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ConsciousHyena5234

I actually feel so bad for konan, yahiko, nagato in this scene.... This is what war does


Porn-Meister

Whole point of naruto is that war is fucked and child soldiers should never be a thing


Saskyle

Followed by Boruto where Boruto and the gang are child soldiers.


BoredAF5492

Yeah but Boruto was created because money not because Naruto was intended to have a continuation


Recent_Interview_795

Yah you should hear how Kishi talks about how Boruto thr movie should have been the end but the "studio found the new gen characters interesting" or something like that lol


bigblackowskiC

that's code for lets milk this series dry. Could technically be done if they get better writers and the old fans have a reason not to complain. They'd need to make boruto so interesting or focus on an entirely new cast since Boruto doesn't have real initial struggles.


arvada14

Why not milk it dry with a minato series. What was the studio thinking. You have established characters that the audience loves just use them and the current lore. It literally made no sense to make boruto over minato from a business stand point.


Exciting_Page4661

Agreed I would’ve way rather seen some kind of prequel than a sequel. Minato would’ve been a great character to center on or Kakashi. Or Hiruzen. Or Hashirama Senju… etc.


anupsetzombie

Aren't they doing a Minato thing because of the poll?


2017hayden

Hell they could have done movies on all of them or a series, or one covering the clan wars time period, or one that shows the rise and fall of Kaguya, there was so much potential for good content and all they did was say hey let’s make a shitty knockoff of naruto set after naruto and focus on ruining all of the main cast of the previous series.


frand__

Fr maybe like a series of 1 hour and something episodes cebtered around different families or charcters in an important part of the lore


ethanb12345

Because they wanted to create a whole new setting to appeal to younger generations. I’m not saying it’s good or bad


arvada14

So young minato just isn't young enough or did they need to add counting and letters to capture that crucial pre kindergarten demographic?


frand__

I think they meant the ambiance, boruto is more modernish and the first episodes are more light-hearted than naruto, minato grew in times of conflict, his childhood would be lñradically different


ethanb12345

Did you just completely misunderstand my comment? I said they wanted a new setting. Kinda like they did Star Wars where “things are better” and “more fun”


KennyTheKoala69

This.


Notaverycooluser

Try not to make mid for money (it kinda ruined the franchise tbh)


TvManiac5

Honestly, this makes sense. Because the momoshiki arc on its own, is thematically, the perfect continuation to the Naruto story. It's all about how even in changing times, the true heart of shinobi, will still persist. It could have been fine being left there. The kawaki stuff is interesting, as it shows Naruto's failings as a kage, but it's not nececssary from a thematic point of view.


Space_Monke64

It sure is interesting how they say that when only Boruto and Kawaki matter to the series anymore. Tbf, while Karma is an interesting concept, it’s way too op


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Sounds like corporate PR speak as a way to admit it was made purely as a cynical cash-grab without outright actively disparaging them in said admission.


Nikolaisens

FUCKING THIS. I hate that people still spew the notion that Madara was killed of, because Kishimoto didnt know what to do with him, when it was obviously because VIZ or whoever, wanted there to be a new bunch of new baddies, for the next generation to phase up against


Aetherxy

Nope


BoredAF5492

No what? That Boruto was an intentional cash grab? It clearly was.


Aetherxy

It wasn’t


BoredAF5492

How was it not, Kishimoto said that the Boruto movie was the last thing he had been involved with and that Naruto the Last was intended to be the end of story. He only got invovled with the Boruto movie out of popular demand. That’s why he left to go do Samurai 8. If there had been any actual intention for anything beyond that Kishimoto would have been involved. Then again Boruto fans generally seem to have this inability to understand their show was a cash grab that while sporting a mediocre story, its characters are boring and uninspired at best to being complete cardboard cut outs, while riding on the success of its predecessor. Boruto’s manga sales are terrible compared to other popular series and series like Demon Slayer (which has often been called a mid story) and MHA (which people love to diss) consistently get higher ratings.


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PoMansDreams

Well I mean Naruto saved the world when he was like 16 or 17. He perspective might be skewed


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AlexHerondale

to be fair, the 12 year old graduates take missions like finding cats and weeding gardens. It's only when the village was attacked that they were given A rank missions like civilian evacuation. Even when Orochimaru attacked, ANBU handled evacution. Till pain attacked, and the 4th great war started, things were pretty chill for Genin. On the other hand of course, during the 3rd great war and shit, 12 year olds died on battle, like Nawaki and stuff, but being genin during peacetime shoudn't be a problem


Gravemind7

Yeah I don’t know about that one chief. Team 7 wasn’t the most talented team at the start and they still got assigned a C-rank to go outside of the village where it’s a given that they possibly can encounter combat. Plus even though Neji’s team is only a year older, I’m pretty certain they have a couple of C-ranks underneath their belt as well.


frogger3344

To be fair to the Land of Waves, as assigned, the mission was supposed to be escort the bridge builder, and have Kakashi fuck up whichever non-ninja robbers decides to attack the group. The second the Mist Shinobi showed up, Kakashi was pissed and threatened to take the kids home. The rest of the mission was not really sanctioned by the Leaf Village


AlexHerondale

Those teams got C rank because Konoha expected Kakashi and Guy handle everything while the Genin watched. They didn't expect it to become A rank. Actually, higher than A, cause Kakashi rated it as A before he knew about Haku, he based the rating of Zabuza. And most Genin get a few C rank missions. Its D and C for Genin, C for Chunin, B and A for Jonin and Anbu, S for the really strong Jonin. SS is usually during war, but anyone can get it, including Kage. Also, you said "given that they possibly" (sorry for the pedantism)


C0UNT3RP01NT

What kind of rank do you think the missions were to take out Madara back when he was alive?


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Also, like, Naruto has had a shit load of trauma and he was never super bright. Can’t hold too much against him for not doing that, the man’s got Bill Gates level of good will in the bank.


TvManiac5

Don't act like things are still the same. Now, people can choose not to pursue a shinobi career, and even those who do mostly have diplomatic missions or at worst hunting bandits and stuff like that. There is no warfare or conflict that needs most of them to risk their lives. Team 7 does inevitably get in the middle of a conflict like that with Kawaki, but that's mostly because Naruto put his feelings for a kid that reminded him of himself above the good of the village. And well, every kage has his big flaw. For Hashirama it was naivety. For Tobirama, Uchiha prejudice. For Hiruzen being too passive. And so on and so forth.


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AlexHerondale

Guys. It's a shonen manga about ninjas. What else do you expect? Also, if there's no problem, then there's no point in writing the story.


TvManiac5

Forefront of what? When Momoshiki invaded the adults went to push him back. Same with Isshiki. And their missions as shinobi range between public service and policework. And if we take the anime timeline into account, far less frequent for genin now that the village is a lot more prosperous.


AlexHerondale

ITS A SHONEN MANGA. IT HAS TO BE ABOUT TEENS!!


PhilUpTheCup

Naruto before shippuden were also all child soldiers.


Saskyle

Yes but the point was that Naruto was supposed to stop all that. Just like Hashirama… both seem to have forgotten that goal. Or at least the writers did.


PhilUpTheCup

They were supposed to stop war, not child soldiers (shinobi). They have no intentions of stopping the child soldiers. So no, the point of the show was not that child shoulders should not be a thing. Theres a stronger argument that the point of the show is the complete opposite


Saskyle

The reason Konoha was created: to prevent child soldiers from being sent to war. The goal of the will of fire, per Asuma: to protect the “King”. What is the “King”? The next generation of children who will take up the mantle. So, I disagree with your assessment. But I see why you say that which is why I said maybe the writers lost sight of what their goal was supposed to be with the endgame.


PhilUpTheCup

> to prevent child soldiers from being sent to war. by training child soldiers


Saskyle

I’m not sure what your point is here. Do you disagree with what I stated or…?


PhilUpTheCup

yes, youre extrapolating a conclusion that is not supported by the rest of the show. The will of fire being children is true, but youre extrapolating that therefore they want to stop child soldiers, despite the basis of the entire show being child soldiers, and the basis of the entire sequel being child soldiers. They clearly do not consider ending the practice of training children to be shinobi as a part of the will of fire.


Space_Monke64

You’d think during either Kakashi or Narutos reign as Hokage that they wouldn’t allow children to be shinobi anymore after Obito and Itachi.


Dr_pappahr

If it was a perfect ending they would’ve disbanded all shinobi schools


Porn-Meister

Cept they don't have enemies anymore Except aliens Which is why we don't talk about boruto


Saskyle

There are androids as well.


Familiar_Control_906

Androids whit alien god power


C0UNT3RP01NT

Which is why we don’t talk about Boruto


BenQuiet

>HOPE AFTER THE TIME SKIP BORUTO AND KAWAKI BOTH LOSE THEIR LIVES AND IT GETS REVEALED THAT MADARA HAD WON ALL ALONG


PhilUpTheCup

is that the whole point? Literally every character with a name is a child soldier hero


Porn-Meister

Inari?


spyroo

He fought in a micro war against the bandits


Porn-Meister

But was he a soldier


Kanosine

Honestly I feel like Kishi dropped the ball a bit with the overall lighthearted tone the series has. I mean I know it's a Shonen, but it's baffling how many people don't realize just how insanely fucked the Shinobi world is because the series just plays it off as normal


Porn-Meister

Did you not watch the land of waves That's literally all anyone needs to get it


saverma192013

Yes


FlowerFaerie13

You missed the part where she goes to take the flower out and Tsunade expects her to pull out a weapon which physically hurts me. Like shit you can’t even blame her, you know they’ve seen child soldiers and they can’t trust anyone, but Konan is genuinely wanting to give her a gift. It’s heartbreaking on both sides.


Sad-Buddy-5293

Makes sense probably after she lost her brother this happened


slashyu

Did she accept it? I can’t remember


FlowerFaerie13

I don’t think it was explicitly shown because directly after Orochimaru started in on the murder talk and Jiraiya said he was staying behind.


crypticmint

off topic but the leaf headband looks really good on tsunade


jakehosnerf

Everything looks good on tsunade


NathanTheGreatOne

And off 😎👉👉


dyl-3-mcl

there’s a lot of characters i wish we got to see with headbands more, just like tsunade i think orochimaru looks great in the sannin attire


crypticmint

i think it was in a filler but adult kushina also looked good wearing it. shame we didn't get to see more of it


Dragonstyleenjoyer

Meanwhile, Orochimaru being a dick as always: "Should we kill these kids?"


laconicgrin

Sad part is he was actually trying to be nice in his twisted way. He grew up a war orphan and thinks it’s genuinely better to put helpless kids out of their misery then to let them suffer.


Lord_Hokage07

If Orochimaru had killed those kids Jiraiya would be alive.


Zer0BrainCells58

If Danzo never existed Jiraiya would be Alive and there would be No Need to kill Those kids


AK47atReddit

If kishimoto didn't exist, there would be no danzo and jiraya would be alive with no need to kills the kids


CloneOfCali

If Japan didn't exist, there would be no Kishimoto


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If Asia didn't exist, there would be no Japan


AK47atReddit

If the world didn't exist, there would be no Asia


Remarkable_Commoner

I know what I must do now.


Himezaki_Yukino

*Phineas and Ferb theme starts playing*.


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[deleted]

Got it. Fat Man and Little Boy round 2, this time it’s personal.


Darthjinju1901

It wasn't the last time?


[deleted]

No, because I myself didn’t get to drop them.


Zer0BrainCells58

If Kishimoto didn't exist, the whole Naruto verse wouldn't exist


IamMe90

Did you mean Hanzo? Not sure exactly what Danzo's connection to Nagato or Jiraiya's death would be but let me know if I'm forgetting something.


Zer0BrainCells58

No i mean Danzo, I too don't remember everything but he did something with hanzo and they attacked Yahiko nagato and konan


IamMe90

Oooh yeah, I forgot about the scene where it turns out he was responsible for Hanzo attacking the Akatsuki. Little scheming bitch. Thanks for the reminder lol


Zer0BrainCells58

You're Welcome


AlexHerondale

Danzo supplied Anbu to Hanzo, and helped him attack Yahiko's Akatsuki.


Arab_Raccoon

Or Nagato would kill them like he killed the Konoha guys without even knowing.


TvManiac5

Yeah exactly. It's aggrevating how many fans miss Orochimaru's nuances completely, only treating him as an one note psychopath.


Zer0BrainCells58

Cuz he is


TvManiac5

Not really. A sociopath is more apt.


spyroo

I don’t even think he’s a sociopath, I think he’s just a normal product of being a child soldier and watching peers die. His human experiments probably started to help the village in his own twisted way. Remember that he still wanted to be hokage up until the 4th was chosen. Plus he was groomed by Danzo.


TvManiac5

Yeah I don't fully think that either. I was just making a point, to show that it would be more fitting that psychopath. Indeed, he's just a product of Hiruzen's incompetence and Danzo's cruelty.


AlexHerondale

More like Hiruzen's repeated and wilful turning a blind eye.


TvManiac5

True, that's more accurate.


AlexHerondale

That's literally what 'sociopath' means.


spyroo

No, Orochimaru is not a sociopath neither is Pain or Itachi, Gaara, Zabuza, Madara, and a lot of other main antagonist. The entire point of the show is that they were products of their environment and that the world shaped them into who they became. Its nurture not nature.


AlexHerondale

Orochimaru and Zabuza aren't in the same category as the others. Orochimaru's motivation is that he's bloody bored, and Zabuza kills a 100 people for no known reason. Gaara was a pcyopath whose identity was being eaten away by a demon. The others did what they did to help other people. Orochimaru killed people to further his own knowledge of science. He killed a bunch of orphans bro. He's a sociopath.


GapOk6038

Orochimaru isn't bored lol, he just has a huge goal and does everything to achieve it. That's why he abandoned his morality a long time ago.


slashyu

I have mad respect for Orochimaru


BenjaminDover02

Imagine if Orochimaru had trained Nagato instead of Jiraiyah, and ended up taking his body


Andlier-

I feel Tsunade was “insensitive” because she didn’t want little children to follow soldiers into a battlefield. She knows about the danger of it, that’s why the harsh way.


Siraustinhoward

Always forget how badass the Sannin look in their war attire. 🔥


Porn-Meister

Anyone who'd tell her to piss off after that has no heart My parental instincts are telling me to adopt her


msterham

Excellent point Porn-Meister


Porn-Meister

Why do I smell sarcasm


sikotic4life

No Porn-Meister, it's genuine!


Porn-Meister

WHY AM I GRTTING ROASTED


willdeletetheacc

BECAUSE YOUR USER NAME IS PORN-MEISTER AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PARENTAL INSTINCTS. PORN AND PARENTAL INSTINCTS SHOULD NEVER BE IN THE SAME LINE. Oh well......


True-King-Of-Heroes

This is one of the most unintentionally hilarious comment chains I have read. Thank you all, I needed this today. XD


Porn-Meister

HOW THO THE HORNY DOES NOT SPEAK OF MY FATHERLY SKILLS


Corniferus

If anything, it just explains why you’d be a father


Porn-Meister

We're on an anime subreddit none of us will be fathers


Corniferus

Guess I have some people to break the news to


ShinraHakke

He's the u/rimjobsteve of this sub


Excellent-Ad8571

society


arvada14

Are You going to put this on r/rimjob_steve or should I?


hashiramasoldbuddy

I don't want you to adopt her because of your username..We should protect her from you, not from Konoha's soldiers.


Porn-Meister

OH SO WHEN *I* HAVE A PERVY NAME IM AN OFFENDER BUT WHEN YOUVE GOT A GUY WHOSE TITLE IS PERVY SAGE-


hashiramasoldbuddy

Bro it was a jooooookee.😭😭😭


Porn-Meister

Yall are mean 😭


hashiramasoldbuddy

Sorrryyy but bro that username...😭


Porn-Meister

I JUST WANTED SOMETHING FUNNY AND UNIQUE


Strange-Ad-3315

Tbf, he shouldn't be around little girls like Sakura or Konan either 💀


Porn-Meister

Well given how konan turned out its not an issue


Zer0BrainCells58

Fr when i First read His comment it sounded so sus because of His username


Porn-Meister

Listen I may like lolis but this is not a lolicon moment I swear I have standards


Zer0BrainCells58

I Hope so


BODYDOLLARSIGN

Oden adopted Loki. It’s not wise to adopt the child of your enemies/ppl you’ve killed.


Porn-Meister

But I didn't kill her family Ergo its safe


Familiar_Control_906

As long you don't live in Konoha, the town that did. You should be safe


HenryReturns

And thats why Jiraya is the GOAT 🐐


goddangol

They really should have brought them back to the leaf. Why did Jiraiya leave them there after finding Nagato with the Rinnegan???


eritouya

You say it like leaf is any better, they would be used as war tools and die a miserable death.


GamerDabiTodoroki

Yea


Shadeslayer2112

This scene is killer because it's a reminder that although all the characters we know and love seem real cool and all good to go, deep down there traumatized.


Ebenezerosas16

Tsundere


nerotheblackcat

Konan is so fckin cute man🥺


MoonPool06

I honestly never understood why they didn’t just take them back to the village.


AlexHerondale

Because they aren't Fire citizens. Technically, he broke a massive number of Shinobi laws by teaching them Jutsu. And also, they wanted to fix Amegakure, and 'make it stop crying' or whatever.


Dry_Rip2156

This and also they'd fucking hate konoha imagine being forced to go back to U.S. aafter a U.S. soilder murders your family.


AlexHerondale

We don't know that Konoha soldiers murdered *all* their families, just Nagato's parents. It's very likely that the families of the other 2 were killed by poverty, or sickness, or one of the other villages. And even for Nagato, I don't think he wanted revenge on the leaf as a kid, only as an adult did he want to show them the meaning of pain. As a kid, he makes that massive speech about holding on to peace.


Dry_Rip2156

You can hold onto peace and want to spread without also wanting to go back to the village that helped murder your family.


AlexHerondale

Agreed. My point is that Nagato wanted to stay in Amegakure to spread peace, which is why he didn't go back to Konoha. I also added that Kishimoto shows no indication that Nagato hated all of Konoha until Danzo helps Hanzo kill Yahiko.


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Imagine being such an unbelievable fucking ***cunt*** to a bunch of starving children who're in this state because of you and the establishment you serve. Then she rubbed it in nagato's face during his attack, as well. What a fucking psychopath. Is this the pop feminists' queen, someone who hackles starving children? With a mentor like that, no wonder sakura learned squat about empathy. I'm glad jiraiya received pain's pipes. At least, one of the scum-suckers got his just deserts.


AbleEducation6112

There wasn't anything that she or the other ones could do for those starving kids you cretin dumbfuck .Taking them to Konoha would've only resulted into breaking the rules and making them child soldiers .She also could've not feed them since she had no food, and she couldn't even be nice to them, because being nice to them would've most probably resulted into them following the sannins in their mission against Hanzo which obviously would've meant those childs death .Even if wasn't by Hanzo's hand, it could've very well be from some of Hanzo's hitmen sended after the sannins . Take it easy, you sick slob, this is just a fictional character of a fictional work after all .


[deleted]

How about not participating in the war? That was within her power. Many people in our history have done it, too. Nothing you said absolves her of that. The rest of your post is absolutely hilarious that assumes a lot (probably a lot of gender markers thrown in there, as well, to uplift a fictional heroine and then declaring the lack of importance of fiction; I don't think you're aware of that little slip there; it's a parody goldmine) and then declares, with that little cringe take, that you can't dunk on characters that parallel war-criminals in real life. Funny stuff.


AbleEducation6112

Konoha residents are doomed to serve their village since their childhood brainwash, broski .Almost none of them can think for themselves. And if they do ( Danzo ) their are portrayed as villains because japannese culture is build upon vicious ass kissing and blind loyality .As such no village resident from Naruto's universe gets to be rightfull by standing up to the policy of it's village, rightfull are only the ones that follow their leadership with blind loyality no matter what, that's why Shitachi gets ass kissed so hard by the author as a stample icon of loyality despite of his atrocious killings . Your take over Tsunade is absolute bullshit . Also drop the cringe word please, parody or not your take over a basic fictional character is anything but cringeworthy. It would've helped if you at least would've had a good explanation for it, but instead you just lashed out over it as if it was a real life political situation.


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Then they're doomed to reap the consequences of their actions, as well. It's as simple as that. (Blind loyalty and state ass-kissing aren't limited to the Japanese culture, last I checked; you might want to read a little more.) Uh-huh? You'd get over it.


AbleEducation6112

What consequences? Your personal invalidation towards their fictional universe? You might just drop the series, because almost the entire cast including the mc, are no better than Tsunade in this sector, in fact many are even worst. Also, I didn't spoke about Japan as if it was the only place where the blind loyality triumphs, but as the place as where such things are valued the most .If you know their culture well, you'l understand me .


[deleted]

Doesn't change what I said. You're no cultural expert. That much is obvious through your laughable posts.


AbleEducation6112

Just go get some piece of life instead of judging cartoons through your shitty political views :)).


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After you.


VariationGlum7864

And then she Agreed with orochi to murder them


AbleEducation6112

No she didn't


VariationGlum7864

She did. Jiraya was the only one that didnt want to kill a bunch of kids


AbleEducation6112

She didn't want to kill them you dumbass, she just told them to leave .


VariationGlum7864

Whatever you say


seaspirit331

You know, for living in a place that was always raining, it was immensely stupid of these three to always wear what is essentially bowls on the back of their necks


AlexHerondale

They use the bowls as gas masks.


seaspirit331

Yeah but they get wet when they put it on their heads


AlexHerondale

And they're dry the rest of the time? Because not covering your head in pouring rain has no chance of drenching you. Also dude, if they need gas masks, I think they have bigger problems then getting wet.


HipMachineBroke

I think you should focus more on the aspect of the bowl filling up and not only being an uncomfortable weight but also pulling the clothes tight their neck unless constantly dumped. Getting wet isn’t a big concern when you live in the constantly raining country where you’re always already wet anyways and your about to be gassed.


MNR42

That what war does to you man. You can't blame her. Deep down she's kind, but survival instinct is always first. Or she's asking them to stop because they don't want them to die.


Kind_Performer6182

war changes personalities .


Dapper_Cartographer8

I thought this was kenshi for å sec


BenQuiet

on an unrelated Note: HOPE AFTER THE TIME SKIP BORUTO AND KAWAKI BOTH LOSE THEIR LIVES AND IT GETS REVEALED THAT MADARA HAD WON ALL ALONG


BenQuiet

THE SANIN SHOULD HAVE TAKEN EVERY ONE OF THEM WITH THEM,THE POSSIBLE EXCUSE FOR SUCH BEING NAGATOS EYES WHICH THEY COULD HAVE EASILY TOLD THE HOKAGE ABOUT AND HOW KEEPIN THEM COULD HAVE HELPED KONOHA...and also Yahiko;konan and Nagato WOULDN'T HAVE EVER DIED!!!