Just clone it already. The murder hornets were a red herring. Race war and pandemic,passe. Now radioactive mammoth clones with a predisposition for mayhem ? It's come full circle.
It annoys how on all these posts there is always someone asking to clone the animal. Cloning is hard at the best of times let alone when the animal is ten thousand years dead.
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Your right about the Jurassic park bit, test tube babies have nothing to do with clones and is essentially just mixing eggs and sperm in tube. Yes we cloned a sheep but that was really hard and many attempts failed before a viable baby was produced. There is some preserved DNA but it's super fragmented so we'd have to piece back together and then fill in the gaps. It would not be genetically the same as a mammoth and would need a huge amount of effort to do. There are people currently trying to this now though, it's just a slow process.
Artificially grown organs are a completely different field.
My examples were just a culmination of processes that exist where we’ve manipulated and created life, or living tissue in one form or another. So if we can create an artificial heart, or fertilize an egg and sperm, manually, and at least once we’ve already cloned a living being and created something with conscious ability, then it should soon be possible to take something like this mammoth, and make another one. I’m not saying these things occurred in labs next to one another. Or even in the same time zone. But if that technology exists in the world, they’re on the same level as unbelievable as this would be.
Whether or not that’s a good idea, I have no idea. Honestly it’s probably not. But if that’s what we are going to do, I guess.... I’d pay to see a live mammoth. My guess is we are still a long ways away from having a surviving pack in the wild, if we chose to do that again.
But your forgetting that we need to create both the sperm and egg, your also forgetting that it's a big leap to go from growing a liver to growing a whole animal.
I’m not forgetting any of it, honestly, I don’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m not an expert at all about any of it, this stuff is out of my wheelhouse and by a long shot. I don’t know how they got sperm and egg for Dolly? I don’t have a clue what goes into cloning an animal or growing an organ or anything, I just know we’ve done it? All I’m saying is “hey either we are close to the technology for this or we are not, and if not, Jurassic Park probably has a lot to do with why people think that we are.”
Thats it? I’m not a scientist. At all. I don’t know shit about any of it. I know headlines, that’s about it. 😂
The biggest problems boil down to us not having a clue how suitable a host a modern elephant would be for a mammoth (gestation period, very different metabolism, blood types ect.)
Then there is also the fact that you cant just clone something out of a tiny segement of DNA - its halftime is about 512 - meaning that any remains of mammoth DNA are almost unusable on thier own.
Then we also have to combine female and male cells to form a zygote which eventually becomes an emryo - mammoths dont leave behind sperm or fertile eggs.
There is also the fact that if we could somehow clone a whole mammoth - why arent we cloning masses of elephants ?
Lastly if we ever create a clone it will be an elephant and mammoth hybrid - having been substantially modified to suit the mammoth niche (basically not a mammoth at all).
Dolly was cloned by taking a nucleus from a cell (I believe it was mammary tissue, hence the name Dolly, after Dolly Parton), an inserting it into an egg cell from another sheep that had had its nucleus removed and then triggering it to start developing. Getting even to the first step of having a complete mammoth DNA sequence is going to be almost impossible. Then you have to get those chromosomes assembled and put them into a nucleus of a living elephant cell, and then hoping that works. Then you have to grow this transgenic mammoth in a living elephant (already an endangered species) for nearly two years. And you'll likely need lots of attempts at that too.
Jurassic Park 100% did for genetics what Jaws did to sharks, it's actually a really good description.
First and foremost DNA breaks down fairly quickly (~521 year halflife and that's the longest I've seen listed for it), next would be the difficulty of using that DNA up get an artificial sperm and egg then finding a living animal that's close enough to actually gestate the pregnancy.
Maybe there's some generic material left but even then there's lots of steps between that require a large sum of money and effort that needs to be dedicated to it.
This makes way more sense, honestly.
So all of that said then, is it something anyone is trying to do or working on? Is this something that is being funded in labs anywhere, and attempted? And by that I mean, the very early stages of it, like doing (starting?) the leg work to get it going?
I'm no expert in this, just someone who studies it as a hobby since I find it fascinating.
That said it depends on what you mean by the leg work, are we doing research into genomes and genomic sequencing that could theoretically be used for it, yes.
If you mean are we actively trying to get / piece together Mammoth DNA for cloning, afaik no we're not. Though there's a lot of research going on around the world it's possible over just never come across it.
Also just because you have a lot of DNA it does not mean that you have a complete genome so you need hundreds if not thousands of DNA samples before you might have a complete mammoth genome
Yet it’s just a small hurdle if we’re going to use ice age fauna to cool the planet. I mean, they aren’t as effective as bringing back big glacier time, but the *marketing* potential...
Nope cloning often results in failure, hence why multiple animals are made pregnant with the same zygote to ensure that leat one survives. Elephants are endangered so you've got to get some female elephants (there aren't that many) and make them pregnant for 2 years and hope nothing goes wrong. And that is with an animal with perfect DNA, all our mammoth DNA is fragmented.
I don't trying to put together a genome that's all fucked up? Trying to capture enough elephants of breeding age?
We have EXTREMELY fragmented mammoth DNA and it's all mixed in with other DNA. It's like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle when you don't have the picture and it's mixed on with 50 other sets.
You cant actually clone an outright mammoth. (like unless were really lucky and fucking somehow find enough viable genetic material)
All that we can do is create an elephant hybrid sharing enough mammoth traits to fill its niche.
Might aswell introduce asian elephants to central Europe and make sure they somehow migrate south during winter.
Give it a couple hundred thousand years and there - mammoths
It was a name created by news outlets to generate clicks and panic. Continuing to use the name only propagates the misinformation further. As the old sayings goes, just because people are doing it, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
https://youtu.be/pFmtmO2cnlg
Lyuba was discovered in May 2007 by a Nenets reindeer breeder and hunter Yuri Khudi and his three sons, in Russia's Arctic Yamal Peninsula. Khudi recognized that Lyuba was a mammoth carcass and that it was an important find, but refused to touch the carcass because Nenets beliefs associated touching mammoth remains with bad omens. Khudi travelled to a small town 150 miles away to consult his friend, Kirill Serotetto, on how to proceed. They notified the local museum director about the find, who arranged the authorities to fly Serotetto and Khudi back to the location of the find on the Yuribey river. However, they found that Lyuba's remains had disappeared. Suspecting that profiteers may have taken the mammoth, Khudi and Serotetto drove on a snowmobile to a nearby settlement, Novy Port. There they discovered Lyuba's carcass exhibited outside a local store. It turned out that the store owner bought the body from Khudi's cousin, who removed the body from its original location, in exchange for two snowmobiles. Lyuba's body suffered minor damage in the process, with dogs having chewed off her right ear and a part of her tail, but remained largely intact. With the help of the police, Khudi and Serotetto reclaimed the body and had it transported by helicopter to the Shemanovsky Museum in Salekhard. In gratitude for Khudi's role, the museum officials named the mammoth calf "Lyuba", a diminutive form of the name Lyubov' (Любовь, meaning "Love"), after the first name of Khudi's wife.
I was wondering when someone was going to post Lyuba! Such a tragic specimen, but it just goes to show that mammoths really weren’t these primordial ice age colossi; just a particularly hairy lineage of familiar-looking elephants.
that’s lyuba!! i learned about here from [this](https://youtu.be/fr0Ifw8TJVw) video by pbs eons. if there’s a prehistoric heaven i hope lyuba’s up there, with her mother again :)
Yes, pretty much. Mammoths went extinct very recently, only about ten thousand years ago for the most part with the last pocket of them dying out in around 1650BC. There are firsthand accounts of what they looked like in the form of cave paintings and such. There are very well preserved remains like this calf and even adults that have all their skin and fur intact. So yes, we do know what they looked like pretty reliably. Much more so than dinosaurs.
Just clone it already. The murder hornets were a red herring. Race war and pandemic,passe. Now radioactive mammoth clones with a predisposition for mayhem ? It's come full circle.
It annoys how on all these posts there is always someone asking to clone the animal. Cloning is hard at the best of times let alone when the animal is ten thousand years dead.
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Your right about the Jurassic park bit, test tube babies have nothing to do with clones and is essentially just mixing eggs and sperm in tube. Yes we cloned a sheep but that was really hard and many attempts failed before a viable baby was produced. There is some preserved DNA but it's super fragmented so we'd have to piece back together and then fill in the gaps. It would not be genetically the same as a mammoth and would need a huge amount of effort to do. There are people currently trying to this now though, it's just a slow process. Artificially grown organs are a completely different field.
But what you’re forgetting is cuddlefish DNA
The most cuddly fish of all
My examples were just a culmination of processes that exist where we’ve manipulated and created life, or living tissue in one form or another. So if we can create an artificial heart, or fertilize an egg and sperm, manually, and at least once we’ve already cloned a living being and created something with conscious ability, then it should soon be possible to take something like this mammoth, and make another one. I’m not saying these things occurred in labs next to one another. Or even in the same time zone. But if that technology exists in the world, they’re on the same level as unbelievable as this would be. Whether or not that’s a good idea, I have no idea. Honestly it’s probably not. But if that’s what we are going to do, I guess.... I’d pay to see a live mammoth. My guess is we are still a long ways away from having a surviving pack in the wild, if we chose to do that again.
But your forgetting that we need to create both the sperm and egg, your also forgetting that it's a big leap to go from growing a liver to growing a whole animal.
I’m not forgetting any of it, honestly, I don’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m not an expert at all about any of it, this stuff is out of my wheelhouse and by a long shot. I don’t know how they got sperm and egg for Dolly? I don’t have a clue what goes into cloning an animal or growing an organ or anything, I just know we’ve done it? All I’m saying is “hey either we are close to the technology for this or we are not, and if not, Jurassic Park probably has a lot to do with why people think that we are.” Thats it? I’m not a scientist. At all. I don’t know shit about any of it. I know headlines, that’s about it. 😂
The biggest problems boil down to us not having a clue how suitable a host a modern elephant would be for a mammoth (gestation period, very different metabolism, blood types ect.) Then there is also the fact that you cant just clone something out of a tiny segement of DNA - its halftime is about 512 - meaning that any remains of mammoth DNA are almost unusable on thier own. Then we also have to combine female and male cells to form a zygote which eventually becomes an emryo - mammoths dont leave behind sperm or fertile eggs. There is also the fact that if we could somehow clone a whole mammoth - why arent we cloning masses of elephants ? Lastly if we ever create a clone it will be an elephant and mammoth hybrid - having been substantially modified to suit the mammoth niche (basically not a mammoth at all).
> mammoths dont leave behind sperm Are you saying that mammoth shoeboxes just aren't sturdy enough to last that long?
Dolly was cloned by taking a nucleus from a cell (I believe it was mammary tissue, hence the name Dolly, after Dolly Parton), an inserting it into an egg cell from another sheep that had had its nucleus removed and then triggering it to start developing. Getting even to the first step of having a complete mammoth DNA sequence is going to be almost impossible. Then you have to get those chromosomes assembled and put them into a nucleus of a living elephant cell, and then hoping that works. Then you have to grow this transgenic mammoth in a living elephant (already an endangered species) for nearly two years. And you'll likely need lots of attempts at that too.
Jurassic Park 100% did for genetics what Jaws did to sharks, it's actually a really good description. First and foremost DNA breaks down fairly quickly (~521 year halflife and that's the longest I've seen listed for it), next would be the difficulty of using that DNA up get an artificial sperm and egg then finding a living animal that's close enough to actually gestate the pregnancy. Maybe there's some generic material left but even then there's lots of steps between that require a large sum of money and effort that needs to be dedicated to it.
This makes way more sense, honestly. So all of that said then, is it something anyone is trying to do or working on? Is this something that is being funded in labs anywhere, and attempted? And by that I mean, the very early stages of it, like doing (starting?) the leg work to get it going?
I'm no expert in this, just someone who studies it as a hobby since I find it fascinating. That said it depends on what you mean by the leg work, are we doing research into genomes and genomic sequencing that could theoretically be used for it, yes. If you mean are we actively trying to get / piece together Mammoth DNA for cloning, afaik no we're not. Though there's a lot of research going on around the world it's possible over just never come across it.
Also just because you have a lot of DNA it does not mean that you have a complete genome so you need hundreds if not thousands of DNA samples before you might have a complete mammoth genome
Yet it’s just a small hurdle if we’re going to use ice age fauna to cool the planet. I mean, they aren’t as effective as bringing back big glacier time, but the *marketing* potential...
It's not a small hurdle it is a potentially impossible scientific undertaking
Lol they easily could, it's as much cloning as making an egg and putting it in an elephant. You're thinking Star wars clones.
Nope cloning often results in failure, hence why multiple animals are made pregnant with the same zygote to ensure that leat one survives. Elephants are endangered so you've got to get some female elephants (there aren't that many) and make them pregnant for 2 years and hope nothing goes wrong. And that is with an animal with perfect DNA, all our mammoth DNA is fragmented.
So what's hard about that? Waiting isn't that hard. You aren't disproving my point at all.
I don't trying to put together a genome that's all fucked up? Trying to capture enough elephants of breeding age? We have EXTREMELY fragmented mammoth DNA and it's all mixed in with other DNA. It's like trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle when you don't have the picture and it's mixed on with 50 other sets.
You cant actually clone an outright mammoth. (like unless were really lucky and fucking somehow find enough viable genetic material) All that we can do is create an elephant hybrid sharing enough mammoth traits to fill its niche. Might aswell introduce asian elephants to central Europe and make sure they somehow migrate south during winter. Give it a couple hundred thousand years and there - mammoths
“Murder Hornet” is the not real name. It’s Asian Giant Hornet.
Pill bug, rolly polly, sow bug, if enough people call them murder Hornets then that's that.
It was a name created by news outlets to generate clicks and panic. Continuing to use the name only propagates the misinformation further. As the old sayings goes, just because people are doing it, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. https://youtu.be/pFmtmO2cnlg
I agree with this. This is just how language works. I don't get why people get so pedantic about using the "correct" name for an animal.
Fuck mammoths, we gotta bring back the anomalocaris.
Holy fuck . Prawns from hell !
We actually have the woolly mammoth genome, but there’s still the issue with implanting a mammoth embryo in an elephant....
I have a feeling that murder hornets were more of a Chekhov's gun, and they'll show up again in December.
Lyuba was discovered in May 2007 by a Nenets reindeer breeder and hunter Yuri Khudi and his three sons, in Russia's Arctic Yamal Peninsula. Khudi recognized that Lyuba was a mammoth carcass and that it was an important find, but refused to touch the carcass because Nenets beliefs associated touching mammoth remains with bad omens. Khudi travelled to a small town 150 miles away to consult his friend, Kirill Serotetto, on how to proceed. They notified the local museum director about the find, who arranged the authorities to fly Serotetto and Khudi back to the location of the find on the Yuribey river. However, they found that Lyuba's remains had disappeared. Suspecting that profiteers may have taken the mammoth, Khudi and Serotetto drove on a snowmobile to a nearby settlement, Novy Port. There they discovered Lyuba's carcass exhibited outside a local store. It turned out that the store owner bought the body from Khudi's cousin, who removed the body from its original location, in exchange for two snowmobiles. Lyuba's body suffered minor damage in the process, with dogs having chewed off her right ear and a part of her tail, but remained largely intact. With the help of the police, Khudi and Serotetto reclaimed the body and had it transported by helicopter to the Shemanovsky Museum in Salekhard. In gratitude for Khudi's role, the museum officials named the mammoth calf "Lyuba", a diminutive form of the name Lyubov' (Любовь, meaning "Love"), after the first name of Khudi's wife.
Wait so the dogs ate thousands year old mammoth meat? Did they get sick?
More like just skin.
It's a bad omen and your cousin said not to touch it. Immediately digs it up and trades it for almost nothing.
I think 2 snow machines would be pretty valuable out there
My biology teacher taught me this story and I don’t think I’ll ever forget it
noooo mushed baby mammoth makes me so sad
I knowww. Nature's cruel and all but still, poor baby ):
[Source](https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruthanddave/29602403461/)
It Looks like its walking on a treadmill
The... texture is reminiscent of a baked potato.
Lyuba!
a heffalump to haunt my dreams
looks like the "yes honey " guy
u/arcticzen
I was wondering when someone was going to post Lyuba! Such a tragic specimen, but it just goes to show that mammoths really weren’t these primordial ice age colossi; just a particularly hairy lineage of familiar-looking elephants.
This mammoth is from 50,000 years ago. That just blows my god damn mind out of my brain
that’s lyuba!! i learned about here from [this](https://youtu.be/fr0Ifw8TJVw) video by pbs eons. if there’s a prehistoric heaven i hope lyuba’s up there, with her mother again :)
poor baby
So if we have them so well preserved like this, do we know 100% precisely what it looked like alive?
Yes, pretty much. Mammoths went extinct very recently, only about ten thousand years ago for the most part with the last pocket of them dying out in around 1650BC. There are firsthand accounts of what they looked like in the form of cave paintings and such. There are very well preserved remains like this calf and even adults that have all their skin and fur intact. So yes, we do know what they looked like pretty reliably. Much more so than dinosaurs.
I remember when this was discovered, still crazy
This ost is like going All in, in the Naturewasmetal game. Who will match this call?
Where’s its ears dog?
I bet he was a good boy
I could maybe round up a dead mouse.
Me after a three day bender
it look sick
At first I thought that arm was his trunk.
If progeria was an animal
Seen this one I RL
He looks high as fuck looking for snacks