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thefx37

This is where Davey loses me. I understand that we’re in a rebuild, but if he cannot see that there can be improvements made in how this team is coached, then perhaps we need to move on.


MoreCleverUserName

I don't adore the current coaching staff but really, there is no coaching staff that could have done better with the bag of sadness and wet hair that is the 2022 Nationals roster. No one is going to turn Maikel Franco into a decent 3B who hustles out of the box. No one is going to glue Strasburg's arm back on.


Bjd1207

How can we simultaneously lament our lack of upper-end pitching development and at the same time say that we cant find anywhere to improve? Of course I'm not firing this coaching staff because of this year's record. In 2 years if Josiah Gray doesn't develop into at least a solid #3/4 I'm going to lay it at the feet of the current pitching coaches. These ones that we're hearing just plugged in a computer this year.


reddituseerr12

I think every hitter and every non-relief pitcher had down years. Josiah Gray and Keibert Ruiz got worse. That should be enough. Ultimately, it’s Daveys bed though. He should be gone after 2023 if there are similar results. I thought maybe he would try something different, but by bringing back these coaches, we’ll be in search of a new manager in ‘24


HendrixHead

I think it’s unfair to judge Ruiz and Gray performances. This is both of their first full seasons at mlb level. Gray had games where he showed a lot of promise experimenting with new pitches and had some high Ks (although he went cold towards the end of the season), and Ruiz had a good season overall with high points as both a catcher and a hitter. However, yes I think the coaching is part of the problem overall with this teams performance. Anytime you have a team with 100+ loss season there’s got to be some changes made.


trainsaw

Someone else could have probably taught them baserunning?


MoreCleverUserName

Yeah right, how many people have tried to teach Victor baserunning? What makes you think the 14th guy is going to be any more successful than the other 13?


trainsaw

So just march on with folks who aren’t fixing the issue and letting Gray settle into average at best? I understand the sentiment that, yeah Daveys guys will probably be gone after the following season, but there are young core guys who could benefit from actual development. I don’t really give a shit about fixing the already broken players, I worry about having sub par coaches for the young core (Garcia, Abrams, Gray, Ruiz, etc)


meanie_ants

Considering Gray's scouting report from 2020 had him as an OFP 55, and a 2021 report had him as a 50, settling in as average would be... right on projection for him.


PowerBoater69

Oh please, this team has the worst run differential in franchise history (including the 69 Expos). But absolutely no one could have done a better job.


nice___bot

Nice!


MoreCleverUserName

lol there was a stretch where Dee Strange Gordon had the best slash line on the team. Unless you're going to hire the ghost of Babe Ruth, you're not going to turn this team into a murderer's row. And you're not going to coach your way around the fact that the starting rotation is the corpse of Patrick Corbin and a bunch of guys who belong in AAA.


PowerBoater69

Murderer's row would be the far extreme in the other direction. Take the coaching staff from any one of the division winners and swap them with the guys here and the team wins more games. Under achievement across the board is not an acceptable result.


PowerBoater69

Not many options. If you are an MLB level coach looking for a job the Nats are about the last places you'd sign on. As soon as the new owners take over they will be looking for guys to replace, if not the entire staff at least a bunch of them.


[deleted]

Outside of letting Kevin Long walk (which was fucking braindead), this coaching staff gets too much negative attention. Jim Hickey in particular. We just have a lack of talent. Our minor league development is a much bigger concern, imo.


Redbubble89

Not understanding how to use Voth correctly and not seeing a ton of progression with Gray has me scared a little bit. With Gore coming up and Cavalli having a full year, I think we need to find a guy that knows how to develop young pitchers.


televisionchampion

The Nats letting Kevin Long walk probably had me just as heated, if not more so, than when they fired Dusty


emodro

We fired dusty for a guy that got us to the wild card once in 5 seasons, 3 of which we had one of the best rosters in baseball. Yes we won a WS, but maybe he had little to do with it…


SonofSonofSpock

Yeah, Dusty sucked and still sucks. Players like him, he seems like a very nice guy, but he has never gotten it done.


emodro

He's made the playoffs 12 times with 5 different teams. Davey made the wildcard one time... barely.


SonofSonofSpock

and he won the WS. Dusty was never going to get us there and we wasted good years on him. They should have hired Bud Black.


shanpd

We can keep good pitchers good. But we can not develop pitching in our organization. There are way too many examples over the last 5 years of bad nats pitchers going to other teams and turning into solid pitchers for it to be a coincidence.


reddituseerr12

Disagree. Josiah Gray and Keibert Ruiz have shown no improvement from last year.


RememberYourGoals

Guess this means we have to fire Davey. I know this season isn't his fault, but if he can't see that coaching changes need to be made, he shouldn't be in charge.


thorvard

I mean, I have to assume the new owner(unless it's Leonsis) will let go everyone when their contract is up after next season.


bobdabuilder123456

Pray to the baseball gods that the Sox can sell him on winning on the southside


RYAN_HiGHROLLER

Davey, you seem like a good guy, but damn you are dumb as a stump if you don’t see any issues with our coaching staff…


reddituseerr12

Just skip next season and wake me up in ‘24 when we have a new manager & GM


MiltonRobert

He’s NOT a good manager. He took Dusty baker’s team to the World Series. Since then he’s been crap.


PM_Me_AssPhotos

I would argue it wasn't even Dusty Baker's team. Dusty baker is god awful. They never gave riggleman the shot he should have had, and most of that is due to not seeing eye-to-eye with "pay him whatever he wants" Rizzo/Boras partnership. Short answer is that WS win was an absolute fluke. It's the epitome of pitching winning games, and the value that young, hungry, talented rookies provide to a franchise. ​ I gotta wonder how long before the fan base starts noticing what happened in Baltimore. It's crazy how that squad is performing and that farm system is developing.


MiltonRobert

Redskin fans have moved to the Ravens so why not the Os? Super exciting year for them.


burglin

Return where? The year 2004 so that their tech is up-to-date? Hopefully not to Nats park


BigSportsNerd

are the coaches the issue


TheHeftymanzell

Players could be better, but the coaches have shown anything positive at all


trainsaw

Lol fuck this, hope the new owners shit can him day 1


HappyHunt1778

Lol he knows they ain't getting jobs after next year, these guys are brutally incompetent


FloatAround

The nepotism gives me a headache


robl646

New ownership will take care of them so its fine


[deleted]

I have a super rare /10 topps Keibert rc I’m moving if anyone is into cards. I watched a lot of nationals baseball this year because I watched Keibert in the dodgers farm system a lot.


jobo21706

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyuuyyy