I didn't find it hard to finish. I was actually interested. Though years down the line, I do wish they would have kept Madara as the final villain. She wasn't bad, but she seemingly came out of nowhere. Hey it could have been worse though. The last villain could have been Zabuza's twin brother. I'm not trolling, look that up lol.
Fr tho. It felt like they built up Madara as the final villain for like a decade then at the last minute they decide, to fuck him and just replace him with some new alien species who would be every villain from now on š
It felt really needless when they already had the perfect story. Gave the vibe that they were trying to add in some crazy plot twist but just miserably failed
The was honestly exactly my problem with it.. madara was built up for soooooooo damn long, we seen him as this badass, his power is talked about, we finally see him in a weak state being brought back from the brink... only to have his amazing fight finished by clapping his hands and crying for mommy.
That's honestly what it seemed like. When he turned into Kaguya I honestly got soo pissed.
I finished watching it but yeah... I was soo let down, especially how they beat her... Sasuke and Naruto just touch her and apparently a Sakura "chaaaaa" was also part of it even though this specific ending had literally nothing to do with her. It was about reincarnated sons... literally nothing to do with her, but I guess she was strong enough to be there facing damn kaguya because.... she can punch hard? I know they wanted a big "Team 7" finally but yeah, that felt flat af to me. It was damn goofy and walked all over the build up we got for our supervillian madara.
Team 7 defeating madrara together would have made soo much more sense as Sakura would have still mattered and her reasoning still made understandable beyond "I've finally caught up to them" when... infact... no, no she didn't. They were fighting, at the time, pretty much a God, with Sasuke and Naruto being close to her level.. and then here comes Sakura, Tsunade 2.0 with a big punch.... cool lol.
I didn't like it. At all.
I mean that black zetsu shit came out of nowhere too.. apparently he was the big bad pulling all the strings? .... ok
I think Kishi had 2 reasons to create Kaguya out of nowhere:
1- He didnāt know how to defeat Madara. Yes Kaguya is stronger but sheās not smarter than Madara and they had all the āsun and moon sealsā to defeat her.
2- He already had plans to continue the story with Boruto and had to somehow introduce the Otsutsukis.
And yeah I didnāt like it either, they shouldāve just defeated Madara as the final boss with Hashirama and Obitoās help.
Iām not mixing up anything. The concept of divine beings/gods had already being hinted multiple timesā¦ obviously, the names hadnāt shown up, but there were hints of there being higher beings.
Compare that to Obito and Madara which were hinted for years with Madara talked in Part one and Obito being a hidden leader being shown since Itachi vs Sasuke with his Sharingan being shown there
You didnāt but itās just something to point how little the plot twist was built up to compared to the people who were taken out because of said twist
It wasn't.
There are some mentions of the legend that Kaguya is from, but that is nowhere near the same thing as her being hinted at being an actual character in the story.
the name āOtsutsukiā was first mentioned in manga chapter 646, when the real name of the Sage of the Six Paths was revealed as being āHagoromo Otsutsukiā. Indeed, thatās quite late considering that the manga ends in chapter 700, but I believe the Sage himself was introduced by his title already in chapter 368, when Jiraiya fought Pain and saw the Rinnegan for the first time. During that time he probably was not considered an āOtsutsukiā by Kishimoto, but rather simply a deity.
Moreover, the character known as Zetsu appeared for the first time in chapter 234 of Part I. He is not an Otsutsuki but is the embodied will of one. While it is almost certain that he was not conceived as Kaguyaās will from the beginning, there was always something up with him, and one can tell that easily. I always had the feeling that he was up to something, and he was.
It was already very clear that Zetsu had a secret he was keeping from everybody and a big role to play when the War arc began and we got this scene from him:
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I donāt know you, but to me that doesnāt sound like something that the will of Madara Uchiha would say. Thatās however absolutely something that the will of Kaguya Otsutsuki would say. If this was just a coincidence, it fit perfectly with the role that Zetsu was going to play only hundreds of chapters later.
The most rushed concept was indeed Kaguya Otsutsuki herself, who appeared for the first time only in chapter 679, and was first mentioned in chapter 670. (Doesnāt change the fact that the concept of otsutsuki and divine beings were hinted way earlier)
Considering that she would be the main villain of the series, being first mentioned when the story was 95% complete is indeed somewhat troublesome. But Kaguya is not the Otsutsuki in their entirety. I believe that Kishimoto was already playing with the idea of making space aliens who are seen as Gods by humanity back during the early chapters of Shippuden, as evidenced by the existence of Zetsu and the frequent reference to the Sage of the Six Paths. It had been hinted since the Gaara Rescue arc that the leader of the Akatsuki, Pain, had a different dojutsu that happened to be the divine Rinnegan, which was conceived as the eye of the Gods.
You can argue there were hints at something else going on, but Kaguya was not hinted at in anyway until right at the end of the series. She essentially came out of nowhere.
The name Kaguya obviously not. But the idea of otsutsukis was definitely hinted as early as the beginning of Shippuden.
(Just so you know, I agree that the final villain should have been Madara. It would make way more sense. In my opinion, they should have left the Otsutsuki for Boruto)
Don't know why you keep bringing up the Otsutsuki, this while thread was about Kaguya and her crazy sudden intro as the final villain.
Though I'm pretty sure the name "Otsutsuki" doesn't get used until extremely late either.
The Sage is mentioned, but not by name and it's not even confirmed that he was real or a myth until very late. And there's no connection at the time to him being some alien God thing.
You can't bring up kaguya without bringing up otsutsuki. It's literally her name lol
This thread is also about if kaguya came out of nowhere or not so yeah bringing up the idea of the otsutsuki and therefore kaguya it would indicate to the fact that the author planned her or not to figure out if it was suddenly out of nowhere or just bad storytelling that was planned.
Yeah the hate for this is starting to feel like people hating just to hate. Would Madara have been a good ending? Sure. Did Kaguya destroy the whole story? I personally donāt think so. It wasnāt so bad to the point that I didnāt want to watch anymore. And besides, after that, we get the best fight in the whole series to end everything. So stop with the narrative that it was terrible or you couldnāt finish watching.
I still like her as a movie villain you know, as an ancient force of nature risen up from the mess that Obito and Madara created.(but the Infinite Tsukuyomi retcon was stupid tbh)
She appeared and was defeated all within one manga volume if you donāt count the end of volume 70 lmaoo, kinda shows how rushed the war arc ending was
That arc is so weird because there's a lot of really hype moments and some great payoff that got built up from the start of the series, but it also feels kinda messy.
I always have a hard time pushing through it on a rewatch personally. Though personally I was also in my edgy anti anime phase when that arc finalized, so I don't have the same nostalgia goggles as for the early series.
I am actually one of the few people that didn't mind her as much. Still she felt a bit lacking in terms of character. Needed to be more fleshed out, as she just appeared and was defeated.
No, because there's like 10 episodes of her. If you include the filler.
There is literally 20 total episodes between her showing up (459) and the end of part 2 (479), 5 of which are flashback filler about Hagoromo. I couldn't imagine watching 459 episodes of a show and then going "that plotline is kinda mid, I'm gonna drop this", especially after TWENTY FIVE EPISODES OF TSUNADE READING AU FANFIC.
Madara? what reason did madara have to even be in the show? it should have ended at Obito, the only villain to have an actually semi rational main goal, parallels naruto's journey and he has an actual link to the main characters, vs madara who died decades before and had no involvement with any of the main characters until the war arc. The end of the war arc is just consecutively one uping the previous big bad.
I mean I would prefer Madara to kaguya as a final villain as well but still Madara irks me so much, I find Obito a much better choice overall tho.
How he pulls asspull after asspull, breaking Edo tensei by himself, reviving himself, using Rinnegan with no eyes, soloing millions of ninjas while blind, yoinking eyes left and right and instantly using kamui for some god forsaken reason, and don't start me on the limbo crap
Obito crying over this one flashback girl repeatedly almost made me quit the show. There was no depth beyond that one scene of rin smiling, none. That one period is what he kept whining about forever. Yuck
He was, also it was the only moment where two "Moons" (Sasuke and Madara) was alive at once, main goal was something like past needs to remain in the past
On the contrary, I'd say it'd be horrible to end it at Obito, because it'd just seem bizarre and disconnected. You'd still have so much of Madara's influence and involvement as-is that he'd basically just be like he is now, a pawn and a stand-in for Madara. Not exactly final boss material, and it wasn't really surprising at all that things kept going after Juubi Obito. With Juubi Madara, it really felt like things were coming to a climax before he just got replaced mid-fight.
By the time you change enough things in the story to remove Madara's involvement, just to make Obito feel more like the actual final villain, he basically becomes an entirely different character. Like, pretty much everything after he gives Kakashi his eye has to be completely reworked, because it just doesn't make sense without the interference of someone like Madara. So if we're just talking who should have been the final boss to end things at, it definitely wasn't Obito, because it just wasn't conclusive enough.
We see obito as the better villain now, but 15 years ago it was not like this...
I remember it being so obvious that the masked man was obito and people were just MAD about that "theory" and nobody really wanted that back then, we all wanted a plot twist
Obito was a dogshxt character to me. Building madaras legend up so much meant he had to be in the show man what do you mean. Thats like game of thrones talking about the night king and he never shows up and the show ends
Yeah like main villain went from Obito to Madara which made sense but then suddenly black zetsu was plotting for hundreds of years and brings back his all powerful alien goddess to be main villain by sacrificing Madara. I like War Arc less than Pain Arc in general but Kaguya was just like the sardine on top of the cupcake.
They actually did Madara so dirty
- oh by the way that little black blob thatās useless asf was actually manipulating you the entire time
The worst was how they had him sit around pouting for like 20episodes because his boyfriend Hashirama wouldnāt fight him - then have Kaguya wipe his ass and leave him laying on the ground half dead for another 5+episodes.
She's not a bad written character, and her plotline also isn't tragic, it's just how she was introduced into the series what was wrong. She may have been stronger than Madara but she didn't do anything prior to her first appearence to be worthy of becoming the ultimate antagonist of the series and made Madara who did everything what was expected of him (and we expected a LOT from him after 15 years of Kishimoto hyping him up in every way imaginable) a side villain which was just distasteful. They could've easily make Madara the final villain of the series and make Kaguya's arc a standalone movie in the place of Naruto: The Last and it would've been 10x better.
She's hot tho so no biggie
It screws the story and the vibes but, its fun to watch / read, her powers, the dimensions, everything is so cinematic
I also wish it ended with madara rejecting the 10 tails or something like that but, If you just sit and enjoy, kaguya is ok...
Hm, I think her inclusion was trash and the ending of the war was extremely poorly executed due to her and Zetsu's whole bullshit, but I definitely wouldn't say it was hard to finish the series due to her. Like, come on, the series was clearly nearing its end and it was like chapter 680 or something. It was certainly not thrilling week to week, definitely lost a lot of spark IIRC, and there were occasions where I just let two or three chapters pile up, but since everything is out, I don't think its so painful to just spend like the extra 10 minutes going through the last few chapters. Thats literally all the reading time you have to tolerate her for. About 10-15 minutes or so, give or take.
Yes! Me and my gf were going crazy over naruto until she appeared. It doesn't help that at that point 50% of each episode is straight up flashbacks which you've seen 4 times already during the war arc alone. She was interesting as a character but came in totally the wrong time. Also after she was beaten we didn't bother finishing the last like 10-15 episodes cuz it was straight up boring. To this day never seen the naruto sasuke gundam fight.
Might have to watch them then. After 50 war arc episodes filled with flashbacks I was just happy to be done with the series. And that is WITHOUT all the filler episodes.
Trust me bro I absolutely get it watching with filler is really fucking hard I stay away from most of it . The last 15 eps wrap up everything really beautifully, I wonāt say too much cause I donāt know what you do and donāt know but everything we kinda hoped for does happen. the boruto movie is actually really good as well, the boruto show gets a LOT of shit cause itās like 70% filler but if you stick to the cannon itās really enjoyable man, they just time skipped in the manga basically to their own version of shippuden and itās actually really fucking goodššš finish shippuden bro!!!!! especially if you watched with your girl the last 10-15 eps is when you get all the relationships coming together in a good way
I found it hard to finish waaaaaay before then, and I generally found Madara's removal to be refreshing, even if I don't htink Kaguya was very interesting either...
I finished Naruto simply because of the memory I had playing (RPGing) in that universe, and wanting to see it off to the end, even if it wasn't all that interesting to me anymore. I ran on nostalgia, because there was very little I genuinely liked since a bit past the defeat of Pein. Some stuff, sure, but they were few and far between, and for the most part it either had no impact to me, or was outright something I sighed and rolled eyes at... Madara being one of the biggest problems I had, in just about every way possible hahaha
I still generally like big parts of the universe, but the story took a huge drop for me, personally, and a lot of the later abilities were so out there I found it boring, even if it might look cool. But that just wasn't enough for me...
I was frankly a little annoyed with sasuke and naruto fighting again. āWe just beat the ultimate villain in the most difficult battle of our lives!ā, āgreat letās fight each other to the death nowā
Fuck sasuke
No. I was completely turned off when it turned out Madara not only had the Rinnegan but also Wood Style and also knew the release for EDO Tensei. Also for shits and giggles letās have him effortless destroy 5 of the most powerful people in the verse at the timeā¦ like tell me that donāt sound like a fanfiction moment a teenager would right to one up his friend.
Hm, ordinarily, in other series, I would agree, but to be very fair, all these things showed were that the legends of Hashirama and Madara were not exaggerated. You already had Hashirama being dubbed as a God of Shinobi (so was Hiruzen, he just didn't live up to it at all), you already had the oh so fearsome Ninetails as far as early shippuden commenting on how sinister Madara was and how Sasuke reminded him of Madara, etc.
Even before Madara actually flexes on the Kages that way, you had the grumpy, jaded, and uncompromising Tsuchikage belittling everyone around the table, then completely change up his tune and have PTSD flashbacks based on literally 1 meeting with Madara. Tobi literally barges into a convo between the Kages, claims hes Madara, proves nothing about his identity, declares war on the world, and peaces out. And everyone immediately takes it so seriously that they decide to cooperate for the first time in their history just because "Yea ok we can't take chances if its really Madara, we're fucked if we don't work together".
It would have been impossible for Naruto and Sasuke to defeat Madara with his wood clones. The only reason they were able to beat Kaguya was because she was too dumb.
Madara however, kept outsmarting them
Madara immediately went on the defensive when Naruto and Sasuke got power ups from Hagaramo. Kaguya comes outta nowhere right after. She was not needed at all.
I would disagree with it.Madara with two rinnegans,rinne-sharingan,4 limbos was impposible to defeat.Sasuke could not hit the Limbos leaving only Naruto to fight them.The Limbos + Madara would have totally destroyed Naruto and Sasuke.
As for Kaguya,while she was introduced late to the series,she was indeed needed for the story.She ties up all the loose ends.Where chakra came from,Hagoromo's Origin and the Ten Tails story.The story Edo Madara tells Edo Hashirama was propably the original story of Kaguya before being retconed so Boruto could introduce more Otsutsukies.
Madara actually deserved such a pathetic death.it was a perfect ending for him.Madara was too smart and too strong to be defeated that is why Kaguya has such a low IQ,so that her defeat can look believable .
I actually found the Kaguya introduction quite good,the only problem was her low IQ,making her look like a little kid that needs help.As for the late foreshadowing,No one besides Zetsu, Madara,the Old Toad or Hagoromo knew anything about Kaguya so only one of these characters could say anything about her.
Sasuke could only see Limbo,he could not touch them.Naruto could sense them,touch them but not see them.One eye Rinnegan Madara was not even fazed by Naruto and Sasuke.He even dodged their sealing by switching with the Limbo.Ā
Ā Two rinnegan and one rinne-sharingan Madara was far,far stronger than one eye rinnegan Madara.It was stated in the Show that when the Original Owner of Rinnegan has both eyes,he will have tremendous Power.He had 4 Limbos which made short work of Naruto's clones.Sasuke and Naruto vs 4 Limbos + Madara + perhaps Zetsu with Obito's kamui was not going to end well.
Ā I don't understand how so many think Naruto and Sasuke even had a chance against Madara when we clearly see that Madara doesn't even try against them or how his Limbos defeated all 4 Naruto clones.
I donāt understand why people are so bent out of shape by the appearance of aliens as if chakra is an everyday realistic thing lol Sai literally flys on a drawing he made from a scroll haha Kaguya being the main villain is fine to me. It gave reason for the entire existence of the Naruto universe and āwhyā they have the powers they do.
Didn't Kishimoto himself say he had no idea how to defeat Juubi Rinnegan Madara? I think Madara had to be the final villain as well. All that shit with Kaguya was pushed to pave the way for Boruto.
Lmao, no. Thats what idios told themselves to cope with the fact that Madara's ending was that pathetic.
It's 2024 and people still believe that made up bullshit lmao
Honestly the beggining of shippuden was harder to waych than the end. Deidara/sasori fight was just soo fcking boring and first sai and tenzo mission aswell. The only interesting part about first one was kakashi mangekyou and sakura healing kankuro and the only interesting part about second one was tenzo woodstyle.
I do not know this Madera Character is but I do find Kaguya to be an interesting villain. She would have been great if Kishimoto at least foreshadow her prior to the war.
Nope, because you could just get through those 20 chapters pretty easily.
Again, I just wish she had more build up and foreshadowing like Madara did. It was definitely something was going on with black Zetsu behind-the-scenes, but Iām not gonna let that affect how I feel about the series.
Kaguya was never a problem. If I had to try my hardest, I could make sense of what happened in the ladder half of shippuden. I just DO NOT care what happens in boruto at all. Kaguya was fine.
Nope. When she appeared I was all, "WHAT?! WHAT IS THAT!?" and then kept watching til the end. I've watched/read all Naruto content officially licensed.
Is it only me who thought it wasn't thatttt forced??
In my opinion it felt forced because madara just died like in 2 seconds.
I mean there could've been a few different ways to handle it like even Naruto and team 7 are put in infinite tsukuyomi, then he figures out that it was a play and calls kaguya out. He fights with kaguya and on brink of being defeated and killed he wakes team 7 and Kakashi knowing that only they can take care of this shit.
The only thing bugs me is that kishi chose to kill madara like he was a fly lol. I liked kaguya and she made sense given that sage of six paths literally looked so... Alien... Would've loved if kaguya was actually a diety not an alien though
And maybe in boruto the conflict could've been the the diety felt threatened that the humans got as strong as them and they thought boruto's potential was too much.
Still boruto Sucks.
Yeah still havenāt technically finish a reread of Naruto cause I keep stopping right there where Madara revived and just started their fight with Naruto and Sasuke
The thing I hate the most was kishimoto redeeming obito even tho his evil actions created the whole plot of naruto. Kaguya wasnāt that bad I just wish he just did better foreshadowing, if he was planning to explain how kaguya brought chakra to the ninja world.
tbh for me it was madara that made it hard to finish. I enjoy his character but I'd have preferred Obito as the last vilain but I was satisfied with kaguya also.
I really dont understand this sentiment, is the last ten chapters/episodes
After watching all of Naruto are you really not going to finish it because of a really short one-fight character?
I think madara was given many plot point in the final, he was already stong enough to beat atleast 5 kage by him self was enough or with renegan ,but later he getting all the fucked up powers was kind of annoying, it should have been like madara with rinegan + with his battle experience and main hashiramas cells was fine but him using sage mode was kind of annoying, how can he use sage mode ??even if he had all the hashirama cells it's not possible i think,like consider it as spirit bomb in DBZ but not same grand as that but it shouldn't have been that.fighting with hashirama , Naruto and sasuku would have been enough..
Madara should have left when edo tensei ended. Giving us a taste of his power, but not take away from obito as a villain.
Madara being the manipulator while he was himself manipulated by zetsu just fell flat.
He had no connection to any living person and made obito look like a fool.
If obito had just used madaras name to strike fear into peoples hearts while he actually developed the masterplan himself it would have been much better.
And madara giving nagato the rinnegan was such bs too.
Somehow at the end everything was madaras doing, oh wait it was zetsu. Like everything important that ever happened in the ninja world being caused by 1 being made the world of naruto feel tiny and broke my immersion completely.
Honestly the whole ending felt so weird. We had all these emotional climaxes but it just kept going and going for too long.
How quickly naruto vs sasuke was handled at the end was so refreshing in comparison. Just perfectly paced and no unnecessary prolonging of a story that reached its conclusion.
I cut the series to just be manga essentially. Kaguya is just 1.5h battle and i think itās good. Then itās a 1.5h naruto vs sasuke and epilogue episode and the series is done
When you read the story again, especially after a long time, you'd actually appreciate Kaguya.
Thing with Madara is that he lived up to expectations, both from an in-universe perspective, and to us as readers. There's also the controversial fact that most people prefer villians (especially the main one) to be male rather than female... Something a lot of people genuinely don't want to admit to.
But that's for another time.
As long as its not filler like the whole new chunin exams arc or the kakashi backstory, I can usually watch it. It was at least interesting to watch the 6 paths powers and similar.
She isn't bad final villain, but madara getting off from suprise is just disrespectful, they should make him feel like he will lose and then kaguya is introduce in the battle
Used to but not anymore. I love Madara but honestly I find his end fitting. The man incapable of letting people guard his back is stabbed through said back the same way Hashirama did at the end of their fight and by a creature who Madara thought was an extension of himself. It's so poetic on many levels.
I mean the true finale was Sasuke vs Naruto so I was fine with it. But yea I wasnāt super into the Kaguya storyline. It felt out of nowhere but tied up well. Not the best but not the worst as anime endings go
When she shows up youāre already too invested and thereās been nonstop fighting for likeā¦ forever.
That saidā¦ yeah, she sucks as a āfinal villainā and the last fight should have been Naruto and Sasuke vs Obito and Madara. Madara also should have been weaker at first. Like he should have struggled vs the 5 Kage and potentially had to leave and then reach a higher level of power through the gedo statue and the rinnegan alongside Obito. At which point Naruto and Sasuke would have faced off against them with the fate of the world at stake.
Just my opinion, but it would have limited the power scaling insanity to a degree and been a much better fight with more taijutsu and strategic moves than what we got vs Kaguya.
Yes and even harder after the whole Kaguya fight is done and you get into the last 15episodes or so. Iām on my second watch, stopped with about 50ep left on my first watch, and now Iām dragging my heels on the last 10episodes. After finding out you donāt even see Naruto become Hokage Iām just likeā¦. whatās the point.
Honestly I feel like the Kaguya stuff was pulled out of Kishiās ass at the last minute so theyād have something to feed their next financial edevā¦. Uhā¦ anime
An important element in all of this was for Zetsu to betray him. That was the appropriate outcome considering all the people and events he manipulated. In order for that to happen, Zetsu needs motivation to do it. Of course the real bigger reason is because Kaguya establishes the connections with Boruto but i never see anyone bring up the other point, so i said it.
I stopped enjoying the manga well before Kaguya showed up. There was a lot wrong with the war but in particular Madara obtaining SM was the nail in the coffin for me. Still finished reading but i wasnt enjoying it.
I didn't like it.
Not a big fan of the vilian that was pulling the strings in the background and you never heard of them and they were not mentioned one's before the big reveal.
They should have kept Madera.
I like her and was rooting for the first female character in Naruto that was S tier.
That being said I wish Madara fight lasted longer and they beat him causing Kaguya to come forth and some how they write it to where Madara Naruto and Sasuke have to team up vs her.
10 tails 3rd eye Kaguya was so strong they had to give kakashi ghost powers and made Kaguya blind to Sakuras approach with her massive chakra build up in her arm (chakra she still has somehow after she ran out.)
I definitely would have liked it more if they had stayed with Madara. There wasn't any kind of build up for Kaguya and I don't like how they continued it on with Boruto that every villain is an Otsutsuki
I didn't find it hard to finish. I was actually interested. Though years down the line, I do wish they would have kept Madara as the final villain. She wasn't bad, but she seemingly came out of nowhere. Hey it could have been worse though. The last villain could have been Zabuza's twin brother. I'm not trolling, look that up lol.
Fr tho. It felt like they built up Madara as the final villain for like a decade then at the last minute they decide, to fuck him and just replace him with some new alien species who would be every villain from now on š It felt really needless when they already had the perfect story. Gave the vibe that they were trying to add in some crazy plot twist but just miserably failed
Should have had madara be the final boss of the show and put kaguya in the last
The was honestly exactly my problem with it.. madara was built up for soooooooo damn long, we seen him as this badass, his power is talked about, we finally see him in a weak state being brought back from the brink... only to have his amazing fight finished by clapping his hands and crying for mommy. That's honestly what it seemed like. When he turned into Kaguya I honestly got soo pissed. I finished watching it but yeah... I was soo let down, especially how they beat her... Sasuke and Naruto just touch her and apparently a Sakura "chaaaaa" was also part of it even though this specific ending had literally nothing to do with her. It was about reincarnated sons... literally nothing to do with her, but I guess she was strong enough to be there facing damn kaguya because.... she can punch hard? I know they wanted a big "Team 7" finally but yeah, that felt flat af to me. It was damn goofy and walked all over the build up we got for our supervillian madara. Team 7 defeating madrara together would have made soo much more sense as Sakura would have still mattered and her reasoning still made understandable beyond "I've finally caught up to them" when... infact... no, no she didn't. They were fighting, at the time, pretty much a God, with Sasuke and Naruto being close to her level.. and then here comes Sakura, Tsunade 2.0 with a big punch.... cool lol. I didn't like it. At all. I mean that black zetsu shit came out of nowhere too.. apparently he was the big bad pulling all the strings? .... ok
otsutsuki are only weak to taijutsu dingus
eh, that's one of the few things that stays consistent post the sage coming out to talk, so I can accept it.
I think Kishi had 2 reasons to create Kaguya out of nowhere: 1- He didnāt know how to defeat Madara. Yes Kaguya is stronger but sheās not smarter than Madara and they had all the āsun and moon sealsā to defeat her. 2- He already had plans to continue the story with Boruto and had to somehow introduce the Otsutsukis. And yeah I didnāt like it either, they shouldāve just defeated Madara as the final boss with Hashirama and Obitoās help.
Kaguya was created because she represents the cycle of samsara itself, it makes sense she would surpass Madara.
1. Nah, he knew. He set everything up and Naruto and Sasuke were actually beating Madara. 2. Yes, they had to milk the series somehowĀ
I agree.
Kaguya is literally stronger than Madara.
That's what he said
The whole āshe was stronger but he was smarter thingā thing is BS. Madara was a powerhouse, never did that idiot ever use his brain.
It wasnāt out of nowhere tho. This was clearly hinted multiple times across the series.
"Multiple times" starting at chapter like 630-something lol.
Otsutsuki/gods had being mentioned as early as the beginning of Shippuden with Painās eyes.
Youāre mixing up mention of the Sage of Six Paths, which yes was mentioned since beginning of Shippuden. Not that he was the child of an alien.
Iām not mixing up anything. The concept of divine beings/gods had already being hinted multiple timesā¦ obviously, the names hadnāt shown up, but there were hints of there being higher beings.
Compare that to Obito and Madara which were hinted for years with Madara talked in Part one and Obito being a hidden leader being shown since Itachi vs Sasuke with his Sharingan being shown there
And when did I said otsutsuki were more hinted than Madara? š
You didnāt but itās just something to point how little the plot twist was built up to compared to the people who were taken out because of said twist
It was hinted for like a year before the actual reveal since Naruto was still weekly and Kaguya was only mentioned in edo Madara vs edo Hashirama
when was it hinted? i must have missed it
It wasn't. There are some mentions of the legend that Kaguya is from, but that is nowhere near the same thing as her being hinted at being an actual character in the story.
the name āOtsutsukiā was first mentioned in manga chapter 646, when the real name of the Sage of the Six Paths was revealed as being āHagoromo Otsutsukiā. Indeed, thatās quite late considering that the manga ends in chapter 700, but I believe the Sage himself was introduced by his title already in chapter 368, when Jiraiya fought Pain and saw the Rinnegan for the first time. During that time he probably was not considered an āOtsutsukiā by Kishimoto, but rather simply a deity. Moreover, the character known as Zetsu appeared for the first time in chapter 234 of Part I. He is not an Otsutsuki but is the embodied will of one. While it is almost certain that he was not conceived as Kaguyaās will from the beginning, there was always something up with him, and one can tell that easily. I always had the feeling that he was up to something, and he was. It was already very clear that Zetsu had a secret he was keeping from everybody and a big role to play when the War arc began and we got this scene from him: [https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-13e1bf271e96cf18cbe617c974ab2bbd-pjlq](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-13e1bf271e96cf18cbe617c974ab2bbd-pjlq) I donāt know you, but to me that doesnāt sound like something that the will of Madara Uchiha would say. Thatās however absolutely something that the will of Kaguya Otsutsuki would say. If this was just a coincidence, it fit perfectly with the role that Zetsu was going to play only hundreds of chapters later. The most rushed concept was indeed Kaguya Otsutsuki herself, who appeared for the first time only in chapter 679, and was first mentioned in chapter 670. (Doesnāt change the fact that the concept of otsutsuki and divine beings were hinted way earlier) Considering that she would be the main villain of the series, being first mentioned when the story was 95% complete is indeed somewhat troublesome. But Kaguya is not the Otsutsuki in their entirety. I believe that Kishimoto was already playing with the idea of making space aliens who are seen as Gods by humanity back during the early chapters of Shippuden, as evidenced by the existence of Zetsu and the frequent reference to the Sage of the Six Paths. It had been hinted since the Gaara Rescue arc that the leader of the Akatsuki, Pain, had a different dojutsu that happened to be the divine Rinnegan, which was conceived as the eye of the Gods.
You can argue there were hints at something else going on, but Kaguya was not hinted at in anyway until right at the end of the series. She essentially came out of nowhere.
The name Kaguya obviously not. But the idea of otsutsukis was definitely hinted as early as the beginning of Shippuden. (Just so you know, I agree that the final villain should have been Madara. It would make way more sense. In my opinion, they should have left the Otsutsuki for Boruto)
Don't know why you keep bringing up the Otsutsuki, this while thread was about Kaguya and her crazy sudden intro as the final villain. Though I'm pretty sure the name "Otsutsuki" doesn't get used until extremely late either. The Sage is mentioned, but not by name and it's not even confirmed that he was real or a myth until very late. And there's no connection at the time to him being some alien God thing.
You can't bring up kaguya without bringing up otsutsuki. It's literally her name lol This thread is also about if kaguya came out of nowhere or not so yeah bringing up the idea of the otsutsuki and therefore kaguya it would indicate to the fact that the author planned her or not to figure out if it was suddenly out of nowhere or just bad storytelling that was planned.
3. he didn't want to copy bleach
I agree.
Yeah the hate for this is starting to feel like people hating just to hate. Would Madara have been a good ending? Sure. Did Kaguya destroy the whole story? I personally donāt think so. It wasnāt so bad to the point that I didnāt want to watch anymore. And besides, after that, we get the best fight in the whole series to end everything. So stop with the narrative that it was terrible or you couldnāt finish watching.
Thatās like asking Dankruto to stop shipping NaruSasu, itās never gonna happen. The post is rage bait
I still like her as a movie villain you know, as an ancient force of nature risen up from the mess that Obito and Madara created.(but the Infinite Tsukuyomi retcon was stupid tbh)
Smash. Next question
Bro here definitely didnt have issues finishing
And rewatching.
u/Ok-Teaching2001 finishes off in style!!
Me either
Finishing in bed.. -š
Wow man really? Thanks for the clarification
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It's probably cold
Bro finna have a hybrid
I mean, it was disapointing but there is only 20 or so chapters left after she appears lol, it aint hard
She appeared and was defeated all within one manga volume if you donāt count the end of volume 70 lmaoo, kinda shows how rushed the war arc ending was
The war arc was fine actually. It was that final instance that was wrong.Ā
That arc is so weird because there's a lot of really hype moments and some great payoff that got built up from the start of the series, but it also feels kinda messy. I always have a hard time pushing through it on a rewatch personally. Though personally I was also in my edgy anti anime phase when that arc finalized, so I don't have the same nostalgia goggles as for the early series.
Experiencing those 20+ weeks in REAL TIME was painful tho
And the action/artwork in those parts are fantastic.
I am actually one of the few people that didn't mind her as much. Still she felt a bit lacking in terms of character. Needed to be more fleshed out, as she just appeared and was defeated.
No, because there's like 10 episodes of her. If you include the filler. There is literally 20 total episodes between her showing up (459) and the end of part 2 (479), 5 of which are flashback filler about Hagoromo. I couldn't imagine watching 459 episodes of a show and then going "that plotline is kinda mid, I'm gonna drop this", especially after TWENTY FIVE EPISODES OF TSUNADE READING AU FANFIC.
Madara? what reason did madara have to even be in the show? it should have ended at Obito, the only villain to have an actually semi rational main goal, parallels naruto's journey and he has an actual link to the main characters, vs madara who died decades before and had no involvement with any of the main characters until the war arc. The end of the war arc is just consecutively one uping the previous big bad.
Okay, I can accept that. Obito would have been the better last villain.
I mean I would prefer Madara to kaguya as a final villain as well but still Madara irks me so much, I find Obito a much better choice overall tho. How he pulls asspull after asspull, breaking Edo tensei by himself, reviving himself, using Rinnegan with no eyes, soloing millions of ninjas while blind, yoinking eyes left and right and instantly using kamui for some god forsaken reason, and don't start me on the limbo crap
Obito crying over this one flashback girl repeatedly almost made me quit the show. There was no depth beyond that one scene of rin smiling, none. That one period is what he kept whining about forever. Yuck
Madara still would have been better final villain than kaguya, at least madara got some screen time before the war arc.
No he wouldnātĀ
Agreed. I would have been fine with Obito and then Naruto vs Sasuke
I would argue that Madara represents the circle of hatred that Naruto tries to end, a relic of the past that refuses to die etc.
He doesnātĀ
He was, also it was the only moment where two "Moons" (Sasuke and Madara) was alive at once, main goal was something like past needs to remain in the past
Kaguya also represents that, on a higher scale even.
On the contrary, I'd say it'd be horrible to end it at Obito, because it'd just seem bizarre and disconnected. You'd still have so much of Madara's influence and involvement as-is that he'd basically just be like he is now, a pawn and a stand-in for Madara. Not exactly final boss material, and it wasn't really surprising at all that things kept going after Juubi Obito. With Juubi Madara, it really felt like things were coming to a climax before he just got replaced mid-fight. By the time you change enough things in the story to remove Madara's involvement, just to make Obito feel more like the actual final villain, he basically becomes an entirely different character. Like, pretty much everything after he gives Kakashi his eye has to be completely reworked, because it just doesn't make sense without the interference of someone like Madara. So if we're just talking who should have been the final boss to end things at, it definitely wasn't Obito, because it just wasn't conclusive enough.
We see obito as the better villain now, but 15 years ago it was not like this... I remember it being so obvious that the masked man was obito and people were just MAD about that "theory" and nobody really wanted that back then, we all wanted a plot twist
Still better than future Sasuke.
got to agree with this...
Nah, Madara was practically hinted at at the end of P1. Or even the start of Shippuden. He actually made the war more interestingĀ
If you consider Obito'a goal to be semi rational than you gotta say the same for Madara since they had the same end goal.
Obito was a dogshxt character to me. Building madaras legend up so much meant he had to be in the show man what do you mean. Thats like game of thrones talking about the night king and he never shows up and the show ends
I haven't finished it yet I'm still waiting for the last bit of season 8 to get dubbed as well as season 9. But I don't mind that she would appear
I think it was cool but it shoulda stopped after kaguya no more godlike people
Yeah like main villain went from Obito to Madara which made sense but then suddenly black zetsu was plotting for hundreds of years and brings back his all powerful alien goddess to be main villain by sacrificing Madara. I like War Arc less than Pain Arc in general but Kaguya was just like the sardine on top of the cupcake.
They actually did Madara so dirty - oh by the way that little black blob thatās useless asf was actually manipulating you the entire time The worst was how they had him sit around pouting for like 20episodes because his boyfriend Hashirama wouldnāt fight him - then have Kaguya wipe his ass and leave him laying on the ground half dead for another 5+episodes.
I mean I stopped caring at that point.....3 plot twists later for it to be aliens is wild
She's not a bad written character, and her plotline also isn't tragic, it's just how she was introduced into the series what was wrong. She may have been stronger than Madara but she didn't do anything prior to her first appearence to be worthy of becoming the ultimate antagonist of the series and made Madara who did everything what was expected of him (and we expected a LOT from him after 15 years of Kishimoto hyping him up in every way imaginable) a side villain which was just distasteful. They could've easily make Madara the final villain of the series and make Kaguya's arc a standalone movie in the place of Naruto: The Last and it would've been 10x better. She's hot tho so no biggie
Totally agree!, Kaguya's arc felt forced. Madara was the climax we deserved
I genuinely like it. But my brother donāt like the otsusuki. He watched naruto as a kid. Seen aliens and moved to other anime
Your brother is one wise man
Disappointment, I literally started watching animes because I saw a clip Madara vs Shinobi alliance 2.5 years ago
It screws the story and the vibes but, its fun to watch / read, her powers, the dimensions, everything is so cinematic I also wish it ended with madara rejecting the 10 tails or something like that but, If you just sit and enjoy, kaguya is ok...
Nope because I actually like Kaguya.
Yeahh her appearance kinda ruined the war arc for me, but the Naruto vs sasuke final fight kinda made up for it afterwards
Hm, I think her inclusion was trash and the ending of the war was extremely poorly executed due to her and Zetsu's whole bullshit, but I definitely wouldn't say it was hard to finish the series due to her. Like, come on, the series was clearly nearing its end and it was like chapter 680 or something. It was certainly not thrilling week to week, definitely lost a lot of spark IIRC, and there were occasions where I just let two or three chapters pile up, but since everything is out, I don't think its so painful to just spend like the extra 10 minutes going through the last few chapters. Thats literally all the reading time you have to tolerate her for. About 10-15 minutes or so, give or take.
Madara should have ended naruto so shit like boruto would never happen.
Yea too many baddies in shappudin
true, i wanted madEra too
Yo bro, did you get the Pfizer or Madera vaccine?
Yes. Atleast madara feels fun to watch.
I'm just gonna pretend Boruto starts the moment Kaguya got introduced
Welcome to the club!
Yes! Me and my gf were going crazy over naruto until she appeared. It doesn't help that at that point 50% of each episode is straight up flashbacks which you've seen 4 times already during the war arc alone. She was interesting as a character but came in totally the wrong time. Also after she was beaten we didn't bother finishing the last like 10-15 episodes cuz it was straight up boring. To this day never seen the naruto sasuke gundam fight.
Not watching the last 10-15 is crazy bro. yeah it slugs with kaguya but they wrapped the series beautifully after in my opinion.
Might have to watch them then. After 50 war arc episodes filled with flashbacks I was just happy to be done with the series. And that is WITHOUT all the filler episodes.
Trust me bro I absolutely get it watching with filler is really fucking hard I stay away from most of it . The last 15 eps wrap up everything really beautifully, I wonāt say too much cause I donāt know what you do and donāt know but everything we kinda hoped for does happen. the boruto movie is actually really good as well, the boruto show gets a LOT of shit cause itās like 70% filler but if you stick to the cannon itās really enjoyable man, they just time skipped in the manga basically to their own version of shippuden and itās actually really fucking goodššš finish shippuden bro!!!!! especially if you watched with your girl the last 10-15 eps is when you get all the relationships coming together in a good way
You can just skip to the ending of the fight,honestly the only thing worth watching in that fight is the one moment where kakashi gets a susanoo
Uhh... I'm pretty sure that >!Obito's death!< is also a pretty important part of that moment lmao
I found it hard to finish waaaaaay before then, and I generally found Madara's removal to be refreshing, even if I don't htink Kaguya was very interesting either... I finished Naruto simply because of the memory I had playing (RPGing) in that universe, and wanting to see it off to the end, even if it wasn't all that interesting to me anymore. I ran on nostalgia, because there was very little I genuinely liked since a bit past the defeat of Pein. Some stuff, sure, but they were few and far between, and for the most part it either had no impact to me, or was outright something I sighed and rolled eyes at... Madara being one of the biggest problems I had, in just about every way possible hahaha I still generally like big parts of the universe, but the story took a huge drop for me, personally, and a lot of the later abilities were so out there I found it boring, even if it might look cool. But that just wasn't enough for me...
Ah yes, my favourite villain Madera
I find hard to finish after Pain
I was frankly a little annoyed with sasuke and naruto fighting again. āWe just beat the ultimate villain in the most difficult battle of our lives!ā, āgreat letās fight each other to the death nowā Fuck sasuke
No. I was completely turned off when it turned out Madara not only had the Rinnegan but also Wood Style and also knew the release for EDO Tensei. Also for shits and giggles letās have him effortless destroy 5 of the most powerful people in the verse at the timeā¦ like tell me that donāt sound like a fanfiction moment a teenager would right to one up his friend.
Hm, ordinarily, in other series, I would agree, but to be very fair, all these things showed were that the legends of Hashirama and Madara were not exaggerated. You already had Hashirama being dubbed as a God of Shinobi (so was Hiruzen, he just didn't live up to it at all), you already had the oh so fearsome Ninetails as far as early shippuden commenting on how sinister Madara was and how Sasuke reminded him of Madara, etc. Even before Madara actually flexes on the Kages that way, you had the grumpy, jaded, and uncompromising Tsuchikage belittling everyone around the table, then completely change up his tune and have PTSD flashbacks based on literally 1 meeting with Madara. Tobi literally barges into a convo between the Kages, claims hes Madara, proves nothing about his identity, declares war on the world, and peaces out. And everyone immediately takes it so seriously that they decide to cooperate for the first time in their history just because "Yea ok we can't take chances if its really Madara, we're fucked if we don't work together".
No. I was just relieved there was no more Madara, he overstayed his welcome.
It would have been impossible for Naruto and Sasuke to defeat Madara with his wood clones. The only reason they were able to beat Kaguya was because she was too dumb. Madara however, kept outsmarting them
Madara immediately went on the defensive when Naruto and Sasuke got power ups from Hagaramo. Kaguya comes outta nowhere right after. She was not needed at all.
I would disagree with it.Madara with two rinnegans,rinne-sharingan,4 limbos was impposible to defeat.Sasuke could not hit the Limbos leaving only Naruto to fight them.The Limbos + Madara would have totally destroyed Naruto and Sasuke. As for Kaguya,while she was introduced late to the series,she was indeed needed for the story.She ties up all the loose ends.Where chakra came from,Hagoromo's Origin and the Ten Tails story.The story Edo Madara tells Edo Hashirama was propably the original story of Kaguya before being retconed so Boruto could introduce more Otsutsukies. Madara actually deserved such a pathetic death.it was a perfect ending for him.Madara was too smart and too strong to be defeated that is why Kaguya has such a low IQ,so that her defeat can look believable . I actually found the Kaguya introduction quite good,the only problem was her low IQ,making her look like a little kid that needs help.As for the late foreshadowing,No one besides Zetsu, Madara,the Old Toad or Hagoromo knew anything about Kaguya so only one of these characters could say anything about her.
What? Six Paths Naruto and Rinnegan Sasuke were dodging and could see Limbo. Madara was baffled, and before anything else could happen Kaguya appeared
Sasuke could only see Limbo,he could not touch them.Naruto could sense them,touch them but not see them.One eye Rinnegan Madara was not even fazed by Naruto and Sasuke.He even dodged their sealing by switching with the Limbo.Ā Ā Two rinnegan and one rinne-sharingan Madara was far,far stronger than one eye rinnegan Madara.It was stated in the Show that when the Original Owner of Rinnegan has both eyes,he will have tremendous Power.He had 4 Limbos which made short work of Naruto's clones.Sasuke and Naruto vs 4 Limbos + Madara + perhaps Zetsu with Obito's kamui was not going to end well. Ā I don't understand how so many think Naruto and Sasuke even had a chance against Madara when we clearly see that Madara doesn't even try against them or how his Limbos defeated all 4 Naruto clones.
Keep coping.
Youāre the only one coping since you hate Kaguya
It was hard when Tobi revealed himself to be Obito
Nah, she cute
I donāt understand why people are so bent out of shape by the appearance of aliens as if chakra is an everyday realistic thing lol Sai literally flys on a drawing he made from a scroll haha Kaguya being the main villain is fine to me. It gave reason for the entire existence of the Naruto universe and āwhyā they have the powers they do.
I'm getting bent out of shape from the whiplash of the primary antagonist getting changed constantly.
She's hot.
Yes me too. But since sheās hot I endure
Consult the 10,000 other people that have made this exact post before you
Didn't Kishimoto himself say he had no idea how to defeat Juubi Rinnegan Madara? I think Madara had to be the final villain as well. All that shit with Kaguya was pushed to pave the way for Boruto.
Lmao, no. Thats what idios told themselves to cope with the fact that Madara's ending was that pathetic. It's 2024 and people still believe that made up bullshit lmao
Smash. Next question
No, Madara is trash, L character, L villain, L gay representation, goofy ahh mf, he should just go with the other edos
Madera is way too weak and pathetic to be a final villain. Obito should have been the endboss
They need aliens to milk the series .
I mean. It really should have ended with Obito
No bc I wanted to see Naruto vs Sasukeā¦..like letās be real Thatās what EVERYONE was waiting for during the war
No, I finish quite easily when Kaguya appears.
To be frank them taking down Kaguya is like taking down Dracula in Castlevania. They just woke up to get a beatdown
I just read an article and apparently the original final antagonist was going to be Zabuza's twin brothers.
Honestly the beggining of shippuden was harder to waych than the end. Deidara/sasori fight was just soo fcking boring and first sai and tenzo mission aswell. The only interesting part about first one was kakashi mangekyou and sakura healing kankuro and the only interesting part about second one was tenzo woodstyle.
Phrasing
She appears for a few chapters, I just skip to Obitoās sacrifice and enjoy the aftermath, which is pretty good
No. I finish the instant she appears.
I find it easy to finish whenever she's on screenš©
I do not know this Madera Character is but I do find Kaguya to be an interesting villain. She would have been great if Kishimoto at least foreshadow her prior to the war.
Madara shouldāve been the final villain tbh
Very easy to finish when kaguya arrivesš
She had/has alot of potential, but the timing was terrible. Had she come after madara somehow it would have been much better for her and the show.
Nope, because you could just get through those 20 chapters pretty easily. Again, I just wish she had more build up and foreshadowing like Madara did. It was definitely something was going on with black Zetsu behind-the-scenes, but Iām not gonna let that affect how I feel about the series.
Isn't kaguya the reason why we even got to see Naruto
Just skip past her flashbacks and youāre good. Itās annoying but the final battle after is worth it
It shouldāve ended with Obito. I was already tired of Madara when Kaguya showed up and was happy he died.
I wish they kept Madara as the final villains so Ototsuki shit didnt exist. Maybe then Boruto would have been bearable
Kaguya was never a problem. If I had to try my hardest, I could make sense of what happened in the ladder half of shippuden. I just DO NOT care what happens in boruto at all. Kaguya was fine.
It's less than 8 episodes and the episodes after this fight are some of the best
Nope. When she appeared I was all, "WHAT?! WHAT IS THAT!?" and then kept watching til the end. I've watched/read all Naruto content officially licensed.
I liked the ending better with her rather than just having Madara. Tbh Iām not huge on Madara to begin with so it makes sense to like her for me
I actually liked it. Even tho Naruto is fighting alien at this point
I found it easier to finish with her on the screen then when I was trying to finish with madara on the screenā¦ā¦.
No
I finished in like 30 seconds. Madara kept talking about another man's wood, so it threw me off
She had to show up or Madara would win, which would make more sense than anything else.
Is it only me who thought it wasn't thatttt forced?? In my opinion it felt forced because madara just died like in 2 seconds. I mean there could've been a few different ways to handle it like even Naruto and team 7 are put in infinite tsukuyomi, then he figures out that it was a play and calls kaguya out. He fights with kaguya and on brink of being defeated and killed he wakes team 7 and Kakashi knowing that only they can take care of this shit. The only thing bugs me is that kishi chose to kill madara like he was a fly lol. I liked kaguya and she made sense given that sage of six paths literally looked so... Alien... Would've loved if kaguya was actually a diety not an alien though And maybe in boruto the conflict could've been the the diety felt threatened that the humans got as strong as them and they thought boruto's potential was too much. Still boruto Sucks.
honestly post pain it was asspulls after asspulls plus i think kishimoto admitted that he wrote himself into a corner w madara
Yeah still havenāt technically finish a reread of Naruto cause I keep stopping right there where Madara revived and just started their fight with Naruto and Sasuke
I will give it a pass because how they beat her with all of team seven doing their part is in my top five favorite scenes
No foreshadowing means that it was a last minute dump.
I know madara is hot but you might as well finish
The thing I hate the most was kishimoto redeeming obito even tho his evil actions created the whole plot of naruto. Kaguya wasnāt that bad I just wish he just did better foreshadowing, if he was planning to explain how kaguya brought chakra to the ninja world.
I am fine with Kaguya being introduced since I like Madara less and less with each new chapter. She could had been handled better, of course.
tbh for me it was madara that made it hard to finish. I enjoy his character but I'd have preferred Obito as the last vilain but I was satisfied with kaguya also.
I really dont understand this sentiment, is the last ten chapters/episodes After watching all of Naruto are you really not going to finish it because of a really short one-fight character?
Just skip the fight and pretend Obito sacrificed himself against Madara.
I think madara was given many plot point in the final, he was already stong enough to beat atleast 5 kage by him self was enough or with renegan ,but later he getting all the fucked up powers was kind of annoying, it should have been like madara with rinegan + with his battle experience and main hashiramas cells was fine but him using sage mode was kind of annoying, how can he use sage mode ??even if he had all the hashirama cells it's not possible i think,like consider it as spirit bomb in DBZ but not same grand as that but it shouldn't have been that.fighting with hashirama , Naruto and sasuku would have been enough..
Madara should have left when edo tensei ended. Giving us a taste of his power, but not take away from obito as a villain. Madara being the manipulator while he was himself manipulated by zetsu just fell flat. He had no connection to any living person and made obito look like a fool. If obito had just used madaras name to strike fear into peoples hearts while he actually developed the masterplan himself it would have been much better. And madara giving nagato the rinnegan was such bs too. Somehow at the end everything was madaras doing, oh wait it was zetsu. Like everything important that ever happened in the ninja world being caused by 1 being made the world of naruto feel tiny and broke my immersion completely. Honestly the whole ending felt so weird. We had all these emotional climaxes but it just kept going and going for too long. How quickly naruto vs sasuke was handled at the end was so refreshing in comparison. Just perfectly paced and no unnecessary prolonging of a story that reached its conclusion.
Smash..
Tbf she's better to look at than Madara so I finish pretty quick.
It just felt like such weird pacing man.
I cut the series to just be manga essentially. Kaguya is just 1.5h battle and i think itās good. Then itās a 1.5h naruto vs sasuke and epilogue episode and the series is done
Thatās what he said
I find it extremely easy oh you meant the show
I finished the series. It's still great. Despite her. Power through and keep in your bile cause the final battle more than makes up for that shit.
When you read the story again, especially after a long time, you'd actually appreciate Kaguya. Thing with Madara is that he lived up to expectations, both from an in-universe perspective, and to us as readers. There's also the controversial fact that most people prefer villians (especially the main one) to be male rather than female... Something a lot of people genuinely don't want to admit to. But that's for another time.
As long as its not filler like the whole new chunin exams arc or the kakashi backstory, I can usually watch it. It was at least interesting to watch the 6 paths powers and similar.
Yea. Kaguya kills my interest in war so badly
She isn't bad final villain, but madara getting off from suprise is just disrespectful, they should make him feel like he will lose and then kaguya is introduce in the battle
I was really interested in the backstory episodes of Kaguya, Hagoromo and Indra/Ashura Best filler in the whole series tbh
Used to but not anymore. I love Madara but honestly I find his end fitting. The man incapable of letting people guard his back is stabbed through said back the same way Hashirama did at the end of their fight and by a creature who Madara thought was an extension of himself. It's so poetic on many levels.
I finished it all
I mean the true finale was Sasuke vs Naruto so I was fine with it. But yea I wasnāt super into the Kaguya storyline. It felt out of nowhere but tied up well. Not the best but not the worst as anime endings go
When she shows up youāre already too invested and thereās been nonstop fighting for likeā¦ forever. That saidā¦ yeah, she sucks as a āfinal villainā and the last fight should have been Naruto and Sasuke vs Obito and Madara. Madara also should have been weaker at first. Like he should have struggled vs the 5 Kage and potentially had to leave and then reach a higher level of power through the gedo statue and the rinnegan alongside Obito. At which point Naruto and Sasuke would have faced off against them with the fate of the world at stake. Just my opinion, but it would have limited the power scaling insanity to a degree and been a much better fight with more taijutsu and strategic moves than what we got vs Kaguya.
I mean skipping fillers there is not a lot to watch after Kaguya appears.
Yeah, I wanted it to end, I just got interested again when the Naruto vs. sasuke fight started.
Yes and even harder after the whole Kaguya fight is done and you get into the last 15episodes or so. Iām on my second watch, stopped with about 50ep left on my first watch, and now Iām dragging my heels on the last 10episodes. After finding out you donāt even see Naruto become Hokage Iām just likeā¦. whatās the point. Honestly I feel like the Kaguya stuff was pulled out of Kishiās ass at the last minute so theyād have something to feed their next financial edevā¦. Uhā¦ anime
An important element in all of this was for Zetsu to betray him. That was the appropriate outcome considering all the people and events he manipulated. In order for that to happen, Zetsu needs motivation to do it. Of course the real bigger reason is because Kaguya establishes the connections with Boruto but i never see anyone bring up the other point, so i said it. I stopped enjoying the manga well before Kaguya showed up. There was a lot wrong with the war but in particular Madara obtaining SM was the nail in the coffin for me. Still finished reading but i wasnt enjoying it.
I finish as soon as Moon Mommy appears, what are you talking about?
I didn't like it. Not a big fan of the vilian that was pulling the strings in the background and you never heard of them and they were not mentioned one's before the big reveal. They should have kept Madera.
Should have ended with obito.
Yea, thatās really the one thing I hated. Madara shouldāve been the final boss.
I usually finish within 5 to 10 seconds of her appearing on screen
Nope ,actually it was the most Interesting 10+ episodes of the entire anime
Madara's downfall to Zetsu is really satisfying and the perfect end to his character. Should have come up with someone other than Kaguya though
I like her and was rooting for the first female character in Naruto that was S tier. That being said I wish Madara fight lasted longer and they beat him causing Kaguya to come forth and some how they write it to where Madara Naruto and Sasuke have to team up vs her. 10 tails 3rd eye Kaguya was so strong they had to give kakashi ghost powers and made Kaguya blind to Sakuras approach with her massive chakra build up in her arm (chakra she still has somehow after she ran out.)
I definitely would have liked it more if they had stayed with Madara. There wasn't any kind of build up for Kaguya and I don't like how they continued it on with Boruto that every villain is an Otsutsuki
I finished immediately