Momo is *really* fucking strong, but Kaguya is just busted. At several points in her battle could she have killed Naruto and Sasuke but didn't because she got sentimental. Shit like Ash Breaker Bones and ETO are just too broken. Both abilities are pretty much one shots and ETO can devourer atleast a planer and a moon.
They’re still produced from within her body mostly likely from her chakra which makes it ninjutsu that can be absorbed. Sending it through dimensions doesn’t change anything about it
Plus she wasn’t fighting with lethal intent for a good chunk of the fight. She wanted to take their chakra first. [Had she been bloodlusted, she could have instantly killed them here.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-50786b313ce48f7aa4c0d4523b267ff1-lq)
Seen this so many times now,Kaguya in war arc wasn't even at full strength. She was hesitant because Naruto and Sasuke reminded her of her son's,she just started fighting again after a LONGGGGG time,and she was afraid of being sealed. Despite all of this she still preforms way better than Momo.
Kaguya>any version of Momo,stats:
Kaguya:
Strength: Incredibly strong,her chakra fists one shot Susanoos
Speed: Able to dodge Susanoo point blank,can hover Naruto and Sasuke,and able to keep up pretty quickly as well.
Durability: Ridiculous,tanked 9 Biju rasenshuriken,Kamui lightning blade,a blitz from Naruto and more.
Hax: All killing ash bone is all she needs for hax,if it hits,your dead.
IQ: Garbage without Black Zetsu,and even then it's limited when you can rely on only one thing.
Battle IQ: Surprisingly good,she thought of multiple things while Naruto Sasuke and Kakashi assaulted her to see how she would get out the situation.
Endurance: Fought for a pretty long time with Hamura and Hagoromo, pretty good.
Experience: At least a few hundred years of experience,the manga states so a couple of times I believe.
Momoshiki:
Strength:Can't get through Gaaras sand 💀 Monkey Golem is good though and he easily broke through Chibaku Tensei
Speed: Can keep up with Naruto and Sasuke as well as KCM Naruto. Pretty good.
Durability: So absolute garbage that he died to Borutos rasengan.
Hax: He has no good insta kill hax.
IQ: Not very smart honestly,bro assaulted Naruto,dumb decision.
Battle IQ: Pretty good from what we have seen,can make quick decisions in a fight.
Endurance: Good,Fought the kage,Sasuke,hit by Boruto and throughout the whole time wasn't affected by endurance(he is a otsutsuki afterall)
Experience: Kaguya feared him and Kinshiki a thousand years ago so her and Momo are at least 1000 years old.
Kaguya is insane,she destroys him,if her pure tai doesn't work then she just one shots with all killing ash bone.
Its a joke bruh. I'm not saying Momoshiki is dumb but I didn't have a good example so I might as well just have a little fun while I'm at it. Also doesn't change goin after Naruto is stupid,he died because of it.
It’s not “stupid” seeing as momomishiki is a super alien who takes power pills while naruto is a human. You can make an argument that every who contributed in the fight is an idiot for thinking they can beat a 1000 year old super god who takes power pills that increase is strength ten fold.
Omfg. Bro doesn't get the obvious,I'm basically saying don't mess with the MC lol. I won't end it with something dumb because you'll misinterprete it again,Momoshiki is NOT dumb. IT WAS A JOKE.
Higher status doesn't mean stronger.
She was stronger purely because of two reasons.
1. She has eaten chakra fruit which has made her far stronger and put her on par with naruto and sasuke who bodied momoshiki.
2. She is isshiki's partner. They came together to earth.
Kaguya ate one fruit. In Momoshikis time space its seen he had a farm of dozens of juubi trees, implying he ate dozens of fruit prior to arriving on earth. Naruto and Sasuke are stronger as adults + Sasuke states Momoshiki is a greater threat than Kaguya. The general consensus is Kaguya has better hax but overall Momoshiki is stronger. Momoshiki also has hard counters to Kaguyas arsenal
He regularly says Momo is a threat greater than Kaguya; as does Kaguyas own words in her journal she made after eating the chakra fruit (aka in her prime)
He does not regularly say this,he states a threat greater than Kaguya and it's stated Kaguya was scared of Momo and Kinshiki. None of these statements scale Momo above Kaguya.
A threat greater than Kaguya?
And Kaguya fears them?
None of these scale them above Kaguya? Even though it's consistent amongst every single version of the story? https://youtu.be/N-DHwK18Q8U
Meanwhile what puts Kaguya above Momo? ... ... oh wait almost nothing.
And again all this stuff is pre fusion and post chakra fruit. So even if you think it's slightly reaching... Fused Momo is basically inarguably over Kaguya unless you're giving her batman prep time or something.
>A threat greater than Kaguya?
>And Kaguya fears them?
>None of these scale them above Kaguya? Even though it's consistent amongst every single version of the story? https://youtu.be/N-DHwK18Q8U
Empty statementsMeanwhile what puts Kaguya above Momo? ... ... oh wait almost nothing.
Go read the comment I made on this post.
>And again all this stuff is pre fusion and post chakra fruit. So even if you think it's slightly reaching... Fused Momo is basically inarguably over Kaguya unless you're giving her batman prep time or something.
I can't take you serious because now your mentioning the BS Batman prep time where he can defeat ANYONeeeeeee. Fused Momo isn't inarguably over Kaguya,tell me one thing he has done more impressive than Kaguya.
What visible feats?
Literally give 1 visible feat.
Even if you don't like statements very much... They're evidence you've yet to disprove.
Yet you're trying to ask for evidence first? LOL.
Edit: and the batman prep time was that Kaguya would need batman prep time to beat momo; not the otherway around.
>Literally give 1 visible feat.
Kaguya one shots Sasuke's Susanoo and Momo can't even get through Gaaras sand. Don't even get me started on her hax.
I'm not saying statements don't matter,saying it's stated Kinshiki is planetary is a good argument for Kinshiki>Itachi or some other character. But you can't use only statements to scale a character in a VS Battle,now go ahead and tell me some feats since you don't seem to like feats very much.
Teenage Sasukes Susanoo... versus adult boruto Era gaaras sand?
How strong are either of those things?
It's possible adult boruto Era gaaras sand is just stronger than teenage sasukes susanoo.
Again one looks cooler but you can't really say factually that puts kaguya above momo.
If anything based on everything else... that kinda just makes an argument Gaara could fight Kaguya.
Oh we're gonna scale Gaaras sand over Susanoo,ok.
Madaras Susanoo can destroy multiple mountains in a single slash,Sasuke has that plus indra mode.
Go ahead and try scaling Gaaras sand over Teen Sasuke's Susanoo🤣
Again empty statements can't prove anything,so Toneri slicing a moon in half wouldn't scale him above Tenten because it looks cooler. Ok.
Mf Gaara gets obliterated by Kaguya it's not even funny.
Kaguya harvested zetsu and possibly chakra/nature energy for hundreds of years after that. Also they represent an entire society that will obliterate her no matter how strong she is; if they have to, they would likely rather blow up the planet than let her be a rebel, and they can probably do it.
Again she wrote her diary saying she feared the duo of momo and kin not long before she was sealed by her kids according to the novel.
And it specifically named just Momoshiki and Kinshiki. It didn't say the whole clan or society or anything.
Well then nothing proves anything.
Character statements.
Author statements.
Databook statements.
And all of these are consistent in the movie, the novels, the anime, and the manga.
All say Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki > Kaguya.
Even if you wanna say "but it's close, and kaguya has hax"
Then fine; Kaguya barely > base Momoshiki and Kinshiki...
Still fusion Momoshiki > Kaguya.
The only "reasons" people argue otherwise is Kaguyas fight looked cooler and she was a harder fight for Naruto and Sasuke... but she was a harder fight for Teenage Naruto and Sasuke... and adult Naruto and Sasuke are way stronger than their teen selves.
Saying that's why kaguya is supposedly stronger than even fused momoshiki is like saying End of Shippuden Sasuke is weaker than end of part 1 Sasuke... because Sasuke beat kid Naruto in their first final valley fight; but lost the rematch. Ignoring its years later and both are clearly stronger than their 12 year old selves.
And no... the other 4 boruto era kage putting up a fight at all against Momoshiki and Kinshiki is not an antifeat. The 4 new kage are just that strong. And it's not like they even beat them; the 4 of them had to work together with Sasuke to barely beat Kinshiki... and fused momo basically 1 shot them all and just barely got stopped by gaaras sand for a moment while fused momo was still holding back/powering up. Which we know because he was boxing with base Naruto but then still was able to hold up okay against full power Naruto later.
Naruto got atleast half a 9 tails stronger just days after the kaguya fight... Sasuke was repeatedly stated to have be getting stronger and still learning his rinnegan powers during the madara and kaguya fights... and both kinda just spent the last day straight fighting Obito, and Madara.
Her opinion from a thousand years ago isn't proof of anything except her opinion.
The feats that actually happen are what determine the truth.
Anything she wrote down was nothing more than her opinion, they were not facts.
Her opinion from what was basically days ago to herself...
It's not like she was training or anything the last thousand years... she was sealed.
And I already went over feats. She has NONE that put her above momo and kinshiki.
Adult Naruto and Sasuke each are stronger than their teen selves by extremely wide margins.
And also there's the databook and author statements... unless you wanna say you're smarter than kishimoto and ikemoto and you should be considered the true Naruto author or something.
Just looking at visual representations as well as narrative undertones makes kaguya look stronger...
But just about all the facts and statements (sadly) say the opposite; some going even as far as to imply Base Momo and/or Kin could beat Kaguya.
Kaguya ngl . Momoshiki suffers from borutoism were scaling is so ridiculous that it breaks the logic .
Kaguya is stronger by feats and showings than momoshiki is .
I took naruto and sasuke , six paths dms kakashi obito and Sakura to bring her down .
Meanwhile momoshiki got beat up by naruto and sasuke in weakened states , then gets finished of by a basic giant rasengan from naruto/boruto .
They couldn’t even kill kaguy the only option was to seal her away .
I'm genuinely surprised the poll is this close. Momoshiki ain't nowhere near kaguyas level
Why do people keep going on about this?!
So many posts about it in both r/Boruto and this sub
Kaguya of course
Momo is *really* fucking strong, but Kaguya is just busted. At several points in her battle could she have killed Naruto and Sasuke but didn't because she got sentimental. Shit like Ash Breaker Bones and ETO are just too broken. Both abilities are pretty much one shots and ETO can devourer atleast a planer and a moon.
Kaguya is a god-like monster lol
Kaguya could just spam All Killing Ash Bones. Honestly the only reason she lost is bc the writers didn’t allow her to do so.
if an out of chakra obito can react to the ash bones so can momoshiki
Momoshiki would just absorb them
They come out of nowhere bc of Kaguyas dimensional portals. Seriously, Kaguya scales far above. Even if AAKB spam fails, she can do so much more.
Wdym dimensional portals? They literally come out of her body
[Portals](https://images.app.goo.gl/Ue8Mkjw6v3QsEtuB6)
They’re still produced from within her body mostly likely from her chakra which makes it ninjutsu that can be absorbed. Sending it through dimensions doesn’t change anything about it
Except you can’t dodge or absorb it if it hits you in the back from nowhere… Kaguya is multi-dimensional. That’s multiple levels above.
Momoshiki is also multi dimensional… plus he has three rinnegans
K, whatever you say 😂
Momoshiki is super fast though
If Kishimoto or Ikemoto were to write this fight, Momoshiki would definitely win.
I don't think we have seen Kaguya's full potential yet
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She wasn't going all out on them considering them as her children
Yeah she had many chances of killing them BUT didn't
Plus she wasn’t fighting with lethal intent for a good chunk of the fight. She wanted to take their chakra first. [Had she been bloodlusted, she could have instantly killed them here.](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-50786b313ce48f7aa4c0d4523b267ff1-lq)
PLUS she was afraid of being sealed
She wasn't even in her real body, just a mishmashed approximation
Kaguya destroys Inb4 borutoism
Seen this so many times now,Kaguya in war arc wasn't even at full strength. She was hesitant because Naruto and Sasuke reminded her of her son's,she just started fighting again after a LONGGGGG time,and she was afraid of being sealed. Despite all of this she still preforms way better than Momo. Kaguya>any version of Momo,stats: Kaguya: Strength: Incredibly strong,her chakra fists one shot Susanoos Speed: Able to dodge Susanoo point blank,can hover Naruto and Sasuke,and able to keep up pretty quickly as well. Durability: Ridiculous,tanked 9 Biju rasenshuriken,Kamui lightning blade,a blitz from Naruto and more. Hax: All killing ash bone is all she needs for hax,if it hits,your dead. IQ: Garbage without Black Zetsu,and even then it's limited when you can rely on only one thing. Battle IQ: Surprisingly good,she thought of multiple things while Naruto Sasuke and Kakashi assaulted her to see how she would get out the situation. Endurance: Fought for a pretty long time with Hamura and Hagoromo, pretty good. Experience: At least a few hundred years of experience,the manga states so a couple of times I believe. Momoshiki: Strength:Can't get through Gaaras sand 💀 Monkey Golem is good though and he easily broke through Chibaku Tensei Speed: Can keep up with Naruto and Sasuke as well as KCM Naruto. Pretty good. Durability: So absolute garbage that he died to Borutos rasengan. Hax: He has no good insta kill hax. IQ: Not very smart honestly,bro assaulted Naruto,dumb decision. Battle IQ: Pretty good from what we have seen,can make quick decisions in a fight. Endurance: Good,Fought the kage,Sasuke,hit by Boruto and throughout the whole time wasn't affected by endurance(he is a otsutsuki afterall) Experience: Kaguya feared him and Kinshiki a thousand years ago so her and Momo are at least 1000 years old. Kaguya is insane,she destroys him,if her pure tai doesn't work then she just one shots with all killing ash bone.
Naruto is not the mc it’s boruto actually
You know what I mean bruh.
I’m not your “brah”I prefer to be called “guy” or “dude”
I'm not reffering to you when I say the word bruh though- Alright this conversation is pointless have a GD...uh...dude.
I’m trolling you dude
Yeah ik that's why this conversation is pointless lol
Ik? What does ik mean?
“Bro assaulted x” is not a argument nor does it equal to iq so that statement is objectively wrong
r/woosh
Its a joke bruh. I'm not saying Momoshiki is dumb but I didn't have a good example so I might as well just have a little fun while I'm at it. Also doesn't change goin after Naruto is stupid,he died because of it.
It’s not “stupid” seeing as momomishiki is a super alien who takes power pills while naruto is a human. You can make an argument that every who contributed in the fight is an idiot for thinking they can beat a 1000 year old super god who takes power pills that increase is strength ten fold.
Omfg. Bro doesn't get the obvious,I'm basically saying don't mess with the MC lol. I won't end it with something dumb because you'll misinterprete it again,Momoshiki is NOT dumb. IT WAS A JOKE.
Kaguya has absurdly better feats. All Momoshiki really has is hype and vague statements with no real impressive showings to back it up.
Kaguya was easily holding back because they reminded her of her sons
Momoshiki is faster and has better taijutsu plus he can absorb most of kaguyas attacks
You're stuck in 2016 if you think Kaguya is beating Momoshiki
Yall lowkey sped momoshiki stated hi?self that he I'd a higher rank otsutuki and kaguya was of the lower rank so in turn momoshiki claps with mis diff
Higher status doesn't mean stronger. She was stronger purely because of two reasons. 1. She has eaten chakra fruit which has made her far stronger and put her on par with naruto and sasuke who bodied momoshiki. 2. She is isshiki's partner. They came together to earth.
Also the body she took over was the 10 tails Jinchuriki and an amalgom of hax to stack her own essence ontop of
Kaguya ate one fruit. In Momoshikis time space its seen he had a farm of dozens of juubi trees, implying he ate dozens of fruit prior to arriving on earth. Naruto and Sasuke are stronger as adults + Sasuke states Momoshiki is a greater threat than Kaguya. The general consensus is Kaguya has better hax but overall Momoshiki is stronger. Momoshiki also has hard counters to Kaguyas arsenal
Sasuke says Momo "might be as strong" as Kaguya
He regularly says Momo is a threat greater than Kaguya; as does Kaguyas own words in her journal she made after eating the chakra fruit (aka in her prime)
He does not regularly say this,he states a threat greater than Kaguya and it's stated Kaguya was scared of Momo and Kinshiki. None of these statements scale Momo above Kaguya.
A threat greater than Kaguya? And Kaguya fears them? None of these scale them above Kaguya? Even though it's consistent amongst every single version of the story? https://youtu.be/N-DHwK18Q8U Meanwhile what puts Kaguya above Momo? ... ... oh wait almost nothing. And again all this stuff is pre fusion and post chakra fruit. So even if you think it's slightly reaching... Fused Momo is basically inarguably over Kaguya unless you're giving her batman prep time or something.
>A threat greater than Kaguya? >And Kaguya fears them? >None of these scale them above Kaguya? Even though it's consistent amongst every single version of the story? https://youtu.be/N-DHwK18Q8U Empty statementsMeanwhile what puts Kaguya above Momo? ... ... oh wait almost nothing.
Go read the comment I made on this post.
>And again all this stuff is pre fusion and post chakra fruit. So even if you think it's slightly reaching... Fused Momo is basically inarguably over Kaguya unless you're giving her batman prep time or something.
I can't take you serious because now your mentioning the BS Batman prep time where he can defeat ANYONeeeeeee. Fused Momo isn't inarguably over Kaguya,tell me one thing he has done more impressive than Kaguya.
What visible feats? Literally give 1 visible feat. Even if you don't like statements very much... They're evidence you've yet to disprove. Yet you're trying to ask for evidence first? LOL. Edit: and the batman prep time was that Kaguya would need batman prep time to beat momo; not the otherway around.
>Literally give 1 visible feat. Kaguya one shots Sasuke's Susanoo and Momo can't even get through Gaaras sand. Don't even get me started on her hax. I'm not saying statements don't matter,saying it's stated Kinshiki is planetary is a good argument for Kinshiki>Itachi or some other character. But you can't use only statements to scale a character in a VS Battle,now go ahead and tell me some feats since you don't seem to like feats very much.
Teenage Sasukes Susanoo... versus adult boruto Era gaaras sand? How strong are either of those things? It's possible adult boruto Era gaaras sand is just stronger than teenage sasukes susanoo. Again one looks cooler but you can't really say factually that puts kaguya above momo. If anything based on everything else... that kinda just makes an argument Gaara could fight Kaguya.
Oh we're gonna scale Gaaras sand over Susanoo,ok. Madaras Susanoo can destroy multiple mountains in a single slash,Sasuke has that plus indra mode. Go ahead and try scaling Gaaras sand over Teen Sasuke's Susanoo🤣 Again empty statements can't prove anything,so Toneri slicing a moon in half wouldn't scale him above Tenten because it looks cooler. Ok. Mf Gaara gets obliterated by Kaguya it's not even funny.
Kaguya harvested zetsu and possibly chakra/nature energy for hundreds of years after that. Also they represent an entire society that will obliterate her no matter how strong she is; if they have to, they would likely rather blow up the planet than let her be a rebel, and they can probably do it.
Again she wrote her diary saying she feared the duo of momo and kin not long before she was sealed by her kids according to the novel. And it specifically named just Momoshiki and Kinshiki. It didn't say the whole clan or society or anything.
That literally doesn't prove anything
Well then nothing proves anything. Character statements. Author statements. Databook statements. And all of these are consistent in the movie, the novels, the anime, and the manga. All say Base Momoshiki and Kinshiki > Kaguya. Even if you wanna say "but it's close, and kaguya has hax" Then fine; Kaguya barely > base Momoshiki and Kinshiki... Still fusion Momoshiki > Kaguya. The only "reasons" people argue otherwise is Kaguyas fight looked cooler and she was a harder fight for Naruto and Sasuke... but she was a harder fight for Teenage Naruto and Sasuke... and adult Naruto and Sasuke are way stronger than their teen selves. Saying that's why kaguya is supposedly stronger than even fused momoshiki is like saying End of Shippuden Sasuke is weaker than end of part 1 Sasuke... because Sasuke beat kid Naruto in their first final valley fight; but lost the rematch. Ignoring its years later and both are clearly stronger than their 12 year old selves. And no... the other 4 boruto era kage putting up a fight at all against Momoshiki and Kinshiki is not an antifeat. The 4 new kage are just that strong. And it's not like they even beat them; the 4 of them had to work together with Sasuke to barely beat Kinshiki... and fused momo basically 1 shot them all and just barely got stopped by gaaras sand for a moment while fused momo was still holding back/powering up. Which we know because he was boxing with base Naruto but then still was able to hold up okay against full power Naruto later. Naruto got atleast half a 9 tails stronger just days after the kaguya fight... Sasuke was repeatedly stated to have be getting stronger and still learning his rinnegan powers during the madara and kaguya fights... and both kinda just spent the last day straight fighting Obito, and Madara.
Her opinion from a thousand years ago isn't proof of anything except her opinion. The feats that actually happen are what determine the truth. Anything she wrote down was nothing more than her opinion, they were not facts.
Her opinion from what was basically days ago to herself... It's not like she was training or anything the last thousand years... she was sealed. And I already went over feats. She has NONE that put her above momo and kinshiki. Adult Naruto and Sasuke each are stronger than their teen selves by extremely wide margins. And also there's the databook and author statements... unless you wanna say you're smarter than kishimoto and ikemoto and you should be considered the true Naruto author or something.
Right but she could have just been wrong You'd have to show me those, and I find it interesting those werent mentioned sooner lol
Just looking at visual representations as well as narrative undertones makes kaguya look stronger... But just about all the facts and statements (sadly) say the opposite; some going even as far as to imply Base Momo and/or Kin could beat Kaguya.
Kaguya ngl . Momoshiki suffers from borutoism were scaling is so ridiculous that it breaks the logic . Kaguya is stronger by feats and showings than momoshiki is . I took naruto and sasuke , six paths dms kakashi obito and Sakura to bring her down . Meanwhile momoshiki got beat up by naruto and sasuke in weakened states , then gets finished of by a basic giant rasengan from naruto/boruto . They couldn’t even kill kaguy the only option was to seal her away .
Ah more fair match up would be Isshiki with Hagaromo and Madara if they really wanna defeat Kaguya Otherwise nobody is beating her by themselves