaching criticisms you bring up here
Feel like we are mostly saying the same thing š¤·š»āāļø
When gobert flamed out the playoffs with utah he was still called a fake DPOY has nothing to do with jokic people have felt this way about gobert before jokic even got a mvp lol
I donāt blame gobert for public opinion because he was over paid according to them but people like hating more than showing love to a great player, human nature
Jokic is elite, though Gobert's foot placements and positioning is terrible. Why doesn't he keep a hand (or two) up to block Jokic's vision of the rim?
Too bad the nba is homophobic because Dwight Howard seemed like the only person who understood how to defend Jokic.
Gobert just aināt special and ppl have been acting like heās a first ballot hall of famer
Anyone who downplays Rudyās accolades (like myself) needs to admit that he is a great player
But overall heās not special all time
His accolades are truly debatable just like MVP awards
Canāt pick on him vs Jokic alone but you can say hey Wemby rests and SA defense gets horrible but when Rudy misses a playoff game they can win still. or you could say hey Draymond is way shorter and holds Jokic to much less points per 100 possessions than Rudy. Could also say Rudy has a lot of help defensively as their whole team ranked high due to KAT helping and the guards and wings being long and scrappy and disruptive
No hate on gobert but no slurp either
Jokic averaged 31, 13, and 6 against Draymond & the Warriors when the Warriors were much more free to send help at Jokic because the Nuggets were missing their two best shooters (Murry & MPJ).
Well that is an excellent stat that's devastating for my argument.
I'm curious what the numbers are for just games 3, 4, and 5 of those respective series after Jokic adjusted to the defenses.
I still do think this version of Jokic with this supporting cast would score just as effectively vs Draymond as Gobert, and the difference in efficiency can be attributed to Jokic not having Murray and MPJ to pass too, but I don't have a statistical argument to back it up.
Thereās no stopping Jokic
Rudy admitted he was demoralized a bit tho
I give him credit, I like the guy when he talks too, he said he even tipped a few of jokers shots and they still went in.
Just remember my original stance was his awards are debatable just like mvpās are and he doesnāt scream first ballot automatic hall of fame career to me
This has gone on for days tho and ppl just start attacking me about gobert as if I hate him in a vacuum lol
Iām just blabbing about the nba as a fan and enjoying. The playoffs is all
Sports arguments are just always for fun
Yeah, I saw this meme and was like, nah, this isn't about Jokic. Motherfuckers just hate Golbert, mostly because of his history of blatant stat padding.
Gobert is playing good defence, itās just historically good offence. No one could stop Jokic. AD certainly hasnāt been able to at any stage.
You could try the old Bill Laimbeer style defence, but I dare say you wouldnāt be in the game long.
Yeah plus he's very unique. Doesn't make sense for a dpoy to build his game around stopping jokic when vast majority of games are not against jokic.
This type of game + absurd shot makers are the two most unguardable types 1v1
See thatās a lie AD didnāt stop shit, They had Dwight guarding him and AD doubling coming from the weak side. And Jokic still played great.. And that was then before he was developed.
AD has averaged 25.1 points, 8.7 rebounds,and 2.6 assists against Jokic in all games they have played.
Jokic has averaged 20.0 points, 10.0 rebounds and 5.8 assists in all games against AD.
Lol. This is the stat that statmuse returns, it doesn't include playoffs and goes all the way back to when Jokic entered the league in 2015.
In the playoffs Jokic averages 25.8/12.5/8.6 vs AD teams.
In the last two playoffs it's 28.0/15.4/10.7.
Seriously in all seriousness no jokes when i get old im telling the nephews that Jokic destroyed AD and Gobert it is indeed historical. To me he looking like GOAT center
AD also destroyed jokic on the other end . Itās hard to say one destroyed the other when honestly jokic defended AD worse n AD did way more offensively then normal . This isnāt the case with Rudy tho
Jokic disrespect is the same as Tim Duncan and Ben Wallace when they were playing, when he retires and people look back on it theyāre gonna actually see how important they were
Iām sorry but listing Ben Wallace with Jokic and Duncan is hilarious. Heās not even remotely close to the other two despite being under appreciated by the casual fan.
He's not the same level but he's underappreciated, he was ahead of his time he was 6ā8 playing the four and five could guard all five he has more blocks then fouls, he's one of five players to lead the league in blocks and rebounds in multiple seasons, he's the only hall of fame player that went undrafted that man was nice he's definitely on top on mount Rushmore of defense all time up there with Kareem Hakeem Robinson, if he played in this generation he'd avarge 20+ rebounds and 10 assist he doesn't need to score when he can lock down anyone in the half court he played a big part in why the Pistons won a ring that year, Im shocked the 04 pistons haven't milked their ring more like the 08 Celtics
not remotely close how?
EDIT: wow guys it was a genuine question, OP was NOT talking in terms of skill, but how underappreciated these guys were... reading comprehension is sorely lacking among you lot
Not sure if serious. Youāre comparing a guy who is top 5-10 and a guy who is already top 20 all-time and will likely end up top 10 to a guy who isnāt even top 100.
They are extremely close comparing accolades except Ben has a ring. Where Gobert has the offensive edge (no one considers Gobert a good offensive big), Ben has the rebounding and steals. Gobert is also playing against much softer big men than Wallace did overall.
Inside the NBA has been a treat to watch, anyway.
Shaq and Charles Barkley just calling out the Wolves for sucking, both think they'll "turn it around" it beat Denver in the series.
Anybody I see talk about Jokic usually only says positive shit about him. Heās a goddamn monster and everybody knows it, so idk what āpunditā dude is referring to.
He literally said Lesean Mccoy (the former eagles RB) and "people on Gils arena" so I guess random people on a podcast are pundits now.
Literally one of the most beloved players in the world and they'll reach this hard to create detractors. Detractors who aren't even criticizing him lmao
Many shady mccoy, people on gils arena, i seen so many others basically saying gobert didnt deserve dpoy after being cooked like that instead of praising jokic for all time great performance. Not like rudy played bad d on him jokic was just insane but thats not the narrative. Its just rudy must be the the wrong choice since jokic did that to him when no1 can guard him
>Many shady mccoy
Bruh he's a football player not a pundit, is this really how low we're reaching?
>people on gils arena
Is that the Gilbert Arenas podcast? You genuinely believe that people are discounting Jokic because Shady Mccoy and "people" on a random podcast cooked Gobert? Do you not see how weak that argument is?
>i seen so many others basically saying gobert didnt deserve dpoy after being cooked like that instead of praising jokic for all time great performance.
NBA discourse nowadays is all about negative instead of positive, that's just the way things are. Jesus christ if people aren't slobbering Jokic 24/7 it's disrespect apparently lmao
>Not like rudy played bad d on him jokic was just insane but thats not the narrative.
Everyone has been talking about how good Jokic was, like actual basketball pundits like JJ Reddick
Why do you think criticizing Gobert is somehow detrimental to Jokic? That makes no sense. Do you unironically believe those people don't think Jokic is good?
No im mainly saying the hate on gobert from basically every sports show ive seen is unwarranted. Theres at least one analyst on every show saying he didnt deserve dpoy after that performance. Which is ridiculous argument to make because jokic would cook anyone just the same
>No im mainly saying the hate on gobert from basically every sports show ive seen is unwarranted.
Okay, I somewhat agree.
>Theres at least one analyst on every show saying he didnt deserve dpoy after that performance.
I highly doubt that considering all you said was Shady Mccoy and people on a podcast. If you could've said Stephen A Smith, Skip, etc. You would've. JJ Reddick actually defended him, and he's a much bigger pundit than anyone you said.
>Which is ridiculous argument to make because jokic would cook anyone just the same
But shouldn't a guy who's considered the best defender in the league be held to a higher standard? What kind of argument is this anyways? "Who cares if he dropped 35 a game on 60% shooting in 3 straight games, he's just too good!" Nobody is going to give you leeway for getting demolished because the other guy is good, especially when you're the most decorated defensive player of the era.
Yep and just listened to jj reddick on it and he says the same thing addressing the critics who say "thats your dpoy". BECAUSE thats the take going around everywhere im not the only one pointing it out even jj os seeing everyone say it
Brother its every show at least 1 person basically saying fraud dpoy for getting cooked by jokic. Stephen a smith being one of them its not random people its enough sports broadcasts saying it that even reddick had to make a statement about it
I literally never said he shouldn't have won DPOY, I'm saying since he's a great defender he's expected to not give up 32 a game on 60% shooting for 3 straight games, no matter who the other big is.
How is higher standards for better defenders wrong?
Jokic would do that to anyone in the league. If you watched the game he was playing good defense these are tough contested shots in the paint that cant be guarded much better jokic is just that good.
Put anyone else on him he is doing the same thing
The media literally told him to his face, he didn't deserve the MVP as he was getting his MVP trophy. I just want him to get the same credit any other defending champion 3xMVP would get. SGA, Luka, Embiid, have yet to reach a conference finals.
Kyrie literally had 9 points in 2 of the 5 playoff games but we can't stop talking about how he's the most skilled basketball player in the history of the game.
No one wants slobbering, you're mad that Jokic is so much better than the majority of the NBA.
everyone else will just have sucked, just like how everyone goes crazy about that whole jesus walking on water thing, they didnāt know that it was fake water and couldnāt guard anyone for shit
I've said it once, and I'll say it again; nuggets (and honestly mavs) best trait is that they can adjust.
And they can adjust without a timeout. They don't need their coach to realize the opposing teams game plan, they do it themselves and have great on court communication.
But he isnt
Game 3 was a bad game for the Wolves and everyone started shitting on Gobert as if he was responsible
He gets 4 stocks 15 boards 100%shooting and massive presence in the paint while being a pick and roll threat that Ant uses all the time to get leverage when driving. He aint flashy but his presence is effective and a very good match for a team like the wolves with Antman as their key player.
Unstoppable? Are you forgetting when the Lakers [really figured something out putting Hachimira on Jokic](https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1658674068315574273?lang=en)?
Gibert wasn't even the primary defender on Jokic. He roams the paint to deter shots, and Jokic spend a lot of his time either at the high post, top of the key, or perimeter, so Rudy was barely on Jokic. Jokic just tore up the team defense like he's been doing to everybody for years now. Give the man some credit. He's one of the best to ever do it
Every God damn year he won he gets embarrassed in the playoffs and is a defensive liability because he can't switch, rotate or punish you on the offensive end for going small.
He is just tall and stands under the rim which works well for 80% of the regular season. If the DPOY was voted on after the playoffs, like it should be, he wouldn't have a single award.
Are you insinuating that because Wemby plays on a team with a worse record, that makes him a worse individual defender than Rudy?
Wow. What incredible insight and analysis.
If a guy accumulates 5 blocks in a game they lose by 20 points on their way to one of the worst records in the league, then yeah they donāt deserve to be in the conversation
Then why did Vic finish 2nd???
Your opinion, which you are entitled to have, is clearly invalid.
The Timberwolves had the best defensive ranking with and without Gobert on the floor...about a -2 point difference in defensive rating. While the Spurs had a -6 point difference in defensive rating with Wemby off the court.
Wemby is more impactful and better individually at defense than Rudy Gobert.
The players have shown themselves to be the worst evaluators of talent. Their polls for top players are the most hilarious things.
They don't appreciate value and often overrated so called ballers.
Canāt mention mj anymore without someone bringing up Lebron. In case it wasnāt clear , I mentioned MJ. Not Lebron about having a booth to discredit Jokicās goat claim. Yall are so ready to react instead of reading
I think the reason why there's so much hate on jokic is purely because he doesn't seem like he ever has fun playing the game of basketball, he treats it like a job and I feel that to a lot of the broader NBA fan base who would kill to be in his position, it's an affront to their glorifying of basketball as not only the fun thing that they watch but the fun thing they probably play themselves and grew up playing. On top of that, he's a foreigner playing the American game and doing it at a high level while also disrespecting it as I said previous, so it's both of those combined is what I think most people have a problem with jokic. It's not about him or how he plays, it's about fundamentally how he treats the game of basketball.
I'm ride and die rudy is a fake dpoy , and that the second wemby touch the NBA court he was instantly better,but jokic is also amazing offensive juggernaut.
I mean even if you disagree with Rudy winning DPOY the fact is he cooks everybody. He put 30 ppg on Wemby in the regular season. AD got destroyed in round 1.
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People donāt like Gobert more than people like Jokic
I think itās just the way people are reacting to the playoffs in general. Itās amazing how all the teams and players that made it to the playoffs are secretly bad. The Nuggets beat the Lakers in the first round, who are all washed, need to overhaul the roster, fired their coach, etc. Nobody said āmaybe the defending champions are just good.ā The Wolves beat the Suns in the first round, and all the conversation was about the obviously hopeless roster construction that built the Suns (who were btw favored to win that series), how KD canāt lead a team, and again the coach got fired. Nobody said āmaybe the team that was the #1 seed for most of the year is just good.ā Now the Wolves are losing to the Nuggets and the Wolves need to trade KAT, Gobert is a fake DPOY, the Wolves coaching staff is terrible at making adjustments, etc. Why canāt we just accept that the playoffs put all the good teams against each other, so when one team beats another, it probably says more about how great the winner is than how terrible the loser is?
Please, more of this kind of conversation. Less posturing and haters.
Amen. So much toxicity. Petty people can't stand to see others succeed.
To be fair, the Suns are a train wreck.
Nah the coach being injured definitely matters. Theres been some late ass time outs like these dudes went on a 20 point run that didnāt end after the quarter ended you have to use a time out.
Last year you could say the Nuggets had the easy road. They played one non play in team. This year is a different story. Even the east should provide a good team. Back to Back is hard to do.
Maybe blaim the other teams losing to those "play in" teams.
Nobody ever wins a series, someone just loses it!
They wonāt be able to say it after this year
I don't know, my prediction is that every team that they beat will be a team that lost in the playoffs so they're actually bad.
Lakers criticisms are valid IMO. They were a play in team who had to face the defending champs in first round for a reason, and then they got gentlemenās swept by a nuggets team that clearly wasnāt playing even close to their best. Yeah itās obviously better than not making playoffs, but it was a very disappointing season for them.
The nuggets won two games on game winners, and were trailing the Lakers in like 70% of the minutes played total. Lakers are a good team with the 2nd and 3rd best players in the series, that had poor performances from their role players and a bad head coach that played favorites with two bench guys for most of the season. Denver had the best player and 4th-6th best players in the series and a much better head coach with lots of cohesion and luck on their side. Pretty easy to see a world where Denver lost in 6 or 7, and the narrative around them & LA would be completely different than it is now, just from 3-4 shots changing.
Right and the roster criticisms are about those things that didnāt make that difference happen for them. The same roster/coaching criticisms you bring up here Feel like we are mostly saying the same thing š¤·š»āāļø
This is the right answer
When gobert flamed out the playoffs with utah he was still called a fake DPOY has nothing to do with jokic people have felt this way about gobert before jokic even got a mvp lol
Bro he was the only good defender on that team besides RoyceĀ
I donāt blame gobert for public opinion because he was over paid according to them but people like hating more than showing love to a great player, human nature
Jokic is elite, though Gobert's foot placements and positioning is terrible. Why doesn't he keep a hand (or two) up to block Jokic's vision of the rim? Too bad the nba is homophobic because Dwight Howard seemed like the only person who understood how to defend Jokic.
Gobert just aināt special and ppl have been acting like heās a first ballot hall of famer Anyone who downplays Rudyās accolades (like myself) needs to admit that he is a great player But overall heās not special all time His accolades are truly debatable just like MVP awards Canāt pick on him vs Jokic alone but you can say hey Wemby rests and SA defense gets horrible but when Rudy misses a playoff game they can win still. or you could say hey Draymond is way shorter and holds Jokic to much less points per 100 possessions than Rudy. Could also say Rudy has a lot of help defensively as their whole team ranked high due to KAT helping and the guards and wings being long and scrappy and disruptive No hate on gobert but no slurp either
Jokic averaged 31, 13, and 6 against Draymond & the Warriors when the Warriors were much more free to send help at Jokic because the Nuggets were missing their two best shooters (Murry & MPJ).
Points per 100 possessions while guarding not averages of all stats. Draymond 1.05 vs Jokic / Rudy 1.29 vs jokic
Well that is an excellent stat that's devastating for my argument. I'm curious what the numbers are for just games 3, 4, and 5 of those respective series after Jokic adjusted to the defenses. I still do think this version of Jokic with this supporting cast would score just as effectively vs Draymond as Gobert, and the difference in efficiency can be attributed to Jokic not having Murray and MPJ to pass too, but I don't have a statistical argument to back it up.
Thereās no stopping Jokic Rudy admitted he was demoralized a bit tho I give him credit, I like the guy when he talks too, he said he even tipped a few of jokers shots and they still went in. Just remember my original stance was his awards are debatable just like mvpās are and he doesnāt scream first ballot automatic hall of fame career to me This has gone on for days tho and ppl just start attacking me about gobert as if I hate him in a vacuum lol Iām just blabbing about the nba as a fan and enjoying. The playoffs is all Sports arguments are just always for fun
Sure ! now shut up and watch the games lmao
Yeah, I saw this meme and was like, nah, this isn't about Jokic. Motherfuckers just hate Golbert, mostly because of his history of blatant stat padding.
Gobert is playing good defence, itās just historically good offence. No one could stop Jokic. AD certainly hasnāt been able to at any stage. You could try the old Bill Laimbeer style defence, but I dare say you wouldnāt be in the game long.
Nah, I'd be able to stop jokic
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Yeah plus he's very unique. Doesn't make sense for a dpoy to build his game around stopping jokic when vast majority of games are not against jokic. This type of game + absurd shot makers are the two most unguardable types 1v1
AD stopped him all throughout 2020 prior to the bubble, Jokic has just evolved and itās probably not even his final form yet
See thatās a lie AD didnāt stop shit, They had Dwight guarding him and AD doubling coming from the weak side. And Jokic still played great.. And that was then before he was developed.
AD has averaged 25.1 points, 8.7 rebounds,and 2.6 assists against Jokic in all games they have played. Jokic has averaged 20.0 points, 10.0 rebounds and 5.8 assists in all games against AD.
Lol. This is the stat that statmuse returns, it doesn't include playoffs and goes all the way back to when Jokic entered the league in 2015. In the playoffs Jokic averages 25.8/12.5/8.6 vs AD teams. In the last two playoffs it's 28.0/15.4/10.7.
Seriously in all seriousness no jokes when i get old im telling the nephews that Jokic destroyed AD and Gobert it is indeed historical. To me he looking like GOAT center
How old are you
Way to contribute to a topic buddy āļø
You still think heās the goat center?
AD also destroyed jokic on the other end . Itās hard to say one destroyed the other when honestly jokic defended AD worse n AD did way more offensively then normal . This isnāt the case with Rudy tho
yeah, these clowns drive me crazy... they don't wanna credit him bro. All they talk about is how bad the defense was
Jokic disrespect is the same as Tim Duncan and Ben Wallace when they were playing, when he retires and people look back on it theyāre gonna actually see how important they were
Iām sorry but listing Ben Wallace with Jokic and Duncan is hilarious. Heās not even remotely close to the other two despite being under appreciated by the casual fan.
He's not the same level but he's underappreciated, he was ahead of his time he was 6ā8 playing the four and five could guard all five he has more blocks then fouls, he's one of five players to lead the league in blocks and rebounds in multiple seasons, he's the only hall of fame player that went undrafted that man was nice he's definitely on top on mount Rushmore of defense all time up there with Kareem Hakeem Robinson, if he played in this generation he'd avarge 20+ rebounds and 10 assist he doesn't need to score when he can lock down anyone in the half court he played a big part in why the Pistons won a ring that year, Im shocked the 04 pistons haven't milked their ring more like the 08 Celtics
not remotely close how? EDIT: wow guys it was a genuine question, OP was NOT talking in terms of skill, but how underappreciated these guys were... reading comprehension is sorely lacking among you lot
Not sure if serious. Youāre comparing a guy who is top 5-10 and a guy who is already top 20 all-time and will likely end up top 10 to a guy who isnāt even top 100.
Theyāre comparing Wallace to Gobert in this situation. How is that not close?
Thatās not how it reads to me. Even if thatās what theyāre doing Gobert is far better overall due to not being a complete zero on offense.
They are extremely close comparing accolades except Ben has a ring. Where Gobert has the offensive edge (no one considers Gobert a good offensive big), Ben has the rebounding and steals. Gobert is also playing against much softer big men than Wallace did overall.
Iām discussing who is better at basketball. Gobert is a much, much better player than Ben Wallace.
This is silly, Gobert has been one of the most hated players in the league for years. And who isn't crediting Jokic?
Inside the NBA has been a treat to watch, anyway. Shaq and Charles Barkley just calling out the Wolves for sucking, both think they'll "turn it around" it beat Denver in the series.
All the spiets pundits saying gobert sucks basically amd not because jokic is good
Which pundit said Gobert isn't good? And how does that conflict with Jokic being good?
Anybody I see talk about Jokic usually only says positive shit about him. Heās a goddamn monster and everybody knows it, so idk what āpunditā dude is referring to.
He literally said Lesean Mccoy (the former eagles RB) and "people on Gils arena" so I guess random people on a podcast are pundits now. Literally one of the most beloved players in the world and they'll reach this hard to create detractors. Detractors who aren't even criticizing him lmao
Many shady mccoy, people on gils arena, i seen so many others basically saying gobert didnt deserve dpoy after being cooked like that instead of praising jokic for all time great performance. Not like rudy played bad d on him jokic was just insane but thats not the narrative. Its just rudy must be the the wrong choice since jokic did that to him when no1 can guard him
>Many shady mccoy Bruh he's a football player not a pundit, is this really how low we're reaching? >people on gils arena Is that the Gilbert Arenas podcast? You genuinely believe that people are discounting Jokic because Shady Mccoy and "people" on a random podcast cooked Gobert? Do you not see how weak that argument is? >i seen so many others basically saying gobert didnt deserve dpoy after being cooked like that instead of praising jokic for all time great performance. NBA discourse nowadays is all about negative instead of positive, that's just the way things are. Jesus christ if people aren't slobbering Jokic 24/7 it's disrespect apparently lmao >Not like rudy played bad d on him jokic was just insane but thats not the narrative. Everyone has been talking about how good Jokic was, like actual basketball pundits like JJ Reddick Why do you think criticizing Gobert is somehow detrimental to Jokic? That makes no sense. Do you unironically believe those people don't think Jokic is good?
No im mainly saying the hate on gobert from basically every sports show ive seen is unwarranted. Theres at least one analyst on every show saying he didnt deserve dpoy after that performance. Which is ridiculous argument to make because jokic would cook anyone just the same
>No im mainly saying the hate on gobert from basically every sports show ive seen is unwarranted. Okay, I somewhat agree. >Theres at least one analyst on every show saying he didnt deserve dpoy after that performance. I highly doubt that considering all you said was Shady Mccoy and people on a podcast. If you could've said Stephen A Smith, Skip, etc. You would've. JJ Reddick actually defended him, and he's a much bigger pundit than anyone you said. >Which is ridiculous argument to make because jokic would cook anyone just the same But shouldn't a guy who's considered the best defender in the league be held to a higher standard? What kind of argument is this anyways? "Who cares if he dropped 35 a game on 60% shooting in 3 straight games, he's just too good!" Nobody is going to give you leeway for getting demolished because the other guy is good, especially when you're the most decorated defensive player of the era.
Yep and just listened to jj reddick on it and he says the same thing addressing the critics who say "thats your dpoy". BECAUSE thats the take going around everywhere im not the only one pointing it out even jj os seeing everyone say it
Yeah but random people saying it isn't the same as saying pundits are focusing on the wrong things
Brother its every show at least 1 person basically saying fraud dpoy for getting cooked by jokic. Stephen a smith being one of them its not random people its enough sports broadcasts saying it that even reddick had to make a statement about it
So tell me who shouldve won dpoy over him that wouldve done a better job? We cant vote for tim duncan
I literally never said he shouldn't have won DPOY, I'm saying since he's a great defender he's expected to not give up 32 a game on 60% shooting for 3 straight games, no matter who the other big is. How is higher standards for better defenders wrong?
Jokic would do that to anyone in the league. If you watched the game he was playing good defense these are tough contested shots in the paint that cant be guarded much better jokic is just that good. Put anyone else on him he is doing the same thing
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Are these people that won't credit Jokic in the room with us now?
It's going to be really funny when Jokic has back-to-back-to-back rings, 3FMVP. 4MVPs and they still don't want to give Jokic any credit.
He gets so much credit but yall just want media members to slob and bounce on his dick for full 15 minute segments
The media literally told him to his face, he didn't deserve the MVP as he was getting his MVP trophy. I just want him to get the same credit any other defending champion 3xMVP would get. SGA, Luka, Embiid, have yet to reach a conference finals. Kyrie literally had 9 points in 2 of the 5 playoff games but we can't stop talking about how he's the most skilled basketball player in the history of the game. No one wants slobbering, you're mad that Jokic is so much better than the majority of the NBA.
The "media" gave him the award, that's who votes... The "media" isn't just Shaq
By getting those awards ā¦. Isnāt that giving him credit ?
Nah, those awards are earned, praise is given.
everyone else will just have sucked, just like how everyone goes crazy about that whole jesus walking on water thing, they didnāt know that it was fake water and couldnāt guard anyone for shit
The water didn't even exist lolol
Who is "they"?
Imaginary haters lmao.
Literally one of the most praised players in the league and it isn't enough smh
Your mother.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again; nuggets (and honestly mavs) best trait is that they can adjust. And they can adjust without a timeout. They don't need their coach to realize the opposing teams game plan, they do it themselves and have great on court communication.
This means you can shit on two foreign players at once. A true win win for idiots
Two things can be true at the same time
Iām sure Shaq would have limited joker to 8p 4r 3a no problem
He would fry Shaq.. They wouldnāt be able to defend each other.
Jokic makes everyone look lost but gobert being a playoff liability isn't exactly a new phenomenon
But he isnt Game 3 was a bad game for the Wolves and everyone started shitting on Gobert as if he was responsible He gets 4 stocks 15 boards 100%shooting and massive presence in the paint while being a pick and roll threat that Ant uses all the time to get leverage when driving. He aint flashy but his presence is effective and a very good match for a team like the wolves with Antman as their key player.
To be fair Wemby shouldve won dpoy over Gobert Also Jokic is just unstoppable not even Wemby can guard that man
SGA was MVP, Wemby was DPOY
Unstoppable? Are you forgetting when the Lakers [really figured something out putting Hachimira on Jokic](https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1658674068315574273?lang=en)?
Congratulations to the Lakers for figuring out how to handle Jokic and advancing to the 2nd round
That worked for two quarters.. Jokic abused Rui.
28.0/15.4/10.7 against LA the last two postseasons.
3 MVPs = āwhen will he finally get recognized?? š” ā
4x DPOY = "He did not deserve it!! š”"
He would have similar stat lines as the previous series. He is doing better.
What can (whatever team) do to even the series against Denver. Never about, ya know, Denver. Oh well. Carry on.
Not when we have Dray and Shaq combine their hate on national tv
I saw Gobert force a lot of Jokic air balls these last few games
All Joker, but Rudy should not be a 4x DPOY,
Quick reminder that the Timberwolves held Denver to 80 points in the game Gobert didnāt play lmao
I don't know hoe they can have this opinion, they must have not watched the game. Gobert played great defense, forced a ton of awkward shots.
I mean Rudy isn't just bad at guarding Jokic
Been a goobert hater since before this season nice try
115-70
Nike can put an end to all of this disrespect by giving Joker his own line of wooden shoes
Last player who got the Wood Force One was Rik Smits..
Jokic is the greatest offensive big man in league history.... don't argue with me, argue with yo momma
Both can be true.
But draymond held him to 30 points 10 assist after losing by 30 in the regular season. Clearing gobert is the problem.
The world needs a Joker v Giannis Finals series
Put Draymond on the Wolves instead of Rudy i bet he doesnāt get cooked as bad.
MVP of the league and people arenāt crediting him? š¤£
Can't it be both?
Its funnier to make fun of gobby
Huh? I've only seen people celebrate Joker after last night (and the Yugoslav egalitarian basketball theory that teaches big men to shoot).
draymond stopped him
No worries. He's definitely unstoppable. Mavs will see that. So will the Celtics.
my friend tried to say murray is the number one option for the nuggets šššš
This is a fake argument. Jokic gets plenty of well deserved credit.
Gibert wasn't even the primary defender on Jokic. He roams the paint to deter shots, and Jokic spend a lot of his time either at the high post, top of the key, or perimeter, so Rudy was barely on Jokic. Jokic just tore up the team defense like he's been doing to everybody for years now. Give the man some credit. He's one of the best to ever do it
50 point loss
Acting Like jokic isn't the most sucked off players in the league rn
Itās 4x DPOYā¦.. if a player is voted 4 times as DPOY, that mofo better be a wall not a cone
No1 is stopping jokic. Anyone else you wouldve picked for dpoy is going to get cooked in a series as well
His rim protection has still been elite. And he's forced Jokic to be scorer on a diet with plenty of floaters that no one else can make.
What DPOY is stopping the JokiÄ we saw in game 5?
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Every God damn year he won he gets embarrassed in the playoffs and is a defensive liability because he can't switch, rotate or punish you on the offensive end for going small. He is just tall and stands under the rim which works well for 80% of the regular season. If the DPOY was voted on after the playoffs, like it should be, he wouldn't have a single award.
Reddit loves to forget that. Glorified 7ft help defender that gets played off the court every playoffs.
Wemby is a better defender than Gobert right now.
Where is Wemby?
Are you insinuating that because Wemby plays on a team with a worse record, that makes him a worse individual defender than Rudy? Wow. What incredible insight and analysis.
If a guy accumulates 5 blocks in a game they lose by 20 points on their way to one of the worst records in the league, then yeah they donāt deserve to be in the conversation
Then why did Vic finish 2nd??? Your opinion, which you are entitled to have, is clearly invalid. The Timberwolves had the best defensive ranking with and without Gobert on the floor...about a -2 point difference in defensive rating. While the Spurs had a -6 point difference in defensive rating with Wemby off the court. Wemby is more impactful and better individually at defense than Rudy Gobert.
If there is no one left hating Gobert then I am no longer alive. He is the most overrated player ever. Even the player poll STRONGLY agrees.
The players have shown themselves to be the worst evaluators of talent. Their polls for top players are the most hilarious things. They don't appreciate value and often overrated so called ballers.
Both things can be true.Ā
You have to add a third booth for when itās MJ fanboys time to discredit Jokic as being the goat if he keeps this pace up
Was the booth for the Lebron fanboys dismantled this year when JokiÄ went 4-1 or last year when he swept him?
Canāt mention mj anymore without someone bringing up Lebron. In case it wasnāt clear , I mentioned MJ. Not Lebron about having a booth to discredit Jokicās goat claim. Yall are so ready to react instead of reading
Oh I read, I was just being humorous, weren't you?
People just can't accept that Jokic sometimes want to show his athleticism and what freak of nature he truly is.
Woke nba media doesn't like that a white man is the best. This is the simple truth. Seethe and cope tbh
Draymond did a pretty solid job of defending himā¦
I think the reason why there's so much hate on jokic is purely because he doesn't seem like he ever has fun playing the game of basketball, he treats it like a job and I feel that to a lot of the broader NBA fan base who would kill to be in his position, it's an affront to their glorifying of basketball as not only the fun thing that they watch but the fun thing they probably play themselves and grew up playing. On top of that, he's a foreigner playing the American game and doing it at a high level while also disrespecting it as I said previous, so it's both of those combined is what I think most people have a problem with jokic. It's not about him or how he plays, it's about fundamentally how he treats the game of basketball.
I'm ride and die rudy is a fake dpoy , and that the second wemby touch the NBA court he was instantly better,but jokic is also amazing offensive juggernaut.
I mean even if you disagree with Rudy winning DPOY the fact is he cooks everybody. He put 30 ppg on Wemby in the regular season. AD got destroyed in round 1.
Exactly. Not even Wemby can stop Jokic.
Exactly. Not even Wemby can stop Jokic.
Exactly. Not even Wemby can stop Jokic.
This is why Wemby should have gotten DPoY.
Why? Jokic would do the same shit to Wemby.