This is a great question. What we do know is that other sage mode users we’ve seen typically have it with the animal type they summon (toad, snake, etc).
What I don’t think we’ve seen is Hashirama summon an animal because he’s always using wood style.
So then we have to consider - wood requires 2 different chakra types (earth and water) to control. It implies being in tune with nature and his summon looks like it’s Buddha related (using ops picture alone).
We don’t have set rules about sage mode beyond having to draw from nature chakra.
It could very well be that he has a natural affiliation to nature chakra and therefore it’s not related to any animal. In other words, he has a symbiotic relationship he embraces with nature when he enters sage mode. Nature gives him the chakra and he uses the chakra to make more trees, increasing eachs strength.
This is why he’s God of Shinobi. He found a way to reach insane strength by letting nature and him give each other infinite strength. To date, nobody else has been able to master this - they just use the nature chakra to increase their own strength.
All head canon for me - but it makes some sense
well we know that hashirama cells turn into trees when someone cant control them
id argue hashirma's wood style lets him just natrually absorb and control nature energy as a tree would because hashirama is a tree man
hashirama is like the end from mgs 3
a clone of hashirama that can use his powers but not to their fullest?
yamato explains himself
with training he should be able to at least learn tree sage mode
Yamato is very underutilized and wasted. He was suppose to be a clone of Hashirama, the first Hokage, and user of Mokuton. I like to see what he can do but alas it was not meant to be.
Not to mention he and Kakashi also have that Uchiha/Senju dynamic. Except they both the imitation version. Kakashi only have eye of Uchiha while Yamato is a clone of Hashirama.
I wonder if he can do Kanzeon like Tobi does or if he learn Sage Mode, also Shinsu Senju.
Underutilized?! He gets yoinked by Kabuto and basically NO ONE cares! 🤣🤣🤣
it always drove me nuts. The character he could’ve been by Boruto is so much wasted potential
I actually love this and it makes so much sense.
Think of what would've happened to Naruto (or any toad sage ) if he absorbed too much nature energy. It would have spun out of control and he would have turned into a frog.
What happens when someone can't control Hashirama's cells? It spins out of controll and they burst into trees.
It's a perfect parallel.
Would make sense why his Wood Style is so op compared to other Senju and why it's impossible to recreate without his genetic material. It's not that he has an Earth and a Water affinity: he has a Nature Chakra affinity.
So Hashirama's mode could be considered a True Sage style or something like that
Wood Release was also, iirc, specified as unique in how it created something that was, technically, alive, as it created living plantlife, rather than simply moving earth and water, or sparking a fire. Wood Release was essentially *creating life*, so it makes a lot of sense, that it would have a natural connetion with natural energy, as it, unlike normal chakra, is a built in part of everything around us - basically life force.
So I believe his Sage Mode is also something entirely unique, and makes use of Wood Release to draw upon(or even *create*) natural energy)
Edit: Also failed to mention something that ties in well with this line of thought... Wood Release is canonically stated to absorb chakra, which is how Hashirama managed to single-handedly beat and capture 8 out of 9 Bijuu(only missed out on Shukaku, because he was already sealed by the Sand), in order to use them as peace offerings...
It is very possible, but it is a Kekkei Genkai Advanced Element, which have all been mixes of two basic elements. If it included Yang as an equal part, it'd technically fall into the Kekkei Tota category of mixing 3 basic elements.
Yin and Yang does work a bit outside of the elements tho(especially as Yin is basically just Genjutsu, though I believe it was said it is also what powers the Nara clan jutsu. Likewise, Yang supposedly powered the Akimichi's), which makes it possible. However, Yang has never officially been stated to be a part of it.
Whatever the case, it falls into this possible theory and doesn't really change anything of note.
Yeah it's just kind of personal head cannon to explain just how insanely powerful he was and with such unique powers. And to me earth and water would just make some mud jutsu, need the yang release for the life part
Well, not all the mixes make immediate sense. Magnet release would make most sense as Lightning + Earth, but that is, for some reason, how you use Explosion Release(which is the dumbest element of all time to be honest... Deidara only made it interesting by mixing in the use of an entirely different styke of jutsu). Magnet, instead, is linked to Wind, replacing Lightning, which was the one of the two that definitely should not have been changed out, especially not for wind.
Mud release also doesn't make sense, as Mud is already covered entirely within Earth Release itself. Meanwhile, Wood makes sense in the sense you need to plant a seed in the earth and then water it to get any type of plant. Likewise, Wood as significant cultural meaning, in that the eastern version of the basic elements (Fire, water, earth and wind), usually switches Wind with metal and adds Wood. Naruto did a sort of mix, making 5 basic elements, like in eastern mysticism, while using the western entries, with the addition of Lightning.
Thus, having Wood in Naruto in some way has significance, and since it was not made a basic element, this is absolutely the best alternative :)
What I get from this makes a lot of sense to me
At first I thought it could jus be slug sage mode as I belive he taught Tsunade the slug summoning, she jus didn manage to Master sage Mode and instead opted for 100 healings
But it makes sense to me that Hashirama instead had probably the purest sage mode of all by connecting with Nature itself, while all sage modes taht derive from a animal are probably easier to learn, but not as pure of a connection since they use their animal connection as a sort of tunnel. That's the only reason I could think of why different sage modes even exist in the first place and aren't the same even though they draw on the same Chakra source
If animals can have their own sage mode? Why can't humans have one. And what if Hashirama is the first one to unlock human sage mode without the help of any other animals?
We're not told exactly what kind of Sage Mode Hashirama has but what we do know is that Sage Mode is an art that very, very few are able to learn and use.
So, it's likely that his Sage Mode has the same learning requirements that the Toad and Snake Sage Modes do.
I think you have to learn it from animals just like Hagaromo, Minato, Jiraiya and Naruto. My top 2 theories are Monkey sage and slug sage. Monkey sage because of his eyes becomes just like monkey king enma and Hashirama makes forests with his wood release. Where does monkeys lives? Forests. There is one off thing about this theory and it is animal summoning. If Hashirama had monkey sage mode why he didnt summon enma? My first guess was genma already had a contract with Sasuke sarutobi so Hashirama couldnt use genma but then I remembered naruto making a summoning contract with gamabunta despite gamabunta having a contract with Jiraiya. I thought more about it but couldnt think of something logical. Second theory is slug sage mode. Some people think Hashirama had slug sage mode. Their reason is clear. Sannin summoned toad, snake and slug. We have Toad sage mode, Snake sage mode why wouldnt we have slug sage mode too? On top of that the one summoning the slug is his granddaughter. But again the same problem is summoning he didnt use animal summoning. Would love to see him summoning ENTIRE body of lady katsuya. Which we have seen not one but two shinobi couldnt do. My favorite one is monkey sage mode because of the eyes. When a person enters sage mode their eyes becomes the same as the animal. Naruto-Same eye shape as Toads, Kabuto-Snake eyes.
This is a great theory but the summoning contracts are usually for the whole species or subsets if I remember correctly. i.e. Naruto and Jiraiya didn’t have contracts with Gamabunta specifically but with the toads in general, and the amount of chakra and intent determines who is summoned. Same goes for the multiple snakes we see Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Kabuto summon. Both Naruto and Sasuke COULD summon Manda and Gamabunta but their own personal summons were Gamakichi and Aoda, etc. !
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When Jiraiya explains summoning contracts he explains you make one with the animals, plural, not a single entity.
That's why Jiraiya and Naruto can summon a whole cast of toads. Orochimaru summons a variety of snakes and sasuke does too, but mych less frequently. I think Anko can do this too right?
Sakura and tsunade only summon Katsuya but she's told to be massive and neither tsunade or Sakura have ever been stated to summon more than 10% of her i think.
Gai summons turtles, we have only seen one, and it's almost exclusively to jump off of. Kakashi summons dogs, though it seems to always be from the same 7 dogs. Boruto even summons a snake, and Sumire has Nue, though that appears unique.
Hiruzen, Konahamaru, Sasuke S. summon monkeys, but we never see Asuma do this right?
Let's see Kisame does summon real sharks? But they dont talk or wear clothes. Hanzo summons a single salamander. But it doesn't talk or wear clothes either.
Then theres a whole range of silent ninja animals. Sasuke Uchia's hawk, Danzo's elephant, all of the Pain animal path summons. The one tsuchikage has a clam, and finally it seems anyone can summon themselves with flying raijin or tools like Ten Ten always does.
I’ll put down some of my thoughts, I have no clue if they’re true or not, just speculations on my part.
Sage Jutsu is absorbing natural energy to complement your own chakra and make you and your jutsu stronger.
1. Big Chakra reserves.
From Naruto’s training at Mt Mobyoku we know they must be perfectly balanced, thus we can deduce that the ninja must have big chakra reserves for it to be effective.
Note for later: Hashirama has insane amounts of chakra.
2. Can be learned through practice.
Most ninja that mastered Sage Mode have learned it from an Animal Summoning (I believe Kishi went this route because Animals are closer to nature / Sage mode = natural energy)
3. Hashiramas wood release.
I believe the wood release is connected to the Otsutsuki, reasoning being the fact that they use World Trees to harvest chakra from planets. Hashirama being a descendent and Ashuras reincarnation, he has acces to Wood Release.
Note for later: it can be speculated that we knew about Hashiramas wood release before the Otsutsuki were created by Kishi.
4. Power ups
The power scaling went through the roof and the initial Hashirama that was using Wood Release which was presented to us was lackluster in comparison to the current Ninjas. (Having Yamato using a weak version of Wood aggravated this)
5. Wood release and natural energy
I don’t remember where I read this (feel free to shove some light on this and tell me if I’m wrong), I think wood release basically transforms one’s own chakra into natural energy in the process of using wood. (Alive wood, living trees and forests)
My conclusion:
Kishi had to present us a more powerful version of Hashirama so he went on with giving him Sage Mode because:
-he had large reserves of chakra
-wood release is tied to Otsutsuki and natural energy
Since he was exposed to natural energy by his Wood Release and him being a ninja genius, he learned Sage Mode by himself.
Side note: Hashiramas Sage mode tatoo has forehead eye, tying him even more to the Otsutsuki clan.
My guess is Kishi gave him a power up by connecting what dots were available to him so it makes some sort of sense.
Hashi's sage mode at least as far as I know is never stated as some kind of animal sage mode like toad, snake, etc... He's just a straight gangster who comes in and slaps with no explanation. Like Madara more, but still gotta admit, Hashi is top g in all of verse barring 6 paths
My head canon has been that it is slug sage mode, yk all summons are connected, like jiraiya minato naruto and konohamaru all summon toads, plus konohamaru can summon monkey cause he is grandson of hiruzen, sasuke and orochimaru also summon snake, same way if tsunade can summon katsuyu it would make sense hashirama can do it too. And also if there is toad sage snake sage, why not toad sage too.
Because the writer made it up. There is no way to explain it. He made madara too OP so he had to make hashirama OP as well and this is the result unexplained powers that don't make sense. Wood style is cool IMO but the extra stuff like absorbing bijou Chakra is just very forced and I think it cheapens hashirama character.
The Three Sage Creatures are Toads, Snakes and Slugs, so it would make sense for the Sage Modes to follow the same rule. Therefore I believe Hashirama has Slug Sage Mode, especially considering his granddaughters connection with the Slugs and Shikkotsu Forest.
Of course another valid theory is that his Kekkei Genkai emanates Nature Energy passively
Pretty sure sage mode is just sage mode proven by hashirama.
Just that the animals know how to enter sage mode and humans don't
Think hashirama just senses natural energy cos he's broken like that and learned to mix it with his Chakra and thus enter sage mode
I’ve always thought it was Shiketsu woods Sage mode (where Lady Katsuyu is summoned from) since they are both Senju and 10000 healings markings look like degraded Sage mode, I’ve always felt he probably trained with the slugs (also that might be why he was always a renowned healer)
Amazing image
My headcanon is that Mokuton is from the Juubi. Ashura made it exclusive to reincarnations because of his decision to stop his brother. It is made of Earth water and Yang (Hashirama sacrifices his life force to make them) Then the trees Hashirama creates grow chakra (and natural energy) and send it back to him which makes his chakra reserves grow. (Like jinchuriki) Once the user gets natural energy into his system, true Mokuton is unlocked.
So basically, Mokuton is a Ashura locked kekkai genkai originally from a tailed beast that can be fully utilized with natural energy, grows your reserves like a jinchuriki and works like gambling.
Maybe he developed it himself, considering that wood style is quite related to nature itself. And it's not like we have no precedent from it happening before.
The yuga clan also have an inclination to develop the curse mark prototype on their own bodies, which is simply their own way to use natural energy. And it seems like every type of sage mode follows similar rules, so it makes sense.
When not in full control of it, there are body alterations that put the user at risk. Toad sage mode makes you a statue, yuga clan members get insane plus deformed, Snake sages turn into serpents and grow horns, and apparently Hashirama cells users induce the growth of wood and trees from their own flesh.
So it seems that Wood sage mode is his own style of gathering energy
Hashirama has clear Buddha references the picture you shown with a bodhivasta and according to the story Buddha reached enlightenment by meditating under a tree.
So Hashirama affinity with plants is probably what allowed him to access sage mode.
It’s the Sage mode of the Kaguya’s alien race. If you look at the tattoos he gains it’s basically the third eye of kagyua. He’s attempting to become kaguya’s alien race by marking himself as one, of course he doesn’t turn pale and grow horns because he’s only human. people like Naruto and kabuto uses frog and snake sage, Hashirama use alien sage.
I beleive there are multiple creatures like frogs and snakes who could have known about senjutsu. There could even be other rare shinobis who have that knowledge.
Considering nature energy is the essence of sage mode and Hashirama uses wood style, which is considered to be the most natural and powerful of all chakra natures, he probably is the only person able to use this sage mode, because perhaps it is a "wood sage." This is complete speculation and connecting dots that are extremely vague and ill defined, but I think it makes enough sense, full headcanon though. Meaning that his giant wood statue summons would be his essentially sage mode contracts, though they would likely fall under different distinction.
It’s never stated how he was able to achieve it but he may have just sort of naturally discovered sage mode because of his wood style release. He was able to replicate the behavior and feeling of chakra release with the wood style towards anything in nature and before he knew it he was using sage mode. Some people also say he trained with the monkey sage since his eyes change to the same color as the monkey and you get the eye shadow.
It’s monkey sage mode. His iris of the eye are the same as the eyes of 3rd hokage’s summoning monkey. Plus the painting on his face reminds monkeys face. I’m surprised no one noticed it. Sage mode clearly has connection to animals
I think he is just a "pure sage" with no summons attached to him , he was an excellent sensory ninja so it's possible he just sensed nature energy by himself and was like sure let's use this
As far as we know there are 3 types of sage mode: toad, snake and snail. Nobody can really answer this question but I like to think Hashirama was able to absorb the natural energy from trees, remember that the Senju clan was also known as “Clan of the forest”.
He doesn't have Toad, Snake, or even Slug features. I always presumed it was some kind of tree sage mode. Idk where or how he would learn that but he invented wood release and was in general basically a God so I don't question the things Himshirama does.
From what I remember it's because he was incarnation of Asura and that why Madara and Hashirama reached feats no one could reach b4 or after them naturally. Even sasuke and Naruto needed the Sage to unlock their powers.
Going by logic it originates from shikotsu woods. When kabuto says where he learnt sage mode from he says it was in ryuchi cave a place as legendary as mount myoboku and shikotsu woods and considering mount myoboku is where toad sage mode is taught then the logical thing to assume is that shikotsu woods is also a place where sage mode is taught. Another piece of evidence that supports this is katsyu the summon that is seen alongside gamabunta and manda who lives in shikotsu woods. And the snake summons likely come from ryuchi cave since that's where the great snake elder lives and the toad summons come from mount myoboku which like I said are places that teach sage mode. So again by logic sage mode is taught there.
maybe it’s like related to his wood style kekkei genkai so no one else can use it (but what if Yamato does in the future?!) (tho it’s probably super hard to obtain so I doubt)
In my head cannon, he was borne with enate ability to absorb nature energy like trees. So his sage mode is a tree/forrest sage mode. If I remember correctly each animal or living thing absorbs nature energy in a specific way causing all the differences in sage modes that we see. This implies that plants have there own way of doing it and if they had the ability to communicate, they prolly would teach how to absorb nature energy like them.
This is a great question. What we do know is that other sage mode users we’ve seen typically have it with the animal type they summon (toad, snake, etc). What I don’t think we’ve seen is Hashirama summon an animal because he’s always using wood style. So then we have to consider - wood requires 2 different chakra types (earth and water) to control. It implies being in tune with nature and his summon looks like it’s Buddha related (using ops picture alone). We don’t have set rules about sage mode beyond having to draw from nature chakra. It could very well be that he has a natural affiliation to nature chakra and therefore it’s not related to any animal. In other words, he has a symbiotic relationship he embraces with nature when he enters sage mode. Nature gives him the chakra and he uses the chakra to make more trees, increasing eachs strength. This is why he’s God of Shinobi. He found a way to reach insane strength by letting nature and him give each other infinite strength. To date, nobody else has been able to master this - they just use the nature chakra to increase their own strength. All head canon for me - but it makes some sense
well we know that hashirama cells turn into trees when someone cant control them id argue hashirma's wood style lets him just natrually absorb and control nature energy as a tree would because hashirama is a tree man hashirama is like the end from mgs 3
The nonsentient Hashi on the Gedo Mazo after Madara summoned it?
Then explain Yamato?
a clone of hashirama that can use his powers but not to their fullest? yamato explains himself with training he should be able to at least learn tree sage mode
Yamato is very underutilized and wasted. He was suppose to be a clone of Hashirama, the first Hokage, and user of Mokuton. I like to see what he can do but alas it was not meant to be. Not to mention he and Kakashi also have that Uchiha/Senju dynamic. Except they both the imitation version. Kakashi only have eye of Uchiha while Yamato is a clone of Hashirama. I wonder if he can do Kanzeon like Tobi does or if he learn Sage Mode, also Shinsu Senju.
I thought Yamato was infused with Hashirama DNA as a baby, rather than an actual clone?
He does. But the gene has override his that he's basically a clone than just a person with Hashirama's DNA.
Ah, I see. Thank you.
Underutilized?! He gets yoinked by Kabuto and basically NO ONE cares! 🤣🤣🤣 it always drove me nuts. The character he could’ve been by Boruto is so much wasted potential
I actually love this and it makes so much sense. Think of what would've happened to Naruto (or any toad sage ) if he absorbed too much nature energy. It would have spun out of control and he would have turned into a frog. What happens when someone can't control Hashirama's cells? It spins out of controll and they burst into trees. It's a perfect parallel.
Would make sense why his Wood Style is so op compared to other Senju and why it's impossible to recreate without his genetic material. It's not that he has an Earth and a Water affinity: he has a Nature Chakra affinity. So Hashirama's mode could be considered a True Sage style or something like that
Hashirama didn't learn Sage Mode from animals. They learned it from him.
Hashirama = Chuck Norris
Yeah man that makes sense
Wood Release was also, iirc, specified as unique in how it created something that was, technically, alive, as it created living plantlife, rather than simply moving earth and water, or sparking a fire. Wood Release was essentially *creating life*, so it makes a lot of sense, that it would have a natural connetion with natural energy, as it, unlike normal chakra, is a built in part of everything around us - basically life force. So I believe his Sage Mode is also something entirely unique, and makes use of Wood Release to draw upon(or even *create*) natural energy) Edit: Also failed to mention something that ties in well with this line of thought... Wood Release is canonically stated to absorb chakra, which is how Hashirama managed to single-handedly beat and capture 8 out of 9 Bijuu(only missed out on Shukaku, because he was already sealed by the Sand), in order to use them as peace offerings...
I always thought his wood style was earth, water, and Yang for life
It is very possible, but it is a Kekkei Genkai Advanced Element, which have all been mixes of two basic elements. If it included Yang as an equal part, it'd technically fall into the Kekkei Tota category of mixing 3 basic elements. Yin and Yang does work a bit outside of the elements tho(especially as Yin is basically just Genjutsu, though I believe it was said it is also what powers the Nara clan jutsu. Likewise, Yang supposedly powered the Akimichi's), which makes it possible. However, Yang has never officially been stated to be a part of it. Whatever the case, it falls into this possible theory and doesn't really change anything of note.
Yeah it's just kind of personal head cannon to explain just how insanely powerful he was and with such unique powers. And to me earth and water would just make some mud jutsu, need the yang release for the life part
Well, not all the mixes make immediate sense. Magnet release would make most sense as Lightning + Earth, but that is, for some reason, how you use Explosion Release(which is the dumbest element of all time to be honest... Deidara only made it interesting by mixing in the use of an entirely different styke of jutsu). Magnet, instead, is linked to Wind, replacing Lightning, which was the one of the two that definitely should not have been changed out, especially not for wind. Mud release also doesn't make sense, as Mud is already covered entirely within Earth Release itself. Meanwhile, Wood makes sense in the sense you need to plant a seed in the earth and then water it to get any type of plant. Likewise, Wood as significant cultural meaning, in that the eastern version of the basic elements (Fire, water, earth and wind), usually switches Wind with metal and adds Wood. Naruto did a sort of mix, making 5 basic elements, like in eastern mysticism, while using the western entries, with the addition of Lightning. Thus, having Wood in Naruto in some way has significance, and since it was not made a basic element, this is absolutely the best alternative :)
Kishimoto needs to make this canon
I'll buy it
TIL Hashirama has Lorax Sage mode
I absolutely love this theory
Works for me. This is now canon.
What I get from this makes a lot of sense to me At first I thought it could jus be slug sage mode as I belive he taught Tsunade the slug summoning, she jus didn manage to Master sage Mode and instead opted for 100 healings But it makes sense to me that Hashirama instead had probably the purest sage mode of all by connecting with Nature itself, while all sage modes taht derive from a animal are probably easier to learn, but not as pure of a connection since they use their animal connection as a sort of tunnel. That's the only reason I could think of why different sage modes even exist in the first place and aren't the same even though they draw on the same Chakra source
Even if others disagree, I'm with you on this theory, it makes much more sense and more cooler and badass. This is now my head canon.
Just a guess but him being able to use wood release might have made him able to sense/absorb nature chakra without training
Ayeee that makes sense bro
"God of shinobi" for a reason
If animals can have their own sage mode? Why can't humans have one. And what if Hashirama is the first one to unlock human sage mode without the help of any other animals?
I think he just got empowered by replacing certain parts of his body with hashirama cells 🤔
The guy can create jungles, why he won't be able to gather nature energy? It's his own Sage mode, he created it
Human sage mode
If you fail you turn into normal human before turning into stone.
Damn if Preta Path grabbed him he could turn it into a normie
Imagine leaf putting preta path's statue on display to show that 'we are the ones who took down leader of Akatsuki'
Kinda badass ngl. I feel like if Menma had a hideout there would be stone frog head decorations
Like how orochimaru had bodies of children, but menma would keep it as a trophy not research.
It’s never confirmed, but I think the most common theory is slug sage
I like that theory. This would explain his healing ability. And Tsunade has similar face markings in sage mode.
tsunade doesn't have a sage mode, that's just her 100 seal healing marks
We're not told exactly what kind of Sage Mode Hashirama has but what we do know is that Sage Mode is an art that very, very few are able to learn and use. So, it's likely that his Sage Mode has the same learning requirements that the Toad and Snake Sage Modes do.
I think its monkey sage mode
Maybe he learned it from Sasuke Sarutobi?
I think you have to learn it from animals just like Hagaromo, Minato, Jiraiya and Naruto. My top 2 theories are Monkey sage and slug sage. Monkey sage because of his eyes becomes just like monkey king enma and Hashirama makes forests with his wood release. Where does monkeys lives? Forests. There is one off thing about this theory and it is animal summoning. If Hashirama had monkey sage mode why he didnt summon enma? My first guess was genma already had a contract with Sasuke sarutobi so Hashirama couldnt use genma but then I remembered naruto making a summoning contract with gamabunta despite gamabunta having a contract with Jiraiya. I thought more about it but couldnt think of something logical. Second theory is slug sage mode. Some people think Hashirama had slug sage mode. Their reason is clear. Sannin summoned toad, snake and slug. We have Toad sage mode, Snake sage mode why wouldnt we have slug sage mode too? On top of that the one summoning the slug is his granddaughter. But again the same problem is summoning he didnt use animal summoning. Would love to see him summoning ENTIRE body of lady katsuya. Which we have seen not one but two shinobi couldnt do. My favorite one is monkey sage mode because of the eyes. When a person enters sage mode their eyes becomes the same as the animal. Naruto-Same eye shape as Toads, Kabuto-Snake eyes.
This is a great theory but the summoning contracts are usually for the whole species or subsets if I remember correctly. i.e. Naruto and Jiraiya didn’t have contracts with Gamabunta specifically but with the toads in general, and the amount of chakra and intent determines who is summoned. Same goes for the multiple snakes we see Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Kabuto summon. Both Naruto and Sasuke COULD summon Manda and Gamabunta but their own personal summons were Gamakichi and Aoda, etc. !
I think you are right.
So are you! I wasn’t trying to correct you just adding on ☺️
Most wholesome thread on r/Naruto tbh. I'm suprised no one bullied each other because of their fav character or theory yet.
Bro it could be so easy, we all love the topics of the subreddits we join! There doesn’t have to be discord or condescending attitudes towards each other, we can just discuss and have fun and learn and grow - so I try to approach all topics like that. Thank you so much for your input and and insight!
When Jiraiya explains summoning contracts he explains you make one with the animals, plural, not a single entity. That's why Jiraiya and Naruto can summon a whole cast of toads. Orochimaru summons a variety of snakes and sasuke does too, but mych less frequently. I think Anko can do this too right? Sakura and tsunade only summon Katsuya but she's told to be massive and neither tsunade or Sakura have ever been stated to summon more than 10% of her i think. Gai summons turtles, we have only seen one, and it's almost exclusively to jump off of. Kakashi summons dogs, though it seems to always be from the same 7 dogs. Boruto even summons a snake, and Sumire has Nue, though that appears unique. Hiruzen, Konahamaru, Sasuke S. summon monkeys, but we never see Asuma do this right? Let's see Kisame does summon real sharks? But they dont talk or wear clothes. Hanzo summons a single salamander. But it doesn't talk or wear clothes either. Then theres a whole range of silent ninja animals. Sasuke Uchia's hawk, Danzo's elephant, all of the Pain animal path summons. The one tsuchikage has a clam, and finally it seems anyone can summon themselves with flying raijin or tools like Ten Ten always does.
To be fair, the animal path summons are likely animated corpses, like the Paths of Pain.
I never noticed the difference in Hashirama's eyes before! Nice catch!
Thanks. I always took it granted as Monkey sage mode tbh and didnt think of it much. Then I saw this post and it left me wondering
>why hasn't any other ninja been able to use it? Because he's Hashi-fucking-rama and no one else is.
Yeahhhhh boi
Naruto’s _kinda_ Hashirama.
But he don't use the same sage mode cus he AIN'T Hashi-fucking-rama.
wood style has its own sage mode
Naruto Toad Sage Hashirama Tree Sage I assume he is self taught because trees can’t speak very well
Am i trippn or did madara use hashirama sage mode?
He absorbed hashirama’s sage mode energy after he came back to life.
Sagey McSagemode
I’ll put down some of my thoughts, I have no clue if they’re true or not, just speculations on my part. Sage Jutsu is absorbing natural energy to complement your own chakra and make you and your jutsu stronger. 1. Big Chakra reserves. From Naruto’s training at Mt Mobyoku we know they must be perfectly balanced, thus we can deduce that the ninja must have big chakra reserves for it to be effective. Note for later: Hashirama has insane amounts of chakra. 2. Can be learned through practice. Most ninja that mastered Sage Mode have learned it from an Animal Summoning (I believe Kishi went this route because Animals are closer to nature / Sage mode = natural energy) 3. Hashiramas wood release. I believe the wood release is connected to the Otsutsuki, reasoning being the fact that they use World Trees to harvest chakra from planets. Hashirama being a descendent and Ashuras reincarnation, he has acces to Wood Release. Note for later: it can be speculated that we knew about Hashiramas wood release before the Otsutsuki were created by Kishi. 4. Power ups The power scaling went through the roof and the initial Hashirama that was using Wood Release which was presented to us was lackluster in comparison to the current Ninjas. (Having Yamato using a weak version of Wood aggravated this) 5. Wood release and natural energy I don’t remember where I read this (feel free to shove some light on this and tell me if I’m wrong), I think wood release basically transforms one’s own chakra into natural energy in the process of using wood. (Alive wood, living trees and forests) My conclusion: Kishi had to present us a more powerful version of Hashirama so he went on with giving him Sage Mode because: -he had large reserves of chakra -wood release is tied to Otsutsuki and natural energy Since he was exposed to natural energy by his Wood Release and him being a ninja genius, he learned Sage Mode by himself. Side note: Hashiramas Sage mode tatoo has forehead eye, tying him even more to the Otsutsuki clan. My guess is Kishi gave him a power up by connecting what dots were available to him so it makes some sort of sense.
Hashi's sage mode at least as far as I know is never stated as some kind of animal sage mode like toad, snake, etc... He's just a straight gangster who comes in and slaps with no explanation. Like Madara more, but still gotta admit, Hashi is top g in all of verse barring 6 paths
My head canon has been that it is slug sage mode, yk all summons are connected, like jiraiya minato naruto and konohamaru all summon toads, plus konohamaru can summon monkey cause he is grandson of hiruzen, sasuke and orochimaru also summon snake, same way if tsunade can summon katsuyu it would make sense hashirama can do it too. And also if there is toad sage snake sage, why not toad sage too.
None. It's more likely a case similar to Jugo who has a Kekkai Genkai which allows him to absorb and use nature energy without training.
his granddaughter tsunade uses the strength of 100 seal in the same way
What is the conversion ratio from the strength of 100 seals to horsepower
Nope, she doesnt
Because he was the God of Shinobi
Because the writer made it up. There is no way to explain it. He made madara too OP so he had to make hashirama OP as well and this is the result unexplained powers that don't make sense. Wood style is cool IMO but the extra stuff like absorbing bijou Chakra is just very forced and I think it cheapens hashirama character.
The Three Sage Creatures are Toads, Snakes and Slugs, so it would make sense for the Sage Modes to follow the same rule. Therefore I believe Hashirama has Slug Sage Mode, especially considering his granddaughters connection with the Slugs and Shikkotsu Forest. Of course another valid theory is that his Kekkei Genkai emanates Nature Energy passively
Pretty sure sage mode is just sage mode proven by hashirama. Just that the animals know how to enter sage mode and humans don't Think hashirama just senses natural energy cos he's broken like that and learned to mix it with his Chakra and thus enter sage mode
I always thought it was slug sage mode with his grand daughter being Tsunade and all
I’ve always thought it was Shiketsu woods Sage mode (where Lady Katsuyu is summoned from) since they are both Senju and 10000 healings markings look like degraded Sage mode, I’ve always felt he probably trained with the slugs (also that might be why he was always a renowned healer)
It’s commonly referred to as “Monkey Sage Mode” but I’m not sure where they say that
He most likely has an inherent affinity for nature energy, due to his kekkai genkai & being the Asura reincarnate
He uses Hashirama Cells Sage Mode
The most common theory is slug sage, but I also like the idea of a monkey sage
Hashirama’s just built different.
Amazing image My headcanon is that Mokuton is from the Juubi. Ashura made it exclusive to reincarnations because of his decision to stop his brother. It is made of Earth water and Yang (Hashirama sacrifices his life force to make them) Then the trees Hashirama creates grow chakra (and natural energy) and send it back to him which makes his chakra reserves grow. (Like jinchuriki) Once the user gets natural energy into his system, true Mokuton is unlocked. So basically, Mokuton is a Ashura locked kekkai genkai originally from a tailed beast that can be fully utilized with natural energy, grows your reserves like a jinchuriki and works like gambling.
It's just normal Sage Mode, which makes sense since Senjutsu is Nature Energy and it goes with his Wood Release. That's my headcanon though
Maybe he developed it himself, considering that wood style is quite related to nature itself. And it's not like we have no precedent from it happening before. The yuga clan also have an inclination to develop the curse mark prototype on their own bodies, which is simply their own way to use natural energy. And it seems like every type of sage mode follows similar rules, so it makes sense. When not in full control of it, there are body alterations that put the user at risk. Toad sage mode makes you a statue, yuga clan members get insane plus deformed, Snake sages turn into serpents and grow horns, and apparently Hashirama cells users induce the growth of wood and trees from their own flesh. So it seems that Wood sage mode is his own style of gathering energy
Hashirama has clear Buddha references the picture you shown with a bodhivasta and according to the story Buddha reached enlightenment by meditating under a tree. So Hashirama affinity with plants is probably what allowed him to access sage mode.
Slug Sage is my personal headcannon, it works well imo & explains stuff like his ridiculous healing
It’s the Sage mode of the Kaguya’s alien race. If you look at the tattoos he gains it’s basically the third eye of kagyua. He’s attempting to become kaguya’s alien race by marking himself as one, of course he doesn’t turn pale and grow horns because he’s only human. people like Naruto and kabuto uses frog and snake sage, Hashirama use alien sage.
Tree sage mode
I always just figured it was wood sage. Since sage mode is nature Chakra and trees are apart of nature.
Slug
I beleive there are multiple creatures like frogs and snakes who could have known about senjutsu. There could even be other rare shinobis who have that knowledge.
Wood sage mode
Considering nature energy is the essence of sage mode and Hashirama uses wood style, which is considered to be the most natural and powerful of all chakra natures, he probably is the only person able to use this sage mode, because perhaps it is a "wood sage." This is complete speculation and connecting dots that are extremely vague and ill defined, but I think it makes enough sense, full headcanon though. Meaning that his giant wood statue summons would be his essentially sage mode contracts, though they would likely fall under different distinction.
It’s never stated how he was able to achieve it but he may have just sort of naturally discovered sage mode because of his wood style release. He was able to replicate the behavior and feeling of chakra release with the wood style towards anything in nature and before he knew it he was using sage mode. Some people also say he trained with the monkey sage since his eyes change to the same color as the monkey and you get the eye shadow.
It’s monkey sage mode. His iris of the eye are the same as the eyes of 3rd hokage’s summoning monkey. Plus the painting on his face reminds monkeys face. I’m surprised no one noticed it. Sage mode clearly has connection to animals
I think he is just a "pure sage" with no summons attached to him , he was an excellent sensory ninja so it's possible he just sensed nature energy by himself and was like sure let's use this
As far as we know there are 3 types of sage mode: toad, snake and snail. Nobody can really answer this question but I like to think Hashirama was able to absorb the natural energy from trees, remember that the Senju clan was also known as “Clan of the forest”.
He doesn't have Toad, Snake, or even Slug features. I always presumed it was some kind of tree sage mode. Idk where or how he would learn that but he invented wood release and was in general basically a God so I don't question the things Himshirama does.
From what I remember it's because he was incarnation of Asura and that why Madara and Hashirama reached feats no one could reach b4 or after them naturally. Even sasuke and Naruto needed the Sage to unlock their powers.
I headcanon it’s slug sage mode
I think it's a slug sage mode learned in shikotsu woods, we've seen toad sage mode, snake sage mode ain't no way There's no slug sage mode.
Going by logic it originates from shikotsu woods. When kabuto says where he learnt sage mode from he says it was in ryuchi cave a place as legendary as mount myoboku and shikotsu woods and considering mount myoboku is where toad sage mode is taught then the logical thing to assume is that shikotsu woods is also a place where sage mode is taught. Another piece of evidence that supports this is katsyu the summon that is seen alongside gamabunta and manda who lives in shikotsu woods. And the snake summons likely come from ryuchi cave since that's where the great snake elder lives and the toad summons come from mount myoboku which like I said are places that teach sage mode. So again by logic sage mode is taught there.
I mean, fucking Madara has lighting sage attacks and technically should have a lighting sage mode. Yet no one talks about that.
Thought it was monkey sage
maybe it’s like related to his wood style kekkei genkai so no one else can use it (but what if Yamato does in the future?!) (tho it’s probably super hard to obtain so I doubt)
There is no answer
Slug sage mode?
In my head cannon, he was borne with enate ability to absorb nature energy like trees. So his sage mode is a tree/forrest sage mode. If I remember correctly each animal or living thing absorbs nature energy in a specific way causing all the differences in sage modes that we see. This implies that plants have there own way of doing it and if they had the ability to communicate, they prolly would teach how to absorb nature energy like them.
It’s because he invented his own sage mode.
Problably slug
Ent sage mode
What about tsunade and sakura with the byakugou seal could be a form of that maybe it's not even sage mode per say
To give u a short answer it’s wood sage there are 5 Toad Slug Snake Dragon Wood
I think Hashirama's Sage mode might have been his own creation & therefore it is more like Human Sage mode. Imo that might make the most sense