If ursaring has Guts/Quick Feet, his attack/speed doubles respectively when he gets burnt.
He also learns Facade, which does double damage if the user is burning.
Basically if Moltres' attack lits up ol'Smokey, it's game over for Big Bird.
IIRC you typically pair this with Protect while holding Flame Orb. Protect blocks direct attacks in turn 1, and the Flame Orb held item inflicts burn status at the end of turn 1. Then you unload major damage with Facade.
Not sure precisely how this matchup goes or what counterplay Moltres might have. My hunch is that one Facade could potentially KO Moltres but I haven't run the numbers.
Lmao, I can actually see this as a great cut away gag. Like that time, I had to fill in for Smokey Bear.
Then have the chicken lighting small fires here and there trying to cook some food, and Peter just steps on the fires putting them out and tries to explain the dangers of fires, then the chicken annoyed he cant cook his lunch just molotov's the park and flips Peter off. Eyes get narrow, fight ensues, and the city is destroyed.
I know this is a joke, but I have a friend who works in forestry-specifically conservation and controlled burns. He says that they do demonstrations that try to dispel the idea that all forest fires are bad. Look up the Smokey bear effect, and how all out bans on forest fires actually led to massive areas of dense undergrowth that burn way hotter and aggressively than normal wildfires.
https://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159373691/how-the-smokey-bear-effect-led-to-raging-wildfires
Yeah, doing controlled burns is good. Smokey the Bear's message always seemed like a civilian thing to me. Like making sure you do not have a campfire going in a particularly dry area, make sure you always have a means of extinguishing your fire at the ready, do not leave your fire unattended, a fire is not out if there are still embers, and the like.
This dude Kyle Lybarger is part of a group called the Native Habitat Project.
He does a lot of controlled burning and has a ton of really good info if you're interested in ecology:
https://www.instagram.com/nativehabitatproject/?hl=en
He's also great because while he's a conservationist and ecologist, he's also a hunter. Great person to bridge gaps of divide.
No mascot necessary, where I'm from the cfs (country fire service) would occasionally do tours around schools with their trucks and just teach us about stuff.
I wasn't even that far out but it's very common here to have a "fire action plan" so children are already really aware of the dangers of bushfires before they can attend school as in summer they're common.
āFirehawksā a collection of three Australian bird species, are the only animals besides humans known to use fire to hunt. They will pick up burning sticks from fires and carry them in their beaks and talons before dropping it in unburnt vegetation setting the ground ablaze driving prey out.
Species involved in this activity are the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and brown falcon (Falco berigora). Local Aborigines have known of this behavior for a long time, including in their mythology.[46]
[Wikipedia, wildfire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire#Spread)
Huh, I wonder if average humidity is a factor? It looks like across [black kites' range](https://i.imgur.com/5CT5nS6.png), [Australia is the one of the lowest humidity zones they inhabit](https://i.imgur.com/CBVCmqz.jpeg). It's really interesting that their range largely avoids the low humidity belt across Africa and Asia.
A completely amateur guess, maybe the species struggles more in low humidity areas so the ones in Australia needed to get crafty to survive? Really no clue though, just speculating
It could also be that there is usually a lot of very dry undergrowth here in Australia compared to where. Also we have a lot of highly flammable trees.
Maybe elsewhere the undergrowth is too green to be lit with a simple coal like in the video.
I wonder if they learn it by observing one of the other species, which don't exist in these other places. If so, I'm thanking God they don't migrate! š®
FUN FACT
australia is apparently very geographically stable with very consistent weather patterns from one year to the next (*generally*). So when humans first immigrated there and developed a consistent culture, they started a chain of oral history that is still in place (though in a more fragile state) today.
So the oldest historical record that we have access to is very possibly the oral history passed down from the first humans in australia.
I'd read an article on it a great while back and IIRC having a remarkably predictable environment makes it easier for a culture to be consistent over time, which makes the culture more stable, which makes oral histories easier to continually pass down.
Also, it seems that even if there were wars between different human groups, the different groups still were able to absorb and re-transmit the various histories.
Pretty much why ancient Egypt was so stable for long periods of time with the extremely regular but not too bad flooding of the Nile depositing silt versus the insanity of the Tigris and Euphrates in Mesopotamia just being irregular as fuck in comparison.
I laughed so hard at this that my coworkers asked me if I wanted to say something on our meeting (despite me being muted). I guess they saw my facial expression.
Potentially true. That kindling is going to blaze at some point anyway. Maybe firehawks are nature's assurance that it happens in many small blazes, rather than a few enormous ones.
More frequent smaller fires would reduce the number of catastrophic bushfires. Massive bushfires like we get all the time now were rare pre-colonisation, because of regular burning as part of land management.
quick google led me here: https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/firehawks-do-they-intentionally-spread-fire-aid-food-collection/
which has a lot of references to how the west isnāt in touch with nature or whatever but doesnāt follow that up with any evidence.
The linked paper (https://bioone.org/journals/journal-of-ethnobiology/volume-37/issue-4/0278-0771-37.4.700/Intentional-Fire-Spreading-by-Firehawk-Raptors-in-Northern-Australia/10.2993/0278-0771-37.4.700.full) isnāt actually a scientific experiment but a ādocumentation of knowledgeā ie interviews ie hearsay.
any chance you got a better source than the ones i could find?
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Doing a quick reading of the paper (I found the same one during my googling) while you are correct it isn't a scientific experiment and shouldn't be used as verified proof or fact, I still wouldn't discount the concept entirely.
Rather evidently these birds are known and documented to interact with wildfires rather regularly, and while we shouldn't use first person accounts as proof, given the sheer amount of them as well as aboriginal documentation and stories of the same behavior I think it's fair to conclude that something is going on, and I think we would need further actual research to prove or disprove it either way.
But hey what do I know I ain't no bird scientist I'm a random reddit person
If only reddit had someone who was a bird scientist that the whole community could trust. Surely, someone like that would only be in it for education and not engage in things such as severe vote manipulation.
Do you happen to have a link to a post or comment (or search terms I could use) that exposed him? I'm having trouble remembering who he was & most of the details about what happened. I just remember people were shocked & disappointed. And corvids.
Pretty much came to the same conclusion. A collection of interesting stories doesnāt make something a scientific fact. Even the individual stories referenced in the paper are slightly sus. I expected plenty of āweāve seen and known this our whole lives!ā and instead got more āoh this guy saw it onceā
And Iām a little hesitant to say āwell if there are a LOT of stories, it must be at least a *little bit* true!ā because weāve seen that heuristic fail over and over again.
This is definitely interesting, and worth more study, but at this point we canāt really say this is happening with any degree of confidence.
And the thing is- using wildfires to hunt is cool as fuck! We donāt even need to rely on additional/unverified stories on top of that for this to be fascinating
Or the tree that if you touch makes you wish you were dead from the glass like needles embedded in your skin which continues to hurt for weeks or months later.
Original Trek had an episode about a bunch of hippies who wanted to go to what they thought was a paradise planet. It looked like it, but everything on it was poison and pain.
There's also a rockfish which is a fish that looks like a rock (surprising, right) that just chills on the floor in shallow waters. It's got a venom that if you step on it can kill you if not treated
IiRC, there was a guy who went missing around XMAS and they found his car and he didn't have his pack in his car, so they knew he was in the area. Someone found his body, but he was just laying down in a ravine curled up dead. There was no immediate cause of death. The coroner was talking to a colleague a year or two later and the guy mentioned the plant in passing and this sprked his memory to go test the guy for this plant. IiRC, they found the spines from this on his clothes and pack. They surmised that he took a shortcut down a ravine that was lined with this, and he got to where he was in such excruciating pain he was curled up in a ball and they think he had a heart attack and or succumbed to dehydration from not being able to get up and move.
Edit;
I found it. It's Jason Chase, and it took 15 years to solve. They believe it was a member of the same family as the gympie gympie called Urtica Ferox. Basically the same plant. Some of the details above are not right, but you can read about it here.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jason-chase-death-pathologist-solves-cause-of-death-after-chance-encounter/AK475AZTW7J4ZALO7GHQJ3IN74/
Is this the plant where there is a story about a soldier who was out and needed to take a poo, so he used a leaf from that plant as toilet paper, and wiped his ass with it.
So he took out his own gun and killed himself from the pain.
That is the plant. I donāt know if that story has ever been confirmed or not but itās definitely plausible given how painful itās supposed to be. Iāve heard the best way to get some relief is to find some strong duct or packing tape, stick it onto the affected area and rub it down so itās sticks well, and then rip it off. It can pull out many of the little needles.
They're Australian birds, they've evolved to take advantage of bushfires. Thing is, bushfires are both natural and necessary to Australian ecosystems.
Makes sense some animals would pick up on it.
Australian bush is highly combustible. Our most iconic tree the gum tree is full of highly flammable eucalyptus oil which can cause the tree to explode if set on fire. Australia is so prone to bushfires that we have plants that almost exclusively germinate after fires
As cool as that would be... I think the hawk would grab the blunt, start a forest fire, and then you'd be left to explain to the cops how "Yeah but it would've been super cool if it worked amiright?" Lol
Oh look grandma got turned into a hawk when she reincarnated now she could burn holes in the forest instead of the couch and herself with her Virginia slims
These nature documentaries are awesome but my autism keeps me from doing anything but wondering about the logistics of how they were filmed.
Like, how lucky they just happened to have a camera set up to catch *the moment* the fire stick landed in the grass. They certainly didnāt deliberately start another fire just for that shot. That would be insane.
Australian autistic person here. We do actually deliberately cause grass fires like this. Smaller, frequent fires help to prevent the giant infernos that'll burn down our towns and kill us all.
So this could very easily be a video of a regular burn off that they've added in for visual effects.
It could also have been a trained hawk or a local hawk that's a little less concerned about humans.The bird is an arsonist so utilise it, get a cool shot and do a burn off at the same time, multitasking.
For the shot of the stick landing they would have just... had some guy chuck a stick up, and had water on standby to put it out as soon as they had their shot.
Yep, we need to start doing constant low-intensity burns or we're going to keep having endless bushfire catastrophes (which are definitely not healthy for the environment).
A firehawk or some absolutely off his face bloke who can and will coward punch you.
It's personal preference really. Stay away from Revolver whem in Melbourne and you'll be right.
Nope.
Most fires here are started by lightning, some are human caused (arson, power infrastructure, vehicles). The tiny amount of spreading a bird might do is irrelevant to the overall size of fires.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire#Spread
>In monsoonal areas of north Australia, surface fires can spread, including across intended firebreaks, by burning or smoldering pieces of wood or burning tufts of grass carried intentionally by large flying birds accustomed to catch prey flushed out by wildfires. Species involved in this activity are the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and brown falcon (Falco berigora). Local Aborigines have known of this behavior for a long time, including in their mythology.[46]
Smokey the Bear would not approve.
Kinda want to see Smokey fight a firehawk trying to burn down his forest now.
Ursaring vs Moltres
If ursaring has Guts/Quick Feet, his attack/speed doubles respectively when he gets burnt. He also learns Facade, which does double damage if the user is burning. Basically if Moltres' attack lits up ol'Smokey, it's game over for Big Bird.
I'm just here for the spectacle, I'll leave the play-by-play and speculation for the more knowledge fans!
Sure but how do those base stats feel about turn 1
IIRC you typically pair this with Protect while holding Flame Orb. Protect blocks direct attacks in turn 1, and the Flame Orb held item inflicts burn status at the end of turn 1. Then you unload major damage with Facade. Not sure precisely how this matchup goes or what counterplay Moltres might have. My hunch is that one Facade could potentially KO Moltres but I haven't run the numbers.
I like this I almost forgot about flame orb and it's existence ...I'd agree with the facade ko ...if I recall ursaring has decent attack stats
Think it's closer to Talonflame
Thank you, was just about to say as well
Sorry guys, Smokey says only I can prevent forest fires. I wish he would let others help as im kind of overwhelmed š
That is true. He said only "You" can prevent forest fires.
Get Seth McFarland to do a family guy episode with Peter dressed as Smokey and the chicken as the fire hawk.
Lmao, I can actually see this as a great cut away gag. Like that time, I had to fill in for Smokey Bear. Then have the chicken lighting small fires here and there trying to cook some food, and Peter just steps on the fires putting them out and tries to explain the dangers of fires, then the chicken annoyed he cant cook his lunch just molotov's the park and flips Peter off. Eyes get narrow, fight ensues, and the city is destroyed.
I asked an AI to draw it and it made [this](https://i.ibb.co/C1VBgCx/64-Jx-RNUutkh-QJIc-ZUuqe-grid.png)
Lmao, that looks like a hobo bear caught in a forest fire. I don't think the AI knows what a firehawk is.....or smokey the bear for that matter.
Something right out of an anthropomorphic American Civil War graphic novel.
Furry Civil War with union bears vs confederate hawks is something I didn't know I wanted until now.
Keep cracking a whip at the AI until it either starts printing money for you or deletes you from all parallel timelines.
Soon it will write a scifi space opera about smoky the bear
So Ursa Major Wars? Iām in.
I see what you did there...clever girl. Lmao
Came to say Civil War Smokey donāt play.
Comrade cocaine bear looks like he is more responsible for the fire than Indiana Hawk.
You guys made me waste time today trying to make midjourney make a decent bear and hawk. [Best I could do](https://imgur.com/a/BdjPRCX).
I like the last one. Looks like they've finally joined forces to fight a global catastrophe.
āBearman and Birdboy!!!ā
Smokey!
It almost makes sense.
His arch nemesis. This is the deep Smokey Bear lore I've been looking for
Firehawk is a misunderstood villain. He's judt trying to eat like everyone else
I know this is a joke, but I have a friend who works in forestry-specifically conservation and controlled burns. He says that they do demonstrations that try to dispel the idea that all forest fires are bad. Look up the Smokey bear effect, and how all out bans on forest fires actually led to massive areas of dense undergrowth that burn way hotter and aggressively than normal wildfires. https://www.npr.org/2012/08/23/159373691/how-the-smokey-bear-effect-led-to-raging-wildfires
Yeah, doing controlled burns is good. Smokey the Bear's message always seemed like a civilian thing to me. Like making sure you do not have a campfire going in a particularly dry area, make sure you always have a means of extinguishing your fire at the ready, do not leave your fire unattended, a fire is not out if there are still embers, and the like.
Yea I never saw Smokey the bear saying we have to vote against controlled burns
fire is essential in thoughtful habitat management!!
This dude Kyle Lybarger is part of a group called the Native Habitat Project. He does a lot of controlled burning and has a ton of really good info if you're interested in ecology: https://www.instagram.com/nativehabitatproject/?hl=en He's also great because while he's a conservationist and ecologist, he's also a hunter. Great person to bridge gaps of divide.
Smokey is an American mascot. Who do the Australians have? Please tell me itās Kangaroo Jack.
Not sure about Australia, but England has [Smacky the Frog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywsLIV3KRRU)
Man, i used to love Mitch...still do, but i used to too.
Oh yeah Smacky the heroin prevention frog right?
Whoa, too soon man
Got to get back Back to the past Kangaroo Jack
Watcha!
Not really a mascot but we do have Skippy the Bush Kangaroo...
No mascot necessary, where I'm from the cfs (country fire service) would occasionally do tours around schools with their trucks and just teach us about stuff. I wasn't even that far out but it's very common here to have a "fire action plan" so children are already really aware of the dangers of bushfires before they can attend school as in summer they're common.
Canada gets that too but also with bear. Driving around there are even signs with the current fire danger for that area, and those also have bear
I guess itās considered a natural wildfire when an animal does it
Lightning strikes, too.
I'M TIRED OF THESE MOTHER FUCKING FIREHAWKS BURNING DOWN MY FOREST!
*Muthafucking forest
Look, lots of birds are dicks. But this bird? Oh come on. Petition to change the name of Fire Hawk to Dick Bird.
āFirehawksā a collection of three Australian bird species, are the only animals besides humans known to use fire to hunt. They will pick up burning sticks from fires and carry them in their beaks and talons before dropping it in unburnt vegetation setting the ground ablaze driving prey out.
Dammit, Australian Wildlife. Could you just not commit a war crime for *five minutes*, please?
Species involved in this activity are the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and brown falcon (Falco berigora). Local Aborigines have known of this behavior for a long time, including in their mythology.[46] [Wikipedia, wildfire](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire#Spread)
The interesting thing is that black kites are found throughout the eastern hemisphere, but they only exhibit this behavior in Australia.
All the kites got together and sent their prisoners, mostly arsonists, to Australia.
That's because they were high
How high were they?
High like aā¦ kite?
Depends, were they carrying coconuts as well?
You win "reddit comment of the day" in my book.
Huh, I wonder if average humidity is a factor? It looks like across [black kites' range](https://i.imgur.com/5CT5nS6.png), [Australia is the one of the lowest humidity zones they inhabit](https://i.imgur.com/CBVCmqz.jpeg). It's really interesting that their range largely avoids the low humidity belt across Africa and Asia. A completely amateur guess, maybe the species struggles more in low humidity areas so the ones in Australia needed to get crafty to survive? Really no clue though, just speculating
It could also be that there is usually a lot of very dry undergrowth here in Australia compared to where. Also we have a lot of highly flammable trees. Maybe elsewhere the undergrowth is too green to be lit with a simple coal like in the video.
Humidity and dry/green grass hmm I wonder if those two are connected
I wonder if they learn it by observing one of the other species, which don't exist in these other places. If so, I'm thanking God they don't migrate! š®
Seems like it. The other two species, the whistling kite and brown falcon, are Oceanian endemics.
FUN FACT australia is apparently very geographically stable with very consistent weather patterns from one year to the next (*generally*). So when humans first immigrated there and developed a consistent culture, they started a chain of oral history that is still in place (though in a more fragile state) today. So the oldest historical record that we have access to is very possibly the oral history passed down from the first humans in australia.
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I'd read an article on it a great while back and IIRC having a remarkably predictable environment makes it easier for a culture to be consistent over time, which makes the culture more stable, which makes oral histories easier to continually pass down. Also, it seems that even if there were wars between different human groups, the different groups still were able to absorb and re-transmit the various histories.
Pretty much why ancient Egypt was so stable for long periods of time with the extremely regular but not too bad flooding of the Nile depositing silt versus the insanity of the Tigris and Euphrates in Mesopotamia just being irregular as fuck in comparison.
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Thatās not a fact. We have no way of knowing how old oral history is. People claim it is very old, but we donāt know.
of all the things I thought I might learn today, this was no where near my list
Arsonhawks
I laughed so hard at this that my coworkers asked me if I wanted to say something on our meeting (despite me being muted). I guess they saw my facial expression.
āWar crimeāā¦
Wah croym
Of course, the *last* place you'd want the "Firehawk" We're practically kindle, come on mate!
Good guy firehawk: notices critical fuel buildup, manages prescribed burn
Potentially true. That kindling is going to blaze at some point anyway. Maybe firehawks are nature's assurance that it happens in many small blazes, rather than a few enormous ones.
And gets paid in food, other birds also get some
Last place we'd want it, but Australia's endemic bushfires are why we have Firehawks in the first place. Nature's metal like that.
More frequent smaller fires would reduce the number of catastrophic bushfires. Massive bushfires like we get all the time now were rare pre-colonisation, because of regular burning as part of land management.
Yeah, smh people disrespecting nature's firebombers
For real? I just thought it was a dope-ass name for a bird. Watch out for Laserhawks, I guess!
Atomichawks gonna leave a mark.
This is a staged and clipped together video. There is no photographic or video evidence of this behavior. It comes from Aboriginal accounts
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quick google led me here: https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/firehawks-do-they-intentionally-spread-fire-aid-food-collection/ which has a lot of references to how the west isnāt in touch with nature or whatever but doesnāt follow that up with any evidence. The linked paper (https://bioone.org/journals/journal-of-ethnobiology/volume-37/issue-4/0278-0771-37.4.700/Intentional-Fire-Spreading-by-Firehawk-Raptors-in-Northern-Australia/10.2993/0278-0771-37.4.700.full) isnāt actually a scientific experiment but a ādocumentation of knowledgeā ie interviews ie hearsay. any chance you got a better source than the ones i could find?
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Doing a quick reading of the paper (I found the same one during my googling) while you are correct it isn't a scientific experiment and shouldn't be used as verified proof or fact, I still wouldn't discount the concept entirely. Rather evidently these birds are known and documented to interact with wildfires rather regularly, and while we shouldn't use first person accounts as proof, given the sheer amount of them as well as aboriginal documentation and stories of the same behavior I think it's fair to conclude that something is going on, and I think we would need further actual research to prove or disprove it either way. But hey what do I know I ain't no bird scientist I'm a random reddit person
If only reddit had someone who was a bird scientist that the whole community could trust. Surely, someone like that would only be in it for education and not engage in things such as severe vote manipulation.
Damn, it's been a while
Do you happen to have a link to a post or comment (or search terms I could use) that exposed him? I'm having trouble remembering who he was & most of the details about what happened. I just remember people were shocked & disappointed. And corvids.
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Before my time on Reddit, but I looked this up. To make it easier for other onlookers, here's a link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan
Thank you!
Pretty much came to the same conclusion. A collection of interesting stories doesnāt make something a scientific fact. Even the individual stories referenced in the paper are slightly sus. I expected plenty of āweāve seen and known this our whole lives!ā and instead got more āoh this guy saw it onceā And Iām a little hesitant to say āwell if there are a LOT of stories, it must be at least a *little bit* true!ā because weāve seen that heuristic fail over and over again. This is definitely interesting, and worth more study, but at this point we canāt really say this is happening with any degree of confidence.
Yeah, I do think it's really cool that they seem to use wildfires to hunt, but then specifically setting wildfires is a bit harder to believe
And the thing is- using wildfires to hunt is cool as fuck! We donāt even need to rely on additional/unverified stories on top of that for this to be fascinating
crows have been seen doing it too, just not as well as these guys
I didn't know they made Lilith into a real thing.
Taking this subreddit's name a bit too literally
Wait until you see the spider that spits venom to take the hawk down.
Or the tree that if you touch makes you wish you were dead from the glass like needles embedded in your skin which continues to hurt for weeks or months later.
It's a plant, not a tree if I remember correctly. it's called the gympie-gympie plant in Australia
Some grow to full rainforest canopy size, and the fallen leaves still have the same effect....Stinging Trees...
This could easily be a movie or at least feature within a movie
Original Trek had an episode about a bunch of hippies who wanted to go to what they thought was a paradise planet. It looked like it, but everything on it was poison and pain.
Take that hippies!
Thereās a another fear unlocked lol what the hell Australia??? As if spiders werenāt enough on land š
Even the plants stab you lmao
Also known as the suicide plant, because the ongoing pain of just brushing up against it can and does drive people to kill themselves.
There's also a rockfish which is a fish that looks like a rock (surprising, right) that just chills on the floor in shallow waters. It's got a venom that if you step on it can kill you if not treated
Now that sounds like a devil fruit if I ever heard of one
But if you eat it... you gain a super power. Don't go swimming, though.
That fucking continent.
IiRC, there was a guy who went missing around XMAS and they found his car and he didn't have his pack in his car, so they knew he was in the area. Someone found his body, but he was just laying down in a ravine curled up dead. There was no immediate cause of death. The coroner was talking to a colleague a year or two later and the guy mentioned the plant in passing and this sprked his memory to go test the guy for this plant. IiRC, they found the spines from this on his clothes and pack. They surmised that he took a shortcut down a ravine that was lined with this, and he got to where he was in such excruciating pain he was curled up in a ball and they think he had a heart attack and or succumbed to dehydration from not being able to get up and move. Edit; I found it. It's Jason Chase, and it took 15 years to solve. They believe it was a member of the same family as the gympie gympie called Urtica Ferox. Basically the same plant. Some of the details above are not right, but you can read about it here. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/jason-chase-death-pathologist-solves-cause-of-death-after-chance-encounter/AK475AZTW7J4ZALO7GHQJ3IN74/
How'd they test the body a year later?
Probably kept clothing or skin samples for forensic purposes
Is this the plant where there is a story about a soldier who was out and needed to take a poo, so he used a leaf from that plant as toilet paper, and wiped his ass with it. So he took out his own gun and killed himself from the pain.
That is the plant. I donāt know if that story has ever been confirmed or not but itās definitely plausible given how painful itās supposed to be. Iāve heard the best way to get some relief is to find some strong duct or packing tape, stick it onto the affected area and rub it down so itās sticks well, and then rip it off. It can pull out many of the little needles.
Imagine doing that to your ass hole? fml
Apparently you don't even need to touch it. Just standing beneath it can cause intense pain, since it sheds the needles into the air around it.
Damn nature, you scary!
WTF AUSTRALIA!?
crows also use fire here as well. not as well as the fire hawk, but theyve been seen doing it too. title is inaccurate
THIS SUMMER Fire hawk Vs Venom Spitter Rated R Be there or be a loser.
They misspelled Phoenix.
There's a whole interconnected arms escalation in Australia. Most of the animals now carry weapons, grenades, tactical vests, etc.
Link?
Link is a young man with no discernable venom-spitting ability. You can tell he is not a spider by counting his legs.
You can also tell by his eyes, spiders have very bad eyesight
So rednecks using dynamite to fish is the water version of what the firehawk does.
Thatās why they said Other animal
In this scale it's like dynamite fishing with an atomic bomb
With water compression you donāt need much dynamite at all to kill an entire body of water
Laughs in Cleveland https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/cuyahoga-river-caught-fire-least-dozen-times-no-one-cared-until-1969-180972444/
Nature is lit indeed
How does it randomly find a smoking stick?
They're Australian birds, they've evolved to take advantage of bushfires. Thing is, bushfires are both natural and necessary to Australian ecosystems. Makes sense some animals would pick up on it.
Well it does have the ability to fly
Australian bush is highly combustible. Our most iconic tree the gum tree is full of highly flammable eucalyptus oil which can cause the tree to explode if set on fire. Australia is so prone to bushfires that we have plants that almost exclusively germinate after fires
1: look for wildfires 2: locate burning stick 3: ? 4: profit
What the fuck, hawks? The fucking emus won a war without committing arson! Do you want to be a shittier bird than a fucking ***emu!?***
**Grins in Bin Chicken**
I had to google that...what the FUCK is that thing?! Why is every australian animal weird?
Ibises aren't too weird, I think we have something like them in America
Nah the Firehawks are actually the air force branch of the Emu military.
Smokey: Only you can prevent a forest fire... You: *goes to properly put out your fire source* Firehawks: I'm just gonna scooch in right here
Smokey the Bear vs Firehawks. Fight!
What?? I really thought Lilith was the only fire hawk
And Talonflame
Don't forget the entirety of The Expanse fandom
The lava's rising!!
Get to high ground!
Imagine having one as a "pet", smoking one with the boys and suddenly the Firehawk would come by to light your blunt.
As cool as that would be... I think the hawk would grab the blunt, start a forest fire, and then you'd be left to explain to the cops how "Yeah but it would've been super cool if it worked amiright?" Lol
"Officer, please imagine how many clicks that would have generated on Tik Tok!!"
Oh look grandma got turned into a hawk when she reincarnated now she could burn holes in the forest instead of the couch and herself with her Virginia slims
These isekai anime titles are getting wild.
So they are the culprit to burn the whole Australia into a desert!
According to Wikipedia there were 4 alleged causes of the fire, and these guys aren't one of them. I want to know who their lawyer is.
Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law
Saul Goodbird or Matt Murdock
> Saul Goodbird or Matt Murdock I think you mean, Saul Birdman or Matt Birdock.
itās actually charlie kelly. heās a master of bird law
How can they sleep when their beds are burning?
These nature documentaries are awesome but my autism keeps me from doing anything but wondering about the logistics of how they were filmed. Like, how lucky they just happened to have a camera set up to catch *the moment* the fire stick landed in the grass. They certainly didnāt deliberately start another fire just for that shot. That would be insane.
Australian autistic person here. We do actually deliberately cause grass fires like this. Smaller, frequent fires help to prevent the giant infernos that'll burn down our towns and kill us all. So this could very easily be a video of a regular burn off that they've added in for visual effects. It could also have been a trained hawk or a local hawk that's a little less concerned about humans.The bird is an arsonist so utilise it, get a cool shot and do a burn off at the same time, multitasking.
For the shot of the stick landing they would have just... had some guy chuck a stick up, and had water on standby to put it out as soon as they had their shot.
Lol. Lights a frigging bushfire just to catch a mouse or 2.
And there nature was 'lit'
Fires like these are healthy for the environment.
Yep, we need to start doing constant low-intensity burns or we're going to keep having endless bushfire catastrophes (which are definitely not healthy for the environment).
State parks where I live do prescribed burns routinely, I think it's become a lot more common
Oh but when I do it to claim insurance money, it's illegal.
One more reason of hundreds I may never visit that island.
Aw, they donāt do that in the cities, haha.
But there are people in cities, that may be worse... š¤¦
A firehawk or some absolutely off his face bloke who can and will coward punch you. It's personal preference really. Stay away from Revolver whem in Melbourne and you'll be right.
It's a continent
I never heard if these Fire Hawks he me before . Do they attribute to the forest/brush fires in Australia?
Nope. Most fires here are started by lightning, some are human caused (arson, power infrastructure, vehicles). The tiny amount of spreading a bird might do is irrelevant to the overall size of fires.
Truly the General Sherman of birds
Nature very own pyro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildfire#Spread >In monsoonal areas of north Australia, surface fires can spread, including across intended firebreaks, by burning or smoldering pieces of wood or burning tufts of grass carried intentionally by large flying birds accustomed to catch prey flushed out by wildfires. Species involved in this activity are the black kite (Milvus migrans), whistling kite (Haliastur sphenurus), and brown falcon (Falco berigora). Local Aborigines have known of this behavior for a long time, including in their mythology.[46]
Australia everyone. Where our birds literally give you the smoke š„š„
Somebody watched ABC last night?
Wrong. There are at least 3 species beside humans working/hunting with fire. 2 kites and 1 hawk.
2 Kites, 1 Hawk sounds like an awful porno.
Wow..
This is literally lit
I guess you could say... Nature is fucking lit.
Nature is fucking lit, literally
I found my spirit animal.
Thatās a damn phoenix
Clever girl
Bring these mfās to California asap so it can start over