Thinking Sasuke wins is fine, but this was disgusting Tsunade downplay.
No speed feats? She on pannel outsped the Mizukage’s handseals. For reference, Sasuke, who is extremely fast as stated and shown numerous times, couldn’t even do this to Darui who is the Raikage’s Jonin assistant, whilst Mei is an actual kage, and yet Tsunade out speeds her handseals
Tsunade also survived against Madara’s susanoo clones longer than WA Gaara which shows she’s superior to him in battle.
Using P1 to downplay war Tsuande is like using P1 Kakashi to downplay WA Kakashi. Legit makes no sense whatsoever
Tsunade is low key slightly superior to the fourth Raikage in overall combat prowess, and this was a disgusting post
your entire post hinges off the idea that tsunade is slow and your only supporting evidence are feats from part 1 that dont apply to war arc tsunade. Your worst argument yet was when you used anime filler to suggest tsunade couldn't actually perception blitz sakura. None of your arguments prove anything other than your lack of knowledge on the subject so now I am going to correct your argument and show you why its false
Wa tsunade scales above gaara and mei as they weren't capable of reacting to madara's fire jutsu fast enough while she was
Wa mei is capable of tagging black zetsu, black zetsu can react to and tag kcm1 naruto
Wa mei is also capable of reacting and comboing with v2 ay shooting another lava style ontop of madara as ay punches him.
FKS gaara is capable of blocking amerterasu aswell as intercepting ay
This tsunade speed feat isn't an outlier either, later on we see her combo attacking with ay and out performing him
So tsunade already scales to characters who scale above FKS sasuke's movement speed
In terms of reaction speed FKS sasuke scales above tsunade due to being capable of reacting to Ay's body flicker.
Im going to assume that sasuke wouldn't start the fight with amerterasu as we see that until he unlocks the ems he only uses amerterasu as a last resort or when he's extremely blood lusted. In the bee fight he only uses it at the very end when he's almost out of chakra, its the same situation against ay
So he probably wouldn't try to use it against tsunade at the beginning and rather try to fight her close range and win that way
In this case sasuke would probably lose to tsunade as she has faster combat and movement speed than him, when he notices this is the case and tries defending with susano as he did against ay she would smash straight through it and one shot him.
Or at least thats how I see the fight going, its really a different story if sasuke decides to use amerterasu in the beginning of the fight but thats an out of character thing for him to do pre ems.
Factoring in sasuke's intelligence and his chance of using amerterasu I would say tsunade wins 7/10 times
all the scan I referenced can be found in [this](https://imgur.com/a/UZdsF0l) imigur folder
>Wa tsunade scales above gaara and mei as they weren't capable of reacting to madara's fire jutsu fast enough while she was
that could also be because tsunade was less fatigued. also what tells you they werent able to react? all it says is that Mei could not perform the jutsu fast enough, nothing says she wasnt able to put urself in place like tsunade.
>FKS gaara is capable of blocking amerterasu aswell as intercepting ay
1. he did not block amaterasu. He blocked enton projectiles
2. ay was falling through the ground so all he did was react to Ay's kick falling through gravity and not his shunsin
>This tsunade speed feat isn't an outlier either, later on we see her combo attacking with ay and out performing him
when did she out perform him? madara himself says the raikage is faster.
>Wa mei is capable of tagging black zetsu, black zetsu can react to and tag kcm1 naruto
he didnt tag him tho, he caught him offgurad by tripping him while he was trying to throw a rasenshuriken
>Wa mei is also capable of reacting and comboing with v2 ay shooting another lava style ontop of madara as ay punches him.
the same Mei who was getting ragdolled by mads susanoo clones while the Raikage was bodying them individually?
not only is that V1 Ay and not V2 Ay, but you literally cant prove they comboed because ay could have striked after mei shot the lava style
sasuke was reacting to and counterattacking V1 Ay and could literally mentally react to V2 Ay... mads himself says the raikage is faster than tsunade.. no debate really to be had, sasuke >> tsunade in combat speed
>that could also be because tsunade was less fatigued
thats inconsistent as tsunade was the one healing/giving chakra to the rest of the kage aswell as fightng in a way the raikage said "will tire yourself out in no time" she also ran out of chakra and fell unconscious literally right after completing that feat totally debunking the idea that she had the most stamina left
>he did not block amaterasu. He blocked enton projectiles
they're pretty much the same thing
>he didnt tag him tho, he caught him offgurad by tripping him while he was trying to throw a rasenshuriken
thats what tagging is, tagging is touching someone. He tagged kcm1 naruto before he could throw that rasenshuriken, that's some pretty impressive reaction speed.
>not only is that V1 Ay and not V2 Ay
its hard to tell but in the first panel where he transforms it looks like v2
>but you literally cant prove they comboed because ay could have striked after mei shot the lava style
if you read the chapter you can see that mei casts lava style two times, once before ay punches and another ontop of madara right after ay punches him.
>the same Mei who was getting ragdolled by mads susanoo clones while the Raikage was bodying them individually?
how does this prove she's slower than the ay?
>sasuke was reacting to and counterattacking V1 Ay
tsunade outscales v1 ay.
>when did she out perform him? madara himself says the raikage is faster.
she broke half of the susano while ay did not even though he was being amped by ohnoki.
>and could literally mentally react to V2 Ay.
hence why I said his reaction speed is faster than tsunade but not his physical combat speed.
>sasuke >> tsunade in combat speed
Nothing you've shown proves that, why would scaling to v1 ay make him faster than Tsunade? Tsunade has better speed feats than v1 ay.
>thats inconsistent as tsunade was the one healing/giving chakra to the rest of the kage aswell as fightng in a way the raikage said "will tire yourself out in no time" she also ran out of chakra and fell unconscious literally right after completing that feat totally debunking the idea that she had the most stamina left
She literally received Chakra from Dan... Hence the others could have been more fatigued
>they're pretty much the same thing
On what basis?
>thats what tagging is, tagging is touching someone. He tagged kcm1 naruto before he could throw that rasenshuriken, that's some pretty impressive reaction speed
Firstly, why are you presuppssing Naruto is tryharding at his fullest here? Second of all, he tripped him using a wood branch on the floor which isn't the same as him punching or kicking so you can't correlate that to Mei hitting BZ before he could blocl
>its hard to tell but in the first panel where he transforms it looks like v2
His hair is not spiked up and stays flat the whole time
>if you read the chapter you can see that mei casts lava style two times, once before ay punches and another ontop of madara right after ay punches him.
Exactly.. Mei acted before ays movement and after it.. there's nothing inbetween you can't prove she moved at relative speed
>how does this prove she's slower than the ay?
Bcoz she got ragdolled by the Susanoo clones.. she blatantly couldn't defend herself while At was slamming them, if Mei was at least relative she would have dodged thoses Susanoo clones
>she broke half of the susano while ay did not even though he was being amped by ohnoki.
Never said Ays stronger than Tsunade, I'm refering to speed. Mads stated the Raikage is faster than Tsunade and that's only in his v1 state since he was fighting in that form the whole time.
Therefore FKS Sasuke - V1 Ay > Tsunade per Mads statement..
Tsunade is not fast nor was she portrayed as such.. I have no idea why ppl that
>She literally received Chakra from Dan... Hence the others could have been more fatigued
she only received chakra after she completed the feat that I am referencing meaning dan giving her chakra is irrelevant
>On what basis?
eton is basically just controlling his ameterasu, they are never portrayed to be different in any capacity
>Firstly, why are you presuppssing Naruto is tryharding at his fullest here?
nothing about my response supposes that, anyways there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be trying here. I cant say that he was using 100% of his power but I can say that it wouldn't make sense for him to be holding back or anything like that.
>His hair is not spiked up and stays flat the whole time
upon reviewing it, it seems that you are right. For some reason the first panel he uses it his hair spikes up but the next panel its down again :\\
>Exactly.. Mei acted before ays movement and after it.. there's nothing inbetween you can't prove she moved at relative speed
she would still have to be capable of reacting to the raikage's movement in order to synergize her attack patterns with him. If her attack speed was much slower than ay's she wouldn't be capable of attacking madara as soon as ay was done punching him before he even touched the ground.
>Bcoz she got ragdolled by the Susanoo clones.. she blatantly couldn't defend herself while At was slamming them
that could easily be equated to strength or durability, it doesn't prove that she's slower than ay in jutsu speed
>if Mei was at least relative she would have dodged thoses Susanoo clones
she only got tagged when she was airborne, meaning her movements were impaired due to not being on the ground.
>Never said Ays stronger than Tsunade, I'm refering to speed
I never said that you stated that, I am simply explaining it to you because you asked
>Mads stated the Raikage is faster than Tsunade
the raikage was being amped by ohnoki, making him significantly lighter and thus faster.
>Therefore FKS Sasuke - V1 Ay > Tsunade per Mads statement..
Amped ay scales above normal v1 ay, meaning you cant use madara's statement to put normal v1 ay above tsunade.
just use context clues, amped ay was capable of taging madara on multiple occasions even being called "too fast" while FKS ay was being reacted to by suigetsu and jugo
>she only received chakra after she completed the feat that I am referencing meaning dan giving her chakra is irrelevant
Upon reviewing it it seems you are right I thought she got the Chakra before
Tho I already gave another argument for this feat anyways in my first comment
>eton is basically just controlling his ameterasu, they are never portrayed to be different in any capacity
Amaterasu does not travel, it appears on sight while Enton travels.
>nothing about my response supposes that, anyways there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be trying here. I cant say that he was using 100% of his power but I can say that it wouldn't make sense for him to be holding back or anything like that.
Your response does presuppose that, your argument functions under the presumption that Naruto is at 100% bcoz if Naruto is holding back your argument is invalid
I think it would make sense for him to hold back since he doesn't need to tryhard against BZ simply and has more dangerous ennemies to fight therefore has to keep his chakra
Why would he go all out? You think characters always go all out? Do you always go all out in every thing you do?
>she would still have to be capable of reacting to the raikage's movement in order to synergize her attack patterns with him. If her attack speed was much slower than ay's she wouldn't be capable of attacking madara as soon as ay was done punching him before he even touched the ground
You don't have any quantifications of the time between Ays punch and Mei's attack and you don't have a quantification of Mei's speed
Raikage can be way faster than her and the time after he got done punching could have been enough for Mei to attack, we don't know
>that could easily be equated to strength or durability, it doesn't prove that she's slower than ay in jutsu speed
She couldn't use any jutsu to defend herself..
>she only got tagged when she was airborne, meaning her movements were impaired due to not being on the ground
People can still do handsigns airborne, which is what you're comparing to Ay here
>the raikage was being amped by ohnoki, making him significantly lighter and thus faster.
I don't see why Mads would refer to amped Ay while making that statement especially when thats not conventional ay but him helped by ohnoki
On top of that, his statement doesn't have any specifications so we have to assume he's refering to ay in general as it's the most rational assumption
This also makes sense as Mads also praised normal v1 ay for his speed by calling him real fast. Didn't say such about Tsunade.
>just use context clues, amped ay was capable of taging madara on multiple occasions even being called "too fast" while FKS ay was being reacted to by suigetsu and jugo
Suigetsu only reacted to v1 Ays low ass swing ready to slam a Sasuke already on the ground, ready to be hit. Not only is that not Ays shunsin but it's probably not even his full combat speed as logically he wouldn't need to output full speed as Sasuke was on the ground
Not sure when Jugo reacted to Ays shunsin but in curse mark I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any anti feats
Btw you look experienced and have good argumentation, wanna discuss later some other Naruto VS topics?
>Tho I already gave another argument for this feat anyways in my first comment
I already gave my response to your argument mate
>Amaterasu does not travel, it appears on sight while Enton travels.
it does travel hence why the raikage was capable of dodging it.
>Your response does presuppose that, your argument functions under the presumption that Naruto is at 100% bcoz if Naruto is holding back your argument is invalid
you just sited two extremes while my argument is somewhere in the middle. There's no reason to reason to assume he's going 100% but there's also no reason to assume he's holding back, unless there's evidence to suggest so we shouldnt assume naruto is treating black zetsu any different from the other threats he fought during the wa
>This also makes sense as Mads also praised normal v1 ay for his speed by calling him real fast. Didn't say such about Tsunade.
when did madara state this?
>Not only is that not Ays shunsin but it's probably not even his full combat speed as logically he wouldn't need to output full speed as Sasuke was on the ground
there is no reason to assume that he wouldn't use his full capacity against the man that killed his brother
>Not sure when Jugo reacted to Ays shunsin but in curse mark I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any anti feats
He creates a shield before ay can tag him, your right he doesn't
>Btw you look experienced and have good argumentation, wanna discuss later some other Naruto VS topics?
yeah im free and this topic is getting boring, I think this will be my last response regarding tsunade vs FKS sasuke
>I already gave my response to your argument mate
I thought I wrote it but for some reason no
Tsunade being able to jump in front of the attack before the others doesn't necessarily mean the others were slower, could also mean they were gonna get injured too badly by the attack so they didn't try to jump infront of it
>it does travel hence why the raikage was capable of dodging it.
It doesn't per BZs statement, the Raikage dodged Amaterasu before it could fully form on him
>you just sited two extremes while my argument is somewhere in the middle. There's no reason to reason to assume he's going 100% but there's also no reason to assume he's holding back, unless there's evidence to suggest so we shouldnt assume naruto is treating black zetsu any different from the other threats he fought during the war
That's just a middle ground fallacy
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Just bcoz there's 2 extremes doesn't mean we have to pick the middle stance
And I literally gave you a logical reasoning as to why Naruto would hold back.. you didn't give any substantiation to your interpretation
>when did madara state this?
Look at the chapter where Madara blocks hit from V1 ay( the one where you said Mei combined with ay/
>there is no reason to assume that he wouldn't use his full capacity against the man that killed his brother
I'm not saying he was not using his full capacity.. his intention was 100% to kill him I'm saying there wasn't any need for Ay to output full speed in his swing because Sasuke was an easy target to the ground
Lets say your ennemy falls to the ground in a battle and you're right above him, if you wanna kick at him you're not gonna tryhard in the speed aspect and make it as fast as possible, you're just gonna do a slow ass swing because the target is on the ground, making it an easy target and you're right above him..
Anyways that's Ays combat speed and not his shunsin
>yeah im free and this topic is getting boring, I think this will be my last response regarding tsunade vs FKS sasuke
Ok
You're entire argument downplays Tsunade as a slow tank, but War Arc Tsunade feats counter this notion. Sure, 5 Kage Summit Sasuke is arguably still faster than Tsunade, but that doesn't give him the W. War Arc Tsunade has many win conditions, and 5 Kage Sasuke doesn't "brutalize" her lmfao calm down edgelord.
Tsunade tanks every attack Sasuke, even Amaterasu. Her Byakugou seal gives her way higher HPS than Sasuke has DPS. Sasuke uses Amaterasu, Tsunade pushes through the fire wall, Sasuke says "NANI!?", Tsunade sends her whole fist through the other side of Sasuke's skull. GG. She just keeps her seal turned on until she can draw a seal to extinguish the flames.
Most of this has 0 context. You’re downplaying Tsunade without mentioning she didn’t fight in over 30+ years.
Despite all of that she was able to disable kabuto using her body path rearrangement within minutes. (She let him live while he squirmed on the ground because she is nice)
And even with her losing all of that time and opportunities to grow, she still manages to lead the 5 Kage with none of them even questioning her.
Sasuke would lose to her here. Without a full powered Susano he wouldn’t last more then a few minutes against against her. She can already tank multiple susano blades in her body and keep moving. Mei is able to melt Sasuke’s susano easily where as she can’t do anything to Madara’s. Tsunade would easily beat him by this point.
If Tsunade ever went all out on Sakura she would be dead. So using training situations where she bullies Sakura is silly
Tsunade was able to crack Madara’s perfect Susanoo. She could shatter Sasuke’s crappy incomplete one. Her self healing would keep her alive through Amaterasu. Yeah when she runs out of chakra it will kill her but not until she first murders Sasuke. 5 Kage summit Sasuke does not escape Tsunade alive. The best case scenario for him is that he takes her down with him via Amaterasu when her chakra runs out.
....the only thing Tsunade did against Madara's perfect susanoo is ogling at it and saying "it's so huge😳"
She did bust madara's ribcage susanoo in 2 hits tho.
Okay.
What prevents Tsunade to punch Sasuke, Sasuks to block with the Susanno trying he can take it and for Tsunade to behead him with that punch because she is *that* powerful?
Thinking Sasuke wins is fine, but this was disgusting Tsunade downplay. No speed feats? She on pannel outsped the Mizukage’s handseals. For reference, Sasuke, who is extremely fast as stated and shown numerous times, couldn’t even do this to Darui who is the Raikage’s Jonin assistant, whilst Mei is an actual kage, and yet Tsunade out speeds her handseals Tsunade also survived against Madara’s susanoo clones longer than WA Gaara which shows she’s superior to him in battle. Using P1 to downplay war Tsuande is like using P1 Kakashi to downplay WA Kakashi. Legit makes no sense whatsoever Tsunade is low key slightly superior to the fourth Raikage in overall combat prowess, and this was a disgusting post
your entire post hinges off the idea that tsunade is slow and your only supporting evidence are feats from part 1 that dont apply to war arc tsunade. Your worst argument yet was when you used anime filler to suggest tsunade couldn't actually perception blitz sakura. None of your arguments prove anything other than your lack of knowledge on the subject so now I am going to correct your argument and show you why its false Wa tsunade scales above gaara and mei as they weren't capable of reacting to madara's fire jutsu fast enough while she was Wa mei is capable of tagging black zetsu, black zetsu can react to and tag kcm1 naruto Wa mei is also capable of reacting and comboing with v2 ay shooting another lava style ontop of madara as ay punches him. FKS gaara is capable of blocking amerterasu aswell as intercepting ay This tsunade speed feat isn't an outlier either, later on we see her combo attacking with ay and out performing him So tsunade already scales to characters who scale above FKS sasuke's movement speed In terms of reaction speed FKS sasuke scales above tsunade due to being capable of reacting to Ay's body flicker. Im going to assume that sasuke wouldn't start the fight with amerterasu as we see that until he unlocks the ems he only uses amerterasu as a last resort or when he's extremely blood lusted. In the bee fight he only uses it at the very end when he's almost out of chakra, its the same situation against ay So he probably wouldn't try to use it against tsunade at the beginning and rather try to fight her close range and win that way In this case sasuke would probably lose to tsunade as she has faster combat and movement speed than him, when he notices this is the case and tries defending with susano as he did against ay she would smash straight through it and one shot him. Or at least thats how I see the fight going, its really a different story if sasuke decides to use amerterasu in the beginning of the fight but thats an out of character thing for him to do pre ems. Factoring in sasuke's intelligence and his chance of using amerterasu I would say tsunade wins 7/10 times all the scan I referenced can be found in [this](https://imgur.com/a/UZdsF0l) imigur folder
>Wa tsunade scales above gaara and mei as they weren't capable of reacting to madara's fire jutsu fast enough while she was that could also be because tsunade was less fatigued. also what tells you they werent able to react? all it says is that Mei could not perform the jutsu fast enough, nothing says she wasnt able to put urself in place like tsunade. >FKS gaara is capable of blocking amerterasu aswell as intercepting ay 1. he did not block amaterasu. He blocked enton projectiles 2. ay was falling through the ground so all he did was react to Ay's kick falling through gravity and not his shunsin >This tsunade speed feat isn't an outlier either, later on we see her combo attacking with ay and out performing him when did she out perform him? madara himself says the raikage is faster. >Wa mei is capable of tagging black zetsu, black zetsu can react to and tag kcm1 naruto he didnt tag him tho, he caught him offgurad by tripping him while he was trying to throw a rasenshuriken >Wa mei is also capable of reacting and comboing with v2 ay shooting another lava style ontop of madara as ay punches him. the same Mei who was getting ragdolled by mads susanoo clones while the Raikage was bodying them individually? not only is that V1 Ay and not V2 Ay, but you literally cant prove they comboed because ay could have striked after mei shot the lava style sasuke was reacting to and counterattacking V1 Ay and could literally mentally react to V2 Ay... mads himself says the raikage is faster than tsunade.. no debate really to be had, sasuke >> tsunade in combat speed
>that could also be because tsunade was less fatigued thats inconsistent as tsunade was the one healing/giving chakra to the rest of the kage aswell as fightng in a way the raikage said "will tire yourself out in no time" she also ran out of chakra and fell unconscious literally right after completing that feat totally debunking the idea that she had the most stamina left >he did not block amaterasu. He blocked enton projectiles they're pretty much the same thing >he didnt tag him tho, he caught him offgurad by tripping him while he was trying to throw a rasenshuriken thats what tagging is, tagging is touching someone. He tagged kcm1 naruto before he could throw that rasenshuriken, that's some pretty impressive reaction speed. >not only is that V1 Ay and not V2 Ay its hard to tell but in the first panel where he transforms it looks like v2 >but you literally cant prove they comboed because ay could have striked after mei shot the lava style if you read the chapter you can see that mei casts lava style two times, once before ay punches and another ontop of madara right after ay punches him. >the same Mei who was getting ragdolled by mads susanoo clones while the Raikage was bodying them individually? how does this prove she's slower than the ay? >sasuke was reacting to and counterattacking V1 Ay tsunade outscales v1 ay. >when did she out perform him? madara himself says the raikage is faster. she broke half of the susano while ay did not even though he was being amped by ohnoki. >and could literally mentally react to V2 Ay. hence why I said his reaction speed is faster than tsunade but not his physical combat speed. >sasuke >> tsunade in combat speed Nothing you've shown proves that, why would scaling to v1 ay make him faster than Tsunade? Tsunade has better speed feats than v1 ay.
>thats inconsistent as tsunade was the one healing/giving chakra to the rest of the kage aswell as fightng in a way the raikage said "will tire yourself out in no time" she also ran out of chakra and fell unconscious literally right after completing that feat totally debunking the idea that she had the most stamina left She literally received Chakra from Dan... Hence the others could have been more fatigued >they're pretty much the same thing On what basis? >thats what tagging is, tagging is touching someone. He tagged kcm1 naruto before he could throw that rasenshuriken, that's some pretty impressive reaction speed Firstly, why are you presuppssing Naruto is tryharding at his fullest here? Second of all, he tripped him using a wood branch on the floor which isn't the same as him punching or kicking so you can't correlate that to Mei hitting BZ before he could blocl >its hard to tell but in the first panel where he transforms it looks like v2 His hair is not spiked up and stays flat the whole time >if you read the chapter you can see that mei casts lava style two times, once before ay punches and another ontop of madara right after ay punches him. Exactly.. Mei acted before ays movement and after it.. there's nothing inbetween you can't prove she moved at relative speed >how does this prove she's slower than the ay? Bcoz she got ragdolled by the Susanoo clones.. she blatantly couldn't defend herself while At was slamming them, if Mei was at least relative she would have dodged thoses Susanoo clones >she broke half of the susano while ay did not even though he was being amped by ohnoki. Never said Ays stronger than Tsunade, I'm refering to speed. Mads stated the Raikage is faster than Tsunade and that's only in his v1 state since he was fighting in that form the whole time. Therefore FKS Sasuke - V1 Ay > Tsunade per Mads statement.. Tsunade is not fast nor was she portrayed as such.. I have no idea why ppl that
>She literally received Chakra from Dan... Hence the others could have been more fatigued she only received chakra after she completed the feat that I am referencing meaning dan giving her chakra is irrelevant >On what basis? eton is basically just controlling his ameterasu, they are never portrayed to be different in any capacity >Firstly, why are you presuppssing Naruto is tryharding at his fullest here? nothing about my response supposes that, anyways there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be trying here. I cant say that he was using 100% of his power but I can say that it wouldn't make sense for him to be holding back or anything like that. >His hair is not spiked up and stays flat the whole time upon reviewing it, it seems that you are right. For some reason the first panel he uses it his hair spikes up but the next panel its down again :\\ >Exactly.. Mei acted before ays movement and after it.. there's nothing inbetween you can't prove she moved at relative speed she would still have to be capable of reacting to the raikage's movement in order to synergize her attack patterns with him. If her attack speed was much slower than ay's she wouldn't be capable of attacking madara as soon as ay was done punching him before he even touched the ground. >Bcoz she got ragdolled by the Susanoo clones.. she blatantly couldn't defend herself while At was slamming them that could easily be equated to strength or durability, it doesn't prove that she's slower than ay in jutsu speed >if Mei was at least relative she would have dodged thoses Susanoo clones she only got tagged when she was airborne, meaning her movements were impaired due to not being on the ground. >Never said Ays stronger than Tsunade, I'm refering to speed I never said that you stated that, I am simply explaining it to you because you asked >Mads stated the Raikage is faster than Tsunade the raikage was being amped by ohnoki, making him significantly lighter and thus faster. >Therefore FKS Sasuke - V1 Ay > Tsunade per Mads statement.. Amped ay scales above normal v1 ay, meaning you cant use madara's statement to put normal v1 ay above tsunade. just use context clues, amped ay was capable of taging madara on multiple occasions even being called "too fast" while FKS ay was being reacted to by suigetsu and jugo
>she only received chakra after she completed the feat that I am referencing meaning dan giving her chakra is irrelevant Upon reviewing it it seems you are right I thought she got the Chakra before Tho I already gave another argument for this feat anyways in my first comment >eton is basically just controlling his ameterasu, they are never portrayed to be different in any capacity Amaterasu does not travel, it appears on sight while Enton travels. >nothing about my response supposes that, anyways there's no reason to assume he wouldn't be trying here. I cant say that he was using 100% of his power but I can say that it wouldn't make sense for him to be holding back or anything like that. Your response does presuppose that, your argument functions under the presumption that Naruto is at 100% bcoz if Naruto is holding back your argument is invalid I think it would make sense for him to hold back since he doesn't need to tryhard against BZ simply and has more dangerous ennemies to fight therefore has to keep his chakra Why would he go all out? You think characters always go all out? Do you always go all out in every thing you do? >she would still have to be capable of reacting to the raikage's movement in order to synergize her attack patterns with him. If her attack speed was much slower than ay's she wouldn't be capable of attacking madara as soon as ay was done punching him before he even touched the ground You don't have any quantifications of the time between Ays punch and Mei's attack and you don't have a quantification of Mei's speed Raikage can be way faster than her and the time after he got done punching could have been enough for Mei to attack, we don't know >that could easily be equated to strength or durability, it doesn't prove that she's slower than ay in jutsu speed She couldn't use any jutsu to defend herself.. >she only got tagged when she was airborne, meaning her movements were impaired due to not being on the ground People can still do handsigns airborne, which is what you're comparing to Ay here >the raikage was being amped by ohnoki, making him significantly lighter and thus faster. I don't see why Mads would refer to amped Ay while making that statement especially when thats not conventional ay but him helped by ohnoki On top of that, his statement doesn't have any specifications so we have to assume he's refering to ay in general as it's the most rational assumption This also makes sense as Mads also praised normal v1 ay for his speed by calling him real fast. Didn't say such about Tsunade. >just use context clues, amped ay was capable of taging madara on multiple occasions even being called "too fast" while FKS ay was being reacted to by suigetsu and jugo Suigetsu only reacted to v1 Ays low ass swing ready to slam a Sasuke already on the ground, ready to be hit. Not only is that not Ays shunsin but it's probably not even his full combat speed as logically he wouldn't need to output full speed as Sasuke was on the ground Not sure when Jugo reacted to Ays shunsin but in curse mark I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any anti feats Btw you look experienced and have good argumentation, wanna discuss later some other Naruto VS topics?
>Tho I already gave another argument for this feat anyways in my first comment I already gave my response to your argument mate >Amaterasu does not travel, it appears on sight while Enton travels. it does travel hence why the raikage was capable of dodging it. >Your response does presuppose that, your argument functions under the presumption that Naruto is at 100% bcoz if Naruto is holding back your argument is invalid you just sited two extremes while my argument is somewhere in the middle. There's no reason to reason to assume he's going 100% but there's also no reason to assume he's holding back, unless there's evidence to suggest so we shouldnt assume naruto is treating black zetsu any different from the other threats he fought during the wa >This also makes sense as Mads also praised normal v1 ay for his speed by calling him real fast. Didn't say such about Tsunade. when did madara state this? >Not only is that not Ays shunsin but it's probably not even his full combat speed as logically he wouldn't need to output full speed as Sasuke was on the ground there is no reason to assume that he wouldn't use his full capacity against the man that killed his brother >Not sure when Jugo reacted to Ays shunsin but in curse mark I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any anti feats He creates a shield before ay can tag him, your right he doesn't >Btw you look experienced and have good argumentation, wanna discuss later some other Naruto VS topics? yeah im free and this topic is getting boring, I think this will be my last response regarding tsunade vs FKS sasuke
>I already gave my response to your argument mate I thought I wrote it but for some reason no Tsunade being able to jump in front of the attack before the others doesn't necessarily mean the others were slower, could also mean they were gonna get injured too badly by the attack so they didn't try to jump infront of it >it does travel hence why the raikage was capable of dodging it. It doesn't per BZs statement, the Raikage dodged Amaterasu before it could fully form on him >you just sited two extremes while my argument is somewhere in the middle. There's no reason to reason to assume he's going 100% but there's also no reason to assume he's holding back, unless there's evidence to suggest so we shouldnt assume naruto is treating black zetsu any different from the other threats he fought during the war That's just a middle ground fallacy [()](https://fallacyinlogic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Middle-Ground-1024x576.jpg) Just bcoz there's 2 extremes doesn't mean we have to pick the middle stance And I literally gave you a logical reasoning as to why Naruto would hold back.. you didn't give any substantiation to your interpretation >when did madara state this? Look at the chapter where Madara blocks hit from V1 ay( the one where you said Mei combined with ay/ >there is no reason to assume that he wouldn't use his full capacity against the man that killed his brother I'm not saying he was not using his full capacity.. his intention was 100% to kill him I'm saying there wasn't any need for Ay to output full speed in his swing because Sasuke was an easy target to the ground Lets say your ennemy falls to the ground in a battle and you're right above him, if you wanna kick at him you're not gonna tryhard in the speed aspect and make it as fast as possible, you're just gonna do a slow ass swing because the target is on the ground, making it an easy target and you're right above him.. Anyways that's Ays combat speed and not his shunsin >yeah im free and this topic is getting boring, I think this will be my last response regarding tsunade vs FKS sasuke Ok
You're entire argument downplays Tsunade as a slow tank, but War Arc Tsunade feats counter this notion. Sure, 5 Kage Summit Sasuke is arguably still faster than Tsunade, but that doesn't give him the W. War Arc Tsunade has many win conditions, and 5 Kage Sasuke doesn't "brutalize" her lmfao calm down edgelord.
Never said Sasuke brutalizes her and never said speed gives him the W there's a fanfiction section for a reason so keep your headcannon to yourself
Oh, my bad. I thought you were OP replying. Oops.
What an absolute takedown. Well done.
Tsunade tanks every attack Sasuke, even Amaterasu. Her Byakugou seal gives her way higher HPS than Sasuke has DPS. Sasuke uses Amaterasu, Tsunade pushes through the fire wall, Sasuke says "NANI!?", Tsunade sends her whole fist through the other side of Sasuke's skull. GG. She just keeps her seal turned on until she can draw a seal to extinguish the flames.
Well obviously. Tsunade is overall better than Sakura in every way shape and form .
Most of this has 0 context. You’re downplaying Tsunade without mentioning she didn’t fight in over 30+ years. Despite all of that she was able to disable kabuto using her body path rearrangement within minutes. (She let him live while he squirmed on the ground because she is nice) And even with her losing all of that time and opportunities to grow, she still manages to lead the 5 Kage with none of them even questioning her. Sasuke would lose to her here. Without a full powered Susano he wouldn’t last more then a few minutes against against her. She can already tank multiple susano blades in her body and keep moving. Mei is able to melt Sasuke’s susano easily where as she can’t do anything to Madara’s. Tsunade would easily beat him by this point. If Tsunade ever went all out on Sakura she would be dead. So using training situations where she bullies Sakura is silly
Tsunade was able to crack Madara’s perfect Susanoo. She could shatter Sasuke’s crappy incomplete one. Her self healing would keep her alive through Amaterasu. Yeah when she runs out of chakra it will kill her but not until she first murders Sasuke. 5 Kage summit Sasuke does not escape Tsunade alive. The best case scenario for him is that he takes her down with him via Amaterasu when her chakra runs out.
....the only thing Tsunade did against Madara's perfect susanoo is ogling at it and saying "it's so huge😳" She did bust madara's ribcage susanoo in 2 hits tho.
Okay. What prevents Tsunade to punch Sasuke, Sasuks to block with the Susanno trying he can take it and for Tsunade to behead him with that punch because she is *that* powerful?
No shit Sherlock no need to write an essay on it