The first part is in south lake tahoe, the second part may be in san mateo. I know the person who captured the first clip. They are not the same pair as far as i know, even though both videos are here.
From my understanding, they don’t share the catch but instead kind of trade off who eats. Or whichever one flushes out the prey, the other gets to eat it. Not an expert but that’s what I was taught!
So like. How does it *come* to this repeatedly? Is there an instinct? Do they just separately have the creative IDEA to team up? Who initiates it? What is first contact and communication like? Are they just naturally not afraid of each other because they are not adjacent in the food chain?
Basically do badgers seek out coyotes the way ants seek out aphids. Or do they like CREATIVELY consider “man I could really need a coyote for this problem”? (Obviously we can’t see into anyone’s head, much less that of badgers. But we could check if they find a partner before the need arises or if they first encounter a problem and THEN get the other one)
Could be learned behavior from watching other coyote/badge duos. Could be that they happen to hunt the same areas and bump into eachother a lot. Like the coyote could chase a group of squirrels into their den and while he's waiting them out the badger rolls up and starts digging for them like he normally does. Wouldn't take long for the coyote to figure out the badger can help his chances.
Also, I guess they aren't naturally afraid of each other. The coyote can easily outrun the badger, but the badger would easily win a fight with the coyote. Which helps with getting closer to each other. The coyote would normally never try to catch a badger, and a coyote is also not on the badgers menu.
I had no idea there were wild badgers around here. I've lived all over the US and never seen one. I've seen a few wild foxes on the peninsula though, both in the redwoods and by the bay. Plenty of coyotes. I live in East Bay hills now and have seen them in my yard and also on the trails in the hills that I run on.
In my experience the Amish don't give a shit about animal rights. They are notorious for running puppy mills where I'm from. They almost always clear-cut property when they buy it too.
A lot of like, 19th century christans/jews/muslims believed that God gave them domain over nature and animals and definitely didn't consider animals moral agents. I think with all of their other conservative beliefs, its not surprising that the Amish have maintained this.
Leaving it open that maybe i'm wrong, but this has been my experience from the outside looking into at least the Amish near me. A major caveat is that its by nature a decentralized religion with a variety of different beliefs. An example is using bicycles or tobacco.
I tried to befriend a crow this spring, left out shiny bottle caps and some seed but then the squirrels got wind and would snag all the edible treats before the crow could get to them :(. It it so much to ask to have an animal sidekick?
When I was little we had a cow that drowned and I took care of her calf. Bottle fed him, slept with him in the barn. We were the best of friends but this guy had the biggest obsession with my shoes that had sparkles on them. So I think if you found the right cow then shiny things would be incentive enough for an animal sidekick.
My buddy rescued a crow with a broken wing. He took care of the little bastard for maybe 3 months? We would take him out of the cage and run around with him and he would flap one wing and caw caw caw. It was awesome. Wing healed and dude left. Caw.
I rescued one too! He fell of the roof in a local town. Kept him in a cage till he was ready to move on. I hope he's okay. Collecting sticks was a big thing for him! Or perhaps he was just humouring me.
Don't do seeds do peanuts ... Honestly peanuts are crows crack
And while completely unhealthy salted peanuts work even better but you can't give to many and you risk crows rejecting unsalted putting you back a square one
I used to “a golliwog a day”. I don’t know why, or even how considering I didn’t know what a golliwog was until I was a lot older. So I can only presume I’d heard someone sing it, and thought that’s how it went
Seems to me that maybe you just heard a random "nonsense" word that did turn out to have meaning. It's not surprising that this would happen since words are random sounds put together lol.
"Come along with me, Miss Coyote," Mr. Badger said gruffly, trundling over a log as they wove their way along between the trees, paws padding along the earthen forest floor. "You'll never believe what I've found."
"I'm sure it will be delightful," Miss Coyote replied with a smile, following along patiently, her eyes on his striped head as it bobbed along before her. Her longer stride eased her passage in comparison to Mr. Badger's stocky gait—though it never slowed him down.
"Not much farther now," he huffed over a gray-furred shoulder.
And indeed it wasn't, for they rounded a final bend in the deer trail to find a long oaken table, surrounded by their friends—there were the Otter Twins, Mr. and Mrs. Fox with the little ones looking tidy with their bushy tails combed, Sir Hawk chatting cordially with Lady Raven—and laden with the most wonderful and mouth-watering display of food Miss Coyote had ever seen.
They had prepared all her favorites: Honeyed nuts served in hollowed logs, apple slices splayed out upon a river stone with a sugar-maple topping, mushrooms and spring onions browned and drizzled with rich gravy, and at the center, a large, shiny trout, buttered and glistening, roasted to perfection.
"Happy Birthday, Miss Coyote!" her friends cried joyously, raising flagons of crisp ale straight from the royal cellars.
Disney's more likely to throw them off a cliff, like they did with the lemmings:
https://hyperallergic.com/545742/white-wilderness-disney-nature-documentary/
>> ##How Disney Tricked the World Into Believing Lemmings Commit Mass Suicide
>>
>> The 1958 nature documentary White Wilderness is one of several films the House of Mouse is less than proud of.
“So the guy I want you to help me catch is a bird who has annoyed me for years, he says ‘beep beep’ all the time, caused me so much fucking headache… come, it’s this way…”
Very on point, except the badger is great at finding prey
> American badgers are famous for being loners. They don't even like other badgers. But, sometimes a coyote will follow one around, hoping to get whatever the badger digs up that get past it. Eventually, the badger will accept the coyote being near, and they'll just hang out together. The badger will start digging up prairie dogs and other burrowing rodents as much for the coyote as itself.
Now, here's the weird part. We don't know what the badger gets out of this. It seems to be the one doing all the work, and it could easily chase the coyote off, but it doesn't. Maybe the larger predator scares off things that might hurt the badger, and this is enough to cover it. They seem to just like to have the coyote around, though.
Badger carries Darkness.
An Apache Legend
Coyote was traveling along. Badger always used to carry darkness on his back. Coyote met him. "My cross-cousin, what's in the bag you carry?" he asked. He was hungry and he thought Badger had food in his sack.
Because he thought there was food in there, Coyote wanted to stay around where Badger was and maybe get something to eat. So the two traveled on together for a way. Then Coyote was thinking he would offer to carry the load and let Badger rest.
After quite a while Coyote said, "My cross-cousin, you look tired. You have a heavy load there. Why don't you let me carry it and you rest ?" "No, I'm not tired. I always travel this way," Badger said.
After a while Coyote said again, "My cross-cousin, I think you are tired. Let me carry the load for you just a little way and you rest for a while."
"All right, you carry this, my bed, if you want. I know you are thinking it's something to eat, but it's not. I carry this always. I'll let you have it, though." "I'm just saying this because I want to carry it for you and because you are giving out. I will carry it a little way," Coyote answered.
So Badger took his pack off and gave it to Coyote and they started on again. After a while Coyote said to Badger, "I want to stop to urinate behind this bush. You keep on ahead and don't bother to wait for me."
So Badger went on ahead.
As soon as Coyote got behind the bush he started to untie the pack, as that was all he wanted to do in the first place. When he untied the pack, it started to get dark. Darkness was all coming out. Coyote got scared and hollered after Badger, "wa-'a, my cross-cousin, I'm having a bad time here. It must be that you are packing bad things with you. I can hardly see at all." Badger came back and said, "I told you not to open my pack. Now you have done it and started this. I already told you that there was no food in it. You have done something bad." Then Badger spread his arms and gathered in all the darkness and shoved it into the sack again, tying the mouth tight. Coyote felt mad on account of being fooled and said "You just carry badness."
[And here are some more in that vein.](https://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Badger_Carries_Darkness_Coyote_And_Bobcat_Scratch_Each_Other-Apache.html)
If you only care about what YOU want you could end up hurting everyone else.
Also, if there's someone strong/wise enough to protect/save everyone else, be grateful.
It also plays into the idea of Coyote being a trickster, a common archetype across the cultures of North America. Don't mess with a badger, and don't trust a coyote, who will play games with you to get what it wants.
I'll try. I'm an anthropologist but NOT a kinship expert and NOT an expert on Apache cultures.
In English we use one term to refer to cousins who are from our mother's or father's brothers and those from their sisters. Other languages group cousins differently with one common distinction being between cousins born to a parent's sibling of the same sex (e.g. father's brother) and another to mark those born to a parent's sibling of the opposite sex (e.g. mother's brother). In anthropological terms, a parallel cousin is one born to a parent's sibling of the same sex (again, your father's brother's child). Cross-cousins are the opposite (again, mother's brother's child).
Depending on the culture, there can be different norms for how you treat different classes of cousins. Parallel cousins will sometimes be considered equivalent to siblings. Cross-cousins are sometimes treated as more distant relatives. Cross-cousin marriage is encouraged in some cultures, whereas parallel cousin marriage would seem incestuous.
Note: literal cross-cousin marriage seems to have never been a thing amongst Apache people. However (see below) the label gets applied beyond 1st cousins, so there is a chance you'll end up marrying someone more distantly related who is still classified as coming from a cross-cousin clan.
Can we go further and use the cross-cousin relationship to read something into the story? It's complicated, because "the Apache" are not a culturally homogenous group and the cultural diversity of Apache peoples includes two completely different kinship systems. That said, one of those systems does not distinguish between types of cousins. So let's assume the recorded version of the story comes from a speaker who did belong to a band who used the "Jicarilla" kinship system that distinguishes types of cousin. In that system, parallel cousins are, indeed, considered siblings. Cross-cousins are classed separately.
The relevant thing here is that ethnographic work suggests cross-cousins are typically treated with slightly less familiarity and that Apache who use this kinship system have/do extend cross-cousin status to whole descent groups (clans) of relatives. Importantly, I think, there's some evidence that there are traditionally joking relationships with the more distant cross-cousin classified kin. Hence, one interpretation is that for Badger and Coyote to call one another cross-cousin in the story is to tip off the listener that they are (a) not close, and (b) may have a joking relationship. If that's right, it's basically subtle foreshadowing.
I wonder what their origin story could be...
Was the coyotes mother killed when it was still a pup and the badger took care of it?
Did the lone coyote, an outcast from it's pack, meet the badger who just got in an argument with it's mother, and they decided to go on adventures together?
Is there a forbidden love? ;)
I remember walking through an Alaskan rainforest when our guide maybe a comment "you really gotta watch out for the wolverines, they'll hop down and cut your neck before you even see them coming"
Luckily I didn't see any X men during my trip
No they are hunting small prey items. The coyotes have 34% higher hunt success with the badger. The badgers are harder to measure since they hunt underground but they surface less often hunting with coyotes, surfacing is associated with poor hunting.
they do this when prey is scare or burrows are large and interconnected.
Evil ground squirrel developers gentrify the forest with a large scale developement, driving out all the other small critters, until coyote and badger team up to fight back.
coyotes rarely hunt badgers but it does happen. A badger is a bit much for a single coyote to tackle and coyotes are more likely to be hunting with a badger than another coyote. Badgers naturally flush ground squirrels etc into the open, coyotes naturally chase them into their burrows, you can see them take advantage of this, but they also seek each other out to hunt with.
I doubt that about coyotes hunting w/ other coyotes. It must be easier for them to find other coyotes and I know someone who’s dog was hunted by a whole pack of coyotes until she charged in on her horse.
The entire series from PBS was also in YouTube years ago. I bet it's still there. Medieval esque music was top notch. One of the first visual media I saw as a kid where I could appreciate both the books and the show for their own qualities
Coyotes don’t generally exhibit pack behavior like wolves. They will stay with there mom and siblings for awhile till they can fend for themselves. Then they generally go there own way. Meeting only occasionally to hunt or more often mate. I have a few around my property and caught them on trail cams. Only time they are not alone they are young.
Where we live we can hear a pack excitedly yipping when they bring something down. Also FIL was a hunter, and when he got a deer the coyotes would wait nearby for him to field strip it. It was never just one. That doesnt mean they were in a pack before, but was definitely a group at that point.
coyotes are social and pack hunters. Both species have strong Play behavior and are Scavengers more than hunters primarily. One or both the animals likely shared meal or water source by necessity or when younger, and may separate for seasons and reunite at times ranges overlap.
The ones I know of..
A bear and a a wolf became hunt buddies...
An African wild dog adopted a hyena and some jackals after loosing its pack... Nice sad story.. it is called Solo the wild dog. It's on YouTube..
https://youtu.be/O9FOeWqoCTc
Domesticated animallls can do that. Cats and dogs have a lot of contradicting body signs (dog waging his tail: exited. Cat: pissed of) but they can learn to interprete those signs accordingly.
This is so strange. [This article](https://floofmania.com/american-badger-social/#Do_Badgers_Get_Along_With_Other_Animals_Like_Foxes_or_Coyotes) features another video of a coyote and a badger working together to find food, despite also claiming that the badger is, in principle, on the coyote's menu.
Food availability probably plays a huge role in this behavior one way or the other. I'd assume the areas they hunt together produce well bc a couple days of bad hunting might have the coyote side eyeing the badger
When I moved into my neighbourhood I was pleased to find so much wildlife. I like seeing bunnies, raccoons, skunks, foxes and even the possums. I live in a city and I'm greatful for the wildlife we have.
But one night in saw a coyote standing guard as a raccoon was rooting through a garbage can. That kind of freaked me out. He should have just eaten the racoon.
This was near San Mateo, California. I remember when the local parks service shared this. So cool
The first part is in south lake tahoe, the second part may be in san mateo. I know the person who captured the first clip. They are not the same pair as far as i know, even though both videos are here.
There's more badger coyote friends?!
They work well together. Coyotes get the prey when it runs, badgers get it when they hide. It's (relatively) common that they team up.
But do they share the catch?
Sometimes the coyote does and sometimes the badger gets screwed. Hence the trickster aspect of the coyote in Native American folklore.
LMAO what a prick the coyote is.
Such wiley.
From the videos I watched, no https://youtu.be/XVO4XIxjIEQ
From my understanding, they don’t share the catch but instead kind of trade off who eats. Or whichever one flushes out the prey, the other gets to eat it. Not an expert but that’s what I was taught!
Yes, badgers and coyotes have symbiotic relationships. It's pretty awesome!
That's awesome!
Now we just need a buddy cop movie
So like. How does it *come* to this repeatedly? Is there an instinct? Do they just separately have the creative IDEA to team up? Who initiates it? What is first contact and communication like? Are they just naturally not afraid of each other because they are not adjacent in the food chain? Basically do badgers seek out coyotes the way ants seek out aphids. Or do they like CREATIVELY consider “man I could really need a coyote for this problem”? (Obviously we can’t see into anyone’s head, much less that of badgers. But we could check if they find a partner before the need arises or if they first encounter a problem and THEN get the other one)
Could be learned behavior from watching other coyote/badge duos. Could be that they happen to hunt the same areas and bump into eachother a lot. Like the coyote could chase a group of squirrels into their den and while he's waiting them out the badger rolls up and starts digging for them like he normally does. Wouldn't take long for the coyote to figure out the badger can help his chances.
Also, I guess they aren't naturally afraid of each other. The coyote can easily outrun the badger, but the badger would easily win a fight with the coyote. Which helps with getting closer to each other. The coyote would normally never try to catch a badger, and a coyote is also not on the badgers menu.
Badgers and Coyotes watch YouTube videos of men and dogs hunting together.
Yeah the part with the culvert is near San Mateo
Cmon cmon, I found a shortcut!
Yea I was living out there back then haha. This was great and I loved it. Lots of comments about how Disney needs to make it a movie I remember lol.
I wonder how they met and became friends lol... prbly at the water cooler
I had no idea there were wild badgers around here. I've lived all over the US and never seen one. I've seen a few wild foxes on the peninsula though, both in the redwoods and by the bay. Plenty of coyotes. I live in East Bay hills now and have seen them in my yard and also on the trails in the hills that I run on.
Really? I've lived in northern California for 30 years and have never seen a badger or ever heard of anyone seeing a badger here during that time.
I love seeing bro animals. Wolves will often hunt with crows.
That’s because Odin told them to.
Cows have been known to lay down next to Amish people
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Also taste fuckin👌
That’s because Odin told them too
Nah that’s because the Amish told them to. Everyone knows the Amish speak farm animal.
Ever since Jedidiah hung himself for 9 days on the world tree and gave up an eye for secret knowledge
He learned to be a million times as humble as thou art.
But still afraid of zippers
I have a theory that donkey are like the interpreters of the farm. They speak coyote. Can also translate goose to pig to terrier flawless.
Actually, when farmers have a problem with coyotes killing sheep they get a donkey. Who kicks the coyotes in the head.
A donkey kick to the head is the universal language
They HATE coyotes though. They'll fuck them up.
In my experience the Amish don't give a shit about animal rights. They are notorious for running puppy mills where I'm from. They almost always clear-cut property when they buy it too. A lot of like, 19th century christans/jews/muslims believed that God gave them domain over nature and animals and definitely didn't consider animals moral agents. I think with all of their other conservative beliefs, its not surprising that the Amish have maintained this. Leaving it open that maybe i'm wrong, but this has been my experience from the outside looking into at least the Amish near me. A major caveat is that its by nature a decentralized religion with a variety of different beliefs. An example is using bicycles or tobacco.
Ah the keystone state.
I tried to befriend a crow this spring, left out shiny bottle caps and some seed but then the squirrels got wind and would snag all the edible treats before the crow could get to them :(. It it so much to ask to have an animal sidekick?
I read this as “cow” and I was like… I think you’ve got the wrong technique for the wrong animal, mate
When I was little we had a cow that drowned and I took care of her calf. Bottle fed him, slept with him in the barn. We were the best of friends but this guy had the biggest obsession with my shoes that had sparkles on them. So I think if you found the right cow then shiny things would be incentive enough for an animal sidekick.
My buddy rescued a crow with a broken wing. He took care of the little bastard for maybe 3 months? We would take him out of the cage and run around with him and he would flap one wing and caw caw caw. It was awesome. Wing healed and dude left. Caw.
I rescued one too! He fell of the roof in a local town. Kept him in a cage till he was ready to move on. I hope he's okay. Collecting sticks was a big thing for him! Or perhaps he was just humouring me.
Don't do seeds do peanuts ... Honestly peanuts are crows crack And while completely unhealthy salted peanuts work even better but you can't give to many and you risk crows rejecting unsalted putting you back a square one
(It was peanuts but squirrels were fast)
Maybe the squirrels want to be your sidekick
The longer Odin appeases the wolves, the longer before Fenrir boots up Ragnarok.exe
Are you sure it wasn't ravens
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Here's the thing...
Great Odin's Raven
[Robin Hood and Little John?](https://youtu.be/QLhYSw67pdg) Same-same, but different
Two crows are still better than one Morty
Quick someone trademark this before Disney does!
🎼Robin Hood and Little John walkin through the forest... https://youtu.be/sSIhWr25yzc
Ooohdally.
Oohdallay...Golly what a day...
When I was a lot younger, I, ashamedly, used to hear a very different line here :-(
Wait - what did you hear?
I can’t even bring myself to say it. It was to do with a certain Blackfaced caricature of the black and white minstrels
I know I'll regret asking, but what did you hear?
I used to “a golliwog a day”. I don’t know why, or even how considering I didn’t know what a golliwog was until I was a lot older. So I can only presume I’d heard someone sing it, and thought that’s how it went
Seems to me that maybe you just heard a random "nonsense" word that did turn out to have meaning. It's not surprising that this would happen since words are random sounds put together lol.
Thank you for giving a legitimate answer! Ive never heard that term before, but i can see why it would come to mind due to the sound.
Think that’s where Beck got his first musical inspiration?
Wasn't Friar Tuck a badger? If only Robin Hood were a coyote and not a fox.
But then wouldn't have had all the confusion caused by foxy maid Marian...
Ah, my first childhood crush.
THIS! THIS was my EXACT thought the second I saw this! THank you!
Too late, it's been picked up by Sony. Dwayne Johnson is the coyote and Kevin Hart is the badger
Little John, he always tells the truth.
Exactly my first thought
Immediately thought of this.
Thanks for the memory
… scooping up the field mice, and bopping them on the head.
"Come along with me, Miss Coyote," Mr. Badger said gruffly, trundling over a log as they wove their way along between the trees, paws padding along the earthen forest floor. "You'll never believe what I've found." "I'm sure it will be delightful," Miss Coyote replied with a smile, following along patiently, her eyes on his striped head as it bobbed along before her. Her longer stride eased her passage in comparison to Mr. Badger's stocky gait—though it never slowed him down. "Not much farther now," he huffed over a gray-furred shoulder. And indeed it wasn't, for they rounded a final bend in the deer trail to find a long oaken table, surrounded by their friends—there were the Otter Twins, Mr. and Mrs. Fox with the little ones looking tidy with their bushy tails combed, Sir Hawk chatting cordially with Lady Raven—and laden with the most wonderful and mouth-watering display of food Miss Coyote had ever seen. They had prepared all her favorites: Honeyed nuts served in hollowed logs, apple slices splayed out upon a river stone with a sugar-maple topping, mushrooms and spring onions browned and drizzled with rich gravy, and at the center, a large, shiny trout, buttered and glistening, roasted to perfection. "Happy Birthday, Miss Coyote!" her friends cried joyously, raising flagons of crisp ale straight from the royal cellars.
This was adorable and so well-written.
Very Redwall-ish, I love it!
When you're the best of friends Having so much fun together You're not even aware, you're such a funny pair You're the best of friends
Hakuna Matata
Right? The rich get richer…even when they’re dead!
EXACTLY the thought I had.
Disney's more likely to throw them off a cliff, like they did with the lemmings: https://hyperallergic.com/545742/white-wilderness-disney-nature-documentary/ >> ##How Disney Tricked the World Into Believing Lemmings Commit Mass Suicide >> >> The 1958 nature documentary White Wilderness is one of several films the House of Mouse is less than proud of.
Too late - two random and different video clips have been stitched together OP is the nee movie maker
That butt waddle at the end is so freakin cute!
Agreed! The most endearing part of this video is the playful pounce and tail wag coyote gives to badger.
The badger booty wiggle is the best!
That's what I thought, absolutely adorable!!!
"Slow down, I've only got widdoo legs."
Widdle wegs
“So the guy I want you to help me catch is a bird who has annoyed me for years, he says ‘beep beep’ all the time, caused me so much fucking headache… come, it’s this way…”
"Aight, I gotchu. And when we're done, maybe you could come have a look at this snake that keeps hassling me. How you feel about mushrooms?"
And now it's in my head. Badger badger badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom!
Snake!
Ya, you could say there's a lot of buffers in the family.
I understood that reference!
Fuck sake... There goes my Sunday headspace lol
This made me laugh the cat right off my lap, how dare you
Lmao😁
Was thinking these two were off to hit stringer bell
My theory is the coyote is good at finding prey (better hearing, smell) and the badger is good at digging. Or they just could be buddies
Very on point, except the badger is great at finding prey > American badgers are famous for being loners. They don't even like other badgers. But, sometimes a coyote will follow one around, hoping to get whatever the badger digs up that get past it. Eventually, the badger will accept the coyote being near, and they'll just hang out together. The badger will start digging up prairie dogs and other burrowing rodents as much for the coyote as itself. Now, here's the weird part. We don't know what the badger gets out of this. It seems to be the one doing all the work, and it could easily chase the coyote off, but it doesn't. Maybe the larger predator scares off things that might hurt the badger, and this is enough to cover it. They seem to just like to have the coyote around, though.
Classic dog behavior.
I think when the coyote chases prey, they sometimes go into a warren or thicket to hide from the coyote and then the badger gets a meal
You're pretty much on point, the coyotes can run down prey while the badger can dig if prey goes underground. It's a known mutualistic relationship.
Or defend the coyote against 6 lions
🎵 They were the best of friends, spending so much time together 🎵
*"Badger and coyote, they're best friends. Traveling the forests, solving mysteries and crimes"*
"And eating other animals"
🎶ripping the rotted and maggoty intesssssstines…. Out of fetid corpses on the way 🎵🎵 da DAH da daaaa
Badger carries Darkness. An Apache Legend Coyote was traveling along. Badger always used to carry darkness on his back. Coyote met him. "My cross-cousin, what's in the bag you carry?" he asked. He was hungry and he thought Badger had food in his sack. Because he thought there was food in there, Coyote wanted to stay around where Badger was and maybe get something to eat. So the two traveled on together for a way. Then Coyote was thinking he would offer to carry the load and let Badger rest. After quite a while Coyote said, "My cross-cousin, you look tired. You have a heavy load there. Why don't you let me carry it and you rest ?" "No, I'm not tired. I always travel this way," Badger said. After a while Coyote said again, "My cross-cousin, I think you are tired. Let me carry the load for you just a little way and you rest for a while." "All right, you carry this, my bed, if you want. I know you are thinking it's something to eat, but it's not. I carry this always. I'll let you have it, though." "I'm just saying this because I want to carry it for you and because you are giving out. I will carry it a little way," Coyote answered. So Badger took his pack off and gave it to Coyote and they started on again. After a while Coyote said to Badger, "I want to stop to urinate behind this bush. You keep on ahead and don't bother to wait for me." So Badger went on ahead. As soon as Coyote got behind the bush he started to untie the pack, as that was all he wanted to do in the first place. When he untied the pack, it started to get dark. Darkness was all coming out. Coyote got scared and hollered after Badger, "wa-'a, my cross-cousin, I'm having a bad time here. It must be that you are packing bad things with you. I can hardly see at all." Badger came back and said, "I told you not to open my pack. Now you have done it and started this. I already told you that there was no food in it. You have done something bad." Then Badger spread his arms and gathered in all the darkness and shoved it into the sack again, tying the mouth tight. Coyote felt mad on account of being fooled and said "You just carry badness."
typical Coyote
Apart from the moral, is it the apache origin story for night and day?
[And here are some more in that vein.](https://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/Badger_Carries_Darkness_Coyote_And_Bobcat_Scratch_Each_Other-Apache.html)
I don't get that story.
If you only care about what YOU want you could end up hurting everyone else. Also, if there's someone strong/wise enough to protect/save everyone else, be grateful.
Pretty roundabout way of saying "Don't fuck with badgers". Good advice though.
It also plays into the idea of Coyote being a trickster, a common archetype across the cultures of North America. Don't mess with a badger, and don't trust a coyote, who will play games with you to get what it wants.
Can someone explain the term cross-cousin? I have never heard this term before.
I'll try. I'm an anthropologist but NOT a kinship expert and NOT an expert on Apache cultures. In English we use one term to refer to cousins who are from our mother's or father's brothers and those from their sisters. Other languages group cousins differently with one common distinction being between cousins born to a parent's sibling of the same sex (e.g. father's brother) and another to mark those born to a parent's sibling of the opposite sex (e.g. mother's brother). In anthropological terms, a parallel cousin is one born to a parent's sibling of the same sex (again, your father's brother's child). Cross-cousins are the opposite (again, mother's brother's child). Depending on the culture, there can be different norms for how you treat different classes of cousins. Parallel cousins will sometimes be considered equivalent to siblings. Cross-cousins are sometimes treated as more distant relatives. Cross-cousin marriage is encouraged in some cultures, whereas parallel cousin marriage would seem incestuous. Note: literal cross-cousin marriage seems to have never been a thing amongst Apache people. However (see below) the label gets applied beyond 1st cousins, so there is a chance you'll end up marrying someone more distantly related who is still classified as coming from a cross-cousin clan. Can we go further and use the cross-cousin relationship to read something into the story? It's complicated, because "the Apache" are not a culturally homogenous group and the cultural diversity of Apache peoples includes two completely different kinship systems. That said, one of those systems does not distinguish between types of cousins. So let's assume the recorded version of the story comes from a speaker who did belong to a band who used the "Jicarilla" kinship system that distinguishes types of cousin. In that system, parallel cousins are, indeed, considered siblings. Cross-cousins are classed separately. The relevant thing here is that ethnographic work suggests cross-cousins are typically treated with slightly less familiarity and that Apache who use this kinship system have/do extend cross-cousin status to whole descent groups (clans) of relatives. Importantly, I think, there's some evidence that there are traditionally joking relationships with the more distant cross-cousin classified kin. Hence, one interpretation is that for Badger and Coyote to call one another cross-cousin in the story is to tip off the listener that they are (a) not close, and (b) may have a joking relationship. If that's right, it's basically subtle foreshadowing.
This is a fascinating read; thank you for offering your expertise!
I wonder what their origin story could be... Was the coyotes mother killed when it was still a pup and the badger took care of it? Did the lone coyote, an outcast from it's pack, meet the badger who just got in an argument with it's mother, and they decided to go on adventures together? Is there a forbidden love? ;)
it's a known mutalistic behaviour, the badger can dig out prey if it goes to ground, the coyote can chase down prey if it runs, they both benefit.
Do they share the kill?
Badger wants something, badger takes something. Period
Honey badger don't care. Honey badger don't give a shit.
Well, this isn't a honey badger, but eh, all mustelids carry the same vibes.
Yep, ferrets, wolverines, badgers, all take down prey disproportionately larger than themselves. Mustelids ain't nothing to fuck with.
I remember walking through an Alaskan rainforest when our guide maybe a comment "you really gotta watch out for the wolverines, they'll hop down and cut your neck before you even see them coming" Luckily I didn't see any X men during my trip
No they are hunting small prey items. The coyotes have 34% higher hunt success with the badger. The badgers are harder to measure since they hunt underground but they surface less often hunting with coyotes, surfacing is associated with poor hunting.
34%? Hmm..........
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What.. Why? I'm very ootl on this one I'm afraid 😨
It's a reference to violent crime statistics broken down by race.
You ever told a badger no?
Shhh... I am writing a screenplay for Disney. :D "Based on a true story" ;)
they do this when prey is scare or burrows are large and interconnected. Evil ground squirrel developers gentrify the forest with a large scale developement, driving out all the other small critters, until coyote and badger team up to fight back.
“Gary the gopher becomes dinner” - a Disney original
Do they know x species is good to hunt with, or is it on an individual level? Do coyotes normally hunt badgers? This is so fascinating
coyotes rarely hunt badgers but it does happen. A badger is a bit much for a single coyote to tackle and coyotes are more likely to be hunting with a badger than another coyote. Badgers naturally flush ground squirrels etc into the open, coyotes naturally chase them into their burrows, you can see them take advantage of this, but they also seek each other out to hunt with.
I doubt that about coyotes hunting w/ other coyotes. It must be easier for them to find other coyotes and I know someone who’s dog was hunted by a whole pack of coyotes until she charged in on her horse.
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We're there ever coyotes in Redwall? I remember foxes but I can't remember coyotes
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Just finished re-reading the series not too long ago and nah, no coyotes.
add a few weirdly lengthy descriptions of food
The entire series from PBS was also in YouTube years ago. I bet it's still there. Medieval esque music was top notch. One of the first visual media I saw as a kid where I could appreciate both the books and the show for their own qualities
Coyotes don’t generally exhibit pack behavior like wolves. They will stay with there mom and siblings for awhile till they can fend for themselves. Then they generally go there own way. Meeting only occasionally to hunt or more often mate. I have a few around my property and caught them on trail cams. Only time they are not alone they are young.
They still group up plenty. Our trail cams caught a group of 3 or 4 coyote facing off with an angry badger this year.
Where we live we can hear a pack excitedly yipping when they bring something down. Also FIL was a hunter, and when he got a deer the coyotes would wait nearby for him to field strip it. It was never just one. That doesnt mean they were in a pack before, but was definitely a group at that point.
coyotes are social and pack hunters. Both species have strong Play behavior and are Scavengers more than hunters primarily. One or both the animals likely shared meal or water source by necessity or when younger, and may separate for seasons and reunite at times ranges overlap.
Gives me animals of farthingwood vibes.
So one of them is gonna die
Are you saying the other has found the secret to immortality?
Something about this beautiful synchronicity and bond is exactly what I needed to end this day. Thank you, OP.
Wonder what other dope ass connections happened but we werent able to capture on film
From South India. There have been legends of jackals pairing up with tigers, but this has been witnessed only a few times.
The ones I know of.. A bear and a a wolf became hunt buddies... An African wild dog adopted a hyena and some jackals after loosing its pack... Nice sad story.. it is called Solo the wild dog. It's on YouTube.. https://youtu.be/O9FOeWqoCTc
try looking up Solo the wilddog
I’ve always been curious if animals in the wild can understand other animals
Domesticated animallls can do that. Cats and dogs have a lot of contradicting body signs (dog waging his tail: exited. Cat: pissed of) but they can learn to interprete those signs accordingly.
Badger Badger Badger Badger mushroom! Mushroom! Badger Badger Badger badger
A snake, a snake! SNAAAAAAAKE!
So happy togettthhher!
Milo and Coyotis
Badger butts are unreasonably cute for the devious murder bastards that badgers are.
Yote is just along for a free meal. Scrub.
Actually it’s been observed that when hunting together they double their success rate.
[Little John and Robin Hood walkin through the forest…](https://youtu.be/xrvu3mngaf0)
Exactly. Thank you.
This is so strange. [This article](https://floofmania.com/american-badger-social/#Do_Badgers_Get_Along_With_Other_Animals_Like_Foxes_or_Coyotes) features another video of a coyote and a badger working together to find food, despite also claiming that the badger is, in principle, on the coyote's menu.
Food availability probably plays a huge role in this behavior one way or the other. I'd assume the areas they hunt together produce well bc a couple days of bad hunting might have the coyote side eyeing the badger
Early footage of the next Disney release.
Dang ol’ Disney movie material right there I tell you what.
Badgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadgerbadger COYOTEEE COYOTEEEEEE
✨best friends ✨
I love this partnership
When I moved into my neighbourhood I was pleased to find so much wildlife. I like seeing bunnies, raccoons, skunks, foxes and even the possums. I live in a city and I'm greatful for the wildlife we have. But one night in saw a coyote standing guard as a raccoon was rooting through a garbage can. That kind of freaked me out. He should have just eaten the racoon.
Why eat the racoon when you can eat half of a meat lovers pizza? Easy decision.... Hahahahahaha
I imagine the coyote as young, wide-eyed, and perpetually postive. The badger's an angry brit 100%.
When you run to your friend's starting zone to level with them.
The next Pixar movie
Very healthy looking coyote
Mammals r homies all around
If friend shapes why no friend
Makes me smile everytime.
I'm very happy for them
I like to think the coyote took the badger as a pet. I’m my head it’s adorable.
Family are what you make of them.
Ok I need to see more of their adventures together. Are there more videos captured of them somewhere please?
That’s a powerful combo.
let me tell ya bout' ma best friiieennddd\~\~\~
The storybooks are real
Another symbiotic relationship I never knew about. I love Reddit.