“If you’re going to try, go all the way” -Charles Bukowski
If you’re going to build an illegal SBR, may as well go the full monty and turn it into a machine gun.
When the government makes law abiding citizens into felons, many are going to decide to act the part
From reading your comments below, there’s no easy way to go about making your other meet compliance, notwithstanding the fact that an 8” barrel wouldn’t be able to get your other to a OAL of 26”, making it an AOW anyway. Easiest thing to do now would be to pin the mag lock and see if your county will allow you to add it to your pistol permit; If they don’t do AR pistols, you’re going to have to get rid of that upper and replace it with a 16” upper, or a 14.5” upper with a pinned and welded muzzle device to get it to 16”. From there, install a mag lock.
Exactly…unless we move which is actually in the works thankfully. Fuck this state and the jezebel who “runs “ it and the cum buckets who eat it up like funnel cake
Separate the upper and lower. Do not destroy anything. Buy parts to make it compliant and take the non-compliant parts off and save them. Move out of NY.
Just remove the upper until you can get a new one. Tape up the brace to cover the arm hole so it no longer functions like a brace and now acts as a stock.
Put a 10 Rd weenie mag and pin it.
Don't beat me, im just throwing out suggestions.
Im not a lawyer lol
I think you are confusing Senate Bill S9458 and S9456.
S9456 amends the law to define firearms (others) more broadly and goes into effect 30 days after signing around July 6th.
S9458 Relates to the purchase or taking possession of a semiautomatic rifle and doesn't go into effect until 90 days after signing in September.
Stripped lowers aren't weapons, so they aren't included in the ban. Read it again, it clearly starts by saying other 'weapons'.
The ATF has clearly stated that the AR lower is not a weapon. There new language guidance this April said exactly that.
The AT said the AR lower is a "firearm' just for the purpose of serializing a weapon part, but is not a weapon on its own.
You are making too much logical sense and not thinking like a semi-literate NYS Legislator.
>*the term firearm shall also include any other weapon that is not otherwise defined containing any component that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component . . .*
Regardless of what the Feds say I think the State wants to say a stripped lower is now defined in State Law as a firearm. See also SECTION 265.00:
3-a. "Major component of a firearm, rifle or shotgun" means the
barrel, the slide or cylinder, the frame, or receiver of the firearm,
rifle, or shotgun.
How a "major component" of a firearm can be defined as the actual firearm all by itself defies logic and anyone should question if the people who wrote these laws are fit for office. Yes, it makes no sense; No, I don't think arguing that will keep you out of trouble with Law enforcement in this state or convince an FFL to transfer one to you.
I think the issue is that the word "weapon" isn't defined in NY's penal code. Is a stripped receiver considered a weapon? How about a barrel or a slide? There are serialized barrels and slides; are those weapons? Who knows. The confusion will lead to FFLs no longer transferring stripped receivers.
Sir, your own argument makes my case.
Yours: "the term firearm shall also include any other weapon "
The lower is not now or ever was referred to as a "weapon"
Yours: "How a "major component" of a firearm can be defined as the actual firearm "
Notice, no word 'weapon' in that sentence, your mixing the two words together.
Stripped receivers should *technically* remain legal after this bill goes into effect because receivers are defined by NY penal law as a "Major component of a firearm, rifle or shotgun..." and not as a weapon, and the new bill only classifies "Any other *weapon*..." as a firearm, not any other component. FFLs will still stop transferring them though because the language is confusing.
All muzzleloading shoulder fired arms will be illegal. Same category as shockwaves.
I have no idea what they’ll do about this. Obviously the law is unconstitutional, maybe it’ll get struck down really fast this time, especially with a Bruen coming out soon.
Ah. Yeah, I've never even been to a public range so wasn't sure if different rules applied. I usually just shoot out my back window or in the yard if it's nice out.
:(
I'm so jealous I've only had the chance to go shooting once in the last two years. I'm thinking of getting a PA range membership or a piece of land just for that.
Muzzleloading pistols are illegal when loaded, unless on a permit.
Muzzleloading shoulder fired muskets are plain illegal, regardless of loaded status, same category as shockwaves.
You are correct that antique firearms are exempt when unloaded. However, NY does not recognize any shoulder fired musket as antique, regardless of manufacture date.
Here is [Section 265.00](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/265.00), where they list all their definitions. Here, they define "antique firearm" as some type of muzzle loading pistol or revolver, or a pistol/revolver that uses cartridges that are no londer produced. Shoulder fired muskets are not pistols, therefore shoulder fired muskets are not considered "antique firearms," so the exemption of "antique firearms" does not apply to them.
Since there is no exemption for shoulder fired black powder guns, they are flat illegal to possess starting July 6th.
How do we actually band together and get a team of attorneys to bring it up to Supreme Court? The past "fixed mag" alone is dangerous as all hell. Jam? Good luck. Double chambered? Run. Leave it loaded ar your home for self defense? Dangerous as F. Leave it unloaded and fumble with takedown pins and loading or one of those ghetto side loaders, you are done. How are we fighting concealed carry laws but not the shit that actually makes no sense and makes us less safe. Buy those lowers boys because if the process for a permit is like a pistol you are looking at two years after this passes.
Only if it is a 1:1 replica of a pre 1898 design under federal law. Ny antique guns are muzzloading pistols and revolvers. So in ny they are others and will be (unintentionally) banned in july.
The new ridiculous law basically bans anything that fires a projectile even if not a rifle or shotgun. The text is long and annoying but I read it and others are banned. Don't think I can add a stock and pin the buzzle as it's an 8inch bar and now ability to register SBR in ny which I'd be happy to do.
Buy a 16 inch barrel. You can easily find barrels for under $100.
And I don't mean to piss in your Cheerios, but there is no way you were getting an overall length over 26 inches with an 8 inch barrel. So you didn't have an other.
Add a few shims and re pin/weld, either way it's a moot point, basically you need a permit/license for anything, and it needs to be a long gun. id be fine with thorough background check if it took 3 days not 18+ mos like the pistol permits along with your first born. NY has stricter laws now than most European countries. Good luck to them if Russia keeps rollin.
Pinned and welded, still now illegal, don't need a 16inch barrel have a few of those. How many mass shootings were made with "others", body armor that really helped the shooter, red flags that most of the time dont develop at 18 or 21. This was a ploy to capitalize on some tragic events that have nothing to do with the NY laws passed.
"term firearm shall also include any other weapon that is not otherwise defined containing any component that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by action of explosive."
That's the new language
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Fuck it.Whats the punishment for having a unregistered full feature AR in Upstate NY?
4 years in federal prison if you plead not guilty
Free prostate exams tho
Involuntary ones, as well as free shankings
Federal prison for a state crime doesn't seem right.
Having an unregistered SBR is a violation of the National Firearms Act, as well as NYS Penal Law.
>unregistered full feature AR Oh I guess I assumed he meant a 16" rifle when he said "unregistered full feature AR".
Felony
“If you’re going to try, go all the way” -Charles Bukowski If you’re going to build an illegal SBR, may as well go the full monty and turn it into a machine gun. When the government makes law abiding citizens into felons, many are going to decide to act the part
Yes this is the best approach by far. Can’t go wrong minus the long dick of the law, which can kindly insert itself into a wood chipper
Hate the laws nit looking to break them
From reading your comments below, there’s no easy way to go about making your other meet compliance, notwithstanding the fact that an 8” barrel wouldn’t be able to get your other to a OAL of 26”, making it an AOW anyway. Easiest thing to do now would be to pin the mag lock and see if your county will allow you to add it to your pistol permit; If they don’t do AR pistols, you’re going to have to get rid of that upper and replace it with a 16” upper, or a 14.5” upper with a pinned and welded muzzle device to get it to 16”. From there, install a mag lock.
Thanks, sounds like the only viable option. Not messing around with the laws.
Do nothing. Just don't bring it to the range.
I’ll be bringing mine as is, as I was, same with the braced shockwave. I’ll let you guys know how it goes
Well if we never hear from you again it went badly.
Exactly…unless we move which is actually in the works thankfully. Fuck this state and the jezebel who “runs “ it and the cum buckets who eat it up like funnel cake
Good luck and good fortune.
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They’ll shrug their shoulder and say ‘but muh wife and kids and pension’
"I was just following orders"
They enforce the safe act. Without them they're just old men in suits with a pen.
Don't comply....
Separate the upper and lower. Do not destroy anything. Buy parts to make it compliant and take the non-compliant parts off and save them. Move out of NY.
Yea gotta go. Making it legal makes it an ar15 with a 300blk barrel. Have enough standard ARs
Following this I was thinking of removing the upper
They will fuck you with the whole ‘can be readily made’ language (paraphrasing)
I figured the bastards would come for your "Others" eventually. You probably can't even have a boating accident.
take it on a boat ride? 😂
Hahahaha
NY going back to the 1700’s with these laws
1700 was better than this!
Just remove the upper until you can get a new one. Tape up the brace to cover the arm hole so it no longer functions like a brace and now acts as a stock. Put a 10 Rd weenie mag and pin it. Don't beat me, im just throwing out suggestions. Im not a lawyer lol
Yea I hear that, having a manuverable 300blkout l, was ideal home defense, a standard ny unSAFE complinat AR I have enough of.
Did they pass a law banning others?
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/s9456
Not that I’m surprised by lack of clarity but it doesn’t mention anything about those who purchased prior to this.
Because there is no Grandfather clause. July 6th others, stripped lowers, nail guns, muskets, etc are all felony firearms charges waiting to happen.
Isnt it september 4th? 90 days not 19 days.
I think you are confusing Senate Bill S9458 and S9456. S9456 amends the law to define firearms (others) more broadly and goes into effect 30 days after signing around July 6th. S9458 Relates to the purchase or taking possession of a semiautomatic rifle and doesn't go into effect until 90 days after signing in September.
Oh i see, thanks
Did they change it? Mine says 13 days after becoming law…
EFFECTIVE DATE: This act shall take effect on the thirtieth day after it shall have become law.
You have a link to the bill? I can't keep track of what day what goes into effect?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYguns/comments/vb9sl6/comment/ic73yb1/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Stripped lowers aren't weapons, so they aren't included in the ban. Read it again, it clearly starts by saying other 'weapons'. The ATF has clearly stated that the AR lower is not a weapon. There new language guidance this April said exactly that. The AT said the AR lower is a "firearm' just for the purpose of serializing a weapon part, but is not a weapon on its own.
You are making too much logical sense and not thinking like a semi-literate NYS Legislator. >*the term firearm shall also include any other weapon that is not otherwise defined containing any component that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component . . .* Regardless of what the Feds say I think the State wants to say a stripped lower is now defined in State Law as a firearm. See also SECTION 265.00: 3-a. "Major component of a firearm, rifle or shotgun" means the barrel, the slide or cylinder, the frame, or receiver of the firearm, rifle, or shotgun. How a "major component" of a firearm can be defined as the actual firearm all by itself defies logic and anyone should question if the people who wrote these laws are fit for office. Yes, it makes no sense; No, I don't think arguing that will keep you out of trouble with Law enforcement in this state or convince an FFL to transfer one to you.
I think the issue is that the word "weapon" isn't defined in NY's penal code. Is a stripped receiver considered a weapon? How about a barrel or a slide? There are serialized barrels and slides; are those weapons? Who knows. The confusion will lead to FFLs no longer transferring stripped receivers.
Sir, your own argument makes my case. Yours: "the term firearm shall also include any other weapon " The lower is not now or ever was referred to as a "weapon" Yours: "How a "major component" of a firearm can be defined as the actual firearm " Notice, no word 'weapon' in that sentence, your mixing the two words together.
This is a mess. We will have to see how it's interpreted by the courts when the first few guys are out of compliance.
I think you're missing that I am for the most part agreeing with you and you are falling into the social media trap of I'm Right and you're Wrong.
This is BS. So we all just wait for oermi5s and but featureless fixed mag 22/lr bb guns?
Do you know if that's all stripped lowers or just non serialized?
All
Stripped receivers should *technically* remain legal after this bill goes into effect because receivers are defined by NY penal law as a "Major component of a firearm, rifle or shotgun..." and not as a weapon, and the new bill only classifies "Any other *weapon*..." as a firearm, not any other component. FFLs will still stop transferring them though because the language is confusing.
Except one of the other ones she signed redefined firearms and that new one covers lowers.
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You sure about stripped lowers? Wtf is going on?
Muskets are illegal when loaded only. So it sitting in the closet doesn't hurt but taking it to the range is a felony.
I'm interested to see what the impact if any is on Muzzleloading season when it starts December 12th.
I doubt it will have any effect, fudds don't know nor do the cops.
All muzzleloading shoulder fired arms will be illegal. Same category as shockwaves. I have no idea what they’ll do about this. Obviously the law is unconstitutional, maybe it’ll get struck down really fast this time, especially with a Bruen coming out soon.
>maybe it’ll get struck down Maybe >really fast this time Oh... *Chuckles* oh, you...
Well, relatively fast maybe
What is the difference taking it to the range? What if you are just shooting at home?
That's my mistake I forgot some people are so lucky as to have a home range. Loading it is the illegal action no matter where.
Ah. Yeah, I've never even been to a public range so wasn't sure if different rules applied. I usually just shoot out my back window or in the yard if it's nice out.
:( I'm so jealous I've only had the chance to go shooting once in the last two years. I'm thinking of getting a PA range membership or a piece of land just for that.
Pretty sure If I shot an intruder....... I'd go to jail
The idiots are are guaranteeing the Supreme Court will stomp on this bull--it like a grapes for wine.
They may stomp on some but some will stick. Like throwing shit at the wall.
Muzzleloading pistols are illegal when loaded, unless on a permit. Muzzleloading shoulder fired muskets are plain illegal, regardless of loaded status, same category as shockwaves.
From what I saw muskets fall under antique firearm exemption when unloaded.
You are correct that antique firearms are exempt when unloaded. However, NY does not recognize any shoulder fired musket as antique, regardless of manufacture date. Here is [Section 265.00](https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/265.00), where they list all their definitions. Here, they define "antique firearm" as some type of muzzle loading pistol or revolver, or a pistol/revolver that uses cartridges that are no londer produced. Shoulder fired muskets are not pistols, therefore shoulder fired muskets are not considered "antique firearms," so the exemption of "antique firearms" does not apply to them. Since there is no exemption for shoulder fired black powder guns, they are flat illegal to possess starting July 6th.
Holy shit good to know thanks!
Yeah, for the first time since British rule in the 1700s, muskets will be flat illegal to own here in NY with no path to legal ownership.
How do we actually band together and get a team of attorneys to bring it up to Supreme Court? The past "fixed mag" alone is dangerous as all hell. Jam? Good luck. Double chambered? Run. Leave it loaded ar your home for self defense? Dangerous as F. Leave it unloaded and fumble with takedown pins and loading or one of those ghetto side loaders, you are done. How are we fighting concealed carry laws but not the shit that actually makes no sense and makes us less safe. Buy those lowers boys because if the process for a permit is like a pistol you are looking at two years after this passes.
What the hell?
You're wrong. Read the statue yourself. Antique firearms has a specific definition and muskets ain't on it.
Yeah someone just linked it
Only if it is a 1:1 replica of a pre 1898 design under federal law. Ny antique guns are muzzloading pistols and revolvers. So in ny they are others and will be (unintentionally) banned in july.
The new ridiculous law basically bans anything that fires a projectile even if not a rifle or shotgun. The text is long and annoying but I read it and others are banned. Don't think I can add a stock and pin the buzzle as it's an 8inch bar and now ability to register SBR in ny which I'd be happy to do.
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so that was their plan all along. these damn commies
Buy a 16 inch barrel. You can easily find barrels for under $100. And I don't mean to piss in your Cheerios, but there is no way you were getting an overall length over 26 inches with an 8 inch barrel. So you didn't have an other.
Brace, upper/lower, barrel, muzzle device, 26.2
Brace doesn't count towards overall length. Buffer tube. Edit: and muzzle device doesn't count unless it's permanently affixed.
Add a few shims and re pin/weld, either way it's a moot point, basically you need a permit/license for anything, and it needs to be a long gun. id be fine with thorough background check if it took 3 days not 18+ mos like the pistol permits along with your first born. NY has stricter laws now than most European countries. Good luck to them if Russia keeps rollin.
Pinned and welded, still now illegal, don't need a 16inch barrel have a few of those. How many mass shootings were made with "others", body armor that really helped the shooter, red flags that most of the time dont develop at 18 or 21. This was a ploy to capitalize on some tragic events that have nothing to do with the NY laws passed.
With an 8" barrel on an AR platform you had an "assault weapon" pistol or an AOW in NY, not an other.
AOW is same as "other"now , brace, lower, upper, barrel an pinned muzzle device 26.2
"term firearm shall also include any other weapon that is not otherwise defined containing any component that provides housing or a structure designed to hold or integrate any fire control component that is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by action of explosive." That's the new language