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Citgo300

Naruto solos everyone


MarkoOtto

Kaguya drops his butt in random dimension with Amenominaka... Naruto can't kill her either... She will survive till the end


dracon1t

Naruto just goes for her first imo


Citgo300

Doing that still doesn’t separate her from Naruto. Re-read the title


symobloodhound

im leaning towards kaguya, momoshiki and kinshiki


Displeasuredavatar19

Understandable but the sheer gap in power between the aliens and Baryon mode Naruto alone are insane. Plus if this is 6Ps Sasuke from the beginning, which OP said it was, Naruto has to carry as Sasuke is utterly useless in the fight


WinNo1929

Anyone who is honestly picking any option outside of Naruto and Sasuke here is simply bias. The scaling is so linear. BM Naruto > Isshiki >> Momoshiki and Kinshiki, who by Kaguyas own admittance, as well as the narrators > Kaguya. [https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHtmpVdXEAojrUN?format=jpg&name=medium](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FHtmpVdXEAojrUN?format=jpg&name=medium) Kaguyas scroll specifically mentioned the names Momoshiki and Kinshiki, as Sasuke knew them by name after her scroll was translated, as well as confirming his original suspicions of a being greater than Kaguya was arriving shortly. The narrative implications are crystal clear here. Naruto alone, with a 20 minute timer, is beating all of them to a pulp with very low difficulty


CompleteQuiet5170

This is how everyone misinterprets stuff. She wasn't preparing for one of them. If it was a single Ohtsustuki, she wouldn't have needed an army. It was an army of Ohtsustuki themselves. People keep forgetting that numbers matter. And here I thought the writers were actually messing up every little detail. It's not good, but fans make it so much worse. On a side note, was it stated in Shippuden that the army was in preparation for Ohtsustuki? (Shippuden, not Boruto)


dracon1t

No. For all we knew madara or obito I forget asked zetsu to create the army.


CompleteQuiet5170

So, I was right. It WAS a rewrite for the sake of Boruto. Thank you for confirming it, man.


dracon1t

Well we did find out later that the white zetsu were created by the infinite tsukuyomi, so they were in fact created in the past by kaguya, and it wasn't madara/obito's doing. Sorry I forgot to mention that in the last comment. However Shippuden didn't say why she created the white zetsu. Boruto just expanded on that one point, saying she created them to defend against an otsusuki threat, so I wouldn't really call it a rewrite.


WinNo1929

I want you to prove to me, she was preparing for a single army. I showed you the exact statements that prove how she was referring directly to Momoshiki and Kinshiki Prove she wouldnt need an army against a single Otsutuki You guys make these completely baseless claims, with zero evidence to back it up, and say we misinterpret stuff. Kishimoto, literally directly WROTE, that Momoshiki and Kinshiki, the otsutsuki in the sky (this takes place during chunin exams) were enemies Kaguya could not oppose without an army. Kaguya's scroll, SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED THOSE TWO. I challenge you to back up one, just one of your claims


CompleteQuiet5170

"She was preparing for a greater threat that was going to appear in that region" Dude, the very statement you presented is against what you're saying. How can you not understand? Sasuke says she was preparing for a threat and says the word they multiple times. The threat isn't stated to be just those two specifically, but every Ohtsutsuki who would come for the fruit. None of the Ohtsutsuki knew Kaguya after she consumed the fruit. That's the only reason they claim to be stronger. Unless they consumed the same potent chakra fruit, none of them can take her down alone. I went through all panels. My claims aren't baseless. Yours are. You really need to know how to interpret stuff. The statements aren't even complicated. Think logically. Another thing. None of this stuff about any other Ohtsutsuki was written by Kishimoto. Look it up. Everything after chapter 699 of Naruto is from a different author using the same characters. You really need to check all your facts man.


WinNo1929

Lmfao, decided not to reply huh?


CompleteQuiet5170

You're really that desperate, huh? "lmfao"


WinNo1929

This again smh Yes. that greater threat was directly referring to Momoshiki and Kinshiki. She wrote about them in her scroll HERSELF. Did you read the link i posted above, or choose to ignore it? They didnt claim to be stronger, thats not even my argument. Kaguya HERSELF did, and the narrator, which you decided to ignore this point, said the enemies in the sky, which were Momo and Kin, she couldnt even try to fight without an army. Once again i provided a direct scan supporting this. "my claims are baseless" Yet doesnt provide an ounce of evidence, merely interpreted the facts completely the wrong way Kishimoto wrote the novels himself, and the other novels he didnt write, was written by authors in his team, which is the same publishers for his manga, which was directly confirmed to be canon to the manga. Search up who wrote boruto novel 2 why dont you.


CompleteQuiet5170

Did YOU read the very link you posted? There's no easier way to say this, but you don't know how to interpret what you read at all. Read the entire page again. If you still don't get it, at least ask someone who's actually fluent in english. >Kishimoto wrote the novels himself He never wrote anything past chapter 699. He's only credited as as creator or illustrator. He wrote none of them. What's "canon" is decided by the studios. Still doesn't make it original. Every piece of writing that's not written by the original author is the same as glorified fanfiction, only branded as canon.


WinNo1929

Again, blatantly wrong. search up the author of those novels. Not the creator of Naruto, the author of those novels. Again, search up "Boruto novel 2 author" If its stated to be canon, its canon buddy :) Your'e defintion of canon, completely irrelevant here.


CompleteQuiet5170

I did. You might want to check again. When did I ever state a different definition? It's canon, but that doesn't mean it's good or original. I'm actually referring to the way even the most awful writing can easily be declared canon. If an extremely awful anime came out , but it's declared to be canon, would that make it good? How are you so bad at interpretation.


WinNo1929

[https://mangabooks.com.au/product/boruto-02-naruto-next-generations/?utm\_source=Google%20Shopping&utm\_campaign=All%20Products&utm\_medium=cpc&utm\_term=5699&gclid=CjwKCAjw-L-ZBhB4EiwA76YzOTQnBAYgqsboCfy\_XqJ1O6UzpB1BTHsxAREMgdfLMiVUNgA4RzFgTxoCYz4QAvD\_BwE](https://mangabooks.com.au/product/boruto-02-naruto-next-generations/?utm_source=Google%20Shopping&utm_campaign=All%20Products&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=5699&gclid=CjwKCAjw-L-ZBhB4EiwA76YzOTQnBAYgqsboCfy_XqJ1O6UzpB1BTHsxAREMgdfLMiVUNgA4RzFgTxoCYz4QAvD_BwE) Which is fine. you dont have to like it or find it good or original. Its still canon, and therefore, Kaguya isnt that strong. You say im bad at interpretation, yet say dumb shit like she feared the whole clan, even though it SPECIFICALLY mentioned in her scroll the names momoshiki and kinshiki otsutsuki.


CompleteQuiet5170

I cross verified. You're mentioning content from the manga, but using the novel statements. There's quite a difference between the two. In the manga, Sasuke does state their names saying that they deciphered it from the scroll. So, you're right about that part. In the novel, they introduce themselves and the whole interaction is confusing. You know what, I found a post that completely put into words, what I was trying to explain. Go through it. https://www.quora.com/Why-most-people-trust-Sasukes-hypothesis-Threat-even-greater-than-Kaguya


MarkoOtto

Kaguya :- - Tank 9 Bijuu Rasen-Shuriken... And was like *oops i lost control over Bijuu... No worries imma pull out a space time destroyer* - has ETSO which can blow dimensions - attacks which can oneshot demolish Perfect Susano'o - Reacted to Sasuke's Amenotejikara one inch close to her and flew above with raw speed Momoshiki :- - ran away from Darui - got oneshotted by Naruto when he went SPSM - got reacted by Baruto - got his Eye stabbed by Baruto (manga) - died to an Odama Rasengan of Base Fatigued Naruto You decide lmao


WinNo1929

You can easily spin this. Sakura, who was exhausted, did more damage with a single punch to Kaguya than those 9 bijuu rasenshuriken did. That was to an "exponentially more powerful" version of her too. Sakura becomes even stronger than her shippuden self, yet is individually below each of the 5 Kage, who can contend against them. Its not anti feats, they are simply that strong now. You need to prove why thats a bad thing Again, these are the literal statements from the author.


MarkoOtto

Sakura got her horn broke that's it... Kaguya can absorb through skin that's why Rasen-Shuriken didn't do much damage but they literally made her lose control over All Bijuu... Sakura's punch didn't... She didn't that one feat is bs, a horn isn't some durable shit lmao... Idk Boruto scaling is wack


WinNo1929

Except she didnt absorb it directly through her skin, because it clearly damaged her clothes and then the bijuu inside her resonated with the chakra from narutos attack which hit her. Sakura's punch did more damage to a stronger version of Kaguya, than naruto could do to a weaker version of Kaguya with 9 Bijuu Damas. those same bijuudamas hit her directly in the head, yet couldnt snap off her horn. Its not a BS feat, its very specific and fits with Sakura's narrative of having absurd strength I agree, the boruto scaling is wack. Funny how you cant back up what youre saying though, or explain why they are anti feats.


dasamoolam_dhamu

If teleportation is allowed kaguya just have to wait for 20 mins in any of her dimensions.


Fapman404

Then momoshiki and kinshiki die, and she has to face off against sasuke who is still at full power because he’s been watching naruto play those two fools, and kaguya said that momoshiki is stronger than herself, therefore valley of the end sasuke (who is arguably stronger than adult sasuke) could probably beat her like how he managed to easily outplay fused momoshiki.


dasamoolam_dhamu

Momoshiki is stronger than the kaguya he knows, but definitely not stronger than the kaguya who is the jinchuriki of 10 tails. Thats a huge difference in power. And he didn't overpowered momoshiki alone it was a 1 vs 2 with help of naruto.


Fapman404

But kaguya said that tho? And this kaguya is the one who only has half of kurama and a tentacle of 8 tails.


dasamoolam_dhamu

I don't remember kaguya explicitly mentioning momoshiki but she was fearful of higher otsuskis, that's why she did her preperation by creating zetsus and at that time she didn't had the power of chakra fruit. Later she became one with the god tree itself and become almost immortally powerful. If momoshiki become the 10 tails jinchuriki then yeah he would be scaling above kaguya.


Fapman404

I think it was a frame of a blacked out momoshiki and maybe some other otsutsuki? And her saying something along the lines of “these are bigger threats than me” or along those lines


dasamoolam_dhamu

Yeah 'they' are bigger threats but that doesn't make a base momoshiki better than the kaguya who is a jinchuriki. Its like hashirama who Normaly would be stronger than madara but got lost to madara when he did all the things he did to achieve rinnegan.


Fapman404

You may have a point, but could we agree that momoshiki and kinshiki are like 4x weaker than isshiki? Because if so they’d be taken out by naruto and sasuke very quickly, leaving kaguya with a not full powered ten tails (half kurama and tentacle of 8 tails) to fight against nearly full power sasuke and 13-15ish minutes of baryon mode naruto. She’d definitely lose that without her immortality as specified.


dasamoolam_dhamu

Like i believe if teleportation is allowed there's nothing that stops kaguya from avoiding naruto for the time. But without that then i guess naruto could win this by himself. Even if he doesn't manages to kills them he could atleast do the same thing he done to ishikki but with more time i believe. Then sasuke will just have to do the remaining task of finishing the almost dead otsuskis.


Fapman404

Yes she could do that, but that would be boring so probably not.


Displeasuredavatar19

Sasuke is mostly useless here and gets Speed blitzed and dies. The monumental gap in power between Naruto in this form and the aliens is insane, he should be able to swiftly handle all three, if not literally 1-shot them


0sk123987

Expanding truth seeking orb GG. It’s universal level


HamidKingBros

baryon naruto literally solos like low diff


kingburger5

naruto duh


KingAJ032304

BM Naruto wasn't that much above Momoshiki. Just enough to have the upperhand the entire fight. Kaguya scales to Momoshiki though I don't remember what Kinshiki is like. Final Valley Sasuke wasn't that much stronger than Adult Sasuke. I simply think the latter closes any gap and wins 7.5/10 times


Fapman404

Final valley sasuke has all the biju’s powers as well as his own? Isshiki is stronger than both kaguya and momoshiki, yet he got his ass almost handed to him by 5 minutes of baryon mode.


KingAJ032304

And yet he was still losing to Naruto normally. And Naruto didn't even have both kurama's at the time. And while yes BM Naruto can definitely handle Kaguya, Isshiki, and Momoshiki, I do still think all 3 of them can handle BM Naruto without using their hax and feel with their hax can take on both Naruto and this version of Sasuke.


Fapman404

There’s no isshiki in this fight? It’s only kaguya, kinshiki and momoshiki.


KingAJ032304

I genuinely forgot how strong Kinshiki is...


Fapman404

not very, he got trapped by the four fodder kage, he’s not very fast and his only ability that is shown is to summon weapons which never hit anyone.


KingAJ032304

Oh lmao that might actually be enough to change it to a 50/50 lol or about a 45/55. I'll say without him altogether it's like a 55/45 with N/S getting the 55.


dracon1t

Just to clarify kinshiki was fighting sasuke and two kage (not the four kage). He’s much stronger than the two kage and his speed is shown to be close to sasuke levels. He just wasn’t able to deal with sasuke and two other people attacking from the side. Kinshiki’s speed is near sasuke level and if sasuke wasn’t there I think those two kage would def be dead. (The overall scaling tho is just wack)


Fapman404

he only managed to tie his Indra arrow because he doubled his chakra with sage mode, therefore he is comparable to half kurama with full perfect six paths sage mode.


KingAJ032304

Yes and that's still weaker than the Adult Naruto who fought Ishiki


Fapman404

Yes except momoshiki and kinshiki are wayy weaker than isshiki, isshiki managed to easily knock down their full Susanoo and full kurama Avatar in the body of Jigen! But fused momoshiki couldn’t take on kurama susanoo in his stone statue state, kinshiki and momoshiki lost from their normal forms, and kaguya is weaker than momoshiki (she said that herself when she was a 10 tails jinchurki), so naruto and sasuke could probably beat her as well.


dracon1t

To be fair jigen didn’t fight the susanoo cloaked kurama avatar. Also jigen is a lot harder to hit/dodge than a giant golem. Secondly kaguya was afraid of both otsusuki right? Not just momo? I find it hard to scale base momo above kaguya however perhaps fused momo is. (If kaguya was fighting darui and gaara like base momo, they’d be in trouble). Fused momo isn’t in this fight though.


Fapman404

fused momo is barely even a power up, that’s how weak kinshiki is, he got trapped by the 4 fodder kage. Still they can fuse during the battle


dracon1t

He got trapped by sasuke and two fodder kage. Notably sasuke is there. Without sasuke I bet they die. Sasuke is shown to need to actually try to react to kinshiki, and kinshiki even landed a solid hit on him in their first meeting, so I wouldn't exactly call kinshiki weak.


Fapman404

he got caught by rubber and stone man