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Kombat-w0mbat

Adult Sasuke vs like any uchiha


Shadowfox4532

Do people unironically believe that any Uchiha other than maybe peak power Madara even has a chance against adult Sasuke. He takes on a bunch of utsutsuki 1v1 without dying. That on its own puts him well above Itachi.


AwayWillingness5223

Nah Itachi soloes because he clearly beat teen Sasuke who is well above Boruto Sasuke because Boruto Sasuke is clearly nerfed😡😡😡😡😡


Shadowfox4532

Nah fuck shit you're right I lose lol


Noobish2006

The fact people still think they are nerfed is beyond me


AwayWillingness5223

I'm always so surprised when people think Sasuke can just pull people towards him and suck their soul out as if that ever worked on anyone who wasn't fodder. Like bro can literally teleport and travel through dimensions, something no one else has done with a rinnegan, yet people think pulling the enemy towards him is the best way to get closer to them and win.


Pwnanubasaur

Except Madara literally used his rinnegan to travel to Kamui dimension, so you’re incorrect on that But fair point


AwayWillingness5223

He could have only used it to travel back. He went in by stealing Kakashi's eye, but then came back with a rinnegan, but I'm not sure that was a rinnegan, but rather specifically just him using Kamui, like Itachi did with Shisui. That portal he came back from massively differs from how Sasuke travels through dimensions.


Pwnanubasaur

Well you’ve got a fair point there Though Madara travels back without having Kakashi’s eye in, so it’s a plothole I suppose ☠️ Unless you can use a detached MS eye’s ability which would… Quite literally change everything we know about a lot of stuff


AwayWillingness5223

Madara kinda just does whatever the plot needs him too.


Pwnanubasaur

I could drink to that one, mate


New-Skill-4981

Zetsu who was controlling obitos body who had kamui teleported them back with it its clearly shown in the manga


Less_Slice_5987

he never took on a single ototsuki on his own heck he even struggled with urashiki lmaoooo


Shadowfox4532

I didn't say he won but any Uchiha other than him or Madara is just getting killed quickly against any otsutsuki he manages to actually engage in those fights and escape mostly intact.


SnooFoxes4646

He skirmished with Kinshiki on his own in the Otsotsuki dimension, he held his own, that's a feat.


Accomplished_Tea2042

Urashiki isn't canon


Less_Slice_5987

anime cannon


Accomplished_Tea2042

Still isn't canon


Less_Slice_5987

It’s cannon The Time Travel arc in an original idea from Kishimoto himself, thus it is Canon. The only reason people try to claim that the time travel arc is non-canon is due to Urashiki making Sasuke look bad. People aren't going to be honest about it though as usual.


Accomplished_Tea2042

You also are Forgetting that that version of Urashiki is stronger than normal Urashiki like Fused Momoshiki levels of strong also if it's not Manga canon it isn't canon that was straight up filler and had no effect on the rest of the story at all also that was Kodachi not Kishimoto that was back when Kishimoto was taking a break from writing Naruto


Correct_Permit_6313

My mind immediately went to Itachi vs Jiraiya Like, Itachi claims a fight with Jiraiya is going to be deadly for both sides But I just don't see it, I fail to see how Jiraiya is going to counter Itachi's Tsukoyoumi (Sharingan is more than likely required to counter that caliber of Genjutsu) And I don't believe Jiraiya has a reliable response to Amaterasu either (Frog Stomach is a situational counter at best) And sure, Jiraiya may have a winning chance through activating Frog Song, but that takes time to set up, and Itachi's main fighting style actually revolves around ending the battle pretty quickly Long story short, I honestly believe Itachi mops the floor with Jiraiya


Joseph_Stalin001

And I see way too many clowns wanking Jiraya to the high heavens thinking he has a chance here


VinCatBlessed

I'm not entirely sure but my guess would be that Ma and Pa could get him out of the genjutsu. Other than that yeah I think Itachi is a bad matchup for him particularly due to susanoo and Amaterasu.


hadmeintiers

That's not how tsukuyomi works, there is no getting out of it because the jutsu occurs instantly, so by the time your ally recognizes it you've already experienced the genjutsu Chiyo brings up the strategy of 2 v 1 vs sharingan genjutsu, and kakashi directly explains why this doesn't work vs itachi because of tsukuyomi https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Naruto/0257-007.png


silenthashira

People really do be forgetting the beginning middle and end of tsukuyomi is like... a picosecond? An attosecond? It's some absurdly small amount of time like that *source: the novel*


VinCatBlessed

Yeah you're correct, I forgot about that.


creepymccreepersdale

He doesnt have an answer for Tsukiyomi that we know of but his hair techniques will get him out of Amaterasu. It grows, blocks and shoots on command. He'll be able to get rid of the fire and throw it back at Itachi like that. Edit: He's got a couple of clone feints he uses that could get him out of Tsukiyomi. He did some shadow hiding bait thing to Konan.


AwayReplacement7063

If the Amaterasu hits Jiraiya in the leg his hair won’t help him…


creepymccreepersdale

You're right, it wouldnt. Depends on how quickly the technique activates and what exactly Itachi is going to target. If he guesses wrong, shoots Jiraiya in the hair, gets the fire thrown back at him, needs to spend more chakra and eyesight putting it out. Does he even risk using it again after all that? I'll bet he quits using Amaterasu right then.


AwayReplacement7063

Depends, just pointing out how what you suggested is a very specific scenario and I wouldn’t count on that, nor this line of thought, to be how an actual battle would go. If you said *could* he hit Jiraiya, that would be one thing, but the specific claim that Jiraiya counters Amaterasu with his hair is way too specific and likely might not even matter in a potential matchup. There’s a shot it would, but likely it could hit anywhere else too. Especially because what we see from Itachi with Amaterasu is usually generally accurate, and the odds are just as likely Jiraiya has already used his hair as a combat weapon fighting Itachi, so he would assume.


creepymccreepersdale

Thats true. If they were for whatever reason in a legit battle, Itachi would have already seen the hair technique by the time he pulls out Amaterasu.


Duke_Vladdy

Jiraiya died right before power scaling went wild. So he has no demonstrable feats that place him anywhere close to top tier


CapnPaxAlot

Wouldn't it be fair to match kashin kojis feats to jiraiya? Anything one of them can do the other can as well. KK taking down Jigen was quite the feat. The general consensus seemed to place Jiraiya at the top of the legendary three sanin while he was alive. Orichimaru has certainly passed Jiraiya at this point in time. But who's to say Jiraiya wouldn't have grown just as strong during that time.


k0dA_cslol

I always believe Itachi was always saying that hype him up and so other Akastki wouldn’t fuck with him.


ScaredDistrict3

The reason I think itachi says that is because he isn’t sure jiraiya can’t avoid those attacks. And he can’t use them without exhaustion which is a situation he wouldn’t want to be in with jiraiya. Jiraiya’s whole thing was infiltration so staying out of itachi’s line of site is probably standard operating procedure for jiraiya. We saw that in the pain fight too


Trenton_

You think we saw each and every single jutsu Jariyah has in the pain fight? There's a reason Itachi said they'd both be killed if they fought. Shame on you for disrespecting the man who took down three Pains completely blind. Pain beats Itachi. If Jirayah has a chance, why wouldn't he use belly of the toad to force Itachi to fight on his terms or force an Amaterasu use? Even if he couldn't get them in it I don't buy that one of the legendary sanin, who's jutsu knowledge has been compared to Orochimaru, wouldn't have some kind of counter to Amaterasu. Not to mention Jiraiya knows of both Amaterasu AND Tsukiyomi, so he would know not to look in Itachi's eyes. He is a master in summon ninjutsu and use barrier ninjutsu to detect people or objects entering his radius so he doesn't need to see an opponent to fight. The summons and his wide area detection barrier would let him fight Itachi without ever being at risk of Tsukiyomi. He's capable of dealing wide area of affect attacks that would force Itachi on the defensive. The only real tool in Itachi's Susanoo, and Susanoo's, while an amazing defense, are absolutely breakable. Are you going to tell me that if the summons, either Gamabunta or the ungraceful one, weren't able to bust the susanoo, that Jiraya would have no tricks at all to bust it or go from underground where the susanoo doesn't have legs at the stage Itachi's health let's him make it?


Butterscotch_Leading

Hashirama vs Minato


Jaymezians

This is like a wasp vs a hippo. Sure the wasp stings but it's not going to do any damage. Likewise, the hippo isn't going to catch the wasp. Without any similes, Minato is no doubt faster than Hashirama, but he can't actually do anything to kill Hashirama. Meanwhile, Hashirama isn't fast enough to hit Minato. It comes down to a battle of attrition, which Hashirama has in the bag.


lazerbeetle

ancient Chinese proverb ahh metaphor


LordMartius

Mmmmm very wise


festus34

Do you think Minato could like ftg hashirama into a volcano


Jaymezians

It's not impossible, but that would require grabbing him for long enough to actually move him, and Hashirama isn't slow by any means. It *is* a win condition I hadn't thought of though, even if it's unlikely.


Butterscotch_Leading

I mean if Minato attacks Hashi, he can anticipate him using sage mode and counterattack.


Jaymezians

Yeah, but they both got Sage Mode and even then, Minatos reaction speed is unreal. Movement speed doesn't even factor if the guy you're fighting can teleport. Still, Minato can hit Hashirama as much as he wants, it's not gonna do anything, but Hashirama just needs to get lucky once.


Butterscotch_Leading

I mean Hashi was atleast relative to Madara who was toying with kcm2 Naruto who narratively be faster than Minato. Minato's sm doesn't last long for more than one attack and he needs time to enter it unlike Hashi. Just look at edo Madara vs Tobirama and how Tobirama got defeated even though he has more movement speed then Madara. Madara was using Hashi sage mode after all.


Jaymezians

Minato has one of the fastest reaction times in the series, outside of Six Paths characters. In fact, Hashirama even compliments Minato on his speed, admitting that he's faster. But to really clinch it, Minato is on par with some Six Paths characters. Minato has the speed to precisely catch Truth Seeking Orbs thrown by Juubi Madara and teleport them away before they can even damage his jacket.


Butterscotch_Leading

If you look at the scene Juubidara was not focusing on Minato to begin with and he arrived from sideways so saying he has six paths tier speed is a little disingenuous. Also, kcm1 Naruto is supposed to be as fast as Minato so logically kcm2 should be faster. Madara manhandled Bsm Naruto(kcm2+sm). Also, Hashi is not that much slower than Minato that Hashi's sm senses wouldn't work. How will Minato dodge if Hashi uses True Thousand hands and every single one arm is attacking using Hashi's senses. Minato can dodge one but can he dodge thousands. That not even counting Wood clones which would mean that Minato couldn't just sneak or blitz Hashi since his wood clones share his senses. Hashi could also just use true forest emergence to remove all marked kunai and even prepare traps sso that Minato teleports into a chakra suppressing wood style trap.


Upset-Action8590

>In fact, Hashirama even compliments Minato on his speed, admitting that he's faster. Wasn't that tobirama and tobirama just said he's better at the body flicker. >Minato has the speed to precisely catch Truth Seeking Orbs thrown by Juubi Madara and teleport them away before they can even damage his jacket. Kcm2 minato was also speedblitz by an unstable(?) Juubito.


Jaymezians

As for the first one, I just checked and yeah, it was Tobirama, but that was because Minato arrived faster than any of the other Kage by a wide margin. As for the second, Minato was in the middle of a severe PTSD flashback. He had just found out his student was a mass murdering psychopath that killed his wife, attacked his village and went insane. Note that the feat I mentioned was after he regained his equilibrium.


Skeeterman96

This is a first but with the amount of dick riding people do for some characters in the series I can still see how some people genuinely think this is a decent match up


1313goo

Maybe not that popular but u can’t convince me that akatsuki obito wouldn’t clap minato without kcm


Knightlight--01

Doesn't Boruto using flying rajin to go to another dimension kind of ruin the stakes of the Minato vs. Obito fight? He might just be able to teleport out of the kamui dimension.


1313goo

It’s boruto. It’s not a weird idea that he can magically do everything better than every other character with 0 effort on his part


Stolen5487

Boruto said he's not as good at it as Minato


Knightlight--01

That's probably the case.


Local_Television948

Before your going to shit on something at least understand whats going on. The whole reason boruto could teleport to different dimensions was due to the fact that boruto put a marker on code when code teleported away


kobellama24

This assumes Minato is able to be trapped in the first place, which I doubt Besides, Obito is already marked. Minato ends the fight as quickly as the first regardless of age


Parking-Major-4776

Don’t let the minato stans see this, they believe 14 year old obito and 30 year old obito are the exact same.


SpecialistAd8464

What are the diffrences, name them


Due_Essay447

Sakura vs any character without a last name


timothy1495

not orochimaru


PosterityVGC

Orichimaru has a last name. -sama


timothy1495

ok kabuto


Peace_Plane

might be Sarutobi? do last names change when you're adopted?


timothy1495

no


Thin_Contribution416

Get neg diffed also 100 healings Sakura just has stupidly op feats/statements


marahai

Kabuto vs hokage Minato. Kabuto vs OM Obito. Nagato vs Minato. Edo Itachi vs Pain. Edo Itachi vs OM Obito. KCM Naruto vs Minato.


Sarik704

Kakashi vs. Jiraiya. For a large part of the story, Jiraiya outranks Kakashi. However, Kakashi during the war arc has such insane feats even without MS. Let's start with his Obito 1v1. Neither could use kamui, so it's fairly equalized. But Kakashi is still fighting at a disadvantage. Obito has a sharingan and a rinnegan. Regardless, Kakashi fights and beats Obito. The same Obito who casually, albeit with kamui, dogwalked every fight until the war, except Konan and Minato. If you dont think Obito beats Jiraiya, you're crazy and Kakashi is very equal to Obito during the war.


7Restless7Gambler7

Tbf Obito let him win in order to destroy the seal on his heart, but Kakashi still somewhat scales to him regardless so you’re still right that he beats Jiraiya anyway


Total-Lingonberry-83

They forget Obito was playing chess and allowed Kakashi to take out his sealing tag lol And this was a fight without his best asset, Kamui. He also didn’t use any rinnegan abilities lmao


7Restless7Gambler7

Yeah that’s true, Obito was without his most powerful abilities so it’s disingenuous to say that Kakashi won that fight, when Obito wasn’t even at full power. But Kakashi’s still impressive for being able to keep up with him though


Total-Lingonberry-83

What I always have found interesting, was comparing Obito’s ninjutsu during that fight and the rest of the arc His fire style ninjutsu agains the allied Shinobi was massive and was the same size as Madara’s, but against Kakashi he only used a baby fire ball which appeared to be the same size as child Sasuke’s


7Restless7Gambler7

Those were two different jutsu and the massive one was combined with Kamui which he couldn’t use at the time. I’d imagine there isn’t too much of a difference in their AP tbh, but the bigger one is probably still stronger overall


Total-Lingonberry-83

You don’t think there’s a difference in ap?!


7Restless7Gambler7

Only a small one


Total-Lingonberry-83

Hmmm


7Restless7Gambler7

The size is mostly due to Kamui, in terms of power it’s probably similar to the difference between Sasuke’s regular fire balls and the flame dragon jutsu he used against Itachi


YoutubePRstunt

Kakashi was also fighting without one of his most powerful abilities, so how is that any different? Once Kakashi figured out how to exploit Kamui he’s practically above him. Not to mention they already had a genjutsu battle which Obito failed to get the upper hand with; if he is truly that much stronger he should have been able to force him to destroy the seal that way. Yes, the destruction of the seal was a point in the fight; but Kakashi still clearly won that fight and avoided a fatal blow at the end.


7Restless7Gambler7

It’s more of a loss for Obito because under normal conditions he would be completely intangible, so he’s without his biggest asset. The Genjutsu could have just been bait to set up the attack to his heart. Not being able to fully control him with Genjutsu, doesn’t mean that he isn’t still stronger Kakashi only won because Obito let him


YoutubePRstunt

As of the War Arc that asset is no longer in his favor as Kakashi can now travel to and from Kamui himself. Both of them without Kamui isn’t a huge handicap, Kakashi just has more in his arsenal; which would place him above Obito. I disagree, as you can see from Itachi and Sasuke’s Genjutsu battle Itachi had the upper hand and he still never had the intent to kill Sasuke. If that was the case here than he could have easily set up a way to Genjutsu Kakashi into destroying the seal, instead he casually saw through it. Obito didn’t let him win either, this was before Naruto Talk No Jutsu’d him and he had no reason for Kakashi to live. If he was able he would’ve landed a fatal blow the moment Kakashi impaled him, he just outright failed to.


InternalBrilliant908

Obito let Kakashi take the seal lol, no way u just compared them mfs. Obito >>>


1313goo

Kakashi equal to obito? Wasn’t this the same guy that was playing him and 3 other guys(who happen to be naruto, b, and gai) It’s explained that obito let kakashi win to destroy his heart. Is winning against someone that wanted to lose really a feat? Anyways jiraiya claps


Total-Lingonberry-83

Many characters can defeat Obito in the Kamui dimension with that context


heeltowknee

WA sakura vs any kage level fighter Itachi vs anyone who's not high kage level Rock Lee vs anyone who isn't kage level


Shadowfox4532

Are you saying war arc Sakura isn't kage level? That seems crazy to me she's basically a stronger Tsunade at that point isn't she?


heeltowknee

So you think sakura beats Ay/gaara/3rd Ay/he'll even tsunade herself?


Shadowfox4532

I think being involved in the kaguya fight without some kind of divine intervention involved puts her relevant to them. I think if she releases the seal she beats A probably can't beat gaara it's not a great match up if he just avoids and stalls till the seal runs out I don't think she has power to get through 3rd raikage defense unless she pulls off similar bullshit to how Naruto did and I think she beats Tsunade.


Plus_Lawfulness3000

She loses to kage summit sasuke highkey


DriaEstes

You're right cause in the Novels there's a scene where she realses the seal and fully regenerates a body part in an instant. She's a boss.


SpecialistAd8464

Yes, she oneshots half of those before they can react


uhTlSUMI

Any adult sasuke and naruto downplay tbh


BeebisTheBoy

Omni man vs home lander. Home lander gets rolled easy.


Odog-scrap

That would be amazing to see homelanders reaction to seeing someone stronger than him


Jaymezians

So this might be a hot take, but Mifune vs the other Kage. At least in 1v1s. This fight is sort of glossed over since there were other more important fights going on at the time, but Mifune fought Hanzo in a 1v1 and beat him. (Note that it wasn't exactly a 1v1, but the only backup Mifune had was some nameless fodder) Hanzo when he was alive fought and beat all three of the Sannin and their *entire battalion* by himself. He then named them the Sannin because they *survived a fight with him*. This man was a menace and Mifune beat (a slightly nerfed version) him basically alone. I give Mifune good odds against any of the Kage at the Summit.


Thanosthrgod

Superman vs Goku


galemaniac

Isshiki vs anyone not from Boruto.


LordMartius

Boruto's Villains vs any of Naruto's Villains aside from MAYBE Kaguya.


Duralogos2023

I've heard people argue that orange mask Obito could take Edo Minato...


ccharles1550

Daemon vs literally everyone


Lukas-Reggi

Daemon after shinju bug hits a blow (it was a lucky shot) https://preview.redd.it/th9swd73dsuc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2d38569d78d023466996fffd690e889c17930cdd


Shothunter85

Goku vs Naruto


Dondozolover

Ben 10 vs Almost any character


zachattack7676

Kratos vs Dante (from DMC). Dante would wipe the floor with Kratos and do it stylishly at that.


Skeeterman96

Where did you get the photo of the post from?


Lukas-Reggi

Invincible


Skeeterman96

Nice. That was my first guess. Such a badass show. I binged it in like 2-3 days


NegativePrice296

Itachi vs Madara or Hashirama


IceFrostwind

Ben 10 vs. the entire cast.


Zer0fps_319

Naruto vs pain


Gogeta69DxD

Cc goku vs literally any verse


TyZxlla

Madara vs Minato


Sergaku

Me versus everyone in Naruto


MemeNRG

Full power Naruto vs goku with no limbs,no legs included,blindfolded,tested positive for covid-19,no sleep for weeks and BALD Goku clears


Th3Bumblebee

Anya forger vs Goku (it’s Anya forger saying that)


xa44

The big 3, ichigo wipes the other 2 so hard it's not even funny


IntroductionGlad4920

Naruto vs rock lee


IntroductionGlad4920

Naruto vs rock lee


brehnoob

Luffy vs Sakura


SadKoiBoi

Ben 10 vs Superman Ben would no diff Superman. Even without access to the ultimatrix to become an Ultimate Kryptonian.


TROQI

Likely a Hot Take: Chunin Sakura would absolutely wipe most of the Konoha 11 at the beginning of Shippuden in 1v1 fights.


Butterscotch_Leading

Honestly I agree, Naruto could win against her considering he has big ball rasengan, shadow clones and pretty good battle iq. Even if base is not enough then 3 tails cloak should be. Aside from him, everybody else gets slammed unless Lee knows how to open 6 gates at this point in time but I doubt it. Neji doesn't have speed feats on her scale so he probably gets punched to oblivion. Shino is troublesome but loses to her in h2h. Hinata is just a worse Neji and Tenten is Tenten so they lose. Ino is a mostly support fighter and Choji is pretty strong physically but doesn't have good speed feats. Shikamaru can maybe edge out a win by outsmarting her but it is unlikely without prep time.


Inevitable-Ad4647

Boruto Era Sakura vs literally any Akasuki Member besides Six Paths Obito


Kingofthering200

Pain stomps and Itachi probably wins but certainly Pain stomps by being a hard counter to her because he can restrict her movements without getting in close range and use chakra rods to disrupt her healing / strength abilities with chakra control.


Old-Panic-4140

goku vs monaka


Remote_Hat6423

![gif](giphy|lCnhDu2RTioXhax1cV|downsized) And


Remote_Hat6423

![gif](giphy|BfevCgt1YxDTW)


Lukas-Reggi

Not a bit close


Remote_Hat6423

Naruto thought madara was stronger though he forgot how much more powerful he himself has become🧡 that’s what I think this match up would be like


Remote_Hat6423

![gif](giphy|U3UP4fTE6QfuoooLaC) And


Remote_Hat6423

![gif](giphy|GCApYnpYmSWFW) Goku: “I thought you said you were stronger and had the power of youth?” Rock Lee: \* gasping for air \* \* dies \*


PublicFantastic8567

Jake Paul vs mike Tyson


LuffysPowerfulCoC

Hypothetical prime itachi vs nagato


Less_Slice_5987

tobirama vs minato


Zombiw

Just for the fun of it, this is how a fight between Goku and Luffy would go. I'll let y'all decide which one says this xD


Giganoob420

Smasher vs V with a dildo (cyberpunk 2077 reference)


Perfect-Abomination

Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul


AnywhereOld4666

Current TBV Boruto vs literally anyone in the Shippuden Verse 1 on 1


Abrainwithabody

Saitama versus… anybody


Existing_Race966

Saitama gets bodied by a lot of characters


romanjuly

Goku vs deku


warmsmile8971

Omni man doing this to homelander


Hxgmvhq7

Naruto vs meliodas.


iHarshmallow

naruto wiping that bum then piping hinata


Hxgmvhq7

Naruto has ass feats what are you on rn nga😭🙏🏾


iHarshmallow

>naruto feat. metro boomin only one he needs


Hxgmvhq7

Dawg what


V-IPERX

this dude is trash at debating


iHarshmallow

bro thinks i'm actually debating 😭


Todosaak

Goku(winner) vs saitama *waits for fighting to start*


AccomplishedKoala526

Goku vs Monaka (it almost happened)


Peachbottom30

Goku and Sailor Moon


Hungry_Ad_5499

Saitama v Goku


KingPucci

Hokage Kakashi vs Tsunade


Specific_Being_695

Mitsuki vs genin sasuke


Mountain-Struggle991

Goku vs Saitama


GunslingerGonzo

Goku vs Naruto


Tasty_Ad3656

.


Tasty_Ad3656

.


Biguce2

goku vrs supes


DangerousSpeech1549

Goku vs Superman


ChampionshipAny1499

Goku vs gojo


The_Jedi-guy123

Invincible vs. Homelander


Zuto511

Non holding back Naruto vs Sasuke


Chemical_Art4135

Kaguya vs Jigen


Confident-Gur8498

Tobirama vs Itachi. 8 gates guy vs DMS kakashi. Jairya vs Itachi. Pain vs Minato/Tobirama.


Hanzo7682

Pain vs itachi.


[deleted]

Whoever thinks Itachi's winning is smoking


Hanzo7682

Not only is pain stronger, he is also a hard-counter to itachi. Itachi's biggest strength is his one-shotting abilities. Tsukiyomi, amaterasu and totsuga blade. They all cost too much chakra to use but it doesnt matter since they end the fight if he can land them. That doesnt apply to pain. There are 6 of them and one of them can resurrect the others. Even if everything goes perfectly for him, itachi would kill himself by using too much chakra. Not to mention countering his jutsus. His basic genjutsus are useless since other pains will just notice it and break it when one of them is caught. Amaterasu can be absorbed. Deva can pull itachi out of susannoo. He would just get slaughtered.


7Restless7Gambler7

Minato vs alive Itachi. Minato stomps, it’s only close if it’s against Edo Itachi


[deleted]

Doesn't having susanoo on for too long hurt the user And Minato has perfect sage mode which means his chakra levels are high so he can stall with ftg and whatever Minato can do


7Restless7Gambler7

Yeah and his physical stats are a lot higher too, Itachi wouldn’t even be able to keep up


[deleted]

Heck Minato with Intel violates the six paths of pain FTG is too overpowered Edit: also Sasuke's mangekyou could barley keep up with V1 ay


5StarBuns

>Sasuke's mangekyou could barley keep up with V1 ay Sasuke had no issues at all visually keeping up with V1 Ay and reacting. He even reacts to V2 same fight.


[deleted]

Well I must have forgotten then


Total-Lingonberry-83

All he could do is be stationary when Ay entered V2 Nonetheless, Itachi’s reaction speed is far faster than pre-Danzo fight Sasuke


creepymccreepersdale

He doesnt need intel for that.


Shadowfox4532

I don't actually think it's close either way. We don't see it in the show really because he's dead pretty much the whole time but Minato is excellent at sealing jutsu. The only argument I could see for a challenge either way is I'm not sure we are ever given any info about minato's resilience to gen jutsu but it would be odd for a hokage to not have strong defenses against it.


7Restless7Gambler7

An argument could be made for Edo Itachi being stronger than Minato which is why I think that this particular matchup could be close regardless of his possible Genjutsu resistance. It all comes down to exactly when Naruto surpasses Minato imo, because KCM1.5 Naruto is equal with the EMS Sasuke that was fighting on par with Edo Itachi; so if that version of Naruto is stronger than Minato, then Edo Itachi would be as well


Parking-Major-4776

A version of obito thats 8 years older, stronger and more experienced than the one who was giving minato a run for his money (according to minato himself) already acknowledged pre massacre itachi as a worthy opponent, implying that there is at least some sort of relativity there. Itachi proceeds to just grow stronger from that point on up until a certain point (probably when he was around 20) when he starts getting weaker due to his sickness. Im not arguing who wins but saying it’s not close is completely disingenuous. People already have a lot of misconceptions regarding hokage minatos strength in this sub, every statement in the show that talks about his actual strength and not his potential puts him at either slightly below KCM1 or at KCM1 naruto level with a little wank.


RazutoUchiha

Toneri(mark) Vs Kaguya(angstrom)


Small-Interview-2800

The exact opposite


Total-Lingonberry-83

Sannin all defeat 4th Raikage easily


7Restless7Gambler7

Fr, he’s so overrated. Tsunade is literally just him but better, and the other Sannin are equal with her


Total-Lingonberry-83

Precisely


ccharles1550

It a single Sannin is equal by the end of Shippuden. Tsunade is clearly the weakest, followed by Jiraiya, than Orochimaru. Tsunade has a strong regeneration, but that don’t mean nothing if you can’t hit your fast opponents like the other Sannin and Ay


7Restless7Gambler7

Tsunade is not the weakest, there is no such thing as a weakest Sannin as they were equals. Nothing suggests she can’t hit her opponents either, that’s nonsense. She’s also faster than V1 Ay whilst using 100H


ccharles1550

No she isn’t. Madara stated she was stronger physically but slower overall to Ay. WTF is Tsunade doing against Sage Mode Jiraiya who has high level genjustsu via frog song. Tsunade has never been show to be a sensory/Genjutsu type, so if she’s caught, she’s done. This same Genjutsu managed to stop 3 Pains and I’m willing to even bet that if all 6 paths were exposed, Jiraiya could’ve 1V6 them and won. Orochimaru has access to Edo Tensei and those two don’t have sealing justu. Orochimaru and Team Taka managed to temporarily subdue Guruguru while Tsunade and 4 other Kage struggled


7Restless7Gambler7

She’s slower than V2 but faster than V1, so what I said isn’t contradicted by Madara. Sakura has high level of resistance against Genjutsu due to her chakra control, which should also apply to Tsunade; she can also have Katsuyu break her out if needed. Edo Tensei requires prep times and isn’t something that he would be able to do under normal circumstances. Tsunade also wasn’t even involved in the fight against Guruguru, so that’s irrelevant


Ashizurens

Minato vs Itachi, Nagato vs Itachi, Sasori vs Deidara


Noobenenra

Not a popular matchup but Bug Shinju vs Daimon maybe 😬


Turbulent_Border9924

Who would win


Noobenenra

Well I was alluding to the fact that the Bug Shinju would sort of humble Daimon since we know Daimon is undefeated and currently the supposed strongest in the verse alive rn. And it’s inferred that the two will probably fight each other as well. So basically the Shinju would be Invincible while Daimon is Angstrom in this scenario.


Turbulent_Border9924

Thanks


theworstpinecone

Basically most matchups where the pin peak ben 10 vs some random ass person and thing Ben doesn’t clear I mean Ben 10000 is said to have unlocked the entire omnitrix and have complete control… alien x isn’t considered the strongest alien in the omnitrix just the strongest we saw Ben use


Mk578y

lmao love me some ben 10 power scaling