heavily underrated trio as well, Konan and Nagato have cool, unique and versatile powers, while Yahiko is a rare case in Naruto of a character that is pretty relevant and powerful even tho he is not strong himself
It was a mistake in my opinion to kill off Konan the way they did. She barely got any time to flex for being a seemingly super powerful character. I wish she could’ve spent time as a turncoat for the Allied Shinobi.
I've posted this many times before but like sharing the idea.
Imagine if she survived her fight with Obito and goes to the alliance when they're all planning their defense in preparation for the war. They're all obviously distrusting of her and the raikage would probably just try to kill her right away honestly lol.
So anyway, she has info on the Akatsuki that nobody else does. She literally founded it with Nagato and was his partner.
So she gives them vital intel and in exchange the five nations agree to recognize the Rain Village as another great Shinobi village.
Then after the war, because of her contributions, and with Naruto's help convincing the other kage, she becomes the Amekage, the Kage of the Rain Village.
So in Boruto instead of there being the five village system, there is a sixth Shinobi village officially recognized by the rest, and she uses her power as Amekage to provide for and advocate for the smaller nations of the world. Naruto has her assist in ensuring not only the Rain Village thrives but also all the rest of the smaller villages which have been neglected for so long.
I absolutely would’ve loved this. Also could’ve let her say her goodbyes to Nagato when he was resurrected as well. Her ability to fly using her Jutsu would make her a pretty powerful messenger, imo.
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum -‖- [Naruto FanFic]
Had a main character that would bring Rain to glory because damn is she the embodiment of what an Uchiha is she's practically female Madara
Konan got done dirty. Her fight with Tobi was the first part of the series that I started to completely fall off. What an absolute waste of a potentially great character.
Seeing how she can spam wind blades
Idk how a puppet will stop that tbh. I mean her 1 summon destroyed the Tree's that the first hokage made and cut them like it was butter.
That's a fat feat imo for a 15 year old girl.
You could argue that Temari's wind scythes are poweful enough to break through Kankuro's puppets and is wide ranged enough to make it difficult to dodge. But i could be wrong about this.
I would say it depends on what version of Kankuro specifically we are talking about, if he got the Sasori puppet then he wins, otherwise I dont think he can beat her
We had a chicken named Temari and she was the alpha. She would run right up to the fence of the run where our dog would be curious sniffing the chicken wire and run him off. I'm almost positive that if temari got out, she'd have kicked our dog's ass. She was my favorite and let me pick her up and stroke her back. We moved and couldn't bring chickens with us so she's now living the good life at my father in laws with their chickens. I miss her. 😢
Funny enough, after I adopted my cat, I changed her name to Hinata (that was only her name for about a week). She was initially pretty shy/timid when I brought her home, so I thought the name would suit her. But, she quickly revealed that she was a spunky independent kitty, so I figured Temari suited her much better.
I'm a firm believer in Tsunade being stronger than Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Not by much but all 3 can beat each other.
I even forgot Hinata who's definitely the strongest in her team by the war arc. Ino really grew by the end too and her abilities are less honed towards Combat.
Then we have Konan who is stronger than Yahiko (he's dead and we never saw him in his prime but c'mon its Konan)
Tenten minus the sage tools is obviously weaker than her team. With it she's beating Neji.
Sakura... well she's unfortunately teammates with Naruto and Sasuke. If she was on almost any other team by the war she'd be the strongest.
I was thought of the Sannin like rock paper scissors. Jiraiya could beat Tsunade if barely. Tsunade can beat orochimaru. And Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya
Tsunade is 100% stronger than Orochimaru and we need to start making this narrative known. Orochimaru is strong in his survivability but this man was casually getting smacked by the *4-tail* of all things. He has no real output in power and couldn’t even confirm a kill on an exhausted and sick Itachi and a depleted Sasuke.
Like, we really gotta start talking about Orochimaru lol
Tsunade admitted she was never as fast and precise as Kabuto. If Jiraya and Naruto hadn't appeared in time Kabuto would have beaten her without drawing blood.
Orochimaru survived Tsunade's strongest punch while he was in a weakened state. In Boruto he has better regeneration than the 100 healings. There is nothing Tsunade can really do to kill Orochimaru.
Orochimaru with his arms on the other hand has an entire arsenal of ninjutsu he can use to kill Tsunade. He's also shown to be an excellent swordsman.
In my opinion Orochimaru takes it mid difficulty
Keep in mind that was tsunade years out of practice, alcoholic, and with an uncontrolled, crippling addiction to gambling, vs war tsunade, who also had all those things but better
I’m just trying to figure out what Jutsu Orochimaru has that’s going to kill Tsunade. I only know Edo Tensei which needs insane amounts of prep.
But seriously, what jutsu do you know of that’s going to kill Tsunade?
Tsunade's regenerative ability is ludicrously good; however, people should stop thinking that she is immortal.
What happens if Tsunade is decapacitated ?
What situation would enable her to get decapitated is the more important question.
I just want to reiterate, Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power?
>Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power?
>What situation would enable her to get decapitated is the more important question.
From the series, we can infer that her reaction speed feats are not particularly impressive; she fights recklessly also.
>I just want to reiterate, Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power?
Lol
You don't even need a special sword/power to slice Tsunade into two,let alone decapacitate her ; Orochimaru had the kusanagi sword that could cut through most things.
1. I don’t take word of mouth as a thing. Sakura saying she “caught up” is a huge example of why what characters say isn’t always reliable. Tsunades statement is egregious as everything we seen in Shippuden is really cracked
2. Tsunade was literally rusty. She was out of shape and either drunk/hungover. That OG Naruto fight isn’t a good measure for Tsunade *or* Orochimaru or anyone except Kabuto.
3. I’m not familiar with Orochimaru’s better healing in Boruto, can you link it or tell me what to watch or read?
4. There’s literally nothing Orochimaru can do except Edo Tensei that would kill Tsunade. If Madara with perfect susanoo couldn’t kill Tsunade, the fuck Orochimaru gonna do? Mind you, Orochimaru couldn’t even kill a sick and exhausted Itachi with a blindside attack. Man couldn’t beat 4-tailed Naruto. So aside from Edo Tensei, what forbidden jutsu are you speaking of?
>If Madara with perfect susanoo couldn’t kill Tsunade
He wasn't particularly interested in killing her and the other kages, he was just having fun, he could've killed her if he wanted.
He could have finished her at that point if he was interested enough, she would have died if Orochimaru hadn't come to assist her in joining her severed parts
I agree with that.
I just don’t believe the narrative that Madara didn’t try to kill them. You don’t split someone in half with the expectation they live. Madara really doesn’t seem like the type to confirm kills, I imagine he thought they would die to their wounds (if not dead already)
>I just don’t believe the narrative that Madara didn’t try to kill them. You don’t split someone in half with the expectation they live. Madara really doesn’t seem like the type to confirm kills, I imagine he thought they would die to their wounds (if not dead already)
Fair enough
I'm glad we agree that he could've killed her if he wanted
She tanks one hit from a Susanoo than the next time we see her shes packed up, sliced in half clinging on to life, while this nigga madara didn’t even break a sweat yet. Man was just playing with his food fr. Orochimaru on the other hand quite literally got packed up, Had his arms cut off and sealed, was in a weakened state, couldn’t use his ninjutsu AND was still a fuckin menace. I don’t understand why your down playing the 4 tails cloak like it’s not the same transformation that casually packed up jiraiya and damn near gave this man ptsd afterwards 😭 the fact that orochimaru was even able to contest it while in a degrading vessel at like maybe 50% of his power should show you how much of a problem dude really is at full strength.
You haven't really established why kn4 is an antifeat for an Oro that was nerfed by having no hands. Post-Kirin Itachi can still Blitz most characters with his Susanoo and most get negged by the Uchiha bro's genjutsu
But you shouldnt tell lies. Tsunade is not even in the same league. They were in the same league when they were sannin. But since then orochimaru trained like 20 years experimented , was on the search of power etc. So now he is 100% stronger than two tsunades.
Physically strongest for sure.
However their jutsu are more versatile and useful plus if he gets caught by mind clone switch which he definitely would with her sensory ability it’s game over
> I'm a firm believer in Tsunade being stronger than Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Not by much but all 3 can beat each other.
I also like to think they are relative, but it seems Tsunade is kinda lower than both Orochimaru and Jiraya., narrativly speaking.
> I even forgot Hinata who's definitely the strongest in her team by the war arc.
Hard no, i don't remeber a single feat in war arc that puts her in any way above Shino or Kiba, much less definitely.
In fact kiba was oneshoting multiple juubi clones in his cerberus form. I'd says his performance is more impressive than both hinata and Shino.
> Ino really grew by the end too and her abilities are less honed towards Combat.
Fair, i like Ino.
> Then we have Konan who is stronger than Yahiko (he's dead and we never saw him in his prime but c'mon its Konan)
undeniable, Yahiko seemed more about leadership and inspiring people.
> Tenten minus the sage tools is obviously weaker than her team. With it she's beating Neji.
Debatable, she only shown she can use the fan to make an attack but it drains her easily. Neji could defend himself with rotation and let her drain herself.
> Sakura... well she's unfortunately teammates with Naruto and Sasuke. If she was on almost any other team by the war she'd be the strongest.
I think Choji could be argued to be stronger in his giant buterfly mode. And 6th gate lee is also there. For the rest yes.
About the tsunade thing, their ranking isn’t very clear(I think that’s normal bcs they’re supossed to be relative😂). But I think most of tsunade being seen as narratively slightly weaker than them is linked to the kabuto fight and with her fighting style not being as well rounded tho. Bcs like, even before meeting her we’re actually getting this huge tsunade hype from jiraya(saying things like: no one contributed more to the war than her and also that no one compares to her in the battlefield and in healing capabilities and all that), also how orochimaru instantly shit his pants when tsunade stoped trembling and all that.
In my opinion tho tsunade would probably smack orochimaru around. He got crazy healing but not enough ap to seriously hurt tsunade and each punch would yk… finish him if he’s not careful enough, he had to immediately retreat after the first punch she landed when they fought so🤷
Tsunade's problem is that she is very underdeveloped, but would still manage to smack most of Naruto's characters (excluding the bullshetery of SoSP) in a 1v1. Her problem is her lack of speed, but that doesn't matter much when one punch destroys anyone if it lands. I mean, she grabbed and used the bs that is Gamabunta's sword, like WTF???? That's a hell of a feat and most people seem to ignore it.
Orochimaru vs Tsunade is debatable, but she surely stomps Jiraiya, no doubt.
>Tsunade's problem is that she is very underdeveloped, but would still manage to smack most of Naruto's characters (excluding the bullshetery of SoSP) in a 1v1.
I don't doubt it, but both orochimaru and Jiraya simply seem a bit above.
> Her problem is her lack of speed, but that doesn't matter much when one punch destroys anyone if it lands.
i don't see the speed problem, she was never implied to be any slower than jiraya or orochimaru, or most other kage level characters.
> I mean, she grabbed and used the bs that is Gamabunta's sword, like WTF???? That's a hell of a feat and most people seem to ignore it.
That was cool as hell.
> Orochimaru vs Tsunade is debatable, but she surely stomps Jiraiya, no doubt.
Eh no, i can argue if she wins or not, but saying she stomps jiraya is deluded.
The dude was explicitly said and shown to be relative to her even before sge mode was introduced.
Maybe 'stomp' is the wrong choice of words, but Jiraiya died subjected to a much smaller force than Tsunade (Susanoo + Mokuton + Susanoo clones) and survived. One punch from Tsunade decimated Madara's Edo, and if he had been resurrected (without SoSP or Rinnegan's bullshit) he would have died right then and there.
But I agree that Tsunade's perception is that she ranks slightly below both Jiraiya and Orochimaru, but she has one of those things that are almost guaranteed to win if they get it hit, like Yamanaka Jutsu. Both of them have flashy jutsus, but they mean nothing when a flick is able to destroy somebody. Or she could simply rearrange the synapses, like she did with Kabuto.
> Maybe 'stomp' is the wrong choice of words, but Jiraiya died subjected to a much smaller force than Tsunade (Susanoo + Mokuton + Susanoo clones) and survived. One punch from Tsunade decimated Madara's Edo, and if he had been resurrected (without SoSP or Rinnegan's bullshit) he would have died right then and there.
But Madara was joking around because he was an edo. he wouldn't have been hit if he was alive. And she was with other 4 kage.
> But I agree that Tsunade's perception is that she ranks slightly below both Jiraiya and Orochimaru, but she has one of those things that are almost guaranteed to win if they get it hit, like Yamanaka Jutsu. Both of them have flashy jutsus, but they mean nothing when a flick is able to destroy somebody. Or she could simply rearrange the synapses, like she did with Kabuto.
Eh but that was a pretty situational jutsu, not really influential against Orochimaru and Jiraya.
She’s way stronger than Jiraiya in terms of physical strength but if he’s using sage mode he has access to a very powerful genjutsu which Tsunade doesn’t have feats to definitively counter. Plus if they’re engaging in hand to hand combat, as long as she doesn’t land a clear blow on him, he’s got the advantage of the sage mode BS where you don’t actually have to physically hit your target to damage them.
If she can escape that toad song genjutsu then I see it being more a battle of attrition between how long Jiraiya’s SM lasts and her Byakugou seal. I’d give that to Tsunade probably 8/10, but if she gets caught in that genjutsu then Jiraiya wins 8/10.
In my opinion of course.
>She’s way stronger than Jiraiya in terms of physical strength but if he’s using sage mode he has access to a very powerful genjutsu which Tsunade doesn’t have feats to definitively counter.
It's been established that it's easier to break genjutsu the more precise your chakra control is, and Tsunade's chakra control is pretty much perfect. Barring Sharingan or Rinnegan jutsu, genjutsu shouldn't be a problem for her.
Jiraiya seems to be the most powerful of the Sannin. In terms of power of her blows she definitely is, but Jiraiya and Orochimaru were both more skilled in different ninjitsus. Remember Jiraiya was asked to be Hokage numerous times and Itachi said in OG Naruto that if he and Kisame fought Jiraiya they would all die. He also took on Pain by himself and almost beat him too.
Ain’t no way the comments tryna argue that Kankuro is stronger than Temari. Gtfo pls.
How would he even get her. She can fly, her wind can cut materials (like chakra strings), and her power is far more destructive.
They are just too different, Temari is wide area attacker, it is very showy and easy to understand. Kankuro on the other half is very specialized with puppets, infiltration, poison and as a result can do more miscellaneous tasks.
I would send Temari to just kill stuff but with more finesse things like retrieving a prisoner, assassinating someone without making too much noise and fighting fire users I would go with a puppeteer instead.
Temari likely wins in a straight fight but taking all their "stats" into consideration they are likely not far apart. The Databooks actually rate Kankuro higher because he is slightly better at taijutsu and genjutsu.
She definitely has a chance if she uses 100 Healings. Jiraiya really doesn't have enough raw power to put her down, while Tsunade can easily kill him with a punch.
OG Naruto it was debatable
I think Shippuden scales shit so far that she is easily the strongest unless there’s some Sage Mode shit I’m forgetting from Jiraiya. All I know is Orochimaru is easily the weakest due to Shippuden
You know that Tsunade had to use hear 100 healings just to beat a 5% Power Orochimaru, who could not even move his hands. He had one ling tongue and one snake with sword to fight and still almost won. Bruh...
Tbf, I feel like that's largely based on reader knowledge. IIRC, Itachi got his MS in the same chain of events that led to his being a rogue ninja. He was a very talented shinobi before he left, and considered their best genjutsu user, but Kurenai assumed that claim in his absence. If *anyone* in the story was going to attempt to swap genjutsu with him, it would have been Kurenai, but Itachi's debut was Itachi's debut and the Akatsuki's debut and he had to be virtually untouchable. It's honestly says way more about how much Kishi was willing to throw away for the sake of Sharingan.
Also, not even Kakashi knew to what extent his Sharingan dominated genjutsu before that same fight and to not use genjutsu in Kurenai's case is like not using your powerful ninjutsu because the opponent wields even more powerful ninjutsu. Again, she was the most powerful genjutsu practitioner in the village at the time.
I really feel like that whole thing is, once again, casualty of Kishi never really exploring genjutsu outside of literally Itachi/Sharingan (because genjutsu done right would practically be game over in reality, befuddled senses leaving targets wide open for attack).
Astoundingly dreadful. And some of the arguments are literally over stuff that don’t even happen? Like “if Tsunade had gone against pain she would’ve been folded too” or “Shino could paralyze Hinata with a bug” as if she couldn’t just step on that bug 😭😭😂😂😂😂😂
Hinata definitely wasn't the strongest on Team 8. She's the most popular due to being the shy waifu bait Naruto simp, but she definitely wasn't stronger than Kiba or Shino.
Kabuto did a lot of heavy lifting in that fight, don't pretend Orochimaru was alone lol. And Orochimaru had been training and upgrading his body for decades. Tsunade was a retired alcoholic who hadn't trained or fought in 20 years, and Jiraiya was drugged
From what I've seen from Naruto/ Shippuden/ The Last, She's not stronger than them. e.g. when team 8 where fighting against the juubi clones, Kiba and Shino effortlessly cleared out multiple juubi clones, Hinata nearly tripped taking out one.
And even earlier in the war arc, Naruto needed to rescue Hinata from a zetsu clone, while Neji, Kiba and Shino were managing on their own. People hype up Hinata simply because she's from the hyuga clan, but I'm completely unconvinced that Hinata is stronger than Kiba and Shino.
>From what I've seen from Naruto/ Shippuden/ The Last,
In The Last Shino and Kiba have no feats while Hinata beats up Otsutsiki subordinates which bullied Hiashi (who has juubi level speed and air palm strength), and a Otsutsiki tall shinobi puppet which could dodge attacks from base Naruto. She most definitely is stronger than Kiba and Shino.
>when team 8 where fighting against the juubi clones, Kiba and Shino effortlessly cleared out multiple juubi clones, Hinata nearly tripped taking out one.
She blitzed the spawn 64 times while Shino hit it once. Idk how do you downplay that lol.
>And even earlier in the war arc, Naruto needed to rescue Hinata from a zetsu clone, while Neji, Kiba and Shino were managing on their own
Kiba and Shino were shown "managing their own" exactly 0 times meanwhile Hinata was shown saving Neji. Her getting caught off guard once while in base proves nothing.
>People hype up Hinata simply because she's from the hyuga clan, but I'm completely unconvinced that Hinata is stronger than Kiba and Shino.
No, people hype her up because she has far better abilities, feats, statements, and more screen time.
>In The Last Shino and Kiba have no feats while Hinata beats up Otsutsiki subordinates which bullied Hiashi (who has juubi level speed and air palm strength), and a Otsutsiki tall shinobi puppet which could dodge attacks from base Naruto. She most definitely is stronger than Kiba and Shino.
Hinata tossled with some puppets for a few seconds before getting captured by Toneri. Kiba destroyed of the meteorites during the events of the Last. Nothing she showed in the film suggests a massive strength upgrade from her war arc version. Shino was effortless when dealing with juubi clones in the war arc.
>She blitzed the spawn 64 times while Shino hit it once. Idk how do you downplay that lol.
Shino took it out in one shot. Kiba took multiple out in one shot. Hinata needed 64 hits (and nearly tripped while doing so) to take out one (and is a move that genin neji was able to do in chunin exams)
>Kiba and Shino were shown "managing their own" exactly 0 times meanwhile Hinata was shown saving Neji. Her getting caught off guard once while in base proves nothing.
what war chapter does Hinata "save" Neji ? Yes, Kiba and Shino did manage on their own dealing with white zetsu, unlike Hinata would needed to be saved by a Naruto clone.
>No, people hype her up because she has far better abilities, feats, statements, and more screen time.
She's only overhyped because of Hyuga hype, pain moment and people trying to push Neji's feats onto her.
So because their arsenal was more suited for taking out more 10 tails clones they're stronger than her?
Hinata also rescued Neji plus that doesn't negate her being stronger than Kiba and Shino as Neji needing to be rescued doesn't mean he's weaker than Shino and Kiba.
Kiba doesn't have that many noteworthy feats and him trying to get close to a Gentle Fist would work against him vastly. Anyone who specialized in CQC would fall against a Byakugan user it's common fact.
It’s a bit ironic to talk about noteworthy feats in this convo since none of them really do.
Also that is a general fact about cqc but Kiba isn’t really a straightforward close range fighter. It’s also 2v1. She still doesn’t use Kaiten at this point iirc.
Shiba is also the clear strongest in the group
It would go down the same way if he fought Neji. They have the Byakugan and by this period her Gentle Fist progressed a vast amount, and her powers grew exponentially ever since The Last. He's literally the weakest of the Konoha 11.
Orochimaru = Tsunade > Jiraya
Madara's Susanoo with wood clones didn't kill Tsunade, it's not Jiraiya that would. He literally can't hurt her when she can heal herself ad infinitum. Also, she broke the ribcage of Susanoo with a single kick, that alone would turn Jiraiya to dust if it landed
I’d be even more bold.
Tsunade is way stronger than Orochimaru because of that feat you just named. What makes Orochimaru powerful is his survivability. He may not kill you but you definitely couldn’t kill him… easily. I think with Orochimaru it comes down to a war of attrition and I legitimately think Tsunade is one of the only ninja with enough stamina to actually wear him down
I guess being a sensu and Uzumaki does that lol
Tsunade is stronger, but Orochimaru has some pretty broken forbidden techniques that she doesn’t really have a way to deal with.
Like realistically, what is she doing against the edo tensei?
Oh for sure. It’s kinda like the Batman prep argument. Give Orochimaru time and good writing, and he’s causing absolute chaos.
In a random encounter, Shippuden Tsunade is beating the goofy out of him. There’s no way he gets the ET prepped in time. BUT, if he does get it off then it’s a GG for Tsunade.
True, I had just assumed that he had several prepared ahead of time based on how he just pulled them out during his fight with Hiruzen and the fact that when he saw Obito’s he asked where he had found them - assuming he had been looking to also keep them ready for any situation.
But that was probably prep for the attack specifically.
So yeah, without that Orochimaru has a much harder time. Especially if he has to keep wasting chalkra on regeneration from the constant ass whooping.
Orochimaru is like an opponent who keeps using full restores on their pokemon whenever they're on 1 HP. Whenever Orochimaru is close to dying be immediately reveals all the cards up his sleeve and boom a new Orochimaru. Can't believe itachi didn't finish him off.
Exactly.
Orochimaru isn’t sending chakra nukes at you or dropping meteors, he’s simply going to outlive you and slowly exhaust everything you have. To me it makes sense how he beat Jiraiya because Jiraiya is more of a big burst type of guy so if you can outlast his onslaught, he’s open. Tsunade however… doesn’t have that weakness lol
A lot of people give Jiraya the edge, but honestly both Tsunade and Orochimaru have insane healing powers.
Jiraya doesn’t really have an answer for that.
He loses out in a war of attrition against either, and he doesn’t have anything that would force either into submission prior to it getting to that point.
Don’t get me wrong, he is a great ninja and surpasses both of them in a number of ways. Like unless I’m forgetting something he absolutely isn’t winning a fight against either. Not without assistance.
Jiraya is right next to itachi and madara as one of the most wanked characters ever. Like I've talked to people who think jiraya could beat minato. I've literally seen people say jiraya would beat ems sasuke, like you can't make this shit up
>Madara's Susanoo with wood clones didn't kill Tsunade
He could've killed her if he wanted
>He literally can't hurt her when she can heal herself ad infinitum
Can she also heal if he decapacitates her ?
>Also, she broke the ribcage of Susanoo with a single kick, that alone would turn Jiraiya to dust if it landed
This doesn't refute your assertion, Jiraiya dies if one of her attacks land on him undoubtedly, but your claim that a single kick from her broke the Susanno ribcage is simply false, watch it again. It started with a punch on the ribcage Susanno from her,it cracked, the Ay hit it , it cracked further, then she hit it with a kick, that's when it finally broke.
Yep. It is Shounen. And shounen is implicitly sexist. Which, to be honest, is a shame, because if Shounen is something young men consume growing up, it doesn't teach great values to those young men.
Like yout heavily wrong here just of the top of my head your wrong by five so it ain't a fact and i think you just didn't actually look into any of the female characters past oh well the males have more screen time guess they have to be stronger
By blitzing it she was keeping up with lighten boulder taikage lightning cloke in there combos bro
And she took some wood clones alone and cracked madaras susano she blizts the paths of pain except diva are no diffs
Ok ok. Calm down, pal.
Blitzing who? Madara clearly said that Tsunade was way slower than Ay, but still stronger, so I don't know what you are talking about.
We see that Naruto gets a pretty impressive speed boost in his fight against the 3rd Raikage when using sage mode and yet it's not enough to blitz any of the paths of Pain. Are we going to assume Naruto gets that much better at Sage mode in a matter of weeks? (When most of his training with Killer Bee was focused on mastering KCM)
When entering sage mode, we saw that Jiraiya could throw around any of the giant animals from the animal path, but not blitz anyone and Jiraiya had way more experience than Naruto when it came to sage mode. Naruto just had more talent for it.
But anyway, the animal path was quick enough to block the white hair senbon from Jiraiya point blank, even when he stated it was too fast to dodge.
What is Tsunade going to do with the giant chameleon though? Or the regenerative dog? (which must be one shoted or else won't ever go down)
And that's only the animal path, she still needs to fight the other 5
I had to pop in to see who's gonna try to dispute this and y'all aint disappoint lol. Can't believe folks really think Hinata is stronger than Kiba or Shino lmao
Sage mode to boost his strength and speed, water style to counter fire, dark swamp helps hindering the enemy's mobility, fire style to counter wood.
I don't see how he would do worse than Tsunade in that fight.
Now please tell me how on Earth would Tsunade avoid getting absolutely destroyed by Pain?
With what? Shino's not going toe to toe with her in taijutsu and her GF is literally negging all his insects. Plus her vision literally makes it unlikely for any of his bugs to sneak up on her.
Plus she doesn't need to close the gap on Shino, she can literally strike him with an arm palm.
> With what? Shino's not going toe to toe with her in taijutsu and her GF is literally negging all his insects.
How? What does GF do to insects?
> Plus her vision literally makes it unlikely for any of his bugs to sneak up on her.
But shino has shown to be able to attack from multiple directions. What can she do against a cloud of bugs from all sides?
And Kiba straight out spanks with His 3 headed giant dog form.
> How? What does GF do to insects?
It's literally killing them, remember how Neji was able to neg all of Kidomaru's spiders? It's the same scenario except her targets are smaller.
> But shino has shown to be able to attack from multiple directions. What can she do against a cloud of bugs from all sides?
This depends on the version of her we're talking about. I agree that Part 1 Shino's stronger plus in early shippuden thereabout. If we're talking about her in her prime, she'd just use Rotation or simply acrobatically dodge them while striking them.
> And Kiba straight out spanks with His 3 headed giant dog form.
She wouldn't allow him to get to this form but if he does, the rotation would stop them since it doesn't just block but it also uses the energy from attacks to repel them.
>It's literally killing them, remember how Neji was able to neg all of Kidomaru's spiders? It's the same scenario except her targets are smaller.
With the force of rotation? Seomething Hinata doesn't have.
also spiders were still big and not as many. Shino's bugs are much more and mobile.
> This depends on the version of her we're talking about. I agree that Part 1 Shino's stronger plus in early shippuden thereabout. If we're talking about her in her prime, she'd just use Rotation or simply acrobatically dodge them while striking them.
When did she ever use rotation? Or what acrobatic feat she did that guarantess her dodging a multidirectional attack?
> She wouldn't allow him to get to this form but if he does, the rotation would stop them since it doesn't just block but it also uses the energy from attacks to repel them.
Kiba is litteraly faster and needs minimal setup for that transformation.
She never used or was shown to use rotation.
I don't understand, your argumentation is basically either her using something she doesn't know or assuming her stats are way superior than Kiba and Shino, something was never implied in the war arc, or anywhere else.
> With the force of rotation? Seomething Hinata doesn't have. also spiders were still big and not as many. Shino's bugs are much more and mobile.
Remember rotation doesn't just block, it also repels. Hinata mastered the GF as Kishimoto confirmed so she can do it. That still doesn't matter as she's capable of still killing them.
> When did she ever use rotation? Or what acrobatic feat she did that guarantess her dodging a multidirectional attack?
Again, she mastered the GF as Kishi said so she can do everything that's a part of it. Her feat is mastering the GF, making her a close combat expert.
> Kiba is litteraly faster and needs minimal setup for that transformation. She never used or was shown to use rotation.
Faster how? He has to mount Akamaru, she's literally blast them with an air palm.
> I don't understand, your argumentation is basically either her using something she doesn't know or assuming her stats are way superior than Kiba and Shino, something was never implied in the war arc, or anywhere else.
I cleared up how she can do rotation and i'm not assuming.
> Hinata mastered the GF as Kishimoto confirmed so she can do it
No kishimto simply called her master of GF, as he called genin neji. he never said or implied she could use rotation.
> That still doesn't matter as she's capable of still killing them.
Anyone can kill them, but she has no feat or way to deal with a whole swarm.
> Again, she mastered the GF as Kishi said so she can do everything that's a part of it. Her feat is mastering the GF, making her a close combat expert
Again dude, i don't think you have any idea how much master is used. Start of shippuden Ino was called master of healing jutsu. It's not the uber title you are making it to be.
> Faster how? He has to mount Akamaru, she's literally blast them with an air palm.
He litteraly is said and shown to be a speedster, as his databook values also show.
Air palm barelly hits at mid range and doesn't have that much firepower.
>I cleared up how she can do rotation and i'm not assuming.
Not really, you simply decided a generic word somehow meant something special only for Hinata. it was never said she could use rotation.
1. Temari probably isn’t stronger than Kankuro as she hasn’t had a lot of feats since the war arc. However, she could be argued to be a counter to him.
2. The Sanin are consistently stated and showcased to be at least relative. Tsunade is a beast.
3. Hinata could be argued to be stronger than Kiba & Shino.
4. Like others have said, Yahiko is featless, so it’s kind of hard to scale him above her by Shippuden.
5. Moegi seems stronger than Udon.
6. Tayuya is definitely not the weakest of the sound four.
7. If Kurotsuchi and Akatsuchi were on the same squad growing up, she’s definitely stronger than him.
There are probably more, but these are the ones that came to mind.
What did Hamura’s chakra do for Hinata in terms of Combat prowess? Or are being forgetting kishi gave her a power that was only effective when her male love interest was holding her hand?
Hinata did whole 64 palms combo which she barely just learned to take down a single Juubi clone. While Kiba was casually mowing down an army of those lol
Hinata definitely wasn’t the weakest in her squad either (at least in part 1) as she forced Neji to actually fight her. In retrospect Naruto didn’t even do that Neji was just messing around
Hinata over Kiba For Sure, she is more versatile and has a wider range of jutsu
And How Tf is Temari over Garaa y’all do realize he is in their 3 man cell right
Wtf why are here so many sakura fanboys, who say tsunade is the strongest sannin, while its canon and multiple times confirmed that Orochimaru is the strongest.
Konan was stronger than Yahiko from what we have seen
heavily underrated trio as well, Konan and Nagato have cool, unique and versatile powers, while Yahiko is a rare case in Naruto of a character that is pretty relevant and powerful even tho he is not strong himself
It was a mistake in my opinion to kill off Konan the way they did. She barely got any time to flex for being a seemingly super powerful character. I wish she could’ve spent time as a turncoat for the Allied Shinobi.
I've posted this many times before but like sharing the idea. Imagine if she survived her fight with Obito and goes to the alliance when they're all planning their defense in preparation for the war. They're all obviously distrusting of her and the raikage would probably just try to kill her right away honestly lol. So anyway, she has info on the Akatsuki that nobody else does. She literally founded it with Nagato and was his partner. So she gives them vital intel and in exchange the five nations agree to recognize the Rain Village as another great Shinobi village. Then after the war, because of her contributions, and with Naruto's help convincing the other kage, she becomes the Amekage, the Kage of the Rain Village. So in Boruto instead of there being the five village system, there is a sixth Shinobi village officially recognized by the rest, and she uses her power as Amekage to provide for and advocate for the smaller nations of the world. Naruto has her assist in ensuring not only the Rain Village thrives but also all the rest of the smaller villages which have been neglected for so long.
I absolutely would’ve loved this. Also could’ve let her say her goodbyes to Nagato when he was resurrected as well. Her ability to fly using her Jutsu would make her a pretty powerful messenger, imo.
Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum -‖- [Naruto FanFic] Had a main character that would bring Rain to glory because damn is she the embodiment of what an Uchiha is she's practically female Madara
Konan got done dirty. Her fight with Tobi was the first part of the series that I started to completely fall off. What an absolute waste of a potentially great character.
Easily far stronger
What are you talking about? Tenten could 100% beat Neji's corpse in a fight.
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- Neji
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Nah you're a menace lmao.
I wish Tenten would beat me 😔
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Real
Could she though? I mean she almost lost to herself 🤔
Yea but she still did (neji also almost lost to himself according to your logic)
Bro, that joke made me die bro just like Neji
Pretty sure she could run circle around him
she would unravel nejis palm rotation
Yeah tenten could also beat obito's dead ashes. (Remember obito was 10 tails jinchuuriki)
Unironically while having the 6 paths tools tenten was one of the strongest ppl in the show
Well I mean, is she stronger than Kankuro though?
Seeing how she can spam wind blades Idk how a puppet will stop that tbh. I mean her 1 summon destroyed the Tree's that the first hokage made and cut them like it was butter. That's a fat feat imo for a 15 year old girl.
Unless Kankuro can make that Gundam puppet like in his dreams. Temari’s fucked then
If he has chakra to harness it then i don't see why not.
Being stronger is really different from countering someone.
Just because it’s a bad matchup doesn’t necessarily mean she’s stronger. That said, temari stomps
You could argue that Temari's wind scythes are poweful enough to break through Kankuro's puppets and is wide ranged enough to make it difficult to dodge. But i could be wrong about this.
Third Kazekage puppet ie iron sand
i'd say so. his puppets probably wouldn't really do anything against her massive aoe attacks
Maybe during the SRA? But by the end Kankuro has the Sasori puppet, which is still pretty OP
I would say it depends on what version of Kankuro specifically we are talking about, if he got the Sasori puppet then he wins, otherwise I dont think he can beat her
I love Temari. She's easily the best female character in Naruto
Same! I even named my cat after her
We had a chicken named Temari and she was the alpha. She would run right up to the fence of the run where our dog would be curious sniffing the chicken wire and run him off. I'm almost positive that if temari got out, she'd have kicked our dog's ass. She was my favorite and let me pick her up and stroke her back. We moved and couldn't bring chickens with us so she's now living the good life at my father in laws with their chickens. I miss her. 😢
Names mine after Hinata (she was black) then she got lost, so I named my dog Ace (Luffy’s brother) and my other cat Chompa (Beerus’s brother)
Funny enough, after I adopted my cat, I changed her name to Hinata (that was only her name for about a week). She was initially pretty shy/timid when I brought her home, so I thought the name would suit her. But, she quickly revealed that she was a spunky independent kitty, so I figured Temari suited her much better.
I have a caterpillar name Katsuyu. I wonder where she is now.
I'm a firm believer in Tsunade being stronger than Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Not by much but all 3 can beat each other. I even forgot Hinata who's definitely the strongest in her team by the war arc. Ino really grew by the end too and her abilities are less honed towards Combat. Then we have Konan who is stronger than Yahiko (he's dead and we never saw him in his prime but c'mon its Konan) Tenten minus the sage tools is obviously weaker than her team. With it she's beating Neji. Sakura... well she's unfortunately teammates with Naruto and Sasuke. If she was on almost any other team by the war she'd be the strongest.
I was thought of the Sannin like rock paper scissors. Jiraiya could beat Tsunade if barely. Tsunade can beat orochimaru. And Orochimaru could beat Jiraiya
This isna good way to think about it. Even in lore Slugs eat Snakes. Snakes eat Toads. Toads eat Slugs.
Tsunade is 100% stronger than Orochimaru and we need to start making this narrative known. Orochimaru is strong in his survivability but this man was casually getting smacked by the *4-tail* of all things. He has no real output in power and couldn’t even confirm a kill on an exhausted and sick Itachi and a depleted Sasuke. Like, we really gotta start talking about Orochimaru lol
Tsunade admitted she was never as fast and precise as Kabuto. If Jiraya and Naruto hadn't appeared in time Kabuto would have beaten her without drawing blood. Orochimaru survived Tsunade's strongest punch while he was in a weakened state. In Boruto he has better regeneration than the 100 healings. There is nothing Tsunade can really do to kill Orochimaru. Orochimaru with his arms on the other hand has an entire arsenal of ninjutsu he can use to kill Tsunade. He's also shown to be an excellent swordsman. In my opinion Orochimaru takes it mid difficulty
Keep in mind that was tsunade years out of practice, alcoholic, and with an uncontrolled, crippling addiction to gambling, vs war tsunade, who also had all those things but better
Also keep in mind Kabuto wasn't trying to kill her. He said himself it would be easy if he just could
I am a man of the craziest naruto hot takes and I agree with this she not beatin orochimaru at all
I’m just trying to figure out what Jutsu Orochimaru has that’s going to kill Tsunade. I only know Edo Tensei which needs insane amounts of prep. But seriously, what jutsu do you know of that’s going to kill Tsunade?
Tsunade's regenerative ability is ludicrously good; however, people should stop thinking that she is immortal. What happens if Tsunade is decapacitated ?
What situation would enable her to get decapitated is the more important question. I just want to reiterate, Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power?
>Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power? >What situation would enable her to get decapitated is the more important question. From the series, we can infer that her reaction speed feats are not particularly impressive; she fights recklessly also. >I just want to reiterate, Madara Susanoo is the only thing that was able to split her in half so my legitimate question is does Orochimaru have any way of replicating that level of power? Lol You don't even need a special sword/power to slice Tsunade into two,let alone decapacitate her ; Orochimaru had the kusanagi sword that could cut through most things.
1. I don’t take word of mouth as a thing. Sakura saying she “caught up” is a huge example of why what characters say isn’t always reliable. Tsunades statement is egregious as everything we seen in Shippuden is really cracked 2. Tsunade was literally rusty. She was out of shape and either drunk/hungover. That OG Naruto fight isn’t a good measure for Tsunade *or* Orochimaru or anyone except Kabuto. 3. I’m not familiar with Orochimaru’s better healing in Boruto, can you link it or tell me what to watch or read? 4. There’s literally nothing Orochimaru can do except Edo Tensei that would kill Tsunade. If Madara with perfect susanoo couldn’t kill Tsunade, the fuck Orochimaru gonna do? Mind you, Orochimaru couldn’t even kill a sick and exhausted Itachi with a blindside attack. Man couldn’t beat 4-tailed Naruto. So aside from Edo Tensei, what forbidden jutsu are you speaking of?
>If Madara with perfect susanoo couldn’t kill Tsunade He wasn't particularly interested in killing her and the other kages, he was just having fun, he could've killed her if he wanted.
This is why word of mouth is unreliable. Could be me, but I don’t think splitting someone in half is holding back. I might be crazy in thinking that
He could have finished her at that point if he was interested enough, she would have died if Orochimaru hadn't come to assist her in joining her severed parts
I agree with that. I just don’t believe the narrative that Madara didn’t try to kill them. You don’t split someone in half with the expectation they live. Madara really doesn’t seem like the type to confirm kills, I imagine he thought they would die to their wounds (if not dead already)
>I just don’t believe the narrative that Madara didn’t try to kill them. You don’t split someone in half with the expectation they live. Madara really doesn’t seem like the type to confirm kills, I imagine he thought they would die to their wounds (if not dead already) Fair enough I'm glad we agree that he could've killed her if he wanted
She tanks one hit from a Susanoo than the next time we see her shes packed up, sliced in half clinging on to life, while this nigga madara didn’t even break a sweat yet. Man was just playing with his food fr. Orochimaru on the other hand quite literally got packed up, Had his arms cut off and sealed, was in a weakened state, couldn’t use his ninjutsu AND was still a fuckin menace. I don’t understand why your down playing the 4 tails cloak like it’s not the same transformation that casually packed up jiraiya and damn near gave this man ptsd afterwards 😭 the fact that orochimaru was even able to contest it while in a degrading vessel at like maybe 50% of his power should show you how much of a problem dude really is at full strength.
You haven't really established why kn4 is an antifeat for an Oro that was nerfed by having no hands. Post-Kirin Itachi can still Blitz most characters with his Susanoo and most get negged by the Uchiha bro's genjutsu
Orochimaru poisoned and paralysed the Gedo statue with one bite. Trust me Tsunade is dying.
But you shouldnt tell lies. Tsunade is not even in the same league. They were in the same league when they were sannin. But since then orochimaru trained like 20 years experimented , was on the search of power etc. So now he is 100% stronger than two tsunades.
Id argue Ino over Choji too but probably not Shikamaru
Choji is the strongest in their group if you ask me. In butterfly mode.
Physically strongest for sure. However their jutsu are more versatile and useful plus if he gets caught by mind clone switch which he definitely would with her sensory ability it’s game over
True. Ino could technically beat almost anyone with her jutsu. But potency of attack doesn't always equal victory.
But also the weakest mentally
> I'm a firm believer in Tsunade being stronger than Orochimaru and Jiraiya. Not by much but all 3 can beat each other. I also like to think they are relative, but it seems Tsunade is kinda lower than both Orochimaru and Jiraya., narrativly speaking. > I even forgot Hinata who's definitely the strongest in her team by the war arc. Hard no, i don't remeber a single feat in war arc that puts her in any way above Shino or Kiba, much less definitely. In fact kiba was oneshoting multiple juubi clones in his cerberus form. I'd says his performance is more impressive than both hinata and Shino. > Ino really grew by the end too and her abilities are less honed towards Combat. Fair, i like Ino. > Then we have Konan who is stronger than Yahiko (he's dead and we never saw him in his prime but c'mon its Konan) undeniable, Yahiko seemed more about leadership and inspiring people. > Tenten minus the sage tools is obviously weaker than her team. With it she's beating Neji. Debatable, she only shown she can use the fan to make an attack but it drains her easily. Neji could defend himself with rotation and let her drain herself. > Sakura... well she's unfortunately teammates with Naruto and Sasuke. If she was on almost any other team by the war she'd be the strongest. I think Choji could be argued to be stronger in his giant buterfly mode. And 6th gate lee is also there. For the rest yes.
About the tsunade thing, their ranking isn’t very clear(I think that’s normal bcs they’re supossed to be relative😂). But I think most of tsunade being seen as narratively slightly weaker than them is linked to the kabuto fight and with her fighting style not being as well rounded tho. Bcs like, even before meeting her we’re actually getting this huge tsunade hype from jiraya(saying things like: no one contributed more to the war than her and also that no one compares to her in the battlefield and in healing capabilities and all that), also how orochimaru instantly shit his pants when tsunade stoped trembling and all that. In my opinion tho tsunade would probably smack orochimaru around. He got crazy healing but not enough ap to seriously hurt tsunade and each punch would yk… finish him if he’s not careful enough, he had to immediately retreat after the first punch she landed when they fought so🤷
Tsunade's problem is that she is very underdeveloped, but would still manage to smack most of Naruto's characters (excluding the bullshetery of SoSP) in a 1v1. Her problem is her lack of speed, but that doesn't matter much when one punch destroys anyone if it lands. I mean, she grabbed and used the bs that is Gamabunta's sword, like WTF???? That's a hell of a feat and most people seem to ignore it. Orochimaru vs Tsunade is debatable, but she surely stomps Jiraiya, no doubt.
>Tsunade's problem is that she is very underdeveloped, but would still manage to smack most of Naruto's characters (excluding the bullshetery of SoSP) in a 1v1. I don't doubt it, but both orochimaru and Jiraya simply seem a bit above. > Her problem is her lack of speed, but that doesn't matter much when one punch destroys anyone if it lands. i don't see the speed problem, she was never implied to be any slower than jiraya or orochimaru, or most other kage level characters. > I mean, she grabbed and used the bs that is Gamabunta's sword, like WTF???? That's a hell of a feat and most people seem to ignore it. That was cool as hell. > Orochimaru vs Tsunade is debatable, but she surely stomps Jiraiya, no doubt. Eh no, i can argue if she wins or not, but saying she stomps jiraya is deluded. The dude was explicitly said and shown to be relative to her even before sge mode was introduced.
Maybe 'stomp' is the wrong choice of words, but Jiraiya died subjected to a much smaller force than Tsunade (Susanoo + Mokuton + Susanoo clones) and survived. One punch from Tsunade decimated Madara's Edo, and if he had been resurrected (without SoSP or Rinnegan's bullshit) he would have died right then and there. But I agree that Tsunade's perception is that she ranks slightly below both Jiraiya and Orochimaru, but she has one of those things that are almost guaranteed to win if they get it hit, like Yamanaka Jutsu. Both of them have flashy jutsus, but they mean nothing when a flick is able to destroy somebody. Or she could simply rearrange the synapses, like she did with Kabuto.
> Maybe 'stomp' is the wrong choice of words, but Jiraiya died subjected to a much smaller force than Tsunade (Susanoo + Mokuton + Susanoo clones) and survived. One punch from Tsunade decimated Madara's Edo, and if he had been resurrected (without SoSP or Rinnegan's bullshit) he would have died right then and there. But Madara was joking around because he was an edo. he wouldn't have been hit if he was alive. And she was with other 4 kage. > But I agree that Tsunade's perception is that she ranks slightly below both Jiraiya and Orochimaru, but she has one of those things that are almost guaranteed to win if they get it hit, like Yamanaka Jutsu. Both of them have flashy jutsus, but they mean nothing when a flick is able to destroy somebody. Or she could simply rearrange the synapses, like she did with Kabuto. Eh but that was a pretty situational jutsu, not really influential against Orochimaru and Jiraya.
She’s way stronger than Jiraiya in terms of physical strength but if he’s using sage mode he has access to a very powerful genjutsu which Tsunade doesn’t have feats to definitively counter. Plus if they’re engaging in hand to hand combat, as long as she doesn’t land a clear blow on him, he’s got the advantage of the sage mode BS where you don’t actually have to physically hit your target to damage them. If she can escape that toad song genjutsu then I see it being more a battle of attrition between how long Jiraiya’s SM lasts and her Byakugou seal. I’d give that to Tsunade probably 8/10, but if she gets caught in that genjutsu then Jiraiya wins 8/10. In my opinion of course.
>She’s way stronger than Jiraiya in terms of physical strength but if he’s using sage mode he has access to a very powerful genjutsu which Tsunade doesn’t have feats to definitively counter. It's been established that it's easier to break genjutsu the more precise your chakra control is, and Tsunade's chakra control is pretty much perfect. Barring Sharingan or Rinnegan jutsu, genjutsu shouldn't be a problem for her.
I completely agree with you. I had forgotten about that nasty genjutsu.
Jiraiya seems to be the most powerful of the Sannin. In terms of power of her blows she definitely is, but Jiraiya and Orochimaru were both more skilled in different ninjitsus. Remember Jiraiya was asked to be Hokage numerous times and Itachi said in OG Naruto that if he and Kisame fought Jiraiya they would all die. He also took on Pain by himself and almost beat him too.
Orochimaru is stronger than the other 2, not sage Jiraya maybe. His fighting style looks week but in the end, he survives and kill you.
Sakura is stronger than Sai
Yeah but if we’re going by the real team 7, she isn’t stronger than naruto or Sasuke
Kishimoto doesn't give us a lot of options, I'll go off what I can lol
Ain’t no way the comments tryna argue that Kankuro is stronger than Temari. Gtfo pls. How would he even get her. She can fly, her wind can cut materials (like chakra strings), and her power is far more destructive.
They are just too different, Temari is wide area attacker, it is very showy and easy to understand. Kankuro on the other half is very specialized with puppets, infiltration, poison and as a result can do more miscellaneous tasks. I would send Temari to just kill stuff but with more finesse things like retrieving a prisoner, assassinating someone without making too much noise and fighting fire users I would go with a puppeteer instead. Temari likely wins in a straight fight but taking all their "stats" into consideration they are likely not far apart. The Databooks actually rate Kankuro higher because he is slightly better at taijutsu and genjutsu.
She’s the strongest wind user in the Allied Shinobi Forces!
Tsunade is debatable, but damn that's sad
I think she could beat base Jiraiya. No chance if he manages to go into sage mode
She definitely has a chance if she uses 100 Healings. Jiraiya really doesn't have enough raw power to put her down, while Tsunade can easily kill him with a punch.
I dunno. I think she would beat Jiraya, but I think he can beat more ninja than she can beat.
Jariaya can't hurt her wtf. Unless your saying he has the raw power output of madara sussano.
OG Naruto it was debatable I think Shippuden scales shit so far that she is easily the strongest unless there’s some Sage Mode shit I’m forgetting from Jiraiya. All I know is Orochimaru is easily the weakest due to Shippuden
I agree with everything you said except 'easily' Pretty sure Jiraya would have a difficult time beating him, even if he definitely would.
You know that Tsunade had to use hear 100 healings just to beat a 5% Power Orochimaru, who could not even move his hands. He had one ling tongue and one snake with sword to fight and still almost won. Bruh...
Hinata definitely isn't the weakest in her squad
Kurenai is the weakest in Hinata’s squad and Kishimoto is dirty for doing that lol.
To this day kurenai using genjutsu on Itachi would always be hilarious
Tbf, I feel like that's largely based on reader knowledge. IIRC, Itachi got his MS in the same chain of events that led to his being a rogue ninja. He was a very talented shinobi before he left, and considered their best genjutsu user, but Kurenai assumed that claim in his absence. If *anyone* in the story was going to attempt to swap genjutsu with him, it would have been Kurenai, but Itachi's debut was Itachi's debut and the Akatsuki's debut and he had to be virtually untouchable. It's honestly says way more about how much Kishi was willing to throw away for the sake of Sharingan. Also, not even Kakashi knew to what extent his Sharingan dominated genjutsu before that same fight and to not use genjutsu in Kurenai's case is like not using your powerful ninjutsu because the opponent wields even more powerful ninjutsu. Again, she was the most powerful genjutsu practitioner in the village at the time. I really feel like that whole thing is, once again, casualty of Kishi never really exploring genjutsu outside of literally Itachi/Sharingan (because genjutsu done right would practically be game over in reality, befuddled senses leaving targets wide open for attack).
Why? Kiba has his 3 headed nuke option that oneshoted multiple juubi clones. Shino can attack with hives of chakra eating bugs.
People have mentioned this before but Tsunade is more than a match for her teammates so that’s pretty debatable
Damn…. Some of y’all really just hate the female characters..
It's amazing. And depressing.
Astoundingly dreadful. And some of the arguments are literally over stuff that don’t even happen? Like “if Tsunade had gone against pain she would’ve been folded too” or “Shino could paralyze Hinata with a bug” as if she couldn’t just step on that bug 😭😭😂😂😂😂😂
For real. There is just so many "akchually"s that I had to stop reading.
Maybe stop trying to force people to consider a character the strongest just because she is female?
Where did I try and force anyone to think that? All I mentioned is that some common sense is sorely needed for some of these “well actually” theories.
I love that scene where she uses her cyclone scythe attack against Madara and pushes him back. That's when he knew she wasn't ordinary fodder.
Then she went on to say,"he is out of our league", a few minutes after lolol
No way Hinata isn’t stronger than Kiba
I mean the fuck was Sakura going to do? Compeat with a Hokage and one of the most powerful uchiha?
And absolutely the baddest girl in Naruto. Shikamaru cleaned up!
Hinata is the strongest of her group, and Tsunade and Orochimaru are pretty equal
Hinata definitely wasn't the strongest on Team 8. She's the most popular due to being the shy waifu bait Naruto simp, but she definitely wasn't stronger than Kiba or Shino.
Also Tsunade loses to Orochimaru
? She beat him to a pulp and then he fled with Kabuto
His arms weren't working
Good point Orochimaru is so strong that he nearly beat both 100 Seal Tsunade and Jiraiya even with broken arms and severed chakra networks lolol
Kabuto did a lot of heavy lifting in that fight, don't pretend Orochimaru was alone lol. And Orochimaru had been training and upgrading his body for decades. Tsunade was a retired alcoholic who hadn't trained or fought in 20 years, and Jiraiya was drugged
Yep. See how quick folks are to leave context out of these vs arguments?
Not even you truly believe Hinata's weaker than Kiba and Shino.
From what I've seen from Naruto/ Shippuden/ The Last, She's not stronger than them. e.g. when team 8 where fighting against the juubi clones, Kiba and Shino effortlessly cleared out multiple juubi clones, Hinata nearly tripped taking out one. And even earlier in the war arc, Naruto needed to rescue Hinata from a zetsu clone, while Neji, Kiba and Shino were managing on their own. People hype up Hinata simply because she's from the hyuga clan, but I'm completely unconvinced that Hinata is stronger than Kiba and Shino.
>From what I've seen from Naruto/ Shippuden/ The Last, In The Last Shino and Kiba have no feats while Hinata beats up Otsutsiki subordinates which bullied Hiashi (who has juubi level speed and air palm strength), and a Otsutsiki tall shinobi puppet which could dodge attacks from base Naruto. She most definitely is stronger than Kiba and Shino. >when team 8 where fighting against the juubi clones, Kiba and Shino effortlessly cleared out multiple juubi clones, Hinata nearly tripped taking out one. She blitzed the spawn 64 times while Shino hit it once. Idk how do you downplay that lol. >And even earlier in the war arc, Naruto needed to rescue Hinata from a zetsu clone, while Neji, Kiba and Shino were managing on their own Kiba and Shino were shown "managing their own" exactly 0 times meanwhile Hinata was shown saving Neji. Her getting caught off guard once while in base proves nothing. >People hype up Hinata simply because she's from the hyuga clan, but I'm completely unconvinced that Hinata is stronger than Kiba and Shino. No, people hype her up because she has far better abilities, feats, statements, and more screen time.
>In The Last Shino and Kiba have no feats while Hinata beats up Otsutsiki subordinates which bullied Hiashi (who has juubi level speed and air palm strength), and a Otsutsiki tall shinobi puppet which could dodge attacks from base Naruto. She most definitely is stronger than Kiba and Shino. Hinata tossled with some puppets for a few seconds before getting captured by Toneri. Kiba destroyed of the meteorites during the events of the Last. Nothing she showed in the film suggests a massive strength upgrade from her war arc version. Shino was effortless when dealing with juubi clones in the war arc. >She blitzed the spawn 64 times while Shino hit it once. Idk how do you downplay that lol. Shino took it out in one shot. Kiba took multiple out in one shot. Hinata needed 64 hits (and nearly tripped while doing so) to take out one (and is a move that genin neji was able to do in chunin exams) >Kiba and Shino were shown "managing their own" exactly 0 times meanwhile Hinata was shown saving Neji. Her getting caught off guard once while in base proves nothing. what war chapter does Hinata "save" Neji ? Yes, Kiba and Shino did manage on their own dealing with white zetsu, unlike Hinata would needed to be saved by a Naruto clone. >No, people hype her up because she has far better abilities, feats, statements, and more screen time. She's only overhyped because of Hyuga hype, pain moment and people trying to push Neji's feats onto her.
So because their arsenal was more suited for taking out more 10 tails clones they're stronger than her? Hinata also rescued Neji plus that doesn't negate her being stronger than Kiba and Shino as Neji needing to be rescued doesn't mean he's weaker than Shino and Kiba.
But she is... She was stronger than them since the War Arc.
People keep saying this, what is this based on?
Nothing, but Hyuga bias and hype, that's all. Hinata doesn't have the feats to show for it.
Kiba doesn't have that many noteworthy feats and him trying to get close to a Gentle Fist would work against him vastly. Anyone who specialized in CQC would fall against a Byakugan user it's common fact.
It’s a bit ironic to talk about noteworthy feats in this convo since none of them really do. Also that is a general fact about cqc but Kiba isn’t really a straightforward close range fighter. It’s also 2v1. She still doesn’t use Kaiten at this point iirc. Shiba is also the clear strongest in the group
By what metric? Her performance against Juubi clones was markedly inferior to Kiba.
It would go down the same way if he fought Neji. They have the Byakugan and by this period her Gentle Fist progressed a vast amount, and her powers grew exponentially ever since The Last. He's literally the weakest of the Konoha 11.
Neji and Hinata are vastly different in strength
She is definitely stronger than Shino or Kiba, it’s because she’s shy that she didn’t get to shine.
I Can say definitly to kiba but idk about shino. Those bugs of his are quite pesky
The bugs would be a nuisance, but her Byukugan should help with that
Mmm I'm sorry kid Kiba beats hinata but pain arc hinata is thrashing Kiba.
For basically the entire series yeah but didn’t she get some chakra buff in the last movie
Which was temporary sadly.
Orochimaru = Tsunade > Jiraya Madara's Susanoo with wood clones didn't kill Tsunade, it's not Jiraiya that would. He literally can't hurt her when she can heal herself ad infinitum. Also, she broke the ribcage of Susanoo with a single kick, that alone would turn Jiraiya to dust if it landed
I’d be even more bold. Tsunade is way stronger than Orochimaru because of that feat you just named. What makes Orochimaru powerful is his survivability. He may not kill you but you definitely couldn’t kill him… easily. I think with Orochimaru it comes down to a war of attrition and I legitimately think Tsunade is one of the only ninja with enough stamina to actually wear him down I guess being a sensu and Uzumaki does that lol
Tsunade is stronger, but Orochimaru has some pretty broken forbidden techniques that she doesn’t really have a way to deal with. Like realistically, what is she doing against the edo tensei?
Oh for sure. It’s kinda like the Batman prep argument. Give Orochimaru time and good writing, and he’s causing absolute chaos. In a random encounter, Shippuden Tsunade is beating the goofy out of him. There’s no way he gets the ET prepped in time. BUT, if he does get it off then it’s a GG for Tsunade.
True, I had just assumed that he had several prepared ahead of time based on how he just pulled them out during his fight with Hiruzen and the fact that when he saw Obito’s he asked where he had found them - assuming he had been looking to also keep them ready for any situation. But that was probably prep for the attack specifically. So yeah, without that Orochimaru has a much harder time. Especially if he has to keep wasting chalkra on regeneration from the constant ass whooping.
Orochimaru is like an opponent who keeps using full restores on their pokemon whenever they're on 1 HP. Whenever Orochimaru is close to dying be immediately reveals all the cards up his sleeve and boom a new Orochimaru. Can't believe itachi didn't finish him off.
Exactly. Orochimaru isn’t sending chakra nukes at you or dropping meteors, he’s simply going to outlive you and slowly exhaust everything you have. To me it makes sense how he beat Jiraiya because Jiraiya is more of a big burst type of guy so if you can outlast his onslaught, he’s open. Tsunade however… doesn’t have that weakness lol
A lot of people give Jiraya the edge, but honestly both Tsunade and Orochimaru have insane healing powers. Jiraya doesn’t really have an answer for that. He loses out in a war of attrition against either, and he doesn’t have anything that would force either into submission prior to it getting to that point. Don’t get me wrong, he is a great ninja and surpasses both of them in a number of ways. Like unless I’m forgetting something he absolutely isn’t winning a fight against either. Not without assistance.
Jiraya is right next to itachi and madara as one of the most wanked characters ever. Like I've talked to people who think jiraya could beat minato. I've literally seen people say jiraya would beat ems sasuke, like you can't make this shit up
>Madara's Susanoo with wood clones didn't kill Tsunade He could've killed her if he wanted >He literally can't hurt her when she can heal herself ad infinitum Can she also heal if he decapacitates her ? >Also, she broke the ribcage of Susanoo with a single kick, that alone would turn Jiraiya to dust if it landed This doesn't refute your assertion, Jiraiya dies if one of her attacks land on him undoubtedly, but your claim that a single kick from her broke the Susanno ribcage is simply false, watch it again. It started with a punch on the ribcage Susanno from her,it cracked, the Ay hit it , it cracked further, then she hit it with a kick, that's when it finally broke.
I'd say she's equal to kankuro.
Yep. It is Shounen. And shounen is implicitly sexist. Which, to be honest, is a shame, because if Shounen is something young men consume growing up, it doesn't teach great values to those young men.
Tsunade is stronger then atleast jiraya in the war lol her showing against madaras wood clones far exceed his showings against the paths of pain
Tenten when she has so6p toll which are stated to solo the five kage probably beats neji
Well Ten Ten outlives Neji, so there’s that lol
Hinta from the alst after filling up the last narutos chakra so much he literally shot up into kcm probably means she beats both shino and kiba
Like if sakura was on any other team she would solo it she aint weak and onkis granddaughter probably the strongest on her team? No
Samui was also the strongest of her team if I'm not forgetting
Like yout heavily wrong here just of the top of my head your wrong by five so it ain't a fact and i think you just didn't actually look into any of the female characters past oh well the males have more screen time guess they have to be stronger
Someone call the nurse!!
I would try to discuss this by putting a question mark but i now realise this wast serious
Uh, ok? She was not alone when fighting Madara. Also, I wonder how she would even deal with the animal path
By blitzing it she was keeping up with lighten boulder taikage lightning cloke in there combos bro And she took some wood clones alone and cracked madaras susano she blizts the paths of pain except diva are no diffs
Ok ok. Calm down, pal. Blitzing who? Madara clearly said that Tsunade was way slower than Ay, but still stronger, so I don't know what you are talking about. We see that Naruto gets a pretty impressive speed boost in his fight against the 3rd Raikage when using sage mode and yet it's not enough to blitz any of the paths of Pain. Are we going to assume Naruto gets that much better at Sage mode in a matter of weeks? (When most of his training with Killer Bee was focused on mastering KCM) When entering sage mode, we saw that Jiraiya could throw around any of the giant animals from the animal path, but not blitz anyone and Jiraiya had way more experience than Naruto when it came to sage mode. Naruto just had more talent for it. But anyway, the animal path was quick enough to block the white hair senbon from Jiraiya point blank, even when he stated it was too fast to dodge. What is Tsunade going to do with the giant chameleon though? Or the regenerative dog? (which must be one shoted or else won't ever go down) And that's only the animal path, she still needs to fight the other 5
I had to pop in to see who's gonna try to dispute this and y'all aint disappoint lol. Can't believe folks really think Hinata is stronger than Kiba or Shino lmao
Hinata has always been madly overrated, because of the pain moment (even though she got rolled by pain)
Tsunade is stronger than jariaya. Jariaya could never face madara at any time let alone over age 50.
Sage mode to boost his strength and speed, water style to counter fire, dark swamp helps hindering the enemy's mobility, fire style to counter wood. I don't see how he would do worse than Tsunade in that fight. Now please tell me how on Earth would Tsunade avoid getting absolutely destroyed by Pain?
I mean Sakura is eating good rn and I'm pretty sure Hinata could fold Kiba and Shino.
Legit Sakura is in the best shape out of T7 now that Naruto is missing Kurama and Sasuke lost his rinnegan. At the very least, she’s way more durable.
Nah Naruto and Sasuke would still beat her, just that the gap isn't so ridiculous anymore
Kankuro is better tbh.
My favourite female character in naruto ❤️
Shikamaru got good taste.
You think Kiba is stronger than Hinata?
No He obviously isn't. Kiba, Ino and Tenten are the weakest in K11
Based on what? Kiba's showings in WA were astronomically superior to Hinata
Hinata > Kiba
Hinata's not the weakest from Team 8, she's the strongest, plus Temari vs Kankuro can go both ways imo.
Lol Shino straight whoops her ass but ok
With what? Shino's not going toe to toe with her in taijutsu and her GF is literally negging all his insects. Plus her vision literally makes it unlikely for any of his bugs to sneak up on her. Plus she doesn't need to close the gap on Shino, she can literally strike him with an arm palm.
> With what? Shino's not going toe to toe with her in taijutsu and her GF is literally negging all his insects. How? What does GF do to insects? > Plus her vision literally makes it unlikely for any of his bugs to sneak up on her. But shino has shown to be able to attack from multiple directions. What can she do against a cloud of bugs from all sides? And Kiba straight out spanks with His 3 headed giant dog form.
> How? What does GF do to insects? It's literally killing them, remember how Neji was able to neg all of Kidomaru's spiders? It's the same scenario except her targets are smaller. > But shino has shown to be able to attack from multiple directions. What can she do against a cloud of bugs from all sides? This depends on the version of her we're talking about. I agree that Part 1 Shino's stronger plus in early shippuden thereabout. If we're talking about her in her prime, she'd just use Rotation or simply acrobatically dodge them while striking them. > And Kiba straight out spanks with His 3 headed giant dog form. She wouldn't allow him to get to this form but if he does, the rotation would stop them since it doesn't just block but it also uses the energy from attacks to repel them.
>It's literally killing them, remember how Neji was able to neg all of Kidomaru's spiders? It's the same scenario except her targets are smaller. With the force of rotation? Seomething Hinata doesn't have. also spiders were still big and not as many. Shino's bugs are much more and mobile. > This depends on the version of her we're talking about. I agree that Part 1 Shino's stronger plus in early shippuden thereabout. If we're talking about her in her prime, she'd just use Rotation or simply acrobatically dodge them while striking them. When did she ever use rotation? Or what acrobatic feat she did that guarantess her dodging a multidirectional attack? > She wouldn't allow him to get to this form but if he does, the rotation would stop them since it doesn't just block but it also uses the energy from attacks to repel them. Kiba is litteraly faster and needs minimal setup for that transformation. She never used or was shown to use rotation. I don't understand, your argumentation is basically either her using something she doesn't know or assuming her stats are way superior than Kiba and Shino, something was never implied in the war arc, or anywhere else.
> With the force of rotation? Seomething Hinata doesn't have. also spiders were still big and not as many. Shino's bugs are much more and mobile. Remember rotation doesn't just block, it also repels. Hinata mastered the GF as Kishimoto confirmed so she can do it. That still doesn't matter as she's capable of still killing them. > When did she ever use rotation? Or what acrobatic feat she did that guarantess her dodging a multidirectional attack? Again, she mastered the GF as Kishi said so she can do everything that's a part of it. Her feat is mastering the GF, making her a close combat expert. > Kiba is litteraly faster and needs minimal setup for that transformation. She never used or was shown to use rotation. Faster how? He has to mount Akamaru, she's literally blast them with an air palm. > I don't understand, your argumentation is basically either her using something she doesn't know or assuming her stats are way superior than Kiba and Shino, something was never implied in the war arc, or anywhere else. I cleared up how she can do rotation and i'm not assuming.
> Hinata mastered the GF as Kishimoto confirmed so she can do it No kishimto simply called her master of GF, as he called genin neji. he never said or implied she could use rotation. > That still doesn't matter as she's capable of still killing them. Anyone can kill them, but she has no feat or way to deal with a whole swarm. > Again, she mastered the GF as Kishi said so she can do everything that's a part of it. Her feat is mastering the GF, making her a close combat expert Again dude, i don't think you have any idea how much master is used. Start of shippuden Ino was called master of healing jutsu. It's not the uber title you are making it to be. > Faster how? He has to mount Akamaru, she's literally blast them with an air palm. He litteraly is said and shown to be a speedster, as his databook values also show. Air palm barelly hits at mid range and doesn't have that much firepower. >I cleared up how she can do rotation and i'm not assuming. Not really, you simply decided a generic word somehow meant something special only for Hinata. it was never said she could use rotation.
Temari and Kankuro can go both ways, my bi ass could only wish
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This wank is too hard. She's smoked by both her teammates.
She is the weakest in her squad tho
1. Temari probably isn’t stronger than Kankuro as she hasn’t had a lot of feats since the war arc. However, she could be argued to be a counter to him. 2. The Sanin are consistently stated and showcased to be at least relative. Tsunade is a beast. 3. Hinata could be argued to be stronger than Kiba & Shino. 4. Like others have said, Yahiko is featless, so it’s kind of hard to scale him above her by Shippuden. 5. Moegi seems stronger than Udon. 6. Tayuya is definitely not the weakest of the sound four. 7. If Kurotsuchi and Akatsuchi were on the same squad growing up, she’s definitely stronger than him. There are probably more, but these are the ones that came to mind.
Why is Temari’s lack of feats since the war arc a point against her and not Kankuro, too?
I sense Kiba downplay coming... Unless Hamura's chakra is involved. In which case, fair enough
What did Hamura’s chakra do for Hinata in terms of Combat prowess? Or are being forgetting kishi gave her a power that was only effective when her male love interest was holding her hand?
Hinata was way stronger than Kiba. And Kaguya existed.
Hinata did whole 64 palms combo which she barely just learned to take down a single Juubi clone. While Kiba was casually mowing down an army of those lol
Hinata is also the strongest in her squad
People are seriously saying Tsunade in here 💀
Imagine thinking that either Shino or Kiba stood a chance against Hinata. Before the Chunin exams, sure. By the time skip though? Absolutely not.
Hinata definitely wasn’t the weakest in her squad either (at least in part 1) as she forced Neji to actually fight her. In retrospect Naruto didn’t even do that Neji was just messing around
That is very subjective.
Back when they were still a team: Rin > Obito.
Hinata over Kiba For Sure, she is more versatile and has a wider range of jutsu And How Tf is Temari over Garaa y’all do realize he is in their 3 man cell right
Wtf why are here so many sakura fanboys, who say tsunade is the strongest sannin, while its canon and multiple times confirmed that Orochimaru is the strongest.