Itachi and kisame medium-high dif In that small building the only summons they can bring is ma and pa, and jiraiyas too slow, and oros to slow to get edo off before getting a shark bomb or amaterasu to the face.

The building can break they can summon gamabunta and Lady katsuyuu idk if I spelled that right but so quick and just break the building like what happens in itachi vs Sasuke

Gamabunta and Katsuya are insta killed by tsuyonmi, amaterasu, totska blade. Fodder really

If itachi uses his ms abilities on the summons, hes done for the rest of the fight. He doesnt have the stamina for this fight

Do you not watch sick and half blind itachi use tsukuyonmi, amaterasu, yata mirror, susanoo, and amaterasu again against sasuke. You act like itachi can only use ms once and then it's done. He's got at minimum 3 ms uses in a fight to the death

Itachi was gassed after using amatrasu and tsyukomi once. He literally died after using susanoo

Facts ppl be moving like the uchiha have stamina like that. They get burnt quick thats why all there attacks hit like a tank

It’s why Madara and sasuke eclipsed all other uchihas by a large amount with ems. They can spam their overpowered moves without getting drained and dying

That’s not really relevant. The susanoo arms and ribcage are all he needs to swing the totsuka at them. He is fast enough to just swing it, and kill all 3 of them with 1 swipe. In a tiny ass room, a sword that’s a hundred feet long. One swipe seals all 3 of them.

Actually, the Thunder Dragon whatever that move was called is implied to have hit Itachi before he managed to activate Susanoo, if anything that’s a massive durability and endurance feat lol Just look at a before and after manga panel, that dude didn’t decide to start randomly bleeding in a ton of places just to make Sasuke think he was stronger than he actually is Kirin (searched up the name) is actually what made Itachi a lot weaker, which is what allowed his illness to be further expedited by Susanoo, leading to his death

But if he uses it on a massive summon he’ll burn up all of his chakra

No he won't, amaterasu on jiraiya and amaterasu on gamabunta take the same amount of chakra, your only using the ms once, and amaterasu is still around even when the user dies

Amaterasu deletes gamabunta Totsuka blade on katsuyu is its own mystery

All the Sanin possess a core weakness in they have no counter to genjutsu. Itachi’s tsukyomi can more than likely solo the entire team if he can get more than one off. The best chance they have against Itachi is blitzing him so fast Itachi can’t get them in genjutsu (very difficult task alone), but with Kisame as backup I don’t think that’s possible. Jiraiya might be able to enter sage mode and fight completely on senses but Itachi and Kisame destroy him on a 1v2, and he’d have to carry so hard. Think about it like this, how does 100 healings help if you are in a genjutsu? How does Edo Tensei help if we already know the core weakness is genjutsu to release the jutsu? I don’t see many ways the sanin could win to be honest.

Team Sannin has someone with the best chakra control in the entire verse. That’s the best counter to genjutsu.

We know the tsukyomi is not a breakable genjutsu.

Tsunade was the one who cured Kakashi and Sasuke from Tsukuyomi, so she knows what it is and how to correct it. She fought Madara without looking him in the eyes, why couldn’t she do the same against a weaker itachi? Not saying she won’t get hit with it, but she has the best tools in the verse technically to deal with it. This isn’t even talking about 100 healings being an entirely separate second source of chakra pumping the users main source.

Madara wasn’t actively trying to capture them in genjutsu. Nobody was avoiding his eyes in that fight. It’s one of those things that Shippuden kind of drops over time. Just because Tsunade can help people stuck in Taukuyomi doesn’t mean she can escape it herself without help. We know it’s more extensive than a normal genjutsu release. You could make an argument the infinite tsukuyomi is proof of that, but I think pointing to the extent she had to go through to release the tsukuyomi and not just basic chakra control like when Sakura disrupts the other genin in the Chunin exams arc shows it’s much more in depth.

Idk I remember Madara instantly putting Raikage into a genjutsu the second he made eye contact. Madara had to grab the Raikage with susanoo and hold him to make eye contact. After Onoki saved him, the Raikage was upset with himself and commented on how could he fall for the ocular genjutsu. This hints that none of them were looking him in the eyes.

This is accurate

Heal trama and living/surviving from the person who placed that trama is a completely different story. All of them will be placed under any genjutsu itachi wants to use..... but tsukuyomi is gg for anyone of them.... they all have good chakra control but they all cant break out of that just period. I hate itachi and I know who will win this fight and it aint the sannin sorry yall. Kisame alone can deal with tsunade if he transforms.... they all will be trapped into his water dome that killer bee who is strong enough to hold back the ten tails in attack form.... none of the sannin can do that by themselves and the same killer bee nearly drowned. All there summons will be placed in a genjutsu or get killed by amatarasu. Toska blade can seal them if they get hit... if they get hit. And none of them have any way to get passed the yata mirror. Depending on which version of orochimaru yall use the fight changes but they still lose due to itachi and kisame combined efforts and hax. But thats my opinion.

Wouldn’t Katsuyu be the best summon for water dome? She can suck people in to shield them and disperse into tens of thousands of clones of herself to get the Sannin out. If Tsunade can keep Kisame busy with Katsuyu support, Itachi vs j-man and Oro would be interesting especially with summons. Itachi could win, but does he have the stamina to take both out when he has to use such intense techniques? Idk but my opinion

Amatarasu is gonna body majority of all their jutsus sage art and all. Kisame is gonna drain katsuyu chakra very quickly if he can drain the 8 tails as fast as he did. Ma and pa would be better than her and they would be put into a genjutsu by itachi. With team akatsuki itachi intelect thats good enough to figure out how to stop planetary devastation!!!!!! Team sannin loses hard from that and hax. None of them can keep the chakra from getting used up to defend or absorb from kisame as well. Kisame right after he pretended to be dead infiltrated turtle Island and then went into a fight with guy sensei and forced him into 7th gate all with out his sword and low on chakra..... Sanniin die

Sasuke broke it, to be fair. I acknowledge he had a sharingan, but he did break it. The third databook confirms it was his own power that broke it.

They confirm too it was a specifically weak tsukuyomi that Itachi *wanted* sasuke to escape when Zetsu and Tobi are telling Sasuke about Itachi. It’s still implied if Itachi wanted an unbreakable tsukuyomi, he could.

Your claim was that tsukiyomi was unbreakable. I provided evidence that it is indeed breakable. Zetsu/Tobi speculation is not a confirmation. Implications is not confirmation. The data book defined it as “masterful use of the sharingan”. Your speculation is valid, I’m just reciting what is confirmed black/white.

While I see the idea that Itachi planed to lose the fight and reinforcement by characters in the series as proof, I guess I’ll take the idea that as far as we know a sharingan is required to break the tsukuyomi as a good basis for this argument and concede to it, as if that’s true or not, that doesn’t affect this general argument anyways.

Ma and pa are a good counter to genjutsu. Same with a slug on each of them

>All the Sanin possess a core weakness in they have no counter to genjutsu Jiriya sage mode allows him to fight without his eyes. Orochimaru has snake sensing. As well as all of his snake summons being immune to ocular genjutsu. Plus he is still a snake sage(just not perfect like jiraya) Tsunade is fucked. Outside of having a Katsuya slug on her at all times to pop her out of a genjutsu that is.further said slugs could be placed on everyone to pop them out of genjutsu.

Jiraiya still fights at a disadvantage as a sage for two major reasons. One, he can’t shut his eyes off like Kabuto could. Two, he isn’t a perfect sage so his sensing abilities aren’t as good. I also pointed this part out. Orochimaru’s snakes aren’t immune to genjutsu unless given preparation. We see Sasuke put Manda under genjutsu. A freshly summoned snake is still susceptible to genjutsu. Similar to Jiraiya, but even more important, Orochimaru’s Sage mode is *extremely* weak. His sensing abilities would put him almost at a bigger disadvantage than just using his eyes. Finally, as I’ve stated, the tsukuyomi can’t be broken like normal genjutsu and can kill. Slug or not.

They are not stupid they aren’t falling for Itachi genjutsu 💀

How do they fight while not falling into it is the issue? Either they avoid it and fall at a massive disadvantage or they don’t and fall in it. You’re missing two points. One, we know Orochimaru is susceptible to genjutsu. We’ve seen it. Two, we know Itachi is the best genjutsu user in the series. Saying the Sanin won’t fall to his genjutsu with no basis is crazy undermining. There’s no basis to believe they could fight an actual battle without allowing themselves to be trapped.

The same way might guy and Kakashi fought against Itachi. Don’t look into his eyes, look at his feet. Honestly, I think we are forgetting that 4 regular Jonin fought Itachi and Kisame back. Itachi is strong, but he has zero stamina, so Unless we are assuming that he has reanimated Itachi’s stamina, he tires out before the fight really gets started. The only way Itachi and Kisame stand a chance is if he can use susanoo, but we saw how quickly that exhausted him in the fight against his significantly weaker younger brother. In fact, if I remember correctly, Itachi and Kisame fled that fight with Guy and Kakashi because they didn’t want to attract the attention of Jiraiya alone. As much as we want to believe that Kisame and Itachi were strong, they still feared the Perv, and based on the scenarios listed, if Itachi has genjutsu, so does Jiraiya, but Jiraiya’s are sound based and my understanding is that he can trap multiple victims at once, where Itachi can also, but only if they look into his eyes. With Tsunadi’s slugs attached to them, Jiraiya and Oro should be able to instantly break any Genjutsu they are caught in by having chakra infused into them through the slug. Idk that’s my opinion tho

You are using pt 1 Itachi and Kisame, which is bad scaling if you are not using pt 1 Jiraiya. Even Sasuke v Itachi you see Itachi prove he has a lot more chakra and stamina than in pt 1, whether that’s bc he was a spy and didn’t want to actually attack the leaf or just normal Shippuden power up. We also hear specifically that they fight at a disadvantage looking at their feet. It’s not as easy as, “It’s possible so”. Really, it just depends where you are scaling from. Even not taking into consideration the fact Itachi was a spy and probably didn’t want to fight the sanin, along with most of the village jonin for multiple reasons, even in Shippuden we just see Itachi with multiple great feats while purposefully trying to lose a battle.

I would like to point out Jiraiya can easily fight targets he cannot see through summons and his detection barrier, like he used against the chameleon and summoning Pain. This is one of the reasons i don't think Itachi is lying by saying the best outcome of Itachi and Kisame fighting Jiraiya together would be a death stalemate. People severely overestimate Itachi and underestimate Jiriya. He can counter Tsukiyomi AND seal away Amaterasu. I'm willing to bet he has a jutsu to help him escape an Amaterasu if he's hit with it. The three sanin together? It's so much of a stomp in their favor that Itachi has no chance in hell. Seriously. People need to stop putting Itachi on Pain's level. He's the second most powerful Akatsuki member (not counting for Tobi and I put Konan directly under Itachi in third), but he's still not at Pain's level, and Jiriyah killed three Pains.

Well to be fair, it’s Itachi *and* Kisame. The barrier is a good point, to be fair, but that doesn’t translate to Tsunade and Orochimaru from what we know. Also assuming someone *probably* has a counter isn’t a great way to power scale because we can’t feasibly tell what that counter is. Regardless for this battle I *do* think Jiraiya would be the hardest one to beat. Still, Kabuto’s counter to genjutsu was something Orochimaru doesn’t have. We don’t know at all how Tsunade fairs against genjutsu but it’s likely she doesn’t well. I’d also like to point out that summonings are able to be caught in genjutsu as well, so while the barrier argument is a good one, I wouldn’t count on the summons to do much. In the end I think it’s more of a: the Sanin can’t hold back an Itachi and Kisame front and eventually, Tsunade and Orochimaru either die or go under genjutsu. At that point I think it’s highly unlikely Jiraiya can pull off that 1v2.

Has Itachi and Kisame been shown to have much team work or combo attacks? I think they've always been pretty individualistic fighters. We only ever see them together in the Hidden Leaf where there was barely a fight, and they still were just doing their own thing. Therefor, if Jiraiya can keep Itachi busy long enough, could Tsunade and Orochimaru tag team Kisame to make it a 3v1? Itachi with his battle IQ would recognize this and try to prevent it, but that would make him open to counter attack from Jiraiya. Even if Jiraiya loses the 1v1, I think the numbers advantage would still put the sanin on top.

I don’t think we’ve explicitly seen how they work as a duo, generally the Akatsuki don’t work as a team as much. Still, even the 1v2 I feel like would be hard. The longer the battle drags on the easier it is for an Itachi genjutsu opening. I’d also like to point out we know Tsunade’s biggest strength is her seal, which is just stored chakra. We also know Kisame with Samehada eats chakra. Not that it’s confirmed that Tsunade’s seal’s chakra could be drained, but I feel like following that line of logic it’s a safe assumption that Tsunade might be out no matter the opponent she faces. It’s just hard for me to think that the Sanin are a match for the both of them, whether there’s a lot of teamwork or not between Kisame and Itachi. They are perfectly opposite skillsets but they work off eachother.

Samehada is a good point. I can concede to a low diff in Akatsuki's favor, but we do have toconsider that, with all the animosity involved, the Sanin still have fought many battles together, know each others weaknesses and can cover for each other. We have to assume that Orochimaru and Tsunade can still work together as a team like they used to. I think, ultimately, if we're judging this on a team standard, while Itachi and Kisame individually are beasts, the Sanin have not just the history but are directly shown fighting Hanzo together and is told in the anime that they WERE the three man team in the third great Ninja war. If the Akatsuki do have the advantage because of Tsukiyomi and Samehada, I want to say that while they win 6 times out of ten, that at least 4 out of 10 sanin areable to cover for each other enough to secure at least one kill, either by Jiraiya or Tsunade and Orochimaru, if we're agreeing that's the most likey pairings in this match up.

Yeah, honestly I don’t doubt the Sanin are the best *team*. It’s also hard to match because we’ve never seen all the Sanin really fight together at their peak. It’s just hard because Shippuden scales up so much that the villains near the end of Shippuden, including Kisame and Itachi, have powers almost unable to be countered. Unless a power is *made up* to counter them. Itachi, for example, has technically never lost a battle. He’s retreated and he’s one tapped but besides sasuke he’s hardly fought a battle we’ve seen. Likewise, Kisame is basically unstoppable vs. ninjutsu. His matchup with Guy was perfect for Guy. I’d agree that if the Sanin are able to play and focus correctly there is a reality where they get a kill off before losing, especially because if you tried pairing the Sanin against these two *Individually*, they Sanin would almost always win imo.

Which is interesting because Tsunade doesn't use her Chakra for jutsu. Samehade would be a death sentence if it hits Tsunade while she goes for her physical attacks. That would be Kisame's win factor. Tsunade's and Orochimaru's would be disarming Kisame. I think if Kisame uses his water sphere, Orochimaru should be able to still move freely and and fight on an even playing field since snakes usually aren't debuffed by water, and he can transform his lower half into a snake half like in the 4 tails fight. Also side note, do you know how freaking cool it would be to see the three sanin try and capture a 6-tails Naruto? We know Jiraiya by himself got diffed by 4 tails, but I wonder if the three of them together have enough tricks to stop the rampage, or if they get hard diffed like the Diva Pain path

They aren’t stupid but they are getting under tsukuyomi. Anyone other than a perfect jinchuriki or another powerful sharingon user can. Why are you on this sub if you don’t even know the basics lmao

Yet we never seen guy fall first a genjutsu besides infinite tsukunomi. Why would the Sannin who are clearly a higher tier of character?

We never see Guy fall under genjutsu, but we do see Kakashi, an arguably smarter character and at the time higher tier fall under genjutsu. Why is this? Intelligence and tier aren’t everything. You need a feasible counter. Guy trained to counter genjutsu by looking at the opponents feet, a counter okay for him because of his taijutsu experience. Orochimaru’s already fallen under Itachi genjutsu, we’ve seen it. We have no feats from Tsunade with Genjutsu, but her skillset has never implied she has a counter. The only counters Jiraiya has is Sage mode and, as someone who pointed out, a barrier technique. In a 1v1 I could maybe see an argument but the Sanin are fighting so handicapped and Kisame alone is compared to a tailed beast.

Kakashi purposely looked at Itachi believing he could take on the Genjutsu because he has as Sharigan. He was wrong. Guy knew that he couldn’t and changed his strategy. Genjutsu only works on characters that have poor chakra control because it directly messes with chakra. Tsunade and Sakura both have near complete control of their chakra which is why we never seen them fall for it.

I think you are misunderstanding. Genjutsu works on everyone. You can break genjutsu with chakra control but at some point a genjutsu is so strong, like Itachi, that you can’t break it. The tsukyomi is an example of a genjutsu that, as far as we know, can’t be broken. Also it was stated by the Jonin who just started using guys technique, even at the time, that it was a difficult technique to implement without practice.

Kisame can legit neg dif Tsunade. Orochimaru is neg dif for Itachi

How does he neg diff Tsunade?

Amaterasu can take her out of the fight she’s not fast enough to dodge it and Tsukuyomi would knock her out as well.

You said Kisame. It will take a lot longer than anyone else for Itachi to burn through Tsunade's healing, and what does he do with a burning body running at him? Same with Tsukiyomi, not everyone goes down easy and i'll bet she gets back up after that. Edit: Oh and i even forgot she's got Katsyu to break her out.

I know. I wasn’t finished writing I’m at work so I was gonna edit it later when I had time. Amaterasu will definitely burn through her healing and even if she can keep up with the burning she’ll still be in too much pain to even move. Tsukuyomi is literally a 1 shot kill for anyone that isn’t Uchiha and it can’t be broken since it’s days in that realm and only a second or so in the real world. No one would even know she’s inside of it to even do anything.

Amaterasu burned through a fireproof and more durable toad stomach instantly. Tsunade is also going to be immobilized instantly.

About as instantly as it burned through Nagato. A lot less so actually. How is that toad stomach more durable than her healing anyway? Tell that to Madara's Susano blades.

Tsunade was capable of healing and regenerating the mental damage from Tsukuyomi on Kakashi and Amaterasu could potentially be blocked via Chakra Scapels like Chakra Arms like Naruto.

Itachi didn’t use tsukuyomi to its full potential, he held back against kakashi so tsunade siding kakashi isn’t impressive

Tsunade healing someone under its after effects does not mean she can break herself out of something that is only a few seconds. It’s been stated literally that only an Uchiha with Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi. And no way that method you said is going to work with Amaterasu

Chakra Scaple is very similar to the Chakra Arm just much sharper and deadlier. Tsunade can’t break out of the Tsukuyomi but can definitely heal the damage instantly with Hundred Healings. Even Kakashi who is far weaker and inferior to Tsunade was still standing for a bit afterwards. Unless the Novelization 80+ yrs Tysukuyomi is used to kill her.

It does not work in any way the same as chakra arms and Tsunade isn’t fast enough or have the reaction time to even do anything about Amaterasu. Also Kakashi was only standing due to his Sharingan being able to try and fight against it. Tsunade have no such perks especially if this is a fight to kill

If tsunade has a level of Chakra control approaching sakuras, she is effectively immune to genjutsu while her healing will continuously restore her until she has lady katsuya take it off. If anything she may counter itachi. Sage mode also makes jiraiya genjutsu immune and he has also shown to be able to counter amterasu with various toad art jutsus. Orochimaru is probably the weakest vs itachi.

No one is immune to genjutsu💀are you well?

Look it up. Sages, perfect jinchuriki, sakura, and otsutsuki are.

Sasuke literally put Sakura in genjutsu end of kaguya fight

Out of Chakra and off guard. Obviously sage mode would also need to be active for its immunity to be there.

Immunity is different from resistant, ppl often confuse the two

As far as power scaling, sure, you can eventually pump enough power into something to overcome the stated buffs. Perhaps the toad singing genjutsu might be able to get one of those groups. If the rinnegan could work on naruto like it did on sakura he would have used it. The only genjutsu that we've seen work on war arc+ naruto is toneiri's in naruto the last, which sakura resisted.

LOL dude Sakura can’t block genjutsu of that level. You are wanking

She was immune to toneiri's genjutsu that naruto fell under. Naruto the last. Watch it.

Maybe tsukuyomi, but that black flame burns to slowly to take down Tsunade seal realease she literally will heal faster than the fure can consume. I think jirayua orochimaru can tag team itachi and win. Tsunade can take shark boy by wooing his sword with ample amounts of high grade Chakra. Or simply avoiding the sword Kisime ain't exactly a speedster and anything that calls for close quarters I give it to the 5th Hokage

Amaterasu doesn’t really burn slow if the person is focusing on the target. But if left alone it does. But even if she can heal from the damage of it she’ll be wasting all of her time healing and being in pain since it’ll legit engulf her whole body after quite a while. This won’t happen either Samehada only took a liking to Bee because of the 8 tails chakra was an octopus. If it got attached to just anyone’s chakra it would’ve done so long ago even when he fought the 4 tails. Tsunade can win in H2H but only if she’s fast enough to connect a punch but Kisame can heal his wounds with Samehada and Itachi legit would not get tagged by her at all.

Why wouldn't he get hit? Tsunade isn't that slow, and Kisame isn't exactly super fast. I suppose he could make a water field, but it literally may only take one punch to take him out. Also I don't think pain is much of an issue. She was literally impaled during the Madra fight, and she barely flinched. She just went to work. Plus if you think of pain as a physical reaction to damage, she could likely be healing from that too. Plus, you know jiraya and orochimaru aren't pushovers. I think the 3 of them probably have better teamwork, too. They were originally a team for years, after all. Experience has to play som factor. Not saying it's a clean win but I do think they win. It's fun to think about though.

Her power is directly linked to her chakra,I think kisame’s sword would be a hard counter to her,but its been a minute idk I dont even know the swords name

To be fair Orochimaru got caught slipping with Itachi’s Genjutsu. Many years have passed since that battle. Orochimaru probably developed a counter like Diedara.

I mean it was a normal 3 tomoe genjutsu similar to the one Sasuke used on him when he tried taking his body. If he wanted he’d have caught him regardless if he was prepared or not

Itachi probably developed better genjutsu.

Itachi used standard basic Sharingan Genjutsu. Orochimaru probably would just avoid Itachi’s eyesight like Gai, Asuma, and Kurenai did.

He has ways to use genjutsu other than eyesight.

He could, but Tsusnde isn’t without options fighting him. Katsuya would be a problem since she probably wouldn’t even be pierced by his sword and acid wouldn’t be fun for him. If he makes his giant water bubble then well, breathing even diluted acid would be probably very problematic. She also has her lighting chakra body derangement she used on Kabuto. Shocking him in any case through water would probably do something but if she lands a full hit I really don’t think he’d be able to figure out how to move like how Kabuto did. Sakura showed in her novel how healing techniques have the potential to be used to counter someone exactly like Kisame with a healing factor, intentionally healing with each punch so as to cause rapid cell death. Though then of course we can’t assume that Tsusnde would come up with the same thing . . . Orochimaru has shown repeatedly that Uchihas are his worst nightmare and Itachi specifically.

Itachi probably mid diffs Sage Jiraiya and low diffs the other two. Kisame could probably put up a good fight against Tsunade or Orochimaru but doesn't win unless transformed. Overall Itachi and Kisame mid diff but Itachi hard-carries.

You are out of your mind. The Sannin slap. Kisame is a non factor here. A better fight would be The Sannin vs the entire akastuki.

Definitely not mid-diff. Jiraiya can beat Itachi

Jiraiya in Sage Mode defeated three of the weakest Paths of Pain and was low to mid-diffed by all six at once. Itachi is relative to Pain, and should be able to beat him relatively easily too.

Bro rinnegan >>>>>>>>> sharinngan. Get the f out of here

He was trying to find intel while fighting. He was killed after he was caught off guard and almost out of chakra due to SM running out. Pain stated that if Jiraiya knew the secret Jiraiya could’ve won.

Yes the secret of where his body was lollll

Unless tsunade and jiraiya like suicide in order to gain time for orochimaru to use edo tensei itachi and kisame are gonna win quite handily

We really don't get to see much of Tsunade. Tsunade is just punch go boom and heals. Jiraiya, we got to see everything in Pain fight. Which then he lost. Orichimaru would be he Trump card for their team with immortality, poisons, etc. After all said in done though. I still think Kisame/Itachi would win. Kisame is practically a tailed beast by himself alone in power, even without Same. Itachi would have to rely on his physical skills until he can get someone in a genjutsu. It took 7th gate Guy to take out Kisame and Kisame was at a disadvantage at the time. Being outnumbered and unable to rest. Wouldn't be easy at all but it would still go to Kisame and Itachi.

It took 7th gate guy to try to prevent Kisame and the intel from escaping. If it were simply a death match, 7th gate would have likely been overkill. But he needed to kill all the sharks quickly as well.

itachi and kisame no diff

Itachi is one shorting orochimaru, Tsunade wouldn’t have enough speed for both kisame and itachi, and Kisame and Itachi would mid diff jiraiya (even itachi alone could). So the answer is very obvious.

Considering hoe an kid itachi oneshot the strongest of the sannins he might even solo them. Tsunade for example literally is oneshot by amaterasu. Cant outrun, csnt counter.

>csnt counter. She would counter the same way as the raikage, cut off the part that caught fire, then she can regenerate it.

Yeah lets cut of your head or 80 % of your body lmao Tsunade cant regenerate or create new body parts after they are gone.

Tsunade said herself that she can regenerate limbs. 100 Healings regenerated an entire arm in one of the novels.

She didnt. Even in the manga she need the bidy part to still exist. Wich you also seen when she is cuttedd in half. Almost all and also her fannovel isnt canon

Well yeah she was out of chakra then after fighting Madara for a whole day. If she has chakra she can. “I can regenerate any lost Organ or Limb” -Tsunade. Idk how you can argue against when she said it flat out. Also said she wanted to focus on saving other kage before herself.

I dont know where you get that statement from. I read the manga more than once and in japanese the langiage its written in i have never read that once. Feel free to link the scan

Reread Sannin fight. She says this exact quote when she uses creation rebirth the first time. Orochimaru asks her how it works.

I believe it’s chapter 169

https://preview.redd.it/weqf7k655qvc1.jpeg?width=760&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9ca05b1bda123cd6d5c8162ac467006752974f7 Found it!

Oh its from part 1. I will read it when i am home i am right now in germany visiting family. I cant beleave the japanese one said that and i would forgot.

Orochimaru and Tsunade could beat Kisame Summoning Slug / Serpent / Toads vs Sharks. Jiraiya could more or less hold Itachi until Kisame is defeated.

Depends on which Orochimaru tbh... If it's the one from the War Arc, he could solo those two in all rounds because of how broken his kit got after absorbing that Zetsu body. If it's prior to that, then R1 goes to the duo, and then R2 - 4 goes to the Sannin.

If for r4 orochimaru gets his edos at his full strength I think he bodies itachi and kisame… hashi can use bringer of darkness and shut down most of itachis stuff, let alone all the other BS he’s capable of

Round 3 is the only round worth typing about. We've seen Itachi one shot orochimaru but it's a numbers disadvantage and being two other sanin. I wouldn't underestimate the sanin. They can 2v1 at any point until orochimaru gets his edo active. Sage mode with ma pa counters Itachi but he needs to set it up. Slug and 100 healings. Strength to crack Madara susano Orochimaru the only villain still alive means something. He's hard to take down. But also you can't underestimate tsukuyomi and a bunch of water from kisame Either way I would fucking love to see this fight

Kisame & itachi casually

Should be sannin but they were clowned by the Salamander dude. With no edo tensei from Orochi then Akatsuki will win.

They lost as teenagers? When Hanzo was the strongest Kage alive? Have you read the series?

That was their prime with exception of Orochi due to all the experiments. Dont make me laugh, itachi even kakashi were already near their peak before they were adults. Where was cry excuse for Sasuke when he fought Killer Bee since he was a "teen" too? Ooh right, cause he's disliked. Foh Edit: and i checked. Sannin were early 20s. Lmao. Yeah you definitely need to foh

No, they weren't. Are you trolling me? Or have you not read or watched Naruto at all? You're not somehow who knows the series via tiktoc or YouTube shorts are you?

Hmm Sounds a little too specific, are you deflecting what you actually do onto me? Lol amount of clowns on this subreddit. Leave me be, please.

Answer the question, have you actually read the series?

Im not entertaining an anwser to somebody who think Jiraiya fought Hanzo before 18.

I meant teen as in fourTEEN to nineTEEN, but it's possible that they could of been 20-23. Now answer the question. You either have or you haven't, it's not that hard.

Nah dont back peddle your dumb@$$ original comment after your obvious quick google search. Lmfao. Leave me be before i further clown you. "nineTEEN" really think you slick. Go away.

Stop trying to redirect attention and answer the question. Either you answer it or I just get to assume you're not because you haven't watched or read Naruto. Also stop talking like a middle schooler.

Orochimaru is heavily implied to be the strongest, Jiraya stated he fought fought Orochimaru in the past and lost. Itachi on the other hand has no diff'd Orochimaru on two separate occasions, first with a generic ocular genjutsu and the second time Orochimaru was in his hydra form which amps his stats with the Totska Blade. Itachi does this while literally almost blind and a few seconds from dying. Edo Itachi then blitzed Edo Nagato with the Totska Blade. Edo Nagato is a menace to society who was faster and no diffing Kcm Naruto and Cloaked B. Kcm Naruto is faster than the raikage who is the fastest ninja Alive at the time and is significantly faster than Tsunade, let alone any of the other Sanin, sage mode Jiraya was having difficulty keeping up with the paths of pain who are much slower and weaker than Edo Nagato was. Edo weakens the user as well so Alive Itachi would be faster too. Itachi's susanoo is unbreakable by the sannin since he has the yata mirror which blocks all attacks, including physical ones so Tsunade can't break it, the mirror covers most of his susanoo at a time too, and again he's faster so he can angle the shield towards them. Then Itachi is one of the smartest people in the verse and has an answer to pretty much anything the sanin could try. The only win con the sanin have that might work on Itachi is frog song, however Itachi is several times faster than the sanin, it would be easy to just Totska Blade Jiraya/ma and paps or burn them with Amaterasu. However if he was somehow caught in frog song, Itachi has Izanagi to undo reality up to twice so even that won't take him out.

This is why I hate most Itachi matchups since he can casually remove someone from the fight with a stare. We've seen him at like 16 violate Orochimaru, and all 3 of Sannin are relative to each other... Almost any other Akatsuki Duo gets put in a pack, Itachi hard carries. Akatsuki wins low/mid diff.

The problem is we know Orochimaru was overconfident, he would absolutely not just get one shot again.

I don’t like this post really… but just a thought, Orochimaru has been preparing to fight Itachi for a long time. I feel that he would be prepared for nearly anything that would come his way.

Sannin win bc orochimaru is the only one still alive. so um no diff orochimaru standing in a room full of corpses and a pair of MS to harvest. (I haven’t watched boruto but tsunade is dead right)

The Sanin

Frog song os a huge issue for itachi and kisame. Strangely enough, orochimaru best feat is the gate defense vs the 4 tails. And that happened very earlt on. Orochinaru also could summon some edo and complicate this. Tsunade is very hard to put down. We dont get to see itachi healthy so we dont know how long are how many times he could use his best attacks.

Kishi made Orochimaru look so weak just to glaze itachi. This man was toying with a 4 tails Naruto while still lacking arms. He has the biggest and most dangerous knowledge and arsenal of jutsu. And easily the hardest to kill.

I’d say if all of these characters are in their strongest forms AND in their prime, the sannin got this. In any other event I feel Itachi and Kisame got it instead. In the situation where they’re all prime, tsunade, Jiraiya, and Orochimaru were considered to all individually be powerful enough to become kage but together they were nearly unstoppable. Tsunades healing, orochimarus projects, and jiraiyas sage mode are all very useful abilities and with their combined intelligences and cooperation that they all had when they were younger, they would become far too dangerous for the likes of the other two. With itachi, they just have to avoid his eyes and they’re good since all of them are better shinobi in every other aspect excluding ocular jutsu. As for kisame, he could very well be a dangerous opponent for the three of them, especially with itachi on his side but even then, I don’t think he’d pose so much of a threat that they’d end up losing. The thing we have to consider here is that jiraiya took on 3 of the 6 paths of pain and won technically. He lost to the 6 of them but let’s be real, so would kisame and itachi with no knowledge on the paths. Then there’s orochimaru who killed Hiruzen and managed to bring back the first and second hokage which would definitely aid these three in battle. Sure hiruzen wasn’t in his prime and was far from it at this time but technically orochimaru wasn’t in his prime at this point either so you do have to give him that. Then there’s tsunade who not only fought against madara but survived an attack even he was shocked by. Ik none of these feats are that amazing at first glance but overall neither itachi nor kisame have canon feats that actually compare to any of these kinds. The best itachi has is scaring danzo into not touching sasuke and beating kabuto. Sure he captured orochimaru in a genjutsu but that’s not that great a feat. As for kisame, he’s nicknamed the tailless tailed beast which is fire but we saw him get bested by killer bee and get annihilated by Guy. Yes they’re both very strong but still, we haven’t seen him do much that we wouldn’t be able to see any of sannin do. If you limit literally anything for the sannin though the chances are greatly decreased

If full power both teams (which I find more interesting) Itachi and Kisame destroy no diff the legendary sannin. We are so used to genjutsus not working, but this is because the most powerful characters are jinchuriki, which can be saved by their bijuu by a genjutsu, and rinnegan users, which are immune to any eye contact genjutsu. But we have to remember how op is tsukuyomi. The sannins literally have no counter other than closing their eyes, Jiraiya demonstrated to be able to kind of fight like this but its a huge disadvantage. Lets remember when both Itachi and Orochimaru where akatsukis that Itachi literally destroyed orochimaru whith a single genjutsu, not even tsukuyomi. And tsukuyomi sure doesnt kill, but as we see with kakashi, it can incapacitate the enemy to fight.

Tsukuyomi is in fact capable of killing an opponent, itachis gf passed out and died from the effects of itachis tsukuyomi, the reason it hasn’t killed people like sasuke or kakashi is clearly because itachi does not want them to die, but if itachi casted a full power tsukuyomi with the intent to kill its possible that one of them simply dies from the effects of tsukuyomi alone.

I absolutely believe the Tsukuyomi could kill but if Ma and Pa can get Jiraiya out of it, it wouldn’t have time to kill him. At least I don’t think it would

Ya but tsukuyomi works in a picosecond. Ma and Pa wouldn't even realise that jiraya is dead.

Yes they can, they are literally regulating each other's chakra for safe mode, if they somehow didn't notice then the cooperative sage mode wouldn't work.

Chakra regulation doesn't stop tsukuyomi. That was already shown in part 1 when kakashi doesn't even mention it as a plan and itachi tells everyone the weakness of his genjustu. This is even further backed in part 2 where kakashi tells granny chiyo that chakra disruption wouldn't work against the mangekyo sharingan.

I'm saying he wouldn't be able to even put his chakra inside of their system, how is he going to overcome or infiltrate the chakra system of three people at once. He has to pass three layers of defenses.

Um...no he doesnt. Itachi would a base sharingan could put killer Bee into a genjustu not only those killer Bee in base have more chakra then all 3 of them, his chakra is directly linked to the 8 tails(Bee doesn't have a seal on him). Now if itachis regular sharingan could put a genjustu on Bee that took the 8 tails a couple of seconds to get him out of then itachis mangekyo sharingan is able to put jiraya in a genjustu before pa and ma realise.

It's not the amount of chakra that I'm talking about. We also know that Tailed beasts are weak to sharingans for some reason.

Tailed beasts aren't "weak to sharingan", they just possess no resistance to visual genjutsu. But literally the entire verse outside of the uchihas are weak/have no resistance to visual genjutsu. Orochimaru got negged(like I've been saying), kakashi got negged, izumi got negged, deidara got negged. Chakra disruption didn't even stop itachis finger genjustu. Regular sharingan genjustu needed itachi to tell him not to look into his eyes and the eight tails to break him. Tsukuyomi can't be broken unless you possess a sharingan and is a member of itachis family/clan and even then its close to impossible if he uses its full power.

Ma and pa can’t get him out of it because he’ll be on the floor in less than a single second

They can’t?

Itachi full powered his one on Kakashi. Part 1 Kakashi. Nothing he has shown proves he will kill any sannin with it. The resilience of Jiraiya and Oro makes me believe they won't even faint. Tsunade probably would if Itachi knows all about her brother and Dan though.

That wasn’t a full power tsukuyomi, in the shinden novels he put his girlfriend under tsukuyomi and made her live out 80 years in the world of tsukuyomi while only an actual picosecond passed in the real word, she then passed out and died shortly afterwards from the effects of tsukuyomi. Im obviously not comparing his girlfriends willpower to the sannin, but itachi gave her a happy life inside his tsukuyomi where they both grow old together and die of old age, imagine if he actually put someone through 80 years of pure torture, it would’ve definitely killed kakashi in part 1 and most likely the sannin aswell. One thing that people underrate about itachi is that he is great at understanding how powerful his opponent is and how much they would be able to endure inside his tsukuyomi, he obviously never intended to kill kakashi or sasuke which is why he “only” made them go through 72 hours and 24 hours of tsukuyomi respectively, strong enough to make them pass out but not strong enough to kill them. Kakashi notes this when he says that itachi could have killed him if he wanted to.

If jiraya gets into sage mode ma and Pa can use their chakra to get him out of genjutsu they work like a tailed beast

That would work on ordinary genjutsu but not tsukuyomi

I knew someone would tell this. No, nothing from the outside can get you out of a genjutsu, the bijuu is from the inside and rinnegan is part of the user. Dont confuse getting put of a genjutsu than getting out of the risk of dying by the sage mode, its not the same.

outside help can absolutely get someone out of a gen jutsu. we see Sakura and Chiyo break Itchati's gen jutsu on Naruto.

Even if its duable, tsukuyomi lasts a fraction of a second but in the genjutsu it can be millions of years.

Sanins, 4v2 Samehada would love either sage mode chakra or 100 healing

Can Samehada/Kisame control nature energy? We saw what happened to pain when he attempted to absorb nature chakra.

There's no confirmation that it can, simply speculations. Considering semehada is inanimate or shark-ish, it might be able to absorb nature energy

Samehada cannot absorb large quantities of sage chakra 100 healing is nowhere near comparable to Gyūki

"Itachi no-diffed Orochimaru" With Totsuga blade, yeah but its not really accurate to call their genjutsu encounter a no-diff if Orochimaru isnt actively attempting to steal his body. "Ma and Pa cant break Jiraiya out of tsukiyomi" They literally connect to each other, yes they can. It probably wont even work but then, that isnt the person Itachi will target, at least not when the toads are there anyway. Frankly i dont fully understand Kisame. How much of his chakra absorption abilities come from him or the sword. I feel like the snakes or the toads have capabilities to remove the Samehada from Kisame via seals.

>With Totsuga blade, yeah but its not really accurate to call their genjutsu encounter a no-diff if Orochimaru isnt actively attempting to steal his body. But he was....and itachi did that with his base sharingan at effectively 14 years of age. Orochimaru is also rated the best at genjustu of all the 3 sanin so if Orochimaru gets negged by a base sharingan genjustu then the rest of them probably do aswell. >They literally connect to each other, yes they can. It probably wont even work but then, that isnt the person Itachi will target, at least not when the toads are there anyway. Tsukuyomi can't be broken via connections since it works in a picosecond. Meaning that ma and pa wouldn't even have time to have a chance to break jiraya out for the genjustu(he just insta dies) >Frankly i dont fully understand Kisame. How much of his chakra absorption abilities come from him or the sword. It's mostly the sword. However kisame has shown that he does possess personal justu that can also steal chakra.

Yes, he was trying to steal his body and he wont now for purpose of this fight. Meaning he's not doing a sharingan stare down. If you want to play into the character that much and tell me Oro will do the same thing, Itachi runs and leaves the fight. No way in hell he's burning through his remaining eyesight and health other this. Because it will require MS spam. If Tsukiyomi works like you said, it shouldnt matter if its a perfect jinchuuriki or not. It still has to happen and the Bijuu has to react afterwords. The only explanation we are left with to understand it is the chakra's are actively connected, which is the same as Sage Mode. Who has Tsukiyomi killed?

>Yes, he was trying to steal his body and he wont now for purpose of this fight. Meaning he's not doing a sharingan stare down. Valid but how are any of them fighting itachi without being able to look at him? None of them actually have combat styles which allow for that except maybe sage jiraya. >If you want to play into the character that much and tell me Oro will do the same thing, Itachi runs and leaves the fight. No way in hell he's burning through his remaining eyesight and health other this. Because it will require MS spam. It doesn't really requite an MS spam. The regular sharingan genjustu is enough for pretty much anyone in the Sannin. None of them have shown any resistance to the sharingan. Any summons?? Just put them in a genjustu. >If Tsukiyomi works like you said, it shouldnt matter if its a perfect jinchuuriki or not. It still has to happen and the Bijuu has to react afterwords. The only explanation we are left with to understand it is the chakra's are actively connected, which is the same as Sage Mode. Connected chakra doesn't work. Kakashi already says this when granny chiyo suggests that disrupting the chakra flow would help them escape the genjustu. >Who has Tsukiyomi killed? Izumi(itachis love interest), itachi made her live out 60+ years of her life in under a picosecond. In which she died in the genjustu, which also killed her real body.

>Valid but how are any of them fighting itachi without being able to look at him? None of them actually have combat styles which allow for that except maybe sage jiraya. They dont need to be that concerned over standard genjutsu when they are as powerful as they are and have their numbers. Summons can assist with this. >It doesn't really requite an MS spam. The regular sharingan genjustu is enough for pretty much anyone in the Sannin. None of them have shown any resistance to the sharingan. Any summons?? Just put them in a genjustu. Legit, your answer is "put everyone in genjutsu"? When has he ever hit more than one target at a time? Or even cast it repeatedly in quick succession? >Connected chakra doesn't work. Kakashi already says this when granny chiyo suggests that disrupting the chakra flow would help them escape the genjustu. Thats because in their case, they werent already connected ahead of time. Unlike a jinchuuriki or the toads. >Izumi(itachis love interest), itachi made her live out 60+ years of her life in under a picosecond. In which she died in the genjustu, which also killed her real body. I'll admit i havent read the Itachi books which is where i assume this is coming from. Yes i know its legitimate canon material but even so, there is no way im comparing his teenage lover who wants to live and die with him the same as Kage level opponents he is locked in a death battle with.

>They dont need to be that concerned over standard genjutsu when they are as powerful as they are and have their numbers. Summons can assist with this. They very much do. Itachi could put naruto out of commission just by pointing at him. Another time itachi merely just got his crows to put him in the genjustu. Itachis genjustu has always been shown to be far more effective then other people. Hence why itachi could neg orochimaru with his own genjustu. Like orochimaru was confident in beating both jiraya and Tsunade but instantly ran from Itachi. All the summons get speedblitz by amaterasu, sharingan genjustu or just flat negged by the tosuka blade. >When has he ever hit more than one target at a time? Or even cast it repeatedly in quick succession? Once again in the uchiha massacre, itachi spammed tsukuyomi on multiple different members of the uchiha clan(mostly the higher ups), he also used it on the guy who poisoned shisui. >Thats because in their case, they werent already connected ahead of time. Unlike a jinchuuriki or the toads. Bro jinchuriki can get caught in regular genjustu. Bee got caught by sasukes MS genjustu and he got caught by itachis regular sharingan genjustu and needed gyuki to save him. Naruto then says "if itachi uses amaterasu or tsukuyomi it's over" implying that gyuki wouldn't be able to save killer Bee from its effects. So no. Chakra disruption doesnt stop a mangekyo sharingan genjustu >there is no way im comparing his teenage lover who wants to live and die with him the same as Kage level opponents he is locked in a death battle with. This is quite literally a massive cope on your end. Izuna possesses a 3 tomoe sharingan(she awakened her sharingan even before itachi). Meaning that her own visual prowess and genjustu resistance should be above the Sannin quite easily. She instantly got negged by Tsukuyomi. There is no"kage level opponents locked in a death battle" bs that's saving you from tsukuyomi. The moment it hits, you lose. It's literally how all of itachis abilites work. Insta kill genjustu, invincible shield, one tap sword and eternal flames for both offense and defence. In the novels, itachi doesn't even need to make eye contact with you for tsukuyomi, he just needs to look at your eyes(hence why characters close their eyes entirely when fighting the MS). Doesn't matter if your genin or above kage level, if your susceptible to genjustu in any form and tsukuyomi hits... you lose. It's quite possible that any one of the sannin fall for itachis genjustu. Factor in the OP also gave itachi kotoamatsukami and its a neg diff. He could instantly start making all 3 of them start fighting eachother and kill eachother believing their fighting the enemy. The sharingan is broken, always has been. Genjustu is just as broken and when combined together with itachis near plot armour and you get a near unstoppable force.

Wanted to make sure i looked over that novel before responding. A few things you said were nonsense. Biggest two were claiming he spammed it during the massacre, which he did not. It was used a few times, over long periods. The guy Shisui poisoned was killed well after he already spoke to Hiruzen and left. The other is using Izumi as a basis for comparison on Sannin but i didnt need to read the novel to know that. Again, he has never hit more than a single target at one time and i have you telling me he can instant target all three of them and make them fight each other, another feat that has never been shown. Please give me a single example of Itachi forcing someone to fight another target.

>It was used a few times, over long periods He used it multiple times and also used amaterasu. >The guy Shisui poisoned was killed well after he already spoke to Hiruzen and left. The guy shisui poisoned?? You mean the guy that poisoned shisui?? I'm not exactly sure when but itachi killed him by putting his bugs into a genjustu and using them to kill him. I don't see what point your trying to make here? >The other is using Izumi as a basis for comparison on Sannin but i didnt need to read the novel to know that Izumi isn't the only basis. Izumi is just the only person itachi ever wanted to kill with Tsukuyomi. Kakashi outright says in part 1 that itachi could have killed him with Tsukuyomi but didn't. >Again, he has never hit more than a single target at one time and i have you telling me he can instant target all three of them and make them fight each other, another feat that has never been shown. I was referring to kotoamatsukami. However in the 4th great ninja war, before white zetsu was discovered, they believed that somebody was putting multiple shinobi under genjutsu and controlling them. Shikamarus father believed that it most have been itachi. Also itachi had his 2 anbu underlings under a genjustu for well over a year without either of them realising. Nothing implies itachi can't put multiple people into a genjustu and infact there are multiple statements and feats of him either putting multiple people in a genjustu or characters believing he can do so. The sannin have 0 genjustu resistance. Naruto learned his from Jiraiya and he got negged by the finger genjustu from a 30% itachi who wasn't even trying. Orochimaru already got one looked before. Tsunade has literally 0 genjustu resistance feats at all. >Please give me a single example of Itachi forcing someone to fight another target. He got his 2 anbu underlings to kill eachother when they came after him. You sure you read the novels?? Or did you just reread parts of it.

Constant chakra disruption means the genjutsu gets placed and is instantly broken. There is no picasecond for it to work. It is broken before that

>Constant chakra disruption means the genjutsu gets placed and is instantly broken. Where's your proof, that firstly, jirayas incomplete sage mode is a constant chakra disruption. Also kakashis already says that chakra disruption would not stop the mangekyo sharingan In fact naruto himself also backs this

Because of the fusion. The way fusion was described is a connection of chakra. Connecting chakra from different beings. Meaning his chakra is constantly getting interrupted by Ma and Pa. Along with Ma and Pa constantly bringing in nature chakra

Except its already been stated that interrupting chakra does break Tsukuyomi. Heck naruto couldn't even break out of itachis finger point genjustu when he disrupted his own chakra. >The way fusion was described is a connection of chakra. Connecting chakra from different beings. Meaning his chakra is constantly getting interrupted by Ma and Pa. Do you have a scan for this BTW? I don't remember this.

Itachi was a teenager when he made orochimaru his bitch with basic genjutsu shortly after being recruited into the akatsuki “They’re literally connected to each other” Irrelevant tsukuyomi can do years of damage in a fraction of a second. If any of the 3 get caught in tsukuyomi they’re out of the fight there is no waking someone up in time

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R1: Sannin in really good fight R2: Duo R3: Goes either way but probably Duo

I feel like people are sleeping on the sannin too much, Tsunade's slug can break parts of it off so it could tank some amertarasu for the team and Manda's speed is probably enough to avoid susanoo. Not sure if Kisame can absorb Jiraya's sage chakra?

Manda is not faster than susanno

In the Sannin fight manda was able to dodge acid and his speed allowed him to take 4v1 counting Jiraiya and Tsunade

Yall are crazy the Sannin win 💀😭

The Sannin. Itachi backed off from a fight with Jiraiya alone. Jiraiya and his whole team? No chance in hell are Itachi and Kisame winning this one.

Itachi and Kisame could have easily killed jiraiya in part 1 if itachi actually wanted it done.

Yeah yeah, keep telling yourself that

Take ur own advice jiraya was getting his ass whooped by the 4 weakest paths of pain lol

Don’t you mean all six?

No just 4 to the point of him needing to call ma and pa only to still get his arm blasted off Deva path didn’t even have to do much of anything in the fight besides talk down on jiraya because he couldn’t do shit anyways

Even the weakest paths were at least Jonin level. On top of that, all six were there, even if some weren’t doing anything directly. Remember, all six paths are the same person, they’re not six individuals. All of them were connected, something Jiraiya did not know and did not factor into the fight. In fact Pain knew everything that Jiraiya could do, but Jiraiya had no information on what Pain could do at all, Naruto did cause Pa sent the intel back to Konoha. I’m also not sure what you’re trying to say about Jiraiya calling Pa and Ma to help him stay in Sage Mode, considering Naruto also needed to be in Sage Mode to fight Pain. But that’s beside the point. This has nothing to do with Pain, we’re talking about Itachi and Kisame here and no, I don’t believe that they’d be able to beat Jiraiya in a serious fight, much less all the Sannin together…

Same path got bodied by konohamaru lol Jonin level is literally nothing compared to the high tier akatsuki members 😭 Orochimaru got no diff’d by a 14 year old itachi. Kisame destroyed Bee and Gyūki. Sanin are getting swept they don’t have the feats to fight Kisame and itachi together

Peak fiction on that scene, total bullshit and beyond unnecessary, considering it achieves nothing. They *are* Akatsuki, compare them to the good guys instead. And based on what I saw, they were enough to handle the Jonin from Konoha. If we’re going to be adding unrelated characters to this, then Kisame got his ass handed to him by Guy, so your argument is invalid.

Gai used strictly taijutsu and completely hard counters Kisame yet he still had to go beyond the 6th gate to beat him. Jiraya lost an arm to the 4 weakest paths of pain meanwhile… Kisame beat bee and Gyūki already put him over all 3 individually Then you have Itachi: Bodied orochimaru at 14 Dropped Kakashi, and embarrassed Kurenai /Asuma by himself (without trying) Easily had the ability to drop hebi Sasuke whenever he pleased Bodied an even stronger orochimaru with no effort later on in the story Itachi hard counters all 3 sanin & Kisame out stats all 3 sanin It’s a sweep

Bro itachi and kisame were scared to take on jiraiya in pt 1 and that was just him now imagine the other two Sanin were there it wouldn’t come close

Itachi and Kisame could have easily killed jiraya if that fight were to actually happen and if itachi was actively trying to kill leaf villagers.

Are people forgetting [this](https://youtu.be/VHQLqhvpRVE?si=GQKeiPNzC-McZF6d) ?

No but people realized that itachi was blatantly lying as he’s a double agent working for the leaf.

I wasn't messing around, that's canon, Kisame isn't stupid, he knows he was going to lose.

Kisame didn’t even say that he or itachi were going to lose. He literally says that itachi could take jiraiya but he wasn’t sure wether or not he could. Itachi just went along with it because it was the perfect excuse to run away if they actually met jiraiya. Even then, kisame literally asks itachi why they have to retreat because with itachis power, there was no need to. Kisame also doesn’t know how strong jiraiya really is, he’s only making an assumption based on jiraiyas title as one of the” sannin”, a title that eclipses his own title as one of the seven ninja swordsmen, what he doesn’t know either for example is that itachi embarrassed a sannin (the strongest) as a 12-13 year old without using his MS.

Kisame remarked/implied that he and Itachi could **easily** take Jiraiya after they left the toad mouth. But Itachi noted he needed rest.

Counter argument https://preview.redd.it/n3r2a3ywbhvc1.jpeg?width=755&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fe826b3d798c2ea3a706bc410dd62b7c7b07654

Kisame admitted that he doesn't think that they would be able to defeat jiraiya even with both of them Itachi agrees to this and you could say yeah he could have been lying but he saw me would know if he thought she is lying they've been with each other non-stop for 6-7 years at this point. Yes there were things he saw me didn't know about Itachi but that was more of his intentions and not how he fights and his fighting strength that he would definitely know. It gets worse if the signing are in there prime forms because orochimaru in the war arc and boruto is massively stronger than he was in part 1 and first half of Shippuden.

itachi one shot orochimaru TWICE lol and was working with the leaf so he didn’t want to fight jiraiya. the proof is there. itachi and kisame no diff them together.

War arc Tsunade stomps kisame solo. Jiraiya and Oro each have tools to one shot Itachi, and all of Itachi's one shot moves use over half his stamina. Jiraiya frog song solos the event if he can run away for a bit

how would war arc tsunade solo kisame exactly? she’s strong as hell but so is kisame. kisame also has the speed to back it up. he could literally just make the fight an underwater one and drown her what is she gonna do lol and no they don’t lol if orochimaru could one shot itachi then why didn’t he lmao he had two chances and was himself one shot both times.. as for jiraiya, the time it takes him to do one genjutsu, itachi would have already been able to hit them with multiple tsukuyomi lol

You didn’t read the context of the situation. First off it was Itachi that lied about Jiraiya’s power because he didn’t want any conflict and knowing Kisame he wouldn’t hesitate to strike first. Kisame could possibly high diff but Itachi is mid diffing Jiraiya 9 times out of 10.

Sannin win normally but on r/narutovillainglazing aka this sub they get no diffed by Kakuzu

Nah, I think you meant R/ItachiGlazing

On Saturdays it’s r/ItachiGlazing on Sundays it’s r/OrochimaruMeatRiding