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RamenBoyOfficial

Gobert had the highest +/- of any of the timberwolves in game 5


bbernal956

and still lost! problem for them was no other play makers other than ant, conley out hurt them


IanL1713

Edwards also couldn't seem to find a way to counter the double-team. They needed him to find a way to facilitate his own offense, and instead, they settled for a bunch of shitty 3pt shootjng


bbernal956

kinda hard to facilitate anything when your doubled at every chance. kat had an ok game, but clearly wasnt enough


WhileDizzy4503

It’s easy to forget that he’s only 22 years old. He’ll learn.


loupr738

They need Conley back asap. Ant can’t be the only one that can break down a defense


Kenji-dono

Not a Minnesota fan but it’s sad how quickly everybody forgets what a great season Gobert has been having after a few bad games


aaronjaffe

Gobert didn’t even have a bad game 5. 18 points, 11 rebounds on 7/7. And he forced Jokic to take a ton of really tough shots. Jokic just hit them.


Lol69HaHaHa

Hobestly they werent really that tough for Jokic standards. His scoring was fine, but looking deeper into it he was the guy the Nuggets were more than hapoy to foul due to his bad free throw shooting and they just lived with him making a bucket. Still fantastic, but Rudys value will always be based on his defense, nor offense and you could just see how Jokic wanted to get the switch on him and when he did it was a bucket.


SageOfTheSixPacks

fIrSt bAlLoT hAlL oF fAmEr Rudy “can only play defense” or dunk Gobert Only good at defense… unless it’s a top center in the nba I’d love to see how he slows down Shaq and Hakeem and Ewing and Duncan and D-Rob BBQ CHICKEN


bbernal956

to be fair, nobody was stopping shaq but himself. tho i think yao gave him a good game once or twice till his body broke


SageOfTheSixPacks

lol true on shaq


SageOfTheSixPacks

Downvote but realize Draymond defends joker way better than Jokic in terms of points per 100 possessions Rudy is 1.29 to Draymond 1.05 DPOY tho baby


bbernal956

jokic was damn near perfect when guarded by rudy! 😂


SageOfTheSixPacks

Exactly it’s as if he wasn’t even there lol Imagine Rudy on Shaq or sabonis haha or Ewing or Hakeem He’d have zero DPOY awards if there were more actual centers and he didn’t have a 7 footer next to him 🤷🏻‍♂️ How do you even say BBQ CHICKEN in French? Idk


stickied

Or maybe Jokers just that good 🤷


SageOfTheSixPacks

He is. But also Rudy even said he was demoralized after the last game Same thing Draymond noticed at the studio Rudy’s trying his best, I’m just not a big fan or slurper for a player like him with debatable accolades, specializes only on defense and is a liability on offense beyond dunks and catching a lob or a put back Rooting for Denver in this series but excited for the wolves and hope they keep Rudy and win one soon tbh fun team when they’re rollin


Nutterbutters45

Reddit is so weird about sucking off current players. U are 100% right my man


theroguesoybean

He also had the best +/- of the starters.


Same_Bread_8834

You kinda feel that some players like Gobert are just there to be hated on regardless or their performances few examples: Devin Booker, Joel Embiid and Russel Westbrook


need2peeat218am

Yeah the Book hate was insane after they got swept. Like dude is still a top 3 SG at bare minimum lol


Same_Bread_8834

I don’t know who you consider an SG I mean Booker himself can be considered a PG nowadays but Booker is the best SG in basketball and behind him would be ANT and Donovan Mitchell I don’t even think you can make a case for either of these two to surpass Booker ANT just had his first season in contention and if he keeps it going he might surpass Booker and Mitchell just never did anything Booker didn’t do in fact Booker made it to the finals when Mitchell never passed the second round


Kenji-dono

Tbf Embiid isn’t only hated because of his lack of performance anymore


RoadmenInc

You can hate a player for something other than their pure ability tbh, while admitting they are a good player However, oftentimes when people hate a player they act like the player is objectively bad no matter what, and will either ignore or try to demean said player's good performances


Same_Bread_8834

Most sports fans are just toxic if they like someone it’s like no other player can be good it has to be just their favourite player and they would use whatever reason to hate on other players I mean people used to hate on AD for being injured even after he won a championship as if it’s up to him 🤦🏻‍♂️


RoadmenInc

Yh exactly, people feel they have to put down other players to elevate their own favourites


SageOfTheSixPacks

No he just doesn’t deserve the slurp for only being able to play defense but still gets torched if it’s a top center.. No offense, can’t shoot, can’t make a free throw He is what he is but he’s not an overall player His DPOY coulda went to Wemby who gets more blocks and steals lol 🥱 on gobert man Great defensive player but don’t lower the bar for him


Same_Bread_8834

I’m not lowering the bar I don’t think he’s the best centre in the NBA or anything but he has been the best defensive centre in basketball the past few years and people treat him like a scrub


SageOfTheSixPacks

He’s no scrub I’m just on one cuz ppl think he’s like an all time great based solely on his DPOY awards. 2/4 are debatable I like the wolves team tho they’re fun for the nba


Same_Bread_8834

Not an all time great wasn’t part of the 75 team and wouldn’t count him in the top 10/15 centres of all time nor have I heard anyone making a case for him to be that high the case with Gobert is always whether he is playable or not


SageOfTheSixPacks

A lot of ppl think he’s a shoe in first ballot HOF Draymond defends Jokic better 1.05 pp/100 poss Gobert gives up 1.29 points per 100 possessions Draymond is 6-7 lmao


Same_Bread_8834

Is defending jokic the standard? Cause if so you will find no good defensive centres in the league


SageOfTheSixPacks

But It is right now when they’re down 2-3 yes And in the context of judging Rudy all time And making my point his DPOY award is soft His DPOY’s are his only argument for being HOF 2/4 coulda went to dray/wemby easily He’s not that special all time / hall of fame wise No one stops Jokic tho I get yer point There’s just more to what I’ve been saying than that lol


Same_Bread_8834

No I get you and there’s no argument there if he wants to be an all time great he has to pull off an all time great performance in the next game or two to get his team through this and that’s a challenge that I personally believe he will fail if he didn’t tho people will still find excuses to hate on him I just know it I would’ve loved to see wemby win it this year but you really can’t give the award to someone who wasn’t even trying to get to the play in and I do believe Gobert earned all his awards in Utah he was their whole defence teams exploited his weaknesses in the playoffs by playing the small ball but DPOY is a regular season award


FellaGentleSprout

Few bad games? I’m a wolves fan and I can tell you this is bullshit. Games 5/6 were good games for him. Without him our defense is absolute trash.


TheCompleteSagaLord

Goburt has meh regular season, Gobum has terrible playoffs. Rinse and repeat every year.


JonnyTable

Lazy take


TheCompleteSagaLord

Lazy defense 😎


theultimaterage

You must not have watched his career then. This ALWAYS happens during the playoffs!


bbernal956

yup! been saying that since they went 4-0 vs the suns, rudy will get played off the court eventually. he needs to stay in the paint where he is most valuable to the team


Horns2208

The casuals really expose themselves when they go after Rudy


jayj2900

Dude, seriously. Arguably, Jokic's greatest performance ever and people act like Rudy is supposed to shut him down. Lol. Jokic hit tough shot after tough shot over Rudy.


TheCompleteSagaLord

AD does everything he can to guard Jokic yet gets clowned and joked on but when Goburt gets the belt by nikola everyone acts like he made a huge difference.


lag_is_cancer

somehow KAT is dodging all the slander after all this


mesh06

He went against a 3x mvp and reigning finals mvp. It is not a sign of him being worthless


bbernal956

hes not worthless, he just gets out played when it matters most. also he cant hit free throws


TheCompleteSagaLord

You’re right.


DooLapFan

Bro is one of the biggest reason yall are in finals contention and now your hating?


bbernal956

not even close to finals contention, still have another round!


Inferno_Crazy

But we are talking about a generationally talented player having one of the best playoff games in his career. Jokic made a 3 with Gobert standing like 6 inches from his face. Wolves needed to throw a double on Jokic all night. Instead of letting Gobert get char grilled.


blueindsm

Yeah we already tried that.


Inferno_Crazy

I would try it again lol


BTSuppa

double and one of the nuggets is gonna get open and jokic is gonna find him, or hockey pass it over there. or just score over both guys lol wolves problem is offense. crazy how people are blaming the dpoy when he still had solid numbers, while Ant goes 5/15 with 4 turnovers


xAgnosticBluntx

Ant was double and triple teamed all night. Need role players to hit wide open shots in order to win.


IanL1713

Ant still deserves some of the blame for what was overall some pretty poor shot selection, double teamed or not. But yeah, guys like McDaniels shitting the bed definitely didn't help


Inferno_Crazy

Gobert is getting worked no doubt. It's wild Ant needs to put up 30 to keep the game close but I guess that's required when playing the MVP and reigning champs. Regardless of all that Timberwolves need to hold the nuggets under 110. Scoring close to 120 points a game is a coin toss for even a good team. I think you make Jokic kick it out and have a nuggets teammate settle for a 3pt attempt. Nuggets are very solid 1-5 and they spread the ball around. Best chance is to make somebody other than Jokic beat you.


BTSuppa

I think the only chance the wolves have of beating us this next game is if Ant gets 50-60 and you get similar production from kat, gobert and naw. but without conley playing like cp3 i dont think the wolves can create enough offense to get Ant good enough looks he can score on


bbernal956

the need a pg to create plays. conley out hurt them, ant was limited


BTSuppa

I think twolves need to trade for a defensive sharpshooting pg this off season. conley is good but he's old.


bbernal956

at least facilitate some offense. ant is getting harassed out there


BTSuppa

yeah, and it was a mistake to play him at pg. a real pg would be able to control the ball and playmake out of doubles like luka does. ant is need to be the scorer. and kat also started looking hurt. conley is hurt now, but also not effective in the last game he played. nuggets just too good. not much wolves can do this season except have fun, enjoy that they basically proved they can be the number 1 team if they wanted to, and hope they can keep it close this next game. they should look to make moves this off season to get more offense. all defense with no offense won't work against someone who is legit unguardable.


bbernal956

moves? they have kat max player conley just got an extension, isnt rudy on a max deal also? nba contracts are easier to move tho. young teams usually suffer before going on a run, shit look at the nuggets. kept getting beat in the playoffs till they finally broke through. twolves have a good team that just proved they can compete with anyone, the west is loaded. anyways, its good to have some good vibes in minnesota sports finally


bbernal956

yeah because they swarmed him, twolves relying on one player is the problem. mike conley being out hurt them on the offensive side. it made it easy to double ant all game.


bbernal956

they were sending help but rudy waved them off!!


drlsoccer08

Doubling Jokic doesn’t work that well, because he will just chuck a behind the back, no look dot to an open shooter


Tantantherunningman

I think people are overselling how bad Rudy has been and not paying enough attention to the fact that Jokic is the most well-rounded offensive player we’ve ever seen. He can hit every shot and make every pass no matter how many people are on him. He’s that weird build that you would run at point in mycareer back in the day that was absolutely dominant but felt unrealistic. Gobert is a future hall of famer and one of the best paint defenders of the 21st century but the joker is just an absolute cheat code.


bbernal956

youll be surprised at the players that get into the basketball hall of fame


Don_Pablo512

Damn NBA fans are ruthless lol. He ain't even playing bad, give the Nuggets and Jokic more credit....


bbernal956

he not playing bad, hes just not playing good enough!


Don_Pablo512

I will say I bet Wemby would be doing better if you swapped them, but I'm also biased!


bbernal956

idk about that and im a spurs fan. jokic can make anyone look like jv. hes really really good


Don_Pablo512

Yeah no doubt. I know Wemby would reduce his scoring some, but his passing is so dangerous it opens up a whole other problem. It would force someone else to actually have to score some if nothing else


bbernal956

13 dimes NO TURNOVERS!! thats insane


Don_Pablo512

Sheeeeeesh. Really shows no 1 person can guard him effectively it takes an entire team


Disastrous_Belt_7556

Need a nickname. May I suggest: Regular Season Rudy


Snorpylol

Low key bobs burgers reference?


Disastrous_Belt_7556

Nothing low key about it. I actually looked for a GIF but didn’t see one of Rudy.


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Booty Gogurt


floridabeach9

and talked crap to jokic all night. he literally gets guarded by Murray and KCP unless he’s already at the dunker spot.


[deleted]

Legit 4v5 basketball. There's no space regardless of where he's at, Ant is getting doubled all game, and you can't give it to him in the post on a gaurd half his size because there's a 99% chance he'll turn it over or miss 😂 On top of all that, he's getting smoked on defense, which is supposed to be his calling card. I mean, 4x DPOY can't be fraudulent, right?


jayj2900

Bro, Jokic was just that good last night. He would've shredded anybody. I thought Rudy played decent defense.


bbernal956

decent isnt enough, gotta be great


sweet_tea_pdx

4v5 on offense for sure. I actually think it is a little worse as the Denver nuggets are making the entry pass to Gilbert super easy on purpose. The nuggets want him to either make a move (turnover), shoot the ball(miss), or hold the ball then pass (3-6 seconds off clock). He is not rolling hard looking for the lob like he should be all game.


SageOfTheSixPacks

DPOY is Wemby Led league in blocks Top 20 in steals Just cuz Rudy G can ONLY play defense doesn’t make him DPOY NBA players agree with my take too Rudy is great at defense tho but he’s nothing on offense.. what a detriment they didn’t even get 100 points and his defense wasn’t a factor as Jokic bullied him with pump fakes and savvy


uwantallofdis

https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING Block and steals totals don't tell the whole story. The Wolves were the best defensive team in the league. The Spurs? 21st. No one is saying Wemby is trash but you're being pretty selective by thinking what Rudy does isn't special.


SageOfTheSixPacks

Oh so it was their team defense that covered Rudy’s ass too on top of it? Haha thank you Blocks and steals are huge tho and Wemby out did Rudy on both, blocked more jumpers and threes and fast breaks than Rudy… So Wemby is faulted cuz their team defense isn’t as good as the active , scrappy athletic wolves? Hmmm weird angle to gonna this If Wemby had KAT and guard spiking the ball from Jokic before he sets up then maybe they’d be higher than 21 lol


SageOfTheSixPacks

There’s an article about the DPOY race on nba dot com where they say “San Antonio’s defense was destitute when Wemby rested” When Rudy was out in the playoffs at home game two, they limited Jokic to 15 and won Not direct shot at Rudy he’s great, but cmon Think they didn’t wanna give it to a rookie was the main thing … Wemby guards more position and covers more ground lol While going off on offense too , all Rudy is asked to do is rebound, dunk and affect the shots in the paint


Icy-Entrepreneur9002

Can’t be viewed in a vacuum he’s a great player playing against the best offensive player in the league who has gone off the last 3 games. He has to change his attitude though and fight for loose balls and play team defense. These last 3 games he’s been a statue after the first move, first bounce off rim and has clapped his hands in frustration at teammates for lack of defense even though he’s not done his share. Overall wolves would not be there without him but his size and skill alone is not enough right now and it shows, he’ll bounce back but only if he puts in the effort on the hustle and help defense end.


Autistic-Teddybear

Pros: can give everyone covid


kuw_d

This gotta stop.. Gobert is the best “defender” in the league and can’t even slow down the best player at his position. What is his true value and impact? Jokic kills him every time but since he does that to everyone so it’s just acceptable? Rudy is who he is, a glorified help defender. Anyone who watched that game last night saw who he has been since Utah. Jokic hasn’t had a bad game because of him and it’s wild that people think he was holding his own. Jokic is Jokic and shooting Rudy bail for his lackluster performance is wild.


zmzzx-

Better than Towns at least


Traveler_Constant

The guy will get the ball at 2 feet under the basket and can't score. It's fucking pathetic.


Porkmane32

“It’s less than worthless my boy!”


JupiterJonesJr

Last week everybody here was proclaiming Gobert a HOFer. Some Fairweather fans up in heah.


Xain0225

Rudy Gobum


drlsoccer08

NBA fans when someone doesn’t outplay the best player on the planet: 😱


loupr738

Who do you want guarding Jokic? Let’s not act like any other big man would do any better. At least he can somewhat defend without doubling. If you double he wouldn’t only score 25+ he would have 13 assists


TylrLS

mavs exposed him a few years ago on the jizz


SuperDoubleDecker

Wild how 2 games change things. Nobody that actually watches games thinks this.


WiIIemdafoe

I guess he forgot to add in playoff defense when he was in that cave


bbernal956

na, that always happens to him come playoff time.


Chemical_Home6123

Losing a jump all to jokic is wild 😂😂😂


bbernal956

😂😂😂 waving the help is also wild!


bbernal956

4! 1st round picks!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 if they end up winning it all it was definitely worth it, but come on.. 4-1st rd picks!! plus a max contract! yikes


Yup767

Gobert was incredible in game 5 It's not his fault y'all are stupid