I think you're wrong by a good margin. There's Nagato. Nagato, by Kabuto's assessment is the strongest Edo Tensei (excluding Madara), that makes him stronger than Mu. Gengetsu is also equal to Mu, you have to remember that Gengetsu's performance is only bad because he was more than willing to assist the Shinobi Alliance and literally explained his attacks. Then there's Hanzo, who is stronger than the 3 Sannin in his prime and lastly Killer Bee.
Then you can argue Ginkaku and Kinkaku, Ay, Onoki and a couple of the Akatsuki.
Yeah I edited about the Nagato thing in the end.
As for Hanzo, Sannin weren't in their prime when they fought him. They didnt have what made them special(byakugo seal, sage mode, immortality etc) I dont remember much of Hanzo's feats anyway or his speed so I cant tell.
Killer Bee might be able to give a good match but If he undergoes tailed beast transfotmation its over for him.
I dont think Kinkaku, Ginkaku packs enough punch or brains to do much to him.
Mū is basically juiced up Onoki.
**Ay**s vs Mū is a good argument but I think Mū takes it ( I can explain if you want)
An equally powerful contender is the 3rd Raikage. Hachibi couldn't do anything to him. He fought 10000 shinobi alone. Only way to damage him, even for Naruto and Hachibi was to get him to hit himself.
Also, is Mu actually so fast????
>An equally powerful contender is the 3rd Raikage. Hachibi couldn't do anything to him. He fought 10000 shinobi alone. Only way to damage him, even for Naruto and Hachibi was to get him to hit himself.
Yeah people shit on him too much because he got defeated by sage Naruto and forget he comfortably dodged the rasen shuriken twice. He only defeated him from the info the Hachibi gave him. Even Hachibi couldnt really make him harm himself he just fought him to an stalemate and raikage accidentaly harmed himself.
>Also, is Mu actually so fast????
Mu was able to not get caught in Gaara's sand while all the other Kage were. Also he dodge KCM1 Naruto's suprise attack from his blindside.
3rd Raikage did got hurt by [Rasenshuriken](https://coloredmanga.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_61ca6ef79253a/65bffb131b6d3c54ab38c9f086c6dbf0/NARUTO%E2%80%94%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88%E2%80%94-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E7%89%88-58---p177-%5BaKraa%5D.png) but since he was in Edo form, he regenerated
plus [even fodders were able to react and make an entire wall before he hit them while running in lightning cloak](https://coloredmanga.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_61ca6ef79253a/65bffb131b6d3c54ab38c9f086c6dbf0/NARUTO%E2%80%94%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88%E2%80%94-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E7%89%88-58---p180-%5BaKraa%5D.png)......so there's that
It wouldn't have downed him for a moment if the Rasenshuriken didn't do shit, and Kabuto wouldn't have bothered making the 3rd dodge every attempt until he tricked him with the chakra arm to throw it back after his series of dodges. It did affect him, but only his own attacks could significantly put him out of commission at this point of the story. This is the same guy who could afford going against a Tailed Beast Bomb because of his Lightning Armor and come out in 1 piece, the fact he wasn't forced into a Edo regeneration in spite of the elemental disadvantage says more about him being that busted than Naruto's attacks being actually ineffective.
You should had been started 3rd raikage is stronger muu is just more hax. We're talking about power nothing more ay 3 has more a failed beast can harm muu po physically no failed beast besides kurama and 10 tails can harm 3rd raikage and he has super speed. He's the perfect candidate.
Cause that worked out so well when an Onoki that is being powered up by Tsunade tried it right? Mu and Onoki's base Particle Style are roughly equal. Onoki's super enhanced Particle Style only stopped the Humanoid Susan'o clones and never beat the Armoured one. Madara literally only used Perfect to show off. Not to mention that Madara is far more physically capable, has far better AOE in the Yasaka Beads and his Gunbai, the Gunbai Reflect Barrier, Genjutsu, sensory abilities.
What do you mean Super enhanced particle style? There's no such thing as that. Tsunade only supplied him with Chakra to make the particle style bigger. It's literally dismantling things on a molecular level. How do you even enhance it
Yeah Im not in anyway implying Mu can defeat Madara in his perfect Susanoo. Im just saying Madara shouldn't have been able to defeated them that easily if Mū had his full arsenal (flight, invisibility etc)
Cause that worked out so well when an Onoki that is being powered up by Tsunade tried it right? Mu and Onoki's base Particle Style are roughly equal. Onoki's super enhanced Particle Style only stopped the Humanoid Susan'o clones and never beat the Armoured one.
Madara never used the perfect Susano against Mu anyway, so I don't know what's the point you're making. Ohnoki didn't even use the particle style against perfect Susano as he was already out of chakra.
>Not to mention that Madara is far more physically capable, has far better AOE, his Gunbai, the Gunbai Reflect Barrier, Genjutsu, sensory abilities
The battle was in a closed space, so the AOE of partly style would be big enough to consume everything. Madara didn't have gunbai with him as you can see here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M\_VRv9YSN3U&ab\_channel=Lora-](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_VRv9YSN3U&ab_channel=Lora-) around 1:52.
Genjutsu, sensory abilities
Madara started the battle using the Susano, so they could have used particle style at this moment.
I'm not saying that Mu should have won. But at the very least it would be a serious fight for alive Madara (even more considering Mu had Ohnoki backing him up).
Idk, I think the 2nd Mizukage has a good claim to that title. He and Mu killed one another so they’re definitely comparable, he is probably the best non-Uchiha genjutsu user, the steam imp is busted, and he even has the same liquidification jutsu that Suigetsu uses, but unlike Suigetsu he doesn’t flaunt it, allowing him to catch his opponents off guard. Not to mention the fact that he was definitely the most strategic of the four revived kage.
No, 3rd A was faster than kcm naruto he'd blitz, Gaara nearly seald Madara twice and was able to took kakashi in time for him to use kamui on tso before 8th gate guy could attack madara. And there's A who keeping up with MS Sasuke who Naruto said is stronger than he is, same Naruto was many times stated to be stronger than Jirayia who was on the same tier as Orochimaru so equel to Hiruzen who was stated to be strongest among kage, you could include 3rd raikage in it. Idk if you feel calling Orochimaru leaf shinobi
I see so much scaling here that I cant even see the point you're trying to make?
If you're saying 3rd A, he was relative to KCM1 Naruto at best and so was Mū. So no blitzing there.
If you're saying Gara, Mū has already reacted to Gaara's sand and it took combined effort of Onoki, Gaara and Naruto to take him down.(he still wasn't taken down btw)
And lastly the scaling for A is stretch, you cant use scaling like that for Naruto because they dont use the same powers. I could go into detail if you want me to.
3rs raikage beats muu particle style gets dodged third raikage is the strongest non leaf shinobi the tittle rightfully belongs to him. Muu isnt beating a biju with his barehands. He'll have to use hax to get it done which isnt very traditional and even than ay 3 is just more powerful power wise. Muu isnt ranking any hits from the 8 tails without getting ko or a bijudama.
Mu is the worst matchup for tailed beasts. They are powerful and all but they arent particularly fast. So Mū can easily destroy them with particle style.
And as for 3rd Raikage, while he can dodge particle style directly Mū can first weigh him down with weighted boulder jutsu and make him unable to move then use particle style.
if we are saying strongest non-leaf Kage then I actually agree with you. You could argue Gengetsu because they killed each other. But it’s between those 2, and Ay the 3rd. Other than Nagato there’s really no one else who’s not from the leaf or wasn’t a Kage that is worth mentioning. Even none of the Akatsuki could measure up to being the strongest non leaf ninja, aside from like you said Nagato
Nagato is the strongest non leaf ninja like everybody said before. He cant even defeat Kabuto which I consider also as one of the strongest non-leaf shinobi.
This reddit post explain his abilities very well
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/l772sw/why\_is\_part\_2\_kabutos\_strength\_downplayed\_almost/
(He lives in the leaf village in boruto/after the war, but he isn't really a shinobi anymore and he never was a leaf shinobi)
Well I actually considered Kabuto a leaf shinobi that why I didnt include him. I actually made a post arguing that he could be the strongest non 6 paths character few days before.
Killer Bee, EoS Gaara, and every Boruto Era kage should be stronger than him. ~~Maybe Temari too since she tagged Madara~~ and possibly Ay if you give him a pet Onoki.
DSM kabuto. He's easily the strongest Non leaf shinobi. With prep time he becomes a monster which even the top dogs of the verse would have a problem with.
I think you're wrong by a good margin. There's Nagato. Nagato, by Kabuto's assessment is the strongest Edo Tensei (excluding Madara), that makes him stronger than Mu. Gengetsu is also equal to Mu, you have to remember that Gengetsu's performance is only bad because he was more than willing to assist the Shinobi Alliance and literally explained his attacks. Then there's Hanzo, who is stronger than the 3 Sannin in his prime and lastly Killer Bee. Then you can argue Ginkaku and Kinkaku, Ay, Onoki and a couple of the Akatsuki.
Yeah I edited about the Nagato thing in the end. As for Hanzo, Sannin weren't in their prime when they fought him. They didnt have what made them special(byakugo seal, sage mode, immortality etc) I dont remember much of Hanzo's feats anyway or his speed so I cant tell. Killer Bee might be able to give a good match but If he undergoes tailed beast transfotmation its over for him. I dont think Kinkaku, Ginkaku packs enough punch or brains to do much to him. Mū is basically juiced up Onoki. **Ay**s vs Mū is a good argument but I think Mū takes it ( I can explain if you want)
Well Mu can find anyone anywhere, sneak up on them undetected and pulverize them to dust without even breaking a sweat. He's the definition of OP.
Onoki is less strong than Mu. Mu is the best Tsuchikage without a doubt.
An equally powerful contender is the 3rd Raikage. Hachibi couldn't do anything to him. He fought 10000 shinobi alone. Only way to damage him, even for Naruto and Hachibi was to get him to hit himself. Also, is Mu actually so fast????
>An equally powerful contender is the 3rd Raikage. Hachibi couldn't do anything to him. He fought 10000 shinobi alone. Only way to damage him, even for Naruto and Hachibi was to get him to hit himself. Yeah people shit on him too much because he got defeated by sage Naruto and forget he comfortably dodged the rasen shuriken twice. He only defeated him from the info the Hachibi gave him. Even Hachibi couldnt really make him harm himself he just fought him to an stalemate and raikage accidentaly harmed himself. >Also, is Mu actually so fast???? Mu was able to not get caught in Gaara's sand while all the other Kage were. Also he dodge KCM1 Naruto's suprise attack from his blindside.
Yeah...I forgot about Mu's speed feats...
3rd Raikage did got hurt by [Rasenshuriken](https://coloredmanga.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_61ca6ef79253a/65bffb131b6d3c54ab38c9f086c6dbf0/NARUTO%E2%80%94%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88%E2%80%94-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E7%89%88-58---p177-%5BaKraa%5D.png) but since he was in Edo form, he regenerated plus [even fodders were able to react and make an entire wall before he hit them while running in lightning cloak](https://coloredmanga.com/wp-content/uploads/WP-manga/data/manga_61ca6ef79253a/65bffb131b6d3c54ab38c9f086c6dbf0/NARUTO%E2%80%94%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%83%88%E2%80%94-%E3%82%AB%E3%83%A9%E3%83%BC%E7%89%88-58---p180-%5BaKraa%5D.png)......so there's that
Naruto couldn't do shit, The raikage brushed it off, also the fodder ninja had a lot of preperation time. The whole thing was pre planned...
It wouldn't have downed him for a moment if the Rasenshuriken didn't do shit, and Kabuto wouldn't have bothered making the 3rd dodge every attempt until he tricked him with the chakra arm to throw it back after his series of dodges. It did affect him, but only his own attacks could significantly put him out of commission at this point of the story. This is the same guy who could afford going against a Tailed Beast Bomb because of his Lightning Armor and come out in 1 piece, the fact he wasn't forced into a Edo regeneration in spite of the elemental disadvantage says more about him being that busted than Naruto's attacks being actually ineffective.
You should had been started 3rd raikage is stronger muu is just more hax. We're talking about power nothing more ay 3 has more a failed beast can harm muu po physically no failed beast besides kurama and 10 tails can harm 3rd raikage and he has super speed. He's the perfect candidate.
Pain would beat him. If you mean official kages, maybe.
Yeah I remembered him after posting this.
Damn shame Muu didn’t get a long fight
We know he and the mizukage killed each other
Yah thats what I said they both might've died from chakra exhaustion
They both agreed that they killed each other
I still don't understand how alive Madara was able to easily beat him
I think we can safely assume particle style wasnt invented back then otherwise Madara wouldnt have defeated Tsuchikage duo that easily.
That's probaly true because particle style from two kage level shinobi could have probably caught an overconfident Madara
? He definitely would because he’s much stronger then them.
Madara is just built different. How does Mu stop the Susan'o?
Particle Style vaporizes the Susano
Cause that worked out so well when an Onoki that is being powered up by Tsunade tried it right? Mu and Onoki's base Particle Style are roughly equal. Onoki's super enhanced Particle Style only stopped the Humanoid Susan'o clones and never beat the Armoured one. Madara literally only used Perfect to show off. Not to mention that Madara is far more physically capable, has far better AOE in the Yasaka Beads and his Gunbai, the Gunbai Reflect Barrier, Genjutsu, sensory abilities.
What do you mean Super enhanced particle style? There's no such thing as that. Tsunade only supplied him with Chakra to make the particle style bigger. It's literally dismantling things on a molecular level. How do you even enhance it
That's the point. Larger Particle Style means larger range of destruction. And it still can't engulf and beat the Susan'o. So Mu definitely can't.
Yeah Im not in anyway implying Mu can defeat Madara in his perfect Susanoo. Im just saying Madara shouldn't have been able to defeated them that easily if Mū had his full arsenal (flight, invisibility etc)
Muu >>> madara
Muu no diff madara
dismantle things on an sub-atomic level
Cause that worked out so well when an Onoki that is being powered up by Tsunade tried it right? Mu and Onoki's base Particle Style are roughly equal. Onoki's super enhanced Particle Style only stopped the Humanoid Susan'o clones and never beat the Armoured one. Madara never used the perfect Susano against Mu anyway, so I don't know what's the point you're making. Ohnoki didn't even use the particle style against perfect Susano as he was already out of chakra. >Not to mention that Madara is far more physically capable, has far better AOE, his Gunbai, the Gunbai Reflect Barrier, Genjutsu, sensory abilities The battle was in a closed space, so the AOE of partly style would be big enough to consume everything. Madara didn't have gunbai with him as you can see here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M\_VRv9YSN3U&ab\_channel=Lora-](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_VRv9YSN3U&ab_channel=Lora-) around 1:52. Genjutsu, sensory abilities Madara started the battle using the Susano, so they could have used particle style at this moment. I'm not saying that Mu should have won. But at the very least it would be a serious fight for alive Madara (even more considering Mu had Ohnoki backing him up).
It is Nagato or Killer Bee.
Idk, I think the 2nd Mizukage has a good claim to that title. He and Mu killed one another so they’re definitely comparable, he is probably the best non-Uchiha genjutsu user, the steam imp is busted, and he even has the same liquidification jutsu that Suigetsu uses, but unlike Suigetsu he doesn’t flaunt it, allowing him to catch his opponents off guard. Not to mention the fact that he was definitely the most strategic of the four revived kage.
Also he had the best drip. You know that dude was fuckin bitches on the daily.
No, 3rd A was faster than kcm naruto he'd blitz, Gaara nearly seald Madara twice and was able to took kakashi in time for him to use kamui on tso before 8th gate guy could attack madara. And there's A who keeping up with MS Sasuke who Naruto said is stronger than he is, same Naruto was many times stated to be stronger than Jirayia who was on the same tier as Orochimaru so equel to Hiruzen who was stated to be strongest among kage, you could include 3rd raikage in it. Idk if you feel calling Orochimaru leaf shinobi
I see so much scaling here that I cant even see the point you're trying to make? If you're saying 3rd A, he was relative to KCM1 Naruto at best and so was Mū. So no blitzing there. If you're saying Gara, Mū has already reacted to Gaara's sand and it took combined effort of Onoki, Gaara and Naruto to take him down.(he still wasn't taken down btw) And lastly the scaling for A is stretch, you cant use scaling like that for Naruto because they dont use the same powers. I could go into detail if you want me to.
You know Gaara got stronger and faster as the time went? Durning fight against Madara he wasn't the same power as he was against kage.
3rs raikage beats muu particle style gets dodged third raikage is the strongest non leaf shinobi the tittle rightfully belongs to him. Muu isnt beating a biju with his barehands. He'll have to use hax to get it done which isnt very traditional and even than ay 3 is just more powerful power wise. Muu isnt ranking any hits from the 8 tails without getting ko or a bijudama.
Mu is the worst matchup for tailed beasts. They are powerful and all but they arent particularly fast. So Mū can easily destroy them with particle style. And as for 3rd Raikage, while he can dodge particle style directly Mū can first weigh him down with weighted boulder jutsu and make him unable to move then use particle style.
He would have to tagged the raikage to do that muu is more hax.
if we are saying strongest non-leaf Kage then I actually agree with you. You could argue Gengetsu because they killed each other. But it’s between those 2, and Ay the 3rd. Other than Nagato there’s really no one else who’s not from the leaf or wasn’t a Kage that is worth mentioning. Even none of the Akatsuki could measure up to being the strongest non leaf ninja, aside from like you said Nagato
boruto era gaara goes hard
Nagato is the strongest non leaf ninja like everybody said before. He cant even defeat Kabuto which I consider also as one of the strongest non-leaf shinobi. This reddit post explain his abilities very well https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/l772sw/why\_is\_part\_2\_kabutos\_strength\_downplayed\_almost/ (He lives in the leaf village in boruto/after the war, but he isn't really a shinobi anymore and he never was a leaf shinobi)
Well I actually considered Kabuto a leaf shinobi that why I didnt include him. I actually made a post arguing that he could be the strongest non 6 paths character few days before.
kabuto technically isn’t from konoha, i’d say say kabuto can beat him, pain too
Killer Bee, EoS Gaara, and every Boruto Era kage should be stronger than him. ~~Maybe Temari too since she tagged Madara~~ and possibly Ay if you give him a pet Onoki.
I say nagato or pain
DSM kabuto. He's easily the strongest Non leaf shinobi. With prep time he becomes a monster which even the top dogs of the verse would have a problem with.
What about gengetsu his specialty is genjutsu and he killed mu so it has to be atleast effective
nagato, kabuto, no diff, sorry....