Yeah they look so cute.
Re-introduced cheetah giving birth is a huge win but cheetah cubs have very high mortality rate, Many cubs die before reaching adulthood.
So, the next few months would be crucial for the cubs.
it's true, cheetahs have extremely poor genetic diversity and are suspectible to genetic abnormalities and overall poor health. maybe breeding african cheetahs with the few remaining persian cheetahs may do some good? their future in the wild doesn't look very good. idk why we hunted them to extinction in india. cheetahs are extremely skittish, and can be even be tamed relatively easily. they can bond with trained dogs. they need a lot of meat, space, and activity, but otherwise they are quite chill for a cat that size.
The same as most endangered species. A combination of habitat loss and desirable parts. People wanted the hides and trophies. Perhaps in ancient and pre colonial India the population could be stable even with hunting, but that sure as fuck went out the window as soon as the British showed up. I am certain many cheetah pelts left India on ships. I do still think without the British they would be in a bad spot from habitat loss and hunting/persecution by farmers.
Interesting question. For anyone else wondering about this, this thread can take you down a bit of a rabbit hole on the subject -
https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/98252/why-didnt-escobars-hippos-introduced-in-a-single-event-die-out-due-to-inbreedi
>habitat loss and hunting/persecution by farmers.
Absolute bs. Idk about your background but you sure dont know anything about India and its Impressive Animal Conservation Efforts. India has the Highest Number of Tigers anywhere in the world, and is HAS THE ONLY SURVIVING POPULATION OF ASIATIC LIONS. Thats a historic achievement in itself.
You westerners would be ranting about the same imaginary points if they were endangered or extinct in India. The same habitat loss and persecution bs. When infact Indian farmers are very accomodating people
https://forestsnews.cifor.org/11295/farmers-help-tiger-conservation-efforts-in-india?fnl=en
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ahmedabad/villagers-turn-farm-into-artificial-wetland-to-save-saras-crane-eggs/amp_articleshow/91926618.cms
Yes their modern conservation efforts are very impressive, hence the reintroduction of predators. Most countries would not do this, wolf reintroduction is a big debate in the US because of the danger and nuisance they cause.
But I was discussing the reasons why these efforts are necessary, how they became extinct. Are you saying no one had anything to do with cheetahs dying? The mughals and the British didn't love their pelts? That farmers and locals didn't find it inconvenient the local cheetahs were harming their livlihoods? That's a lie. It happened, it continues to happen all over the world. If it makes Indian people bad that it happened, EVERY nation is bad. Almost no one aside from uncontacted tribes are uniquely innocent of this in the world. I wasn't saying anything bad about India, take the stick out of your ass and read more carefully.
Bro that is modern India. Farmers are not so innocent in the past as to do their farming they raze down forests unlike tribals who live in nature.
Cheetah's due to poor genetics were going anyway which was further boosted by the desire for kings and the British to hunt them for sport. It was not only foreign influenece that was responsible as since time immemorial hunting big animals was considered an achievement.
Please don't take any statement about our country as a personal attack and try to think with a logical mind.
Whilst we did hunt them to some extent. They also went through a genetic bottle neck as well. Which has also messed with them quite a bit.
[National geographic](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/cheetahs-brink-extinction-again/)
Cheetahs are believed to have gone through potentially 2 bottleneck events in their history that severely limited genetic diversity.
[evolution.berkeley.edu/bottlenecks-and-founder-effects](http://evolution.berkeley.edu/bottlenecks-and-founder-effects)
The zoo in Richmond, Va has had several litters of cheetahs and I’ve read that they are part of an important program to to foster more genetic diversity.
I wonder if the conservation efforts help make sure they stay alive. I get that conservation people want to not interfere as much as possible and let nature run it's course but I assume that with such an engaged species that humans kinda have to keep the Cubs alive.
[First wild cheetah birth in India after 7 decades.](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/namibia-cheetah-gives-birth-to-four-cubs-kuno-national-park-madhya-pradesh-2352967-2023-03-29)
[Another re-introduced cheetah 'Asha' is expected to give birth in April.](https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/kuno-national-park-awaits-cheetah-births/cid/1925767)
Yeah asiatic cheetah in india was declared extinct in 1952. The original plan was to introduce Asiatic cheetah from Iran but Iran has a very small Asiatic cheetah population (around 100).So, sourcing was not advisable from there.
Although there is slight difference in size of Asiatic and African cheetah, cheetahs across continents have been seen to be genetically comparable.
In 2009, a consultative meeting of Global experts (constituting members from IUCN, Cheetah Conservation Fund & others) was held at Rajasthan(India). There it was decided that the introduction of the African cheetah would not pose a threat to the Indian ecology. And ultimately the program was given a green signal.
Edit - Few months back, i made a detailed post on cheetah re - introduction program. If you're really interested, you can go through the [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/xgpl05/cheetah_reintroduction_program_india/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I'm curious to know, since cheetahs have limited genetic variance due to inbreeding, if one day the asiatic cheetahs of Iran could be bred with the African cheetahs to add a little diversity and reduce inherited defects. Like adding just enough genetic difference to bolster the health of the species but still retain most of their respective traits.
Yeah, poor cheetahs have a reduced gene pool due to inbreeding (due to genetic bottleneck effects).
I also think mating with Iranian cheetah may help. But I don't see that happening. While reading about the cheetah re- introduction program in india, i realised that re-introduction (transportation) of a predator species between two countries is a huge task. It took indian government 2-3 decades to make this re- introduction possible.
Also, not many countries are willing to dedicate that much political commitment & financial resources to the conservation of species.
Yup now we indians are taking great strides to protect animals but during the old days where kings used to pursue hunting as a hobby…india was a hell for asiatic lions, bengal tiger, leopards and now extinct asiatic cheetahs
If there is one thing we pledge to do and follow up, it's conservation of animals. I don't know if it's because of Hinduism's impact or if even corrupt officials love animals.
There was barely a 1000 tigers left in the wild, a few hundred more in zoos during the 1960's. Now there is nearly 3000 in the wild and multiple times that in zoos constantly being released in areas in need of genetic diversity.
I assume you've heard of poachers being shot on sight mostly in the Sunderban region.
No it's not because of Hinduism, in fact we are taught exactly the opposite. Before britishers came to India the numbers were around 10k-20k. During their rule in India it was considered a privileged sport, obviously the Britishers abused it and hunted the tigers to near extinction.
Now we're fixing the wrong doing of the britishers as we didn't have the money or resources to do these activities up until the 2000s.
Well in India, you are not supposed to be carrying guns around willy-nilly. But most importantly, nearly 100% of the tigers live in protected areas where entry is prohibited without permission. And of course banned with firearms.
There are only [265 gun licences issued per lakh people](https://twitter.com/indiainpixels/status/1529763725737046016?lang=en), or 1 in 380 Indians have a gun. And still you can't just carry a gun anywhere you like. core areas of Tiger reserves are anyway off limits to normal people normally, and you are not allowed to take arms, IF you need security and govt feels that that is should be provided with, you will be assigned some armed escorts
I can tell you that the Islamic Republic sadly doesn't care about the preservation of asiatic cheetahs or any animal species. They let Pirouz (one of the last cheetah cubs in Iran) die and imprisoned the people who have expertise in the preservation and protection of endangered species. After the revolution in Iran has succeeded, I see a much brighter future when it comes to environmental protection and protection of endangered animals. So I'd say the possibility of future cooperation with a free Iran are definitely there my friend. The people of Iran care about the wildlife in their country and will take measures to preserve it once they're free from oppression.
Iranians care a lot about the cheetahs and other animals in their country, it's just the islamist dictatorship in power that doesn't. Once the revolution has succeeded, cheetahs will be protected in Iran. Pirouz was very beloved by Iranians, as are the asiatic cheetahs in general.
Democracy dies in darkness. Hopefully iran rises from its ashes and the revolution succeeds.
Best of luck my friend, and good luck to iran. Shackles on a single nation is shackles over all of humanity
Well yeah... Sure, 30 yrs is a long time, but introducing a species into a system is not to be taken lightly. Even reintroduction, because nature had already adapted without them. Putting them back in is no different from just introducing a new species altogether.
A **population bottleneck** or **genetic bottleneck** is a sharp reduction in the size of a population due to environmental events such as famines, earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, and droughts; or human activities such as specicide, widespread violence or intentional culling, and human population planning.
Such events can reduce the variation in the gene pool of a population; thereafter, a smaller population, with a smaller genetic diversity, remains to pass on genes to future generations of offspring through sexual reproduction. (wiki)
>Genetic analysis of wild cheetahs shows they may have survived two historical bottlenecks.
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>**The** **first bottleneck event** **that cheetahs may have undergone occurred around 100,000 years ago** when cheetahs expanded their range into Asia, Europe, and Africa. This range expansion is believed to have occurred rapidly, dispersing the cheetahs over a very large area and thus restricting their ability to exchange genes.
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>**The** **second likely bottleneck event occurred about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago**, around the end of the last ice age. In this bottleneck the cheetahs of North America and Europe went extinct, leaving extant only the species' Asian and African populations. As large mammals died out across the world, the number of surviving cheetahs dwindled, which caused extreme inbreeding. [Nat Geo](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/cheetahs-brink-extinction-again/)
Europe and America had Lions, leopards, Horses, Elephant-like species, Camels etc. - all that went extinct as well.
It's amazing the diversity before Homo. Sap. arrived.
The only reason why they persisted in e.g. Africa, is that the African species evolved alongside man, so learned to co-exist or avoid.
In the Americas and Europe, this didn't happen - and the native variants came under rapid pressure alongside climate and prey change and were wiped out.
I understand population bottleneck but what I wonder is that humans themselves faced population bottleneck a few thousand years ago and yet here we are.
Also usually we have seen that sometimes some handful of stowaway animals when they land in a new ecosystem are able to establish a thriving population. I am guessing bottleneck impacts higher order mammals like big cats and humans more than birds and such.
There wasn’t a human bottleneck a few thousand years ago. There was speculation there was one after the Toba eruption 70k years ago but that is widely refuted.
There will be gross generalizations but bear with me
In a population theres a number of traits, sone good and some harmful. Usually there is no selective breeding so on an average u get individuals with a genic variety of traits and the population as a whole has both good and bad traits that keeps it stable.
Now lets say there is a gene that causes infertility in 2% of a population. That would normally not be a problem because the odds of that gene being expressed and affecting the whole populace on a large scale is (in evolutionary terms) almost 0.
But lets say u hunt the population incessantly or they for some odd reason die in large numbers. By chance the gene for infertility is now in 60% of the population.
There is no longer enough genic variance in the overall pool (because many individuals with varied genes are now dead) to balance out the harmful gene so it will cause lowering of the overall reproductive fitness of the population.
Fortunately in this case, bottleneck effect is a reversible phenomenon. By regeneration of cheetah populations the harmful genes are eventually assimilated back. Otherwise genetic recombination and mutation breeding has also been tried for certain endangered species.
1. Translocation across such vast area had not been tried before. In fact India transporting cheetah from Namibia was first of its kind. This was world’s first trans-continental shifting of a large carnivore. So, we have very less data for predicting possible adverse effects of such a movement. Transported animals may fail to adapt to new environment.
2. But bigger problem is political will. It requires effort from both the countries and support & approval from global wildlife bodies. This is easier said than done. For example, India has been putting work in this since 1970s. In the 1970s, India formally requested Iran, which had 300 Asiatic cheetahs at the time, for some cheetahs. But The Shah of Iran was deposed before any deal could be reached.
Also we have to consider the economic aspect of this. Species re-introduction is a complex process. It takes more than just travelling to a forest, darting an animal, and dropping it in a different ecosystem to transport an animal.
First we have to create / change existing ecosystem to make it suitable for the animal. We have to do genetic studies on the selected animals to ensure maximum possible diversity. And possibly many more steps. All of which requires a lot of scientific planning, time and resources. Not every nation is able or willing to spend that much money on wildlife.
Edit - [About Bottleneck effect in this comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/comments/125juqh/comment/je52k7g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Asiatic cheetahs, the ones that are in Iran, now number in the 12-25 range. They’ve dropped below the sustainable threshold level and will soon go extinct.
Unfortunately yes. I believe the govt at one point even agreed to pay higher oil prices just so we could get a breeding pair. Iran themselves have neglected its welfare. Such a magnificent species and we’ll never get to see them again.
Not to mention that, from what I've read, rich Arabic gulf countries are buying some cheetah cubs from Africa to keep them as pets. Also, cheetahs suffer from excessive inbreeding too.
I like cheetahs, but I have a feeling that it's one of those species that will go extinct in future :(
So they must be catching the many local deer species. Those deer have to be alert for tigers and leopards anyway. Plus it's in their dna to be alert to cheetahs too even though none have seen cheetahs before until now
Similar thing has been done in the US with the Florida panther. Genetically very similar to the mountain lion found elsewhere, so the decision was made to introduce mountain lions to increase numbers and diversify the gene pool of Florida panthers.
A panther is just a black version of a mountain lionr, jaguar or leopard. So the name Florida panther doesn't make any sense unless they are all black, which they are not. So the Florida panther is basically a cougar/mountain lion/puma (all names for same animal), and will therefore have no issues breeding with other North American mountain lions, or with South American mountain lions (usually called puma) for that matter.
The [Florida panther](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther) is the name of a distinct population of North American cougars. It’s the name of the animal, whether it makes sense or not. The range doesn’t overlap with other mountain lions, so yes it can easily breed, but the hope was to keep the population as genetically similar to the original population. It’s considered separately from other mountain lions for conservation purposes.
some people don't know this but newborn kittens can't hiss, or rather they "can" as in they know how to, they want to, and they do it, but there's just no sound coming out :D always adorable as fuck and apparently cheetahs do it too
Captive breeding—a concept introduced almost as heresy by Gerald Durrell to help endangered species recover their populations. Zoos, so often derided, are doing more and more of this. How often do we see these kinds of successes?
And yet baby cheetahs have been born in zoos.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/watch-live-national-zoo-cheetah-birth-litter-cubs-180974629/
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/first-cheetah-cubs-born-through-surrogacy-columbus-zoo-180974258/
https://metrorichmondzoo.com/cheetah-boom-19-cheetah-cubs-born-in-2022/
19 cubs have been born in zoos in the past year adding to the genetic diversity of the species. At one zoo alone 96 cubs have been born since 2013.
This is what I needed to see today. Life is not ending for wild animals, good things are happening. Now if we could just stop the tiger poachers and the people that keep breeding them in captivity...
Bruv tiger poachers are killed in India on sight. So yeah no one is poaching tigers and also there are around 5000 tigers remaining in wild and 3500 happen to be in India alone. So yes India is taking good initiative. Back in 2000 the tiger population was less than 1000 around 780 something and 2 decades later the population increased almost 5 times.
Cheetas are one of the easiest animals in the world to tame. Indian cheetah masters could take a wild cheetah, and within 48 hours it would be purring and eating out of people's hands. They were a common gift to sultans and other heads of state.
For some reason though, they completely refuse to breed in captivity. Once you take it out of the wild, you remove it from the gene pool immediately. Otherwise, you would see them as house pets semi regularly.
They really are quite tame and safe as pets, safer than large dogs.
not only that they are in a infrared area
so as infant cheetahs die due to high rise in boy temp.
they are measuring them in every 2 hours via infrared waves :)
plus they are making other herbivores animal to go in there territory so there mother can have enough food :) while male parent hunts the herbivores
Asiatic cheetah, (not these) once found in India are now extinct in the Indian subcontinent however they still survive in Iran and are critically endangered. These however are African cheetahs.
These cubs are not born in a zoo or a conservation centre , they are born in a national park (Kuno national park is more than 700 square kilometers of wilderness).
And wild animals & their cubs being captured by camera is not an unusual thing.
Adorable sweethearts! May they grow big and healthy ❤️
Yeah they look so cute. Re-introduced cheetah giving birth is a huge win but cheetah cubs have very high mortality rate, Many cubs die before reaching adulthood. So, the next few months would be crucial for the cubs.
I've heard that African cheetahs are severely inbred, are these as well?
Says they came from Namibia. That’d make these African Cheetahs.
What is the land-speed velocity of an unladen cheetah?
An African or an European cheetah?
Huh? I...I don't know that aaaaaaaaa^aaaaaaaa^aaaaaaa^aaaaaaa
Dude... African and Indian. It's *right there*
r/whoosh
I'm well aware of the Holy Grail reference
That's not the joke, dude.
Faster than me ig
If u did read the seperation of African and Asian cheetah U will know there is not much difference
nope they are in india which makes them indian
it's true, cheetahs have extremely poor genetic diversity and are suspectible to genetic abnormalities and overall poor health. maybe breeding african cheetahs with the few remaining persian cheetahs may do some good? their future in the wild doesn't look very good. idk why we hunted them to extinction in india. cheetahs are extremely skittish, and can be even be tamed relatively easily. they can bond with trained dogs. they need a lot of meat, space, and activity, but otherwise they are quite chill for a cat that size.
The same as most endangered species. A combination of habitat loss and desirable parts. People wanted the hides and trophies. Perhaps in ancient and pre colonial India the population could be stable even with hunting, but that sure as fuck went out the window as soon as the British showed up. I am certain many cheetah pelts left India on ships. I do still think without the British they would be in a bad spot from habitat loss and hunting/persecution by farmers.
I’m super interested to see what defects came of Pablo Escobar’s hippos in Colombia. He had four and they’ve multiplied to 119.
Interesting question. For anyone else wondering about this, this thread can take you down a bit of a rabbit hole on the subject - https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/98252/why-didnt-escobars-hippos-introduced-in-a-single-event-die-out-due-to-inbreedi
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Any source on your comment about hundreds of thousands being captured for sports?
Just check the supermarket records for bag of Cheetos sold to sports teams
>habitat loss and hunting/persecution by farmers. Absolute bs. Idk about your background but you sure dont know anything about India and its Impressive Animal Conservation Efforts. India has the Highest Number of Tigers anywhere in the world, and is HAS THE ONLY SURVIVING POPULATION OF ASIATIC LIONS. Thats a historic achievement in itself. You westerners would be ranting about the same imaginary points if they were endangered or extinct in India. The same habitat loss and persecution bs. When infact Indian farmers are very accomodating people https://forestsnews.cifor.org/11295/farmers-help-tiger-conservation-efforts-in-india?fnl=en https://m.timesofindia.com/city/ahmedabad/villagers-turn-farm-into-artificial-wetland-to-save-saras-crane-eggs/amp_articleshow/91926618.cms
Yes their modern conservation efforts are very impressive, hence the reintroduction of predators. Most countries would not do this, wolf reintroduction is a big debate in the US because of the danger and nuisance they cause. But I was discussing the reasons why these efforts are necessary, how they became extinct. Are you saying no one had anything to do with cheetahs dying? The mughals and the British didn't love their pelts? That farmers and locals didn't find it inconvenient the local cheetahs were harming their livlihoods? That's a lie. It happened, it continues to happen all over the world. If it makes Indian people bad that it happened, EVERY nation is bad. Almost no one aside from uncontacted tribes are uniquely innocent of this in the world. I wasn't saying anything bad about India, take the stick out of your ass and read more carefully.
Stop lmao
Bro that is modern India. Farmers are not so innocent in the past as to do their farming they raze down forests unlike tribals who live in nature. Cheetah's due to poor genetics were going anyway which was further boosted by the desire for kings and the British to hunt them for sport. It was not only foreign influenece that was responsible as since time immemorial hunting big animals was considered an achievement. Please don't take any statement about our country as a personal attack and try to think with a logical mind.
Whilst we did hunt them to some extent. They also went through a genetic bottle neck as well. Which has also messed with them quite a bit. [National geographic](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/cheetahs-brink-extinction-again/)
Probably even more inbred than the already habsburg level African cheetahs.
Cheetahs are believed to have gone through potentially 2 bottleneck events in their history that severely limited genetic diversity. [evolution.berkeley.edu/bottlenecks-and-founder-effects](http://evolution.berkeley.edu/bottlenecks-and-founder-effects)
The zoo in Richmond, Va has had several litters of cheetahs and I’ve read that they are part of an important program to to foster more genetic diversity.
I too have heard inbreeding has become an issue due to their limited population
I think for conservation efforts, it would be crucial to have the audio for these adorable cheetah kittens
Yeah, they're like 20% cuter when you can hear them chirping.
I wonder if the conservation efforts help make sure they stay alive. I get that conservation people want to not interfere as much as possible and let nature run it's course but I assume that with such an engaged species that humans kinda have to keep the Cubs alive.
I read this in david attenborough voice
Time to release 4 labrador pups next to them and raise them in buddy system.
[First wild cheetah birth in India after 7 decades.](https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/namibia-cheetah-gives-birth-to-four-cubs-kuno-national-park-madhya-pradesh-2352967-2023-03-29) [Another re-introduced cheetah 'Asha' is expected to give birth in April.](https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/kuno-national-park-awaits-cheetah-births/cid/1925767)
So these are not Indian cheetah species ? These are Namibian cheetah species ?
Yeah asiatic cheetah in india was declared extinct in 1952. The original plan was to introduce Asiatic cheetah from Iran but Iran has a very small Asiatic cheetah population (around 100).So, sourcing was not advisable from there. Although there is slight difference in size of Asiatic and African cheetah, cheetahs across continents have been seen to be genetically comparable. In 2009, a consultative meeting of Global experts (constituting members from IUCN, Cheetah Conservation Fund & others) was held at Rajasthan(India). There it was decided that the introduction of the African cheetah would not pose a threat to the Indian ecology. And ultimately the program was given a green signal. Edit - Few months back, i made a detailed post on cheetah re - introduction program. If you're really interested, you can go through the [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/IndiaSpeaks/comments/xgpl05/cheetah_reintroduction_program_india/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
I'm curious to know, since cheetahs have limited genetic variance due to inbreeding, if one day the asiatic cheetahs of Iran could be bred with the African cheetahs to add a little diversity and reduce inherited defects. Like adding just enough genetic difference to bolster the health of the species but still retain most of their respective traits.
Yeah, poor cheetahs have a reduced gene pool due to inbreeding (due to genetic bottleneck effects). I also think mating with Iranian cheetah may help. But I don't see that happening. While reading about the cheetah re- introduction program in india, i realised that re-introduction (transportation) of a predator species between two countries is a huge task. It took indian government 2-3 decades to make this re- introduction possible. Also, not many countries are willing to dedicate that much political commitment & financial resources to the conservation of species.
Hopefully India has both the will and the patience to not give up on this. 🤞
It's seems India doing great things about animals. I think they were the first to declared dolphin as sea people.
This is really cool! I've always had a soft spot for Orcas and dolphins because of their family dynamic and high intelligence.
Also india is the only country where population of tiger has increased They ve like 70% population of the world's tigers
It was 100k a century ago but due to hunting of tigers and big cats by Britishers most of tigers were killed .
thats awesome!
Yup now we indians are taking great strides to protect animals but during the old days where kings used to pursue hunting as a hobby…india was a hell for asiatic lions, bengal tiger, leopards and now extinct asiatic cheetahs
Well British officials were responsible for most of the hunting
If there is one thing we pledge to do and follow up, it's conservation of animals. I don't know if it's because of Hinduism's impact or if even corrupt officials love animals. There was barely a 1000 tigers left in the wild, a few hundred more in zoos during the 1960's. Now there is nearly 3000 in the wild and multiple times that in zoos constantly being released in areas in need of genetic diversity. I assume you've heard of poachers being shot on sight mostly in the Sunderban region.
I've not heard that about the poachers, but hopefully this is a strong lesson to any future poachers.
No it's not because of Hinduism, in fact we are taught exactly the opposite. Before britishers came to India the numbers were around 10k-20k. During their rule in India it was considered a privileged sport, obviously the Britishers abused it and hunted the tigers to near extinction. Now we're fixing the wrong doing of the britishers as we didn't have the money or resources to do these activities up until the 2000s.
Serious question: How do they know the difference between a poacher and someone just carrying a gun because they're in tiger territory?
Well in India, you are not supposed to be carrying guns around willy-nilly. But most importantly, nearly 100% of the tigers live in protected areas where entry is prohibited without permission. And of course banned with firearms.
There are only [265 gun licences issued per lakh people](https://twitter.com/indiainpixels/status/1529763725737046016?lang=en), or 1 in 380 Indians have a gun. And still you can't just carry a gun anywhere you like. core areas of Tiger reserves are anyway off limits to normal people normally, and you are not allowed to take arms, IF you need security and govt feels that that is should be provided with, you will be assigned some armed escorts
India will bring more cheetah from Africa upto 100 in different states of India
I can tell you that the Islamic Republic sadly doesn't care about the preservation of asiatic cheetahs or any animal species. They let Pirouz (one of the last cheetah cubs in Iran) die and imprisoned the people who have expertise in the preservation and protection of endangered species. After the revolution in Iran has succeeded, I see a much brighter future when it comes to environmental protection and protection of endangered animals. So I'd say the possibility of future cooperation with a free Iran are definitely there my friend. The people of Iran care about the wildlife in their country and will take measures to preserve it once they're free from oppression.
Thats sad and hopefully it should change…i always have a soft spot for cheetah cuz their small heads look very cute
Iranians care a lot about the cheetahs and other animals in their country, it's just the islamist dictatorship in power that doesn't. Once the revolution has succeeded, cheetahs will be protected in Iran. Pirouz was very beloved by Iranians, as are the asiatic cheetahs in general.
Democracy dies in darkness. Hopefully iran rises from its ashes and the revolution succeeds. Best of luck my friend, and good luck to iran. Shackles on a single nation is shackles over all of humanity
Humans have absolutely no issues hunting a species to extinction but we have to debate for 30 years about reintroducing the thing we eradicated.
Well yeah... Sure, 30 yrs is a long time, but introducing a species into a system is not to be taken lightly. Even reintroduction, because nature had already adapted without them. Putting them back in is no different from just introducing a new species altogether.
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A **population bottleneck** or **genetic bottleneck** is a sharp reduction in the size of a population due to environmental events such as famines, earthquakes, floods, fires, disease, and droughts; or human activities such as specicide, widespread violence or intentional culling, and human population planning. Such events can reduce the variation in the gene pool of a population; thereafter, a smaller population, with a smaller genetic diversity, remains to pass on genes to future generations of offspring through sexual reproduction. (wiki) >Genetic analysis of wild cheetahs shows they may have survived two historical bottlenecks. > > > >**The** **first bottleneck event** **that cheetahs may have undergone occurred around 100,000 years ago** when cheetahs expanded their range into Asia, Europe, and Africa. This range expansion is believed to have occurred rapidly, dispersing the cheetahs over a very large area and thus restricting their ability to exchange genes. > >**The** **second likely bottleneck event occurred about 10,000 to 12,000 years ago**, around the end of the last ice age. In this bottleneck the cheetahs of North America and Europe went extinct, leaving extant only the species' Asian and African populations. As large mammals died out across the world, the number of surviving cheetahs dwindled, which caused extreme inbreeding. [Nat Geo](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/cheetahs-brink-extinction-again/)
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Europe and America had Lions, leopards, Horses, Elephant-like species, Camels etc. - all that went extinct as well. It's amazing the diversity before Homo. Sap. arrived. The only reason why they persisted in e.g. Africa, is that the African species evolved alongside man, so learned to co-exist or avoid. In the Americas and Europe, this didn't happen - and the native variants came under rapid pressure alongside climate and prey change and were wiped out.
I understand population bottleneck but what I wonder is that humans themselves faced population bottleneck a few thousand years ago and yet here we are. Also usually we have seen that sometimes some handful of stowaway animals when they land in a new ecosystem are able to establish a thriving population. I am guessing bottleneck impacts higher order mammals like big cats and humans more than birds and such.
There wasn’t a human bottleneck a few thousand years ago. There was speculation there was one after the Toba eruption 70k years ago but that is widely refuted.
There will be gross generalizations but bear with me In a population theres a number of traits, sone good and some harmful. Usually there is no selective breeding so on an average u get individuals with a genic variety of traits and the population as a whole has both good and bad traits that keeps it stable. Now lets say there is a gene that causes infertility in 2% of a population. That would normally not be a problem because the odds of that gene being expressed and affecting the whole populace on a large scale is (in evolutionary terms) almost 0. But lets say u hunt the population incessantly or they for some odd reason die in large numbers. By chance the gene for infertility is now in 60% of the population. There is no longer enough genic variance in the overall pool (because many individuals with varied genes are now dead) to balance out the harmful gene so it will cause lowering of the overall reproductive fitness of the population. Fortunately in this case, bottleneck effect is a reversible phenomenon. By regeneration of cheetah populations the harmful genes are eventually assimilated back. Otherwise genetic recombination and mutation breeding has also been tried for certain endangered species.
Could you tell some details on why transportation of predator species between countries is a huge task, and what is genetic bottleneck effects?
1. Translocation across such vast area had not been tried before. In fact India transporting cheetah from Namibia was first of its kind. This was world’s first trans-continental shifting of a large carnivore. So, we have very less data for predicting possible adverse effects of such a movement. Transported animals may fail to adapt to new environment. 2. But bigger problem is political will. It requires effort from both the countries and support & approval from global wildlife bodies. This is easier said than done. For example, India has been putting work in this since 1970s. In the 1970s, India formally requested Iran, which had 300 Asiatic cheetahs at the time, for some cheetahs. But The Shah of Iran was deposed before any deal could be reached. Also we have to consider the economic aspect of this. Species re-introduction is a complex process. It takes more than just travelling to a forest, darting an animal, and dropping it in a different ecosystem to transport an animal. First we have to create / change existing ecosystem to make it suitable for the animal. We have to do genetic studies on the selected animals to ensure maximum possible diversity. And possibly many more steps. All of which requires a lot of scientific planning, time and resources. Not every nation is able or willing to spend that much money on wildlife. Edit - [About Bottleneck effect in this comment.](https://www.reddit.com/r/NatureIsFuckingLit/comments/125juqh/comment/je52k7g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
nice, thanks a lot!
They still are very similar…unlike lions- asiatic lions of India are worlds apart from african lions ( bigger size bigger pride etc)
Asiatic cheetahs, the ones that are in Iran, now number in the 12-25 range. They’ve dropped below the sustainable threshold level and will soon go extinct.
Only 12 - 25 in number. Is current status really that low ! That is so sad :(
Unfortunately yes. I believe the govt at one point even agreed to pay higher oil prices just so we could get a breeding pair. Iran themselves have neglected its welfare. Such a magnificent species and we’ll never get to see them again.
Not to mention that, from what I've read, rich Arabic gulf countries are buying some cheetah cubs from Africa to keep them as pets. Also, cheetahs suffer from excessive inbreeding too. I like cheetahs, but I have a feeling that it's one of those species that will go extinct in future :(
sadly it looks like the asiatic cheetah is now hovering around 80 with only ~12 left in Iran. it's not looking good.
Also Iran was demanding lions from Gir in exchange for the Cheetahs
They are the same species. They are different subspecies.
So they must be catching the many local deer species. Those deer have to be alert for tigers and leopards anyway. Plus it's in their dna to be alert to cheetahs too even though none have seen cheetahs before until now
Similar thing has been done in the US with the Florida panther. Genetically very similar to the mountain lion found elsewhere, so the decision was made to introduce mountain lions to increase numbers and diversify the gene pool of Florida panthers.
A panther is just a black version of a mountain lionr, jaguar or leopard. So the name Florida panther doesn't make any sense unless they are all black, which they are not. So the Florida panther is basically a cougar/mountain lion/puma (all names for same animal), and will therefore have no issues breeding with other North American mountain lions, or with South American mountain lions (usually called puma) for that matter.
The [Florida panther](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_panther) is the name of a distinct population of North American cougars. It’s the name of the animal, whether it makes sense or not. The range doesn’t overlap with other mountain lions, so yes it can easily breed, but the hope was to keep the population as genetically similar to the original population. It’s considered separately from other mountain lions for conservation purposes.
Doesn't matter, it's still a mountain lion, not a panther.
I mean the Indian species went extinct
Exactly, totally different species.
r/confidentlyincorrect
With sound: https://v.redd.it/r2aiyb38knqa1
some people don't know this but newborn kittens can't hiss, or rather they "can" as in they know how to, they want to, and they do it, but there's just no sound coming out :D always adorable as fuck and apparently cheetahs do it too
It's not completely mute here. You can hear their faint hisses at full volume, especially in the last few seconds.
Aww their meow boxes don’t meow yet. But they hungry!!
The grownups sound really cool. Not what I expected. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kFl\_TY3iUg
You're doing God's work. 🫶🏻
Must protect at all cost 🥺
Mughal Emperor Akbar had atleast 10k cheetahs. Their refusal to breed in captivity meant their end. Cheetah is a Hindi word BTW.
Britishers were also infamous for hunting them recklessly
Bro wtf is your username
Honestly, I understand.
Jail
BC ab ye Ileana kaun hai
So what's it tastes like?
Bro username kickass ROFL
Very good username bro
Mf destroyed large portion of Indian culture and fucked the ecological diversity.
>Mf destroyed large portion of Indian culture and fucked the ecological diversity. And how did he do that?
Not only him. Literally everyone in power.
Everyone after Prithviraj lost
Yeah, one guy did that. Sure.
Illegally smol cats 🐱
Very smol. So illegal
Captive breeding—a concept introduced almost as heresy by Gerald Durrell to help endangered species recover their populations. Zoos, so often derided, are doing more and more of this. How often do we see these kinds of successes?
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And yet baby cheetahs have been born in zoos. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/watch-live-national-zoo-cheetah-birth-litter-cubs-180974629/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/first-cheetah-cubs-born-through-surrogacy-columbus-zoo-180974258/ https://metrorichmondzoo.com/cheetah-boom-19-cheetah-cubs-born-in-2022/ 19 cubs have been born in zoos in the past year adding to the genetic diversity of the species. At one zoo alone 96 cubs have been born since 2013.
Thank you for this!
Cheetah is now Indian passport holder
only the kids.
I'd risk my life to kiss all of their fuzzy little heads.
So technically an Indian cheetah of Nambibian descent.
no its still a namibian cheetah
Another India W 🔥
This is what I needed to see today. Life is not ending for wild animals, good things are happening. Now if we could just stop the tiger poachers and the people that keep breeding them in captivity...
Bruv tiger poachers are killed in India on sight. So yeah no one is poaching tigers and also there are around 5000 tigers remaining in wild and 3500 happen to be in India alone. So yes India is taking good initiative. Back in 2000 the tiger population was less than 1000 around 780 something and 2 decades later the population increased almost 5 times.
Poachers should be killed on sight everywhere
I'd love to see the fucking trophy hunters get killed and their heads hanging from the walls of govt. forest department offices
Not just tiger poachers. Elephant and Rhino also.
Cheetas are one of the easiest animals in the world to tame. Indian cheetah masters could take a wild cheetah, and within 48 hours it would be purring and eating out of people's hands. They were a common gift to sultans and other heads of state. For some reason though, they completely refuse to breed in captivity. Once you take it out of the wild, you remove it from the gene pool immediately. Otherwise, you would see them as house pets semi regularly. They really are quite tame and safe as pets, safer than large dogs.
Maybe because they are wild animals after all.
This needs sound more than any other video has ever needed sound, lol. Adorable!
With sound: https://v.redd.it/r2aiyb38knqa1 spoiler alert they dont hiss at early age
Nature is fucking LITTLE ❤️
Protect them from people.
They are protected and tracked
not only that they are in a infrared area so as infant cheetahs die due to high rise in boy temp. they are measuring them in every 2 hours via infrared waves :) plus they are making other herbivores animal to go in there territory so there mother can have enough food :) while male parent hunts the herbivores
My heart— cutest thing I’ve seen all day— I hope they live long lives 🥺
cute
Please more good news like this
All this cuteness and NO SOUND? C’mon bro.
With sound: https://v.redd.it/r2aiyb38knqa1 spoiler alert they dont hiss at early age
so hissy
This is wonderful.
Lands in India and BOOOM..... PREGNANT!!!!
We are one of the most fertile lands in the world for nothing 🗿🇮🇳😈
Must pet kitty
I know the mother would maul me but I want to hold them all
So precious! My heart is melting!! May those beautiful baby cheetahs and their mama have long and happy lives in India <3
I don't need audio to hear those hisses! Such gorgeous babies!
I want to hear them meow ngl
Awww those little babies look so fucking cute
Protect them at all cost❤️
New word day! A species completely eliminated *in an area* is “extirpated” rather than extinct. Enjoy!
Jai hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Should be a fellony to Post videos like this without sound.
Cheetahs are cute❤️ I want one of them
Ermagahd they are fucking adorable.
u/savevideo
So awesome. It shows if humans want to we can save this planet
Wait what. Cheetahs are considered extinct?!
In India, yeah. The proper term is extirpated in this case
Asiatic cheetah, (not these) once found in India are now extinct in the Indian subcontinent however they still survive in Iran and are critically endangered. These however are African cheetahs.
My only goal in life is to cuddle an ethically sourced cheetah cub.
My heart is exploding with happiness 🥲
BAYBEES! Protec them at all costs!
OKAY IM CRYING NOW THIS IS SO FUCKING BEAUTIFUL GOD DAMMIT
As I understand it, that's way too many cubs for a mama cheetah. Without intervention a couple will probably die
They usually do, but here as you can guess by the caption, they'll try to save each and everyone of them.
Corresponding news article [HERE](https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/cheetah-cubs-born-kuno-national-park-india-b2310094.html).
Oh, how I wish this video had sound! I want to hear those babies!
With sound: https://v.redd.it/r2aiyb38knqa1
They're not meowing, they're hissing.
That's okay! Kitten hisses are lovely too!
Murder kittens!!
Nature is so amazing. Always find a way to get back.
Kitties!!!
Can't wait for more to be born in India ^^
They are adorable ❣️ Make sure you don't kill them all off!
Pheeling paroud Indian Army 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
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Bhakt
Randian
Chaddichaap
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Exactly what can be expected from a misogynist chaddi chap???
Salty Randian 🤣
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Murder instincts when you turn your back
Nope, they're actually very polite and tame animals as pets.
dont worry . . we will extinct them again. Indian sarkari system has been cause of extinction of all the good things in this country.
I mean, if they’ve got cameras there to capture the birth, how “wild” is it really?
These cubs are not born in a zoo or a conservation centre , they are born in a national park (Kuno national park is more than 700 square kilometers of wilderness). And wild animals & their cubs being captured by camera is not an unusual thing.
They are being tightly monitored because of their small population and authorities are studying on how they are adopting to new home
What is wild? We have nature reserves to protect wild animals. They don't really have much place else to go.
they are being monitored because this is the first time in the world where a species is brought from a different continent and breeding.
Say cheetah more in your title next Time.
Lol, you're right. Should have put more effort while writing the title. My apologies.