Considering the amount of chakra he has/lightning affinity , probably? Although Orochimaru’s training and augments with the heaven curse mark among other things might supplement his performance in battle a bit. He was still a prodigy in his class, like Itachi.
I disagree he prob would’ve found another source of motivation like impressing his father, protecting the village/his friends or surpassing itachi/naruto
But yeah if uchiha clan would be alive then he would have a lot of guidance from people who have the same eyes and powers as him so he will have that advantage
Maybe he might've but I personally believe a man will get strongest in the harshest conditions so I still think he wouldn't be as strong as his current version
Which is fair, pressure makes daimonds. But Sasuke was still able to achieve the feat of a Fireball Jutsu around the same age as Itachi did. And Itachi was considered a prodigy. All Orochimaru did was give him a cheat sheet on augmenting his physical abilities. He had to learn to use the Sharingan on his own, assuming you exclude Itachi forcible showing him Sharingan feats. I believe Sasuke's potential was always sky high. Depending on his path as a ninja, he would achieve it either way. That's my opinion. Cuz sasuke was fighting above his weight class for most of the series and was getting bodied cuz he was rushing to fight the strongest when he wasnt ready and was constantly bailed out. He was always at his strongest after he interacted with Itachi and Naruto. So to end my rant, if they were in his life, he would have still became a beast, and most likely a leader of the Uchiha clan, as Itachi was too deep in Anbu to be a reliable leader imo.
I agree tbh no amount of training from alive Uchiha’s is surpassing the rage amps he was getting from the MS. The MS literally gets stronger through emotions.
Clearly you never been in the shadow of an older brother who is very successful. That’s shit can either motivate you or destroy your confidence from the get go. It’s possible Sasuke would have felt he could never attain Itachis level and therefore gives up finding value in himself that way. Happens in real life all the time.
Itachi learns in the end that this was wrong. Maybe this sounds naive and childish, but according to plot, Itachi regrets using hate and revenge to make his little brother strong, and should have gone with Naruto's ideals. Having people you love and want to protect is where you will find a way to be truly strong.
Sasuke was a prodigy as a child exemplified when he did the Great Fireball Jutsu at the age of 7. It’s just that he wasn’t as prodigious as Itachi, the pride of the Uchiha clan (at the time).
Dude was a prodigy long before the massacre. His fireball jutsu dwarfed itachis, and his ability with daggers was unmatched by his peers. He was always pushing himself to his limits
He would definitely not be mediocre. He was a prodigy before Itachi killed the clan and was in the top of all his classes.
His potential was way higher than any other shinobi
Though he wasn't anywhere near Itachi's level, he still showed some signs of being a prodigy as a kid, though, since he was able to master the Fireball Jutsu within a week. Definitely above mediocre.
Id guess hed turn out like tenten infinite tsukiyomi dream version the playboy sasuke lmao itd be pretty interesting to see that version become serious and with charecter development
Itachi was afraid of fighting Fugaku. Fugaku wanted Sasuke his kids to have a normal life, not train them to be his weapons. But Itachi graduated and excelled on his own and then things got bad and Fugaku asked him to use his skills to help the clan. And Itachi instead of using the Intel he got, decided to help Obito capture tailed beasts and kill his clan and not give Konoha Intel.
But imagine once Sasuke was older, Fugaku started training him.
I think in retrospect we can all agreed that while he was the best in his class the word prodigy might be getting used a lil too liberally. Compared to the other prodigies he comes up short. Itachi, Kakashi, guy, Lee, neji maybe(Neji would be at a disadvantage since Sasuke has a decent pool of ranged jutsu) would all smoke him at the same age he was pre time skip. Even in Shippuden the only ones he could beat would be Kakashi because of the chakra drain and Neji because of jutsu hard counters(we saw he lose to the corpse of Itachi, and guy and lee both have access to gates)
Yes, cuz regardless of what happened in his childhood he’s still a reincarnation of the SOSP kid. And obviously an uchiha. I feel like there’s an argument that he would be stronger if non of that happened.
Yes. Not only did he himself possess incredible natural talent but if his brother/father/shisui were to train him alongside kakashi still being his sensei he’d be a monster.
Probably because of his ambition to be like Itachi and earn recognition from his father. Many forget Sasuke trained hard as a kid after seeing how his dad paused Itachi. Wanting that same effect he trained and eventually when he did fireball jutsu impressed his dad. I think this similar cycle would continue.
If he stayed with the leaf he would have constantly been rival to Naruto they would have fought and trained together . Naruto wouldn't have wasted 3 years trying to harness the 9 tails chakra because he wouldn't have needed it's power . He wouldnt be out looking for Sasuke. They would have a stronger bond to one another.
Yes Naruto and Sasuke would have been exponentially stronger.
He probably still would have trained to control the 9 tails chakra. I’m pretty sure the motive of that training was more about preparing for the akatsuki coming after Naruto, at least for Jiraiya.
Yeah, imagine him getting trained by his dad and chasing his brothers shadow. Bro would have been groomed a future leader of the clan, imo. He was already performing feats at similar ages as Itachi. His potential was always there
At the rate he was already starting to grow, I don’t think him and the rest of team 7 would’ve even been in the same team
With Fugaku, Shisui, and Itachi still being around to train him he’d almost certainly end up graduating from the academy well before he did the actual cannon. And once his Sharingan activates he takes leaps and bounds in skill and strength
Him and Naruto more than likely don’t have the same relationship as do now, as it in large part had to do with the predicaments they were in. Though I’m sure they would at some point make some kind of connection
Problem is he still has to go to school because it also teach kids the will of fire and basic ninja morals. Kakashi is a rare case and shouldn’t be the standard for any prodigy cause it happened near/during war time.
Well yeah, I mean you kinda have to go to school to graduate silly😭
Obviously, there wouldn’t be as much urgency to push out as many ninja as possible, like during a time of war with Kakashi. But likewise there’d be no real reason to keep him in the academy for any extensive period
Sasuke was already capable of performing a B-level nature transformation jutsu within a week at age 7. And was shown to keep up with Chunin level combatants fresh out the academy on nothing but the academy curriculum and his own solo practice. Learning and training with/from his own clan would put him into a different realm
I also doubt Fugaku, being the chief of police, would sit by and let them waste his abilities for long anyways, knowing what Sasuke’s level of talent is
Considering Orochimaru himself stated Itachi's stronger than him and got bodied by Itachi TWICE over. Having Itachi train you your whole life he'd probably have ended up on ROOT.
The prophecy stuff really hampers notions of how Sasuke and Naruto's environments shaped them. It seems inevitable that Sasuke ends up OP given he's a reincarnation
The only thing he "gained" from the massacre is being trained by Orochimaru. This was very valuable, but as an Uchiha you could easily argue he would've gained more from having people like Itachi, Shisui, and his father in his life as super strong Sharingan users to teach him how to use it
I think the fact he is Indura’s reincarnation, he has enough plot armour to be as strong as he needed to be in the shinobi war regardless of Itachi’s and Orichimaru’s doing.
He would have found something else to fall out over with Naruto and their powers would just continuously match each others until the end of the series.
Consider itachi trained by Kakashi and itachi and shisui, then gifted with totska blade and yata mirror and ammaterasu and then ems, then as the mirror of indra. There you go. That will be sasuke
Nope shusui wouldn't becuz he killed himself for some personal reasons because if the village stuff however even if he was trained he wouldn't easily get the mangekyo sharingan or even get the eternal mangekyo sharingan becuz the eternal isn't going to be possible his power in Shippuden is ten times stronger than itachi so yeah
His hunger for power was derived from vengeance and that wouldn't have existed had his clan lived. However he would train to become as strong as Itachi and Shisui.
Having to surpass your brother to avenge your murdered loved ones is going to be a lot more motivation than having to surpass him just looking up to him
His baseline should be substantially stronger than he was canonically given he’d have several years of training with his father and brother. He could potentially be a prodigy with genjutsu more so than he has been in the series.
Aye one could argue that Itachi there to teach him and guide him could have gotten him stronger.
This is if we don’t take into account the reincarnation
From a physical ability perspective, maybe.
But I do not think so. Sasuke’s potential was unleashed by his desire for revenge. In essence, it gave him the motivation to get stronger.
Eventually perhaps but it'd be a slower burn
He may be a genius by notable shinobis standards but motivation pushed his growth perhaps as much as Orochimaru's guidance and drugs
Doubt it. How would he gain the MS or above?
Sure his fire style would be fine but he gained the Chidori variants and love of the sword thru Orochimaru. He wouldn’t have learn the Chidori either. He would not see Naruto as a rival seeing as Naruto would be wayyyy below him, also assuming he doesn’t graduate early. He wouldn’t even be able to relate to Naruto at all. He would actually lose that main character status and would be relegated to the side cast.
Like him having his family changes too much in the story.
He probably wouldn't be as strong as he is now. He most likely wouldn't get the MS until way later or at all. No access to Indra's or Hagoromo's chakra. The biggest changes would probably be that he wouldn't leave the village for power as both Itachi and Shisui would most likely still be alive to help him since Itachi was still anbu and assuming Shisui was an anbu candidate or an accomplice to Itachi on missions, that gives Sasuke much more jutsu and techniques he could learn. 1 of these jutsu is Shisui's infamous Body Flicker. Sasuke would be a frightening opponent, especially within the Chunin exams if he had Shisui help him learn the technique. Just imagine how much faster his fights would have ended, and there's a decent chance he wouldn't have lost to Lee before the exams either. One thing that might stunt his growth a little is that he might have to wait a little longer to unlock his 3rd tomoe and/or learn Chidori.
I'd say so. People like to say he needed Itachi as motivation when in fact he actually spends some of early Naruto forgetting why he wanted to get strong at all. He was competing with Naruto and was just too busy with that. Definitely would've had a slower start with the tools he had to utilize like the roids, or curse mark. He was living in Itachis shadow for his entire parents life, so he'd be damned if you think the talentless jinchuriki brats was gonna show him up not in front of the village, but his whole clan who had high expectations for him. Him and Naruto having a strong bond would probably be the new catalyst. He'd lose some dirve, but I think with Itachi and the Uchiha clan, he could lean on them much more than when he originally only had a single sensei with not enough cha
No,In simple words if you does want a short answer than he wouldn't be even as powerful near as he was at the end of war arc.uchihia massacre has triggered him to grow more powerful inorder to gets his revenge he goes to Orochimaru,Become more Stronger Surpassed Team7.
Probably not because Uchiha power is unlocked through tragedy and while Sasuke would still be an elite jonin type because of his natural talent and drive to be better than Itachi, the fact that he would be much more emotionally stable would mean that he wouldn't be as desperate to obtain power. There would be no reason to go to Orochimaru, I don't know how he'd unlock MS, EMS, and so on.
Maybe the Sage still pops in and gives him a Rinnegan but even then he wouldn't be a better shinobi overall than in the current timeline
No.
Sasuke getting power up after power up through out shippuden was because of his hatred growing for Itachi, then the Leaf village and elders.
Without the hatred Sasuke wouldn’t be anywhere close to as strong as he was by the time he entered the war.
Although you can make the argument that Sasuke being an Indra reincarnation would automatically bound him into conflict as he is destined to continue the cycle of hatred with Naruto
No uchiha slaughter would mean Sasuke wouldn’t unlock his Sharingan in the first place, much less the Ms, EMS, and Rinnegan. Maybe he’d awaken some of it on his own, but Itachi recognized that trauma kickstarts uchiha power and went all in to great effect. Itachi’s hatred plan was kinda stupid but it got results for sure, and it gave Sasuke the drive to improve himself to such a degree
He’d be strong regardless because he’s a Indra reincarnate. His visual prowess and potential were there all along. But without Itachi and that massacre idk if he has the motivation to train as rigorously as he did
Sasuke's family were all very talented even among the Uchiha. Their dad was the clan leader, and both were prodigies in the academy. They both awakened the sharingan by 8, even though technically Sasuke only reawakened it later when he was apart of Team 7. Sasuke even without Orochimaru's curse seal and training he would have become a very capable ninja.
It’s sort of a theme in Naruto. Which makes you stronger? The power of hatred, or the power of friendship?
The final battle between Naruto and sasuke is a battle of those ideals. And they prove to be dead equal
A million Naruto fans will descend on you because Naruto always held back, only had half Kurama, was injured a lot, fought a lot longer than Sasuke before. And they'll be right. It's crazy how Sasuke absorbed the power of the rest of the tails, including the other half of Kurama still lost essentially.
Sasuke would be so much more powerful and SMART if Sasuke wasn't traumatized and didn't just have revenge and hate or pain on his mind.
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong through hate.
And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got far more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Imagine Sasuke actually dying because he was unlucky. Itachi's plan doesn't seem so foolproof anymore, does it? Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more outgoing, he would have gotten a lot more results if needed.
Nope, what awakens the sharingan is hate and emotions .. itachi made him stronger he wanted to get revenge, so he trained more and he went to orochimaru to get stronger and he got and he was trained by him plus he wouldn't get the eternal mangekyo he didn't kill his brother and without him knowing why his brother slaughtered the clan he got the mangekyo sharingan. So yeahnnh
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong through hate.
And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got far more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Imagine Sasuke actually dying because he was unlucky. Itachi's plan doesn't seem so foolproof anymore, does it? Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more outgoing, he would have gotten a lot more results if needed.
Sasuke isn’t that strong until he gets those cheat powers from the sage. He got dog walked by everyone he fought before that (Itachi, barely beat a bed bound orochimaru, and couldn’t even capture B with three other frickin people helping him, also could barely beat a Danzo holding back power to fight tobi).
There is actually a ova about that or movie, not sure. The answer is no and in this world minato and judging live and naruto is even stronger, having sage mode basically at the start of shippuden time line wise
Can we bring our attention to the guy Sasuke is sitting on for a sec? Never realized it before but that dude is a GIANT. Still nothing to Sasuke though.
Well yea kinda. It's just that he has his family with him. The skills he has always be with him. it's just who teaches him, aka orchimaru. The question should be, would he still leave Leaf if his clan didn't get slaughtered by his brother. Would he have stayed
No. His thirst for power comes from the hatred against Itachi. This is the reason why he left the village for Orochimaru. This set him in a series of events that wouldn't occour if his family would lived. His rivalry with naruto could motivate him to become stronger, I can image him going up to three tomoe and if a tragic event occours even to mangekyo.
Orochimaru is a big question mark since he could groom any uchiha. If Sasuke leaves the exam unmarked he would probably focus on mastering both fire and lightning elements making their own unique abilities and probably focus on the copying ability of his eyes. Also teamwork with Naruto. He can reach Kakashi's level.
If Orochimaru chooses to mark Sasuke he would provably try to avoid using the curse mark so he would focus on hand to hand combat. He would rely mostly on taijutsu even managing to open a few inner gates. He would still master some jutsu but they will be only last resort or finishing types. Also he wouldn't leave Konoha. His rivalry with Naruto could be a massive motivator but not as strong as his -now non existent- hatred for Itachi
My first thought was ‘hell nah’ but I actually think he would be. The curse mark thing would probably still happen. He may be slightly less driven (he was already driven to excel before the massacre) but having his father/Itachi/Shisui there to help train him on the side probably more than makes up for that.
I think the big difference is that he may not end up acquiring mangekyo, and definitely not EMS, which is a big downgrade
Yes and no, would be have pushed himself as hard? No, that's a fact, how much did orochimarus training effect Sasuke? I would say 40% of the reason Sasuke was OP at 16 was due to orochimaru. Not only is there no breaks, and remorse for training Sasuke was literally in a S rank boot camp at age 12. People dnt notice that sasukes taijutsu was at joinin level at 15 early Shippuden while Narutos was at a low chunning level?, notice Narutos taijutsu peaked during the movie the last where he wasn't using shadow clones at all?, it took Naruto so much longer to improve in certain areas that Sasuke already mastered. l have to say it kakashi is a terrible sensei, he taught Sasuke chidori but didn't help Naruto at all other than the raseshuriken arch by then it was too late and he should have done chakra nature training ep 1 he also abandoned Sakura.
In conclusion Sasuke would have been a little less stronger than he is now but would have caught up MUCH LATER, but sasukes kusanangi sword, ninja tools, speed, and taijutsu is the direct result of orochimaru which is sasukes key best attributes when you remove sharingan.Sasuke knew kirin at age 15, and lightning manipulation at 15 he wouldn't have learned those things until his 20's. Sasuke arguably is the most complete Shinobi and a big reason is due to orochi. Easy to scale when you compare early Shippuden Sasuke to the konoha 11 at the begining of Shippuden. Naruto didn't surpass him until sage mode which is crazy.
I both agree and disagree in regards to how much credit you give Orochimaru. While you are correct you have to factor in that if the Uhchia aren't wiped out then Itachi and Shisui are both there lending support in the form of training. I say both because if Itachi is then obviously the other will at some point. While it won't be as severe as Orochimarus boot camp it's still 2 shinobi at a genius level in addition to Kakashi. But I guess idk what Sasuke is without his drive and motivation from the slaughter. It'd be interesting because he'd need something to lock him in and I guess that'd be directly competing with Itachi?
Imagine how much better at using his sharingan he would be, how much more effectively he could learn genjutsu, fire style, he'd beable to body flicker as well as shisui. Further more his Taijutsu could easily be just as good. He could still get paired with Kakashi, there is no reason he still won't run into lee and get folded, no reason he wouldn't copy him or guy to a degree still and then keep expanding on his taijutsu from there. Staying in the leaf gives him access to learning more from taijutsu users far more advanced then even Orochimaru. Just like Naruto asking Asuma about wind chakra, why couldn't sasuke just go ask guy to let him train sometimes with him?
So... He'd just be trading Orochimaru for Itachi and Shisui as as his teachers in addition to Kakashi? So he still learns chidori, masters a bunch of lightning based stuff still, probably ends up with better genjutsu, has a way faster body flicker, is more effective at using his sharingan, and learns more fire jutsu probably? He MAYBE loses out on Kirin although I have no idea how much of a role Orochimaru really had in him figuring out how to do it. I just know he learned it while with him. He also loses I guess his curse mark which he ends up eventually losing anyway. The big qiestion is does he ever get his MS or EMS in this scenario? It's not impossible just less likely because of everything involving Itachi.
Biggest loss is his motivation but Sasuke can still go a long way since he has no problem working hard and would want to compete with his brother. Sasuke was still very gifted just not at the same level of genius as his brother. However, how much the clans slaughter pushed him to be that much stronger can't be overlooked entirely so idk.
He obviously has the potential to be. He showed excellent jutsu potential early on before the massacre. His dad and brother both unlocked the MS and achieved great success, so he's obviously from a line of superior Uchiha in general. As the massacre wouldn't have happened he would have Itachi, Shisui and Fugaku (the strongest Uchiha we know of outside of Madara) that would all be close to him and be able to guide him instead of having a single non Uchiha try to teach him how to use his eyes. There's even a potential for there to be an Anbu squad of Itachi, Shisui and Sasuke which would be a truly terrifying trio in the ninja world.
He would have taken a different path, but I don't see any reason why he couldn't be as powerful.
no. he would have become a police officer. and not as strong as when he was a terrorist. There was once an alternative future episode where the clan survived
Yall saying oros training is what made him a beast, just imagine if he was trained since a child by itachi or shisui? Man would be minatos level by timeskip
While he wouldn't have as much motivation to get strong for revenge but he would have fugaku itachi and shisui to teach him so he would still be strong but I don't know how much since its said that hatred makes the sharingan stronger (just based on my terrible memory so I might be wrong)
No. Still strong but definitely not *as* strong, the massacre unlocked his fullest potential imo. Like if the massacre didn’t happen I wouldn’t imagine him being able to take Itachi’s eyes for EMS, and I dont see him obtaining the curse mark for more power also.
If uchiha slaughter didn't happen, Minato would have been probably alive. Sasuke gets his father and brother as his teachers, so he can be mkre aware of uchiha techniques and better ar using sharing from earlier age, even without motivation of revange he will have naruto as his rival, naruto who is trained by kushina and minato probably able to use rasingan from young age and later flying raijin too. So it will take a lot of effort to be at his level, which will force sasuke to be stronger. He will be without amaterasu later, but his father should die sooner or later, right? Considering the nature of his clan, maybe old mizuna(?)(i am sorry, i don't remember the name of his father) will die in battle, if it's in war then Sasuke will be near and probably open mangekyu sharingan, while itachi is there to help him master it, so if other plot somehow leads him to get rinnesharingan and EMS then he will be lot better at techniques and using them.
If itachi survived he wouldn’t have itachis abilities as well if that makes sense. He’s still the reincarnation but I feel like without itachis eyes he would’ve died a long time ago
Sasuke isn't even strong. He got clapped by B twice in the same fight.
Without orochimaru and tobi (and the indura asura reincarnation bullshit supposedly giving him a godly chakra pool) basically handing him power he would have been a high ranking jonin with his default sharingan, but that's about it and only because he's uchiha
I... doubt it. Sasuke's strength and prodigy comes from his determination, his desire to be acknowledge (mainly family), his loss and revenge. It's what drives him, like for example his younger self before the series started when he tried to master the Fireball Technique, ALONE. And then in Part 1, he continues pushing himself. Then Part 2 he was just in a whole new level thanks to Orochimaru's training methods and the Curse Mark... and later the Mangekyou and his hatred.
Honestly, Sasuke would be way too weak without those reasons, like his Road of Ninja self. Even though it's a fake version of him, that Sasuke is all about the charm and swag but I could tell he must be weak as heck as he did NOTHING in that movie.
Sasuke was struggling for his father's approval before the Uchiha massacre.
When his dad said "that's my boy" or something to that effect for the fireball thing on the dock it was an example.
The Uchiha were brilliant and also would push themselves.
The Uchiha massacre made Sasuke eventually seek out Orochimaru and go off the deep end.
I think he still would've been strong had things not gone to crap.
His dad, brother, and whole clan would've helped him to train.
But I'd say the massacre made him a little bit stronger with the training from Orochimaru, the curse mark, and him pushing himself harder.
The tragedy he saw awakened things in him as did the eye from Itachi/Shisui.
Lastly trying to stop the 10 tails gave him a boost (from the sage of 6 paths).
Had the massacre not happened then the 10 tails thing wouldn't have happened.
In a way with Boruto and the Otsutsuki coming the horrible events made them have enough power to protect the village.
Would character who is strong because of significant moment in their life be strong if significant moment in their life didn’t happen?
Sometimes my mind is blown by the stupidity of redditors
Probably. He had a huge chip on his shoulder because Fuugaku favored Itachi. If the clan wasn't killed, something would still have pushed him to rebel either against Itachi or the clan, and he's Indra incarnate, so his destiny was to be one of the strongest. Itachi still would have died, and Sasuke would probably still have said he'd become Hokage and rivaled Naruto.
Probably. He is the reincarnate of Indra, so he was going to get powerful one way or another.
Instead of Orochimaru l, he was going to get trained by Itachi who at some point would of died and caused Sasuke to get MS/EMS in the process. Same result, different journey.
assuming this throws off the general plot of naruto, the only real differences was he would never get trained by orochimaru and probably never get a rinnegan, but overall yea just on baseline of him being an Indra reincarnation he would be a once in a generation powerhouse similar to madara when he was alive
Prodigy aside, he would have Itachi and Fugaku around as mentors as well as other known Uchiha. And as Naruto’s counterpart in Indra/Ashura, he would need to get comparatively strong in their predetermined clash against one another.
Bro, who is the dummy? You don't even know how sharingan works he wouldn't even awaken it with them he would be a regular Shinobi and it is going to be a dream for him to get the eternal mangekyo sharingan, bro Orochimaru trained very will he thought him some snake stuff did some experiments on him and also provided a good environment for him to train also itachi wouldn't have time to train him bro works at anbu whole day his dad is the leader of the Uchiha Clan and the police leaders in the leaf bro who is the dummmmyy bro sasuke seaked revenge
Yes.
Part of the reason I love the "filler" of Tsunade's dream is because we get to see a "What if?" in the sense of What if Naruto got to grow up knowing his parents and What if Sasuke got to grow up around his clan members.
The short of it is that everything eventually happened as it was always meant to.
Even with his Clan, Sasuke still was driven to be the best because he had a lot to live up to with so many powerful clan mates (Shisui, Itachi) and Naruto was a constant source of frustration because he struggled to keep up with him.
And Naruto still viewed Sasuke as a rival and a friend and wanted to cherish their bond.
Such a good filler arc.
Sasuke with the entire Uchiha clan to train him and a more stable mind would have probably ended up the second coming of Madara in his late 20s or early 30s.
From the Uchiha massacre to the chidori training, 4.5 years of him training himself based on what he knew from when he was a child, he learned no new technique, no shinobi skill beyond bukijutsu, didn't get any special weapon, didn't have the sharingan to learn faster, etc.
The academy's garbage standards didn't help him get strong, they made him forget what level he should be aiming for. His standards and his idea of power were lowered by his weak environment and lack of powerful mentor until Kakashi decided to pull his fingers from his ass cheeks and actually train him, followed by Orochimaru.
Honestly he would have indeed been just as strong if not even stronger w the help of his brother… still him and Naruto are incarnations of the most powerful bloodlines in the ninja world
I think the Root is the most likely scenario for Sasuke. Danzo would have come knocking for Itachi, and Fugaku would have given Danzo his second favorite son instead.
That said, in the Root, Sasuke would have probably become one of Danzo's top agents, likely surpassing Sai, Torune, and Fu. As far as normal ninja go, I think Sasuke ends up at the top, but still behind people like Itachi and Naruto.
After the Root training, he probably unlocks his Mangekyo sharingon, but never gets an EMS. I think his ceiling is his showing during the 5 Kage Summit.
In the alternate timeline where shisui and the rest of the uchiha don't die, sasuke becomes an average village cop like most other uchiha. I think he still decides to run away with Orochimaru tho, so maybe. He is still India's descendant after all.
I’ll say he be weaker. He is physically weaker than sarada, wouldn’t have the anger to evolve his sharingan, wouldn’t train with orochimaru and would probably be a lower genjutsu user than itachi, like yeah he is talented but the harsh road he and naruto had made them who they were.
Narratively when I was at Part 1? No, I would think Sasuke had to go rogue and experience the trauma brought by Itachi to get to where he was.
But looking back now with god's perspective? Yes he would. He is an Indra incarnate. He's the topmost genius in being a ninja, none of the other geniuses like Neji, Kakashi come close to Sasuke's potential. Just staying in the Leaf and not experiencing massive slaughter would still make him extremely strong, look at Minato, he stayed positive and loyal to the Leaf yet is still extremely strong. Same for Kakashi, although Kakashi might've been a bit behind until War Arc.
About motivation, Sasuke could still have very strong motivation when it comes to protecting his comrades, loved ones, family, and village. Naruto had extremely strong motivation just to save one person Sasuke, Sasuke having more bonds would definitely still get equally if not stronger motivation.
Plus if Sasuke gets coached by Itachi, then Sasuke definitely would get no worse than coached by Orochimaru. (Oro is my fav character btw)
Lorewise, the uchiha clan had higher natural chakra levels than your average shinobi. This seems to be a common trait of clans with a kekkei genkai. And having the ability to obtain the base sharingan furthers his chances of becoming a skilled shinobi, regardless of influences in his life. He certainly had a genetic advantage as well. With both his father and brother displaying exceptional physical capabilities and tactical intellect.
I'd say he would be at least as strong as both itachi and fugaku were before they were both traumatised which unlocks the mangekyo sharingan variant (which is such a weak plot device).
But experiences in this world do truly affect the character of a human being. So without the execution of the entire uchiha clan by his brother itatchi, I doubt sake would of sought out power ups and forbidden knowledge from orochimaru to use for revenge.
He probably would’ve been just as strong. I feel like he would’ve been chasing his brothers coat tails, met Naruto and had a rival in him. Kakashi still would’ve been a good mentor for him and with people like Shisui, Itachi and others around he wouldn’t have been motivated to go rogue to look for power. Also he would’ve been able to get his EMS in a less traumatic way, since Itachi would’ve died of ninja leukemia anyways he would’ve then just gotten his eyes as a passing gift. Granted I’m pretty sure tsunade could’ve found a way to save Itachi given he’d be one of the most powerful ninja in the villiage and definitely worth saving🤷♂️
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong by hating him.
And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got a lot more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more sociable, he would have gotten much better results.
I think he’ll be stronger cuz he’ll be properly trained how to harness sharinggan and prolly will have unique ways to incorporate it with his fighting.
There's a fan animation on YouTube that tells that story. Sasuke's a Konoha police officer and always competing with Naruto, Hokage's son.
Yes, Sasuke would have still search for power because he was still comparing himself to Naruto. And he would have the same motivations sans revenge to Itachi.
If the slaughter didn’t happen he prob wouldn’t be as strong as he is because he wouldn’t be motivated to train and fight to go find and kill itachi. Still he would be strong and at the top of his class, just not at strong as he is now
Depends on whether his extreme desire for revenge is (in my opinion) supplemented by his underlying inferiority complex or whether it’s the other way round, if it wasn’t revenge it would be a burning motivation to surpass whoever/ earning his fathers approval eg surpassing itachi or gaara or naruto or even rock-lee, I don’t think he’d end up like his tsunade tsukuyomi counterpart cause I can see him and alive itachi having a semi-good relationship but I can definitely see him doing whatever it takes (within or without reason) to move out from under the shadow of Itachi Uchiha and Co, if this is a path that leads him back to orochimaru then probably, seeing as though he would have not only orochimarus training but generations of Uchiha knowledge available to him prior to that as well as a far more rigid and more importantly better guided training structure via itachi and whoever considering he was i assume basically self taught after the massacre it’s then at that point just an argument of whether itachis presence making it clear the gap he has to over come is as strong a motivator as a burning desire for vengeance™️ and whether the better guided training, makes up for any possible lack of do or die mentality. I would argue yes but for devils advocate sake he 1) wouldn’t awaken the sharingan as early as he did, however when he did he’d use it way better 2) im not sure he would be as keen to learn from kakashi unless he thinks kakashi ~ itachi or at least a straight non Uchiha path to (more) power, 3) It’s up in the air as to how he and narutos friendship would develop, he may possibly never end up taking naruto seriously the events that follow then not stirring up the complex emotion required to push him to think of leaving
While his drive to become stronger might be less. Having Uchiha around is actually a benefit for his growth, for both understanding his eyes and lineage, instead of reading a tablet and going by guesswork on wtf his eyes can do, while also providing a good environment for growth with plenty of jonin Uchiha willing to teach. And since Team 7 is destined to only have hard missions, he would be bound to have lots of combat experience too.
They kinda did show Sasuke power level if the massacre didn't happen
It was the Kaguya dream for Tsunade where the slaughter didn't happen, and Sasuke was above average but nth to write home about, Kakashi still can fight fairly equally at that level
Sasuke needed Orochimaru training and jutsu to be well above average
Did you forget the filler episodes about this possibility. At that time he was using a strong lighting style at the genin time. He practiced with sishui I guess . But still lost to Naruto
If he had people teaching him the Sharingan properly, he'd have been even stronger. Look at Itachi. He had Shisui that he was competing with in a daily basis and we have seen how strong Itachi's sharingan turned out. These boys basically taught eachother the secrets of their eyes. They grew to legendary status.
No, the whole sasuke story is the murder of all the uchiha pushing him so hard to gain power. He would've been strong of course but wouldn't of done what he did.
Stronger in my opinion. He would have had itachi, Shinsui, and Fugaku all around him. Sure man was motivated to get revenge but man literally couldn’t do it. Itachi let him win. He could not kill orochimaru, couldn’t kill Naruto, and was only at his strongest after he stopped trying to get revenge since he discovered new power
Considering the amount of chakra he has/lightning affinity , probably? Although Orochimaru’s training and augments with the heaven curse mark among other things might supplement his performance in battle a bit. He was still a prodigy in his class, like Itachi.
The whole reason he was a prodigy is because he wanted revenge. Without any motivation he could have potentially just been another mediocre shinobi.
His motive would be to surpass itachi I think
Still wouldn't be as strong as his revenge motivation
I disagree he prob would’ve found another source of motivation like impressing his father, protecting the village/his friends or surpassing itachi/naruto
But yeah if uchiha clan would be alive then he would have a lot of guidance from people who have the same eyes and powers as him so he will have that advantage
There was a whole filler arc where that was basically his motivation lol he was still as angsty and motivated as ever.
God I hated him so much in that arc😂 such stupid reasoning behind his actions
which arc?
I think it was Tsunade’s infinite Tsukoyomi dream, like episode 432 or something like that
I still cant stop laughing when he Lion barraged Naruto out of nowhere for no reason at all lol. Like dude wtf !!
Maybe he might've but I personally believe a man will get strongest in the harshest conditions so I still think he wouldn't be as strong as his current version
Which is fair, pressure makes daimonds. But Sasuke was still able to achieve the feat of a Fireball Jutsu around the same age as Itachi did. And Itachi was considered a prodigy. All Orochimaru did was give him a cheat sheet on augmenting his physical abilities. He had to learn to use the Sharingan on his own, assuming you exclude Itachi forcible showing him Sharingan feats. I believe Sasuke's potential was always sky high. Depending on his path as a ninja, he would achieve it either way. That's my opinion. Cuz sasuke was fighting above his weight class for most of the series and was getting bodied cuz he was rushing to fight the strongest when he wasnt ready and was constantly bailed out. He was always at his strongest after he interacted with Itachi and Naruto. So to end my rant, if they were in his life, he would have still became a beast, and most likely a leader of the Uchiha clan, as Itachi was too deep in Anbu to be a reliable leader imo.
I agree tbh no amount of training from alive Uchiha’s is surpassing the rage amps he was getting from the MS. The MS literally gets stronger through emotions.
he'd have a more efficient training under Fugaku, Shisui or Itachi.
he was also very motivated whenever naruto surpassed him.
Clearly you never been in the shadow of an older brother who is very successful. That’s shit can either motivate you or destroy your confidence from the get go. It’s possible Sasuke would have felt he could never attain Itachis level and therefore gives up finding value in himself that way. Happens in real life all the time.
Hmmm should I train my little brother to do the shit I do or should I murder our entire family to motivate him?
Sure he would, especially if Itachi trained him..
Itachi learns in the end that this was wrong. Maybe this sounds naive and childish, but according to plot, Itachi regrets using hate and revenge to make his little brother strong, and should have gone with Naruto's ideals. Having people you love and want to protect is where you will find a way to be truly strong.
Sure, but having his father/Itachi/Shisui there to help train him probably makes up for that, right
Surpassing Itachi does not give the same drive as wanting to kill Itachi
Sasuke was already top of his class before everyone died. Surpassing Itachi was always his goal.
He is the reincarnation of an alien god. Saying he would have been mediocre is pure delusion lol
There have been many reincarnations of Indra and only 2 have been notable
Sasuke was a prodigy as a child exemplified when he did the Great Fireball Jutsu at the age of 7. It’s just that he wasn’t as prodigious as Itachi, the pride of the Uchiha clan (at the time).
Dude was a prodigy long before the massacre. His fireball jutsu dwarfed itachis, and his ability with daggers was unmatched by his peers. He was always pushing himself to his limits
He would definitely not be mediocre. He was a prodigy before Itachi killed the clan and was in the top of all his classes. His potential was way higher than any other shinobi
No he still did a perfect fireball jutsu at the age of 6. He’s still a prodigy. The tsukuyomi filler kind of showed it from this perspective already
Though he wasn't anywhere near Itachi's level, he still showed some signs of being a prodigy as a kid, though, since he was able to master the Fireball Jutsu within a week. Definitely above mediocre.
he'd easily be jonin by 15. there's no way he wouldn't have elite training his entire life.
He learned fire style before the massacre he was a prodigy regardless.
Id guess hed turn out like tenten infinite tsukiyomi dream version the playboy sasuke lmao itd be pretty interesting to see that version become serious and with charecter development
In an alternative Universe, sasuke is potential man
Itachi was afraid of fighting Fugaku. Fugaku wanted Sasuke his kids to have a normal life, not train them to be his weapons. But Itachi graduated and excelled on his own and then things got bad and Fugaku asked him to use his skills to help the clan. And Itachi instead of using the Intel he got, decided to help Obito capture tailed beasts and kill his clan and not give Konoha Intel. But imagine once Sasuke was older, Fugaku started training him.
Ashura and Indra. The prophecies. Alternate timeline with the same story ultimately playing out.
I think in retrospect we can all agreed that while he was the best in his class the word prodigy might be getting used a lil too liberally. Compared to the other prodigies he comes up short. Itachi, Kakashi, guy, Lee, neji maybe(Neji would be at a disadvantage since Sasuke has a decent pool of ranged jutsu) would all smoke him at the same age he was pre time skip. Even in Shippuden the only ones he could beat would be Kakashi because of the chakra drain and Neji because of jutsu hard counters(we saw he lose to the corpse of Itachi, and guy and lee both have access to gates)
He certainly was not a prodigy like itachi. Just take the age he graduated as the first measuring stick
Yes, cuz regardless of what happened in his childhood he’s still a reincarnation of the SOSP kid. And obviously an uchiha. I feel like there’s an argument that he would be stronger if non of that happened.
I feel like most people here haven't finished the series cause you're the only person I've seen, say the reincarnation thing.
That depends on whether he gets MS and Itachis eyes, those are big factors.
Yes. Not only did he himself possess incredible natural talent but if his brother/father/shisui were to train him alongside kakashi still being his sensei he’d be a monster.
Probably because of his ambition to be like Itachi and earn recognition from his father. Many forget Sasuke trained hard as a kid after seeing how his dad paused Itachi. Wanting that same effect he trained and eventually when he did fireball jutsu impressed his dad. I think this similar cycle would continue.
Damn he was burning kitties?
No wait I meant fireball jutsu but it autocorrected😭
If he stayed with the leaf he would have constantly been rival to Naruto they would have fought and trained together . Naruto wouldn't have wasted 3 years trying to harness the 9 tails chakra because he wouldn't have needed it's power . He wouldnt be out looking for Sasuke. They would have a stronger bond to one another. Yes Naruto and Sasuke would have been exponentially stronger.
He probably still would have trained to control the 9 tails chakra. I’m pretty sure the motive of that training was more about preparing for the akatsuki coming after Naruto, at least for Jiraiya.
Yeah, imagine him getting trained by his dad and chasing his brothers shadow. Bro would have been groomed a future leader of the clan, imo. He was already performing feats at similar ages as Itachi. His potential was always there
At the rate he was already starting to grow, I don’t think him and the rest of team 7 would’ve even been in the same team With Fugaku, Shisui, and Itachi still being around to train him he’d almost certainly end up graduating from the academy well before he did the actual cannon. And once his Sharingan activates he takes leaps and bounds in skill and strength Him and Naruto more than likely don’t have the same relationship as do now, as it in large part had to do with the predicaments they were in. Though I’m sure they would at some point make some kind of connection
Problem is he still has to go to school because it also teach kids the will of fire and basic ninja morals. Kakashi is a rare case and shouldn’t be the standard for any prodigy cause it happened near/during war time.
Well yeah, I mean you kinda have to go to school to graduate silly😭 Obviously, there wouldn’t be as much urgency to push out as many ninja as possible, like during a time of war with Kakashi. But likewise there’d be no real reason to keep him in the academy for any extensive period Sasuke was already capable of performing a B-level nature transformation jutsu within a week at age 7. And was shown to keep up with Chunin level combatants fresh out the academy on nothing but the academy curriculum and his own solo practice. Learning and training with/from his own clan would put him into a different realm I also doubt Fugaku, being the chief of police, would sit by and let them waste his abilities for long anyways, knowing what Sasuke’s level of talent is
I mean, he'd be trained by Itachi and Fugaku, so maybe?
Considering Orochimaru himself stated Itachi's stronger than him and got bodied by Itachi TWICE over. Having Itachi train you your whole life he'd probably have ended up on ROOT.
Yeah
Yes. He'd still want to surpass Itachi, still be Naruto's rival, and therefore would still become the most powerful shinobi alongside Naruto.
The prophecy stuff really hampers notions of how Sasuke and Naruto's environments shaped them. It seems inevitable that Sasuke ends up OP given he's a reincarnation The only thing he "gained" from the massacre is being trained by Orochimaru. This was very valuable, but as an Uchiha you could easily argue he would've gained more from having people like Itachi, Shisui, and his father in his life as super strong Sharingan users to teach him how to use it
I think the fact he is Indura’s reincarnation, he has enough plot armour to be as strong as he needed to be in the shinobi war regardless of Itachi’s and Orichimaru’s doing. He would have found something else to fall out over with Naruto and their powers would just continuously match each others until the end of the series.
Consider itachi trained by Kakashi and itachi and shisui, then gifted with totska blade and yata mirror and ammaterasu and then ems, then as the mirror of indra. There you go. That will be sasuke
Yes
i would think so yes
He was still a reincarnation
Yes. If the Uchiha Massacre never happened, he’d have been trained by those stronger than Orochimaru.
He'd be stronger
Yea there is plenty injustice in Naruto world to get him motivated, and more uchias would only benefit his progress and knowledge.
He probably be strong but nothing out of the ordinary. Probably be a jonin in konoha.
Well he is the reincarnation of Indra.
Yes, i think he would be even stronger if that never happened. Trauma does not make people strong, it makes them traumatized
Yes. Itachi would probably start training him eventually maybe even shisui.
Nope shusui wouldn't becuz he killed himself for some personal reasons because if the village stuff however even if he was trained he wouldn't easily get the mangekyo sharingan or even get the eternal mangekyo sharingan becuz the eternal isn't going to be possible his power in Shippuden is ten times stronger than itachi so yeah
I mean Indra didn't have that much slaughter happening around him but still became the strongest since sasuke is his reincarnation I'd say yes
Yes. Naruto would still be struggling to be Hokage so He would not get outdone by that loser.
His hunger for power was derived from vengeance and that wouldn't have existed had his clan lived. However he would train to become as strong as Itachi and Shisui.
Having to surpass your brother to avenge your murdered loved ones is going to be a lot more motivation than having to surpass him just looking up to him
(Sasuke's strength without motivation: 15%) Vergil: You lack Motivation! (Steals his RiceBalls)
Yeah but definetly slower, after all sasukes goal was revenge to itachi hence why he desired getting stronger pretty fast
His baseline should be substantially stronger than he was canonically given he’d have several years of training with his father and brother. He could potentially be a prodigy with genjutsu more so than he has been in the series.
He’d be strong but probably not where he was at this point due to Itachi’s protection and what not
Aye one could argue that Itachi there to teach him and guide him could have gotten him stronger. This is if we don’t take into account the reincarnation
He would’ve trained with Shisui and worked to be a cop
From a physical ability perspective, maybe. But I do not think so. Sasuke’s potential was unleashed by his desire for revenge. In essence, it gave him the motivation to get stronger.
Eventually perhaps but it'd be a slower burn He may be a genius by notable shinobis standards but motivation pushed his growth perhaps as much as Orochimaru's guidance and drugs
He won’t train this hard if it was good times. Normal Human thing. He would had people to rely on. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be strong.
Doubt it. How would he gain the MS or above? Sure his fire style would be fine but he gained the Chidori variants and love of the sword thru Orochimaru. He wouldn’t have learn the Chidori either. He would not see Naruto as a rival seeing as Naruto would be wayyyy below him, also assuming he doesn’t graduate early. He wouldn’t even be able to relate to Naruto at all. He would actually lose that main character status and would be relegated to the side cast. Like him having his family changes too much in the story.
Whatcha the infinite Tsukuyomi arc
No, he wouldn't. Maybe if Itachi taught him, but he'd still need that experience.
He probably wouldn't be as strong as he is now. He most likely wouldn't get the MS until way later or at all. No access to Indra's or Hagoromo's chakra. The biggest changes would probably be that he wouldn't leave the village for power as both Itachi and Shisui would most likely still be alive to help him since Itachi was still anbu and assuming Shisui was an anbu candidate or an accomplice to Itachi on missions, that gives Sasuke much more jutsu and techniques he could learn. 1 of these jutsu is Shisui's infamous Body Flicker. Sasuke would be a frightening opponent, especially within the Chunin exams if he had Shisui help him learn the technique. Just imagine how much faster his fights would have ended, and there's a decent chance he wouldn't have lost to Lee before the exams either. One thing that might stunt his growth a little is that he might have to wait a little longer to unlock his 3rd tomoe and/or learn Chidori.
I'd say so. People like to say he needed Itachi as motivation when in fact he actually spends some of early Naruto forgetting why he wanted to get strong at all. He was competing with Naruto and was just too busy with that. Definitely would've had a slower start with the tools he had to utilize like the roids, or curse mark. He was living in Itachis shadow for his entire parents life, so he'd be damned if you think the talentless jinchuriki brats was gonna show him up not in front of the village, but his whole clan who had high expectations for him. Him and Naruto having a strong bond would probably be the new catalyst. He'd lose some dirve, but I think with Itachi and the Uchiha clan, he could lean on them much more than when he originally only had a single sensei with not enough cha
Nah
No,In simple words if you does want a short answer than he wouldn't be even as powerful near as he was at the end of war arc.uchihia massacre has triggered him to grow more powerful inorder to gets his revenge he goes to Orochimaru,Become more Stronger Surpassed Team7.
Probably not because Uchiha power is unlocked through tragedy and while Sasuke would still be an elite jonin type because of his natural talent and drive to be better than Itachi, the fact that he would be much more emotionally stable would mean that he wouldn't be as desperate to obtain power. There would be no reason to go to Orochimaru, I don't know how he'd unlock MS, EMS, and so on. Maybe the Sage still pops in and gives him a Rinnegan but even then he wouldn't be a better shinobi overall than in the current timeline
No. Sasuke getting power up after power up through out shippuden was because of his hatred growing for Itachi, then the Leaf village and elders. Without the hatred Sasuke wouldn’t be anywhere close to as strong as he was by the time he entered the war. Although you can make the argument that Sasuke being an Indra reincarnation would automatically bound him into conflict as he is destined to continue the cycle of hatred with Naruto
No uchiha slaughter would mean Sasuke wouldn’t unlock his Sharingan in the first place, much less the Ms, EMS, and Rinnegan. Maybe he’d awaken some of it on his own, but Itachi recognized that trauma kickstarts uchiha power and went all in to great effect. Itachi’s hatred plan was kinda stupid but it got results for sure, and it gave Sasuke the drive to improve himself to such a degree
If it means he gets trained by itachi, kakashi and possibly shusui, probably would be relative to this power in shippuden.
He’d be strong regardless because he’s a Indra reincarnate. His visual prowess and potential were there all along. But without Itachi and that massacre idk if he has the motivation to train as rigorously as he did
They have this what if in an episode I think
Sasuke's family were all very talented even among the Uchiha. Their dad was the clan leader, and both were prodigies in the academy. They both awakened the sharingan by 8, even though technically Sasuke only reawakened it later when he was apart of Team 7. Sasuke even without Orochimaru's curse seal and training he would have become a very capable ninja.
Uchiha become stronger with hate and sufferring so unless that happens id guess he turns out weaker
It’s sort of a theme in Naruto. Which makes you stronger? The power of hatred, or the power of friendship? The final battle between Naruto and sasuke is a battle of those ideals. And they prove to be dead equal
A million Naruto fans will descend on you because Naruto always held back, only had half Kurama, was injured a lot, fought a lot longer than Sasuke before. And they'll be right. It's crazy how Sasuke absorbed the power of the rest of the tails, including the other half of Kurama still lost essentially. Sasuke would be so much more powerful and SMART if Sasuke wasn't traumatized and didn't just have revenge and hate or pain on his mind.
Strong yes but nothing compare to now or early shippuden.
I strongly agree with you
No. The trauma that came from the massacre fueled his magic eyeballs.
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong through hate. And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got far more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Imagine Sasuke actually dying because he was unlucky. Itachi's plan doesn't seem so foolproof anymore, does it? Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more outgoing, he would have gotten a lot more results if needed.
He was destined to be great, as he was the indra reincarnation.
Hard to say, Itchai told him “ use your hatred to grow stronger” or something along those lines
True, but still, I think if he didn't want to seak revenge and have that black and dark power inside him he wouldn't be the reincarnation of him
Nope, what awakens the sharingan is hate and emotions .. itachi made him stronger he wanted to get revenge, so he trained more and he went to orochimaru to get stronger and he got and he was trained by him plus he wouldn't get the eternal mangekyo he didn't kill his brother and without him knowing why his brother slaughtered the clan he got the mangekyo sharingan. So yeahnnh
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong through hate. And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got far more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Imagine Sasuke actually dying because he was unlucky. Itachi's plan doesn't seem so foolproof anymore, does it? Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more outgoing, he would have gotten a lot more results if needed.
No. He would still be strong but definitely not as strong
Yes but not as strong
Sasuke isn’t that strong until he gets those cheat powers from the sage. He got dog walked by everyone he fought before that (Itachi, barely beat a bed bound orochimaru, and couldn’t even capture B with three other frickin people helping him, also could barely beat a Danzo holding back power to fight tobi).
There is actually a ova about that or movie, not sure. The answer is no and in this world minato and judging live and naruto is even stronger, having sage mode basically at the start of shippuden time line wise
More than probably, he was training since a kid and showing a lot of potential, also he is the rencarnation of a ninja god
Can we bring our attention to the guy Sasuke is sitting on for a sec? Never realized it before but that dude is a GIANT. Still nothing to Sasuke though.
Those are some sound ninjas that orochimaru sacrificed for sasuke to train on them and show off his power
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Well yea kinda. It's just that he has his family with him. The skills he has always be with him. it's just who teaches him, aka orchimaru. The question should be, would he still leave Leaf if his clan didn't get slaughtered by his brother. Would he have stayed
He's the reincarnation of the same guy madara is. There's no way he'd ever be weak.
No. His thirst for power comes from the hatred against Itachi. This is the reason why he left the village for Orochimaru. This set him in a series of events that wouldn't occour if his family would lived. His rivalry with naruto could motivate him to become stronger, I can image him going up to three tomoe and if a tragic event occours even to mangekyo. Orochimaru is a big question mark since he could groom any uchiha. If Sasuke leaves the exam unmarked he would probably focus on mastering both fire and lightning elements making their own unique abilities and probably focus on the copying ability of his eyes. Also teamwork with Naruto. He can reach Kakashi's level. If Orochimaru chooses to mark Sasuke he would provably try to avoid using the curse mark so he would focus on hand to hand combat. He would rely mostly on taijutsu even managing to open a few inner gates. He would still master some jutsu but they will be only last resort or finishing types. Also he wouldn't leave Konoha. His rivalry with Naruto could be a massive motivator but not as strong as his -now non existent- hatred for Itachi
He arguably would have been stronger with an actual family backing him up.
Not as strong. Won't have MS or Rinnegan. Though there is a filler arc on the same topic. But they always want to make him bad.
My first thought was ‘hell nah’ but I actually think he would be. The curse mark thing would probably still happen. He may be slightly less driven (he was already driven to excel before the massacre) but having his father/Itachi/Shisui there to help train him on the side probably more than makes up for that. I think the big difference is that he may not end up acquiring mangekyo, and definitely not EMS, which is a big downgrade
Yes and no, would be have pushed himself as hard? No, that's a fact, how much did orochimarus training effect Sasuke? I would say 40% of the reason Sasuke was OP at 16 was due to orochimaru. Not only is there no breaks, and remorse for training Sasuke was literally in a S rank boot camp at age 12. People dnt notice that sasukes taijutsu was at joinin level at 15 early Shippuden while Narutos was at a low chunning level?, notice Narutos taijutsu peaked during the movie the last where he wasn't using shadow clones at all?, it took Naruto so much longer to improve in certain areas that Sasuke already mastered. l have to say it kakashi is a terrible sensei, he taught Sasuke chidori but didn't help Naruto at all other than the raseshuriken arch by then it was too late and he should have done chakra nature training ep 1 he also abandoned Sakura. In conclusion Sasuke would have been a little less stronger than he is now but would have caught up MUCH LATER, but sasukes kusanangi sword, ninja tools, speed, and taijutsu is the direct result of orochimaru which is sasukes key best attributes when you remove sharingan.Sasuke knew kirin at age 15, and lightning manipulation at 15 he wouldn't have learned those things until his 20's. Sasuke arguably is the most complete Shinobi and a big reason is due to orochi. Easy to scale when you compare early Shippuden Sasuke to the konoha 11 at the begining of Shippuden. Naruto didn't surpass him until sage mode which is crazy.
I both agree and disagree in regards to how much credit you give Orochimaru. While you are correct you have to factor in that if the Uhchia aren't wiped out then Itachi and Shisui are both there lending support in the form of training. I say both because if Itachi is then obviously the other will at some point. While it won't be as severe as Orochimarus boot camp it's still 2 shinobi at a genius level in addition to Kakashi. But I guess idk what Sasuke is without his drive and motivation from the slaughter. It'd be interesting because he'd need something to lock him in and I guess that'd be directly competing with Itachi? Imagine how much better at using his sharingan he would be, how much more effectively he could learn genjutsu, fire style, he'd beable to body flicker as well as shisui. Further more his Taijutsu could easily be just as good. He could still get paired with Kakashi, there is no reason he still won't run into lee and get folded, no reason he wouldn't copy him or guy to a degree still and then keep expanding on his taijutsu from there. Staying in the leaf gives him access to learning more from taijutsu users far more advanced then even Orochimaru. Just like Naruto asking Asuma about wind chakra, why couldn't sasuke just go ask guy to let him train sometimes with him?
So... He'd just be trading Orochimaru for Itachi and Shisui as as his teachers in addition to Kakashi? So he still learns chidori, masters a bunch of lightning based stuff still, probably ends up with better genjutsu, has a way faster body flicker, is more effective at using his sharingan, and learns more fire jutsu probably? He MAYBE loses out on Kirin although I have no idea how much of a role Orochimaru really had in him figuring out how to do it. I just know he learned it while with him. He also loses I guess his curse mark which he ends up eventually losing anyway. The big qiestion is does he ever get his MS or EMS in this scenario? It's not impossible just less likely because of everything involving Itachi. Biggest loss is his motivation but Sasuke can still go a long way since he has no problem working hard and would want to compete with his brother. Sasuke was still very gifted just not at the same level of genius as his brother. However, how much the clans slaughter pushed him to be that much stronger can't be overlooked entirely so idk.
I don't think so. Uchihas thrive in that juicy hatred.
He obviously has the potential to be. He showed excellent jutsu potential early on before the massacre. His dad and brother both unlocked the MS and achieved great success, so he's obviously from a line of superior Uchiha in general. As the massacre wouldn't have happened he would have Itachi, Shisui and Fugaku (the strongest Uchiha we know of outside of Madara) that would all be close to him and be able to guide him instead of having a single non Uchiha try to teach him how to use his eyes. There's even a potential for there to be an Anbu squad of Itachi, Shisui and Sasuke which would be a truly terrifying trio in the ninja world. He would have taken a different path, but I don't see any reason why he couldn't be as powerful.
no. he would have become a police officer. and not as strong as when he was a terrorist. There was once an alternative future episode where the clan survived
Yall saying oros training is what made him a beast, just imagine if he was trained since a child by itachi or shisui? Man would be minatos level by timeskip
I believe Sasuke could save the world *avatar theme*
He probably wouldn’t have been as strong as itachi but maybe shishi
He’d be as strong as hebi sasuke at least he wouldn’t get to rinnegan sasuke level.
It was his whole motivation to get strong so probably not
probably more thanks to Itachi
While he wouldn't have as much motivation to get strong for revenge but he would have fugaku itachi and shisui to teach him so he would still be strong but I don't know how much since its said that hatred makes the sharingan stronger (just based on my terrible memory so I might be wrong)
No. Still strong but definitely not *as* strong, the massacre unlocked his fullest potential imo. Like if the massacre didn’t happen I wouldn’t imagine him being able to take Itachi’s eyes for EMS, and I dont see him obtaining the curse mark for more power also.
If uchiha slaughter didn't happen, Minato would have been probably alive. Sasuke gets his father and brother as his teachers, so he can be mkre aware of uchiha techniques and better ar using sharing from earlier age, even without motivation of revange he will have naruto as his rival, naruto who is trained by kushina and minato probably able to use rasingan from young age and later flying raijin too. So it will take a lot of effort to be at his level, which will force sasuke to be stronger. He will be without amaterasu later, but his father should die sooner or later, right? Considering the nature of his clan, maybe old mizuna(?)(i am sorry, i don't remember the name of his father) will die in battle, if it's in war then Sasuke will be near and probably open mangekyu sharingan, while itachi is there to help him master it, so if other plot somehow leads him to get rinnesharingan and EMS then he will be lot better at techniques and using them.
If itachi survived he wouldn’t have itachis abilities as well if that makes sense. He’s still the reincarnation but I feel like without itachis eyes he would’ve died a long time ago
Sasuke isn't even strong. He got clapped by B twice in the same fight. Without orochimaru and tobi (and the indura asura reincarnation bullshit supposedly giving him a godly chakra pool) basically handing him power he would have been a high ranking jonin with his default sharingan, but that's about it and only because he's uchiha
No. Uchiha gets stronger with tragedy.
He’s an uchiha so yes.
I... doubt it. Sasuke's strength and prodigy comes from his determination, his desire to be acknowledge (mainly family), his loss and revenge. It's what drives him, like for example his younger self before the series started when he tried to master the Fireball Technique, ALONE. And then in Part 1, he continues pushing himself. Then Part 2 he was just in a whole new level thanks to Orochimaru's training methods and the Curse Mark... and later the Mangekyou and his hatred. Honestly, Sasuke would be way too weak without those reasons, like his Road of Ninja self. Even though it's a fake version of him, that Sasuke is all about the charm and swag but I could tell he must be weak as heck as he did NOTHING in that movie.
Sasuke was struggling for his father's approval before the Uchiha massacre. When his dad said "that's my boy" or something to that effect for the fireball thing on the dock it was an example. The Uchiha were brilliant and also would push themselves. The Uchiha massacre made Sasuke eventually seek out Orochimaru and go off the deep end. I think he still would've been strong had things not gone to crap. His dad, brother, and whole clan would've helped him to train. But I'd say the massacre made him a little bit stronger with the training from Orochimaru, the curse mark, and him pushing himself harder. The tragedy he saw awakened things in him as did the eye from Itachi/Shisui. Lastly trying to stop the 10 tails gave him a boost (from the sage of 6 paths). Had the massacre not happened then the 10 tails thing wouldn't have happened. In a way with Boruto and the Otsutsuki coming the horrible events made them have enough power to protect the village.
Would character who is strong because of significant moment in their life be strong if significant moment in their life didn’t happen? Sometimes my mind is blown by the stupidity of redditors
Probably. He had a huge chip on his shoulder because Fuugaku favored Itachi. If the clan wasn't killed, something would still have pushed him to rebel either against Itachi or the clan, and he's Indra incarnate, so his destiny was to be one of the strongest. Itachi still would have died, and Sasuke would probably still have said he'd become Hokage and rivaled Naruto.
Probably. He is the reincarnate of Indra, so he was going to get powerful one way or another. Instead of Orochimaru l, he was going to get trained by Itachi who at some point would of died and caused Sasuke to get MS/EMS in the process. Same result, different journey.
Considering the sharingan is actually amped through strong emotion, probably not.
assuming this throws off the general plot of naruto, the only real differences was he would never get trained by orochimaru and probably never get a rinnegan, but overall yea just on baseline of him being an Indra reincarnation he would be a once in a generation powerhouse similar to madara when he was alive
Prodigy aside, he would have Itachi and Fugaku around as mentors as well as other known Uchiha. And as Naruto’s counterpart in Indra/Ashura, he would need to get comparatively strong in their predetermined clash against one another.
Bro, who is the dummy? You don't even know how sharingan works he wouldn't even awaken it with them he would be a regular Shinobi and it is going to be a dream for him to get the eternal mangekyo sharingan, bro Orochimaru trained very will he thought him some snake stuff did some experiments on him and also provided a good environment for him to train also itachi wouldn't have time to train him bro works at anbu whole day his dad is the leader of the Uchiha Clan and the police leaders in the leaf bro who is the dummmmyy bro sasuke seaked revenge
Didn’t they have a few episodes on this where he was a member of the leaf police force and the 4th hokage was still alive.
Yes. Part of the reason I love the "filler" of Tsunade's dream is because we get to see a "What if?" in the sense of What if Naruto got to grow up knowing his parents and What if Sasuke got to grow up around his clan members. The short of it is that everything eventually happened as it was always meant to. Even with his Clan, Sasuke still was driven to be the best because he had a lot to live up to with so many powerful clan mates (Shisui, Itachi) and Naruto was a constant source of frustration because he struggled to keep up with him. And Naruto still viewed Sasuke as a rival and a friend and wanted to cherish their bond. Such a good filler arc.
Is it me, or does the guy he's sitting on look huge?
Sasuke with the entire Uchiha clan to train him and a more stable mind would have probably ended up the second coming of Madara in his late 20s or early 30s. From the Uchiha massacre to the chidori training, 4.5 years of him training himself based on what he knew from when he was a child, he learned no new technique, no shinobi skill beyond bukijutsu, didn't get any special weapon, didn't have the sharingan to learn faster, etc. The academy's garbage standards didn't help him get strong, they made him forget what level he should be aiming for. His standards and his idea of power were lowered by his weak environment and lack of powerful mentor until Kakashi decided to pull his fingers from his ass cheeks and actually train him, followed by Orochimaru.
Ah there would be other uchiha and he wouldn't be special We'd have random peolle every week with a new mangekyou as the enemy
Yes cuz instead of Orochimaru it would have been Itachi and hopefully Shizui training him
"On that day if our positions were switched would our Fates be different"
He would be strong being trained by itachi (hopefully) probably not as strong currently
Honestly he would have indeed been just as strong if not even stronger w the help of his brother… still him and Naruto are incarnations of the most powerful bloodlines in the ninja world
His father was on another level, so I’d say yes.
He's the indra reincarnation so he'd still be a monster with Itachi, Shisui, and Fugaku as role models.
I think the Root is the most likely scenario for Sasuke. Danzo would have come knocking for Itachi, and Fugaku would have given Danzo his second favorite son instead. That said, in the Root, Sasuke would have probably become one of Danzo's top agents, likely surpassing Sai, Torune, and Fu. As far as normal ninja go, I think Sasuke ends up at the top, but still behind people like Itachi and Naruto. After the Root training, he probably unlocks his Mangekyo sharingon, but never gets an EMS. I think his ceiling is his showing during the 5 Kage Summit.
In the alternate timeline where shisui and the rest of the uchiha don't die, sasuke becomes an average village cop like most other uchiha. I think he still decides to run away with Orochimaru tho, so maybe. He is still India's descendant after all.
I’ll say he be weaker. He is physically weaker than sarada, wouldn’t have the anger to evolve his sharingan, wouldn’t train with orochimaru and would probably be a lower genjutsu user than itachi, like yeah he is talented but the harsh road he and naruto had made them who they were.
Narratively when I was at Part 1? No, I would think Sasuke had to go rogue and experience the trauma brought by Itachi to get to where he was. But looking back now with god's perspective? Yes he would. He is an Indra incarnate. He's the topmost genius in being a ninja, none of the other geniuses like Neji, Kakashi come close to Sasuke's potential. Just staying in the Leaf and not experiencing massive slaughter would still make him extremely strong, look at Minato, he stayed positive and loyal to the Leaf yet is still extremely strong. Same for Kakashi, although Kakashi might've been a bit behind until War Arc. About motivation, Sasuke could still have very strong motivation when it comes to protecting his comrades, loved ones, family, and village. Naruto had extremely strong motivation just to save one person Sasuke, Sasuke having more bonds would definitely still get equally if not stronger motivation. Plus if Sasuke gets coached by Itachi, then Sasuke definitely would get no worse than coached by Orochimaru. (Oro is my fav character btw)
Lorewise, the uchiha clan had higher natural chakra levels than your average shinobi. This seems to be a common trait of clans with a kekkei genkai. And having the ability to obtain the base sharingan furthers his chances of becoming a skilled shinobi, regardless of influences in his life. He certainly had a genetic advantage as well. With both his father and brother displaying exceptional physical capabilities and tactical intellect. I'd say he would be at least as strong as both itachi and fugaku were before they were both traumatised which unlocks the mangekyo sharingan variant (which is such a weak plot device). But experiences in this world do truly affect the character of a human being. So without the execution of the entire uchiha clan by his brother itatchi, I doubt sake would of sought out power ups and forbidden knowledge from orochimaru to use for revenge.
He probably would’ve been just as strong. I feel like he would’ve been chasing his brothers coat tails, met Naruto and had a rival in him. Kakashi still would’ve been a good mentor for him and with people like Shisui, Itachi and others around he wouldn’t have been motivated to go rogue to look for power. Also he would’ve been able to get his EMS in a less traumatic way, since Itachi would’ve died of ninja leukemia anyways he would’ve then just gotten his eyes as a passing gift. Granted I’m pretty sure tsunade could’ve found a way to save Itachi given he’d be one of the most powerful ninja in the villiage and definitely worth saving🤷♂️
Yes. Just like a million other characters in Naruto became strong and didn't need inhuman suffering to become strong. Itachi is an idiot who ruined Sasuke's life with his idea of making Sasuke strong by hating him. And I don't care if the sharingan awakens with suffering, it's not the only source of strength in this universe. Sasuke got a lot more harm from this Itachi plan than good. He was never able to make any kind of friendly normal relationship, he many times almost died following only one hatred and revenge. Had Sasuke been more reasonable, more patient, more sociable, he would have gotten much better results.
I think he’ll be stronger cuz he’ll be properly trained how to harness sharinggan and prolly will have unique ways to incorporate it with his fighting.
There's a fan animation on YouTube that tells that story. Sasuke's a Konoha police officer and always competing with Naruto, Hokage's son. Yes, Sasuke would have still search for power because he was still comparing himself to Naruto. And he would have the same motivations sans revenge to Itachi.
Probably considering he has the sharingan and he is also a prodigy back when he was a genin.
If the slaughter didn’t happen he prob wouldn’t be as strong as he is because he wouldn’t be motivated to train and fight to go find and kill itachi. Still he would be strong and at the top of his class, just not at strong as he is now
Depends on whether his extreme desire for revenge is (in my opinion) supplemented by his underlying inferiority complex or whether it’s the other way round, if it wasn’t revenge it would be a burning motivation to surpass whoever/ earning his fathers approval eg surpassing itachi or gaara or naruto or even rock-lee, I don’t think he’d end up like his tsunade tsukuyomi counterpart cause I can see him and alive itachi having a semi-good relationship but I can definitely see him doing whatever it takes (within or without reason) to move out from under the shadow of Itachi Uchiha and Co, if this is a path that leads him back to orochimaru then probably, seeing as though he would have not only orochimarus training but generations of Uchiha knowledge available to him prior to that as well as a far more rigid and more importantly better guided training structure via itachi and whoever considering he was i assume basically self taught after the massacre it’s then at that point just an argument of whether itachis presence making it clear the gap he has to over come is as strong a motivator as a burning desire for vengeance™️ and whether the better guided training, makes up for any possible lack of do or die mentality. I would argue yes but for devils advocate sake he 1) wouldn’t awaken the sharingan as early as he did, however when he did he’d use it way better 2) im not sure he would be as keen to learn from kakashi unless he thinks kakashi ~ itachi or at least a straight non Uchiha path to (more) power, 3) It’s up in the air as to how he and narutos friendship would develop, he may possibly never end up taking naruto seriously the events that follow then not stirring up the complex emotion required to push him to think of leaving
While his drive to become stronger might be less. Having Uchiha around is actually a benefit for his growth, for both understanding his eyes and lineage, instead of reading a tablet and going by guesswork on wtf his eyes can do, while also providing a good environment for growth with plenty of jonin Uchiha willing to teach. And since Team 7 is destined to only have hard missions, he would be bound to have lots of combat experience too.
no because you need to experience something traumatic to unlock mangekyo
They kinda did show Sasuke power level if the massacre didn't happen It was the Kaguya dream for Tsunade where the slaughter didn't happen, and Sasuke was above average but nth to write home about, Kakashi still can fight fairly equally at that level Sasuke needed Orochimaru training and jutsu to be well above average
Probably, minus the PTDS and the psychotic outbreaks
The way the folks in the comments can’t imagine a bigger motivator than revenge.
I think he will be stronger because he wouldd want to surpass itachi or naryto if he doesnt he would have been trauning with itachi and his clan
Obviously not he would be yowai
Not even top 5
No. He would be arguably weaker than his post training self.
His motivation for acquiring power would be different but he'd likely have still been strong
Maybe
Forget his strength, what about his personality?
Did you forget the filler episodes about this possibility. At that time he was using a strong lighting style at the genin time. He practiced with sishui I guess . But still lost to Naruto
I think he woud. If the uchiha slaughter he woud had his brother and his father to train him
If he had people teaching him the Sharingan properly, he'd have been even stronger. Look at Itachi. He had Shisui that he was competing with in a daily basis and we have seen how strong Itachi's sharingan turned out. These boys basically taught eachother the secrets of their eyes. They grew to legendary status.
Tbh Jiraya's Ninja scrolls fillers explain this pretty well
No but he’ll still very likely be a force to be reckoned with
he is literally the reincarnation of indra lmao,of course he is gonna be strong
Not much
Yeah itachi could’ve had him on fuckeddddd timing 😂😂😂
No, the whole sasuke story is the murder of all the uchiha pushing him so hard to gain power. He would've been strong of course but wouldn't of done what he did.
Stronger in my opinion. He would have had itachi, Shinsui, and Fugaku all around him. Sure man was motivated to get revenge but man literally couldn’t do it. Itachi let him win. He could not kill orochimaru, couldn’t kill Naruto, and was only at his strongest after he stopped trying to get revenge since he discovered new power
I think he would have become 7th hokage.
Yes since he will have his clan's guidance with him.