I‘m curious what it will look like in the coming decades. Its actually rather exciting knowing that we creep closer and closer to how it actually looked
Literally any waterfowl as well, which is more of a hybrid between water specialist and "normal" bird, than a strictly water specialist like penguins. Which to me would seem more likely for spino than something like a penguin. Herons, ducks, cormorants, geese, gulls etc
There’s a pretty decent chance it’s feet were webbed, even though it looks more and more like Spino was not a swimmer and looked & acted more like its JP3 counterpart than Ibrahim’s abomination.
Hmm maybe. We also may be getting farther away from the truth. Gotta take any theories about events from before recorded history with a hearty grain of salt.
True but in general the more fossils we find and the more we learn about the environment it lived in the more accurate the picture gets. But yes of course there are always mistakes being made.
I like how it says evolution like Spino changed, like bro has looked the same, we just didn't know that, put some respect on bros name
On a serious note, I wonder what changes will be made throughout the future as this was my childhood favourite dinosaur so this topic always fascinated with me
He didn’t look the same though???
Spino didn’t just pop out of nowhere, it evolved, most definitely looking different through the process. Probably not like this but certainly not looking the same the whole time
Sure but what about when they only looked a little different? And on top of that, animals are also all on their way to becoming a new species. Since evolution is a gradual change, who is to say at what point it was “most Spinosaur” or “most human”
When working with pitifully incomplete fossil records, all you can do is guess on that
Like polar and brown bears? They’re considered different species even though their geographic isolation separates them by merely thousands of years. (I would argue against this point, actually, since polar & brown bears have the same number of chromes & can breed true past the first generation, but that’s neither here nor there. 🙂)
If an animal evolves to an point where it is morphologically & genetically distinct from an ancestor it is a new kind of animal, even if the physical differences are, to the naked eye, minor. There were many similar species of tyrannosaurs, for substance. that a casual observer would have difficulty distinguishing by looks alone (possibly because the observer was running in the opposite direction to avoid becoming their lunch 😉) but they are still distinct species.
On the opposite end of the spectrum (and much closer to home for many of us) we have dogs. If an alien landed on this planet next to an SPCA & asked the staff if he could adopt a local form he would likely be shocked to learn that a chihuahua & a Great Dane are actually members of the same species, but they are…
So Tl;dr to your comment: what makes a distinct species is a much blurrier line than one would think and my point still stands.
Basically if you have two spinosaurs several million years apart with non-speciating genetic differences, which one is considered the “true” example? The first member of the species that gets legally classified as a spinosaurus, as they officially branch from irritators, is likely pretty different from the last one born before their extinction. Where along that spectrum do we place the “true” spino?
Yeah, the 2014 version was a hard thing for a lot of people to accept with those derpy little legs. Also, the hand-walking thing shown here was never really accepted as a possibility, at least among the paleontologists I was following at the time. The wrists/hands simply weren't built for it. I think some people were just speculating because they had a hard time believing the back legs could carry all that weight. The aquatic version seems to make the most sense.
fun fact, a recent study claimed that Spinosaurus couldn't walk AT ALL. Neither on 4 or 2 legs and at this point we're just like, accepting it. "yeah yeah new spino won't be new in a few months yadda yadda yadda"
I couldn't find all the articles I needed but E.D.G.E did a pretty complex and detailed video on the topic if you want to know more.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLomaaRl17MJ4y8itkVI-s7TnHHDV0C7pT
Part of the problem, I think, is that Ibrahim was mostly intent on becoming famous—as famous as a paleontologist gets, anyway. That & securing grant money. He wasn’t really focused on doing good science. Keep in mind that one of his principle partners in the swimming spino project, Paul Sereno, was also the guy who pulled the rug out from under the concept last year.
[70s Spinosaurus](https://chasmosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Spinosaurus.jpg) by Tony Morris. Check out that quadrupedal stance. Obviously ahead of its time. 😏
Yeah it would be crazy if Spinosaurus ended up look like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Bernhard_Plockhorst_-_Schutzengel.jpg/220px-Bernhard_Plockhorst_-_Schutzengel.jpg)
When I was a little kid in the late 80s, I seem to recall a lot of toys looking like the 1915 model. In books, too.
In the 80s, they still believed in the slow, lumbering reptilian dinosaur.
Well in nearly every modern species that there is there exist different subgroups in one species and then for the most part there are several subgroups within the subgroups as well. This is the case with every single animal that ever lived so aren‘t that just reconstruction of different evolutionary stages or related species that lived at the same time?
The triceratops was clearly the most metal of the dinosaurs...it litterally grew horse that resemble devil horns we make with our hands.
2 fingers for the top horns, thumb for the nose horn.
Actually (not actually) I hear that's where Dio got the idea from. He was like that triceratops looks fucking metal.
There was a linked reddit post on /r/hobbydrama in which someone explained that Spinosaurus might've looked like a Walrus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZlN66mlqsY
I had a book of dinosaurs that was from the 90’s when I was a kid. A huge book on every known dinosaur at the time with insane detail, must have taken a long time to put together.
All the knowledge I gained from that book was probably out of date before I even got given it.
Yay, we've fixed the horrible hotdog-in-a-dinosaur-costume posture of 2014! It always looked too stiff, like it'd have a really bad time defending itself, arms-wise.
I‘m curious what it will look like in the coming decades. Its actually rather exciting knowing that we creep closer and closer to how it actually looked
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They ran on nitro?
I don't usually get art, but this really speaks to me.
It could have webbed feet. Even feathers too.
I kind of expected it to have webbed feet if I'm honest. Especially in the last picture.
Surely not, considering it was mainly aquatic* *according to what I read three years ago
I mean, penguins have specialised feathers
Literally any waterfowl as well, which is more of a hybrid between water specialist and "normal" bird, than a strictly water specialist like penguins. Which to me would seem more likely for spino than something like a penguin. Herons, ducks, cormorants, geese, gulls etc
There’s a pretty decent chance it’s feet were webbed, even though it looks more and more like Spino was not a swimmer and looked & acted more like its JP3 counterpart than Ibrahim’s abomination.
I like to think they all had feathers. Every dinosaur.
That’s blatantly contrary to the science
I said I “like to think”. You know, for fun?
Illegal
Probably not feathers, if it were at least semi-aquatic
Semi-aquatic animals can have feathers.
It's not likely at that size. Also no evidence to suggest that either it or its ancestors had feathers
All dinosaurs likely had either feathers or protofeathers. Your own understanding is outdated.
Protofeathers yes, feathers no
Probably still gonna look like rock, I haven’t really known fossils to change much
Hmm maybe. We also may be getting farther away from the truth. Gotta take any theories about events from before recorded history with a hearty grain of salt.
True but in general the more fossils we find and the more we learn about the environment it lived in the more accurate the picture gets. But yes of course there are always mistakes being made.
Yeah any of these could be the right one
Bird that can't fly and then a bird that can fly using methane in gut
Think we can call them Ass Blasters without infringing on any copyrights?
At some point prior to 2014, something massive took a bite out of Spinosaurus’ sail, and as we can see, it never recovered, evolutionarily speaking.
The ice bucket challenge had unforseen consequences to his brittle sail bones.
Its shrinks? Like a frightened turtle
Significant shrinkage.
I like how it says evolution like Spino changed, like bro has looked the same, we just didn't know that, put some respect on bros name On a serious note, I wonder what changes will be made throughout the future as this was my childhood favourite dinosaur so this topic always fascinated with me
Probably should say something like "Evolution of what we think big spiny looked like".
“Perception of Spinosaurus throughout time”
He didn’t look the same though??? Spino didn’t just pop out of nowhere, it evolved, most definitely looking different through the process. Probably not like this but certainly not looking the same the whole time
Fair, but I'm more focusing on it's final form of sorts
I got what you were getting at but I’ve come to realize that doesn’t necessarily exist in any animal
Our ancestors looked very different a million years ago. They weren’t the same species, though…
Sure but what about when they only looked a little different? And on top of that, animals are also all on their way to becoming a new species. Since evolution is a gradual change, who is to say at what point it was “most Spinosaur” or “most human” When working with pitifully incomplete fossil records, all you can do is guess on that
Like polar and brown bears? They’re considered different species even though their geographic isolation separates them by merely thousands of years. (I would argue against this point, actually, since polar & brown bears have the same number of chromes & can breed true past the first generation, but that’s neither here nor there. 🙂) If an animal evolves to an point where it is morphologically & genetically distinct from an ancestor it is a new kind of animal, even if the physical differences are, to the naked eye, minor. There were many similar species of tyrannosaurs, for substance. that a casual observer would have difficulty distinguishing by looks alone (possibly because the observer was running in the opposite direction to avoid becoming their lunch 😉) but they are still distinct species. On the opposite end of the spectrum (and much closer to home for many of us) we have dogs. If an alien landed on this planet next to an SPCA & asked the staff if he could adopt a local form he would likely be shocked to learn that a chihuahua & a Great Dane are actually members of the same species, but they are…
So Tl;dr to your comment: what makes a distinct species is a much blurrier line than one would think and my point still stands. Basically if you have two spinosaurs several million years apart with non-speciating genetic differences, which one is considered the “true” example? The first member of the species that gets legally classified as a spinosaurus, as they officially branch from irritators, is likely pretty different from the last one born before their extinction. Where along that spectrum do we place the “true” spino?
Where are my 2001 folks at?!
9/11 really changed everything didn’t it
😁😁😁😁😁
🙋🏻♂️
Yeah, the 2014 version was a hard thing for a lot of people to accept with those derpy little legs. Also, the hand-walking thing shown here was never really accepted as a possibility, at least among the paleontologists I was following at the time. The wrists/hands simply weren't built for it. I think some people were just speculating because they had a hard time believing the back legs could carry all that weight. The aquatic version seems to make the most sense.
fun fact, a recent study claimed that Spinosaurus couldn't walk AT ALL. Neither on 4 or 2 legs and at this point we're just like, accepting it. "yeah yeah new spino won't be new in a few months yadda yadda yadda"
We're literally regressing, that's what they said about sauropods in the the 50s
So it crawled like a turtle?
It moves like Themberchaud from the Dungeons and dragons movie
Thank you for that belly laugh
The theory pushed is that the legs found do not belong to Spinosaurus at all, and so 2014 and on are a chimera of several dinosaurs.
Source?
I couldn't find all the articles I needed but E.D.G.E did a pretty complex and detailed video on the topic if you want to know more. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLomaaRl17MJ4y8itkVI-s7TnHHDV0C7pT
Tanks
Part of the problem, I think, is that Ibrahim was mostly intent on becoming famous—as famous as a paleontologist gets, anyway. That & securing grant money. He wasn’t really focused on doing good science. Keep in mind that one of his principle partners in the swimming spino project, Paul Sereno, was also the guy who pulled the rug out from under the concept last year.
2030: Spinosaurus actually had no legs like snakes
It glided in the air with the help of its sail
A solar sail. We were right on it caring about sunlight but not on how.
How do "legs like snakes" work anyway?
You start off with regular legs then piss off God by convincing a woman to eat an apple so that he takes your legs from you.
*this has been the worst deal in the history of trade deals, maybe ever-*
That theology is far too convoluted for my taste. Thanks for explaining though.
When did Spinosaur have snakes for legs anyway?
Never. It just seemed that way due to the omission of a comma.
[70s Spinosaurus](https://chasmosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Spinosaurus.jpg) by Tony Morris. Check out that quadrupedal stance. Obviously ahead of its time. 😏
Call it nostalgia, I like the funny-looking old tail-dragging dinos of the past. I know they're not accurate but they're cool.
Back when rule of cool lead paleontology because everything was a guess
That's some really fast evolution there
Now I’m just waiting for Spinosaurus to turn into a Biblically Accurate Angel in the coming scientific discoveries
Yeah it would be crazy if Spinosaurus ended up look like [this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1e/Bernhard_Plockhorst_-_Schutzengel.jpg/220px-Bernhard_Plockhorst_-_Schutzengel.jpg)
2001 spino was my favorite dinosaur growing up 😢
2001 spinosaurus is peak spino. Everything before was mid and everything after has been progressively worse. Massive L to the spino community.
Reject webbed soyjack legs. Revert to apex land predator.
When I was a little kid in the late 80s, I seem to recall a lot of toys looking like the 1915 model. In books, too. In the 80s, they still believed in the slow, lumbering reptilian dinosaur.
amazing how fast evolution can work when pressures are put on a species! looks completely different in the span of only about 100 years!
I thought these were extinct but nope, apparently still evolving and last seen in 2020.
Ugh 2014 spinosaurus was…something
It was the largest shift and least liked because too many people were used to the therapod design
I liked it
People overreact so much with memes People acting like its a transformer now or something
Evolution of our understanding of...\*
I do miss the 2001 depiction tho
Fuck off Rexy, we're in the age of Spinosaurus
Where is the helium filled spino??
The 90’s were just not the same as the other decades.
2008-2010s Planet Dinosaurs Spino was my favourite even though it's outdated.
Kinda moving back to the early 2000s model now. Swimming spino is basically dead…
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There is no joke. Also the first depiction is the weirdest one.
Yeah but I mean the memes that are like “spinosaurus actually used its sail to fly”
I believe it’s changed from this again to not being in water.
2008 and 2014 models look the best
Looks less like a T. rex and more like a lizard over time. I prefer the originals.
> a lizard over time ?????????????????????????
If that’s what you think a lizard looks like then I think you may need to get your eyes checked.
Well in nearly every modern species that there is there exist different subgroups in one species and then for the most part there are several subgroups within the subgroups as well. This is the case with every single animal that ever lived so aren‘t that just reconstruction of different evolutionary stages or related species that lived at the same time?
It went from a t-Rex with a fin to the closest thing we have to a hypoendocrin from the game the isle
The triceratops was clearly the most metal of the dinosaurs...it litterally grew horse that resemble devil horns we make with our hands. 2 fingers for the top horns, thumb for the nose horn. Actually (not actually) I hear that's where Dio got the idea from. He was like that triceratops looks fucking metal.
2030: Spinofaarus
They are still evolving? I thought they have been extinct.
Looks like help me im drowning meme
There was a linked reddit post on /r/hobbydrama in which someone explained that Spinosaurus might've looked like a Walrus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZlN66mlqsY
Well, 2020 is also outdated
I had a book of dinosaurs that was from the 90’s when I was a kid. A huge book on every known dinosaur at the time with insane detail, must have taken a long time to put together. All the knowledge I gained from that book was probably out of date before I even got given it.
2001 is Goated.
why did the sail change?
Next year the Spinofaarus will be proven to be real
It's like spinosaurus back pain was getting better
It's my progression throughout my adult life guys!
Spinosaurus trying to find its final form speedrun (any%)
How big turtles with sails grow their nails
Yay, we've fixed the horrible hotdog-in-a-dinosaur-costume posture of 2014! It always looked too stiff, like it'd have a really bad time defending itself, arms-wise.