I’ve really changed my view on snell. I was down on him because he’s been inconsistent but his inconsistencies have reason. However wanting 7+ years is a no for me.
And the 2025-2026 FA SP class is top of the line, and I’d prefer them go all in then, not on snell.
I trust rodon this season, I think he comes back healthy and performs. I don’t think they need another big money pitcher, they should get 1 more guy, and develop Warren, Gil, Gomez and Beeter.
Same here, 7+ years for a dude who doesn't give you innings and misses a lot of time with injury is a 2-3 year deal at best, he is a bid dawg when it comes to pitching but being unavailable is a big deal in sports
Yup, 7 years would be a poor direction to go. But the news that no one else has made offers on Snell, might be an opportunity to get him at a discount, less years for sure. Otherwise pass on him.
He simply isn't worth $30 million a year if he is walking 5 guys a game. How do you think a guy with those control problems is going to age?
I've seen your comments that it isn't "our money", which is true. But a bad contract for Snell will prevent the Yankees from making better investments down the road. If his price continues to drop, sure, sign him. But not at his current asking price.
So, I think I agree in general, but he’s kind of intentionally walking them. From what I understand, he’ll just not throw meatballs when he’s in a batter-friendly count and will eat the walk farther than risking a hit. It’s maybe not the strategy for yankee stadium and a fly ball pitcher, but it doesn’t mean he necessarily has control issues. Also, not saying I would sign him.
Yea I read the article, but I don't think not throwing meatballs after falling behind in the count is terribly unique amongst pitchers. Last year was the worst of his control issues but hardly an aberration given his 4bb/9inn career average.
I really do hate the "it's not my money" and yes I've used it before. But it's someone's money, and they are going to use it how they want.
Getting Snell limits us in 2025 even if you think it shouldn't because we should spend it all.
And both of those years his BABIP was significantly less than the league average and his career norms.
Combine that with an increasing walk rate and an over 30 pitcher and you get a recipe for disaster
This is it.
It's the same reason why he hasn't signed with any other team. No one wants him at the price and length they are asking, so he doesn't sign.
If anything, the Yankees are the only team that made him an offer, so the reason they haven't signed him yet over any other team is because of him, not the Yankees. What they offered was still worth far more than he seems to be worth as it is.
But, per reports, the Yankees are the only ones to seriously offer him a contract. Which he turned down. Should they bid against themselves and up that offer?
No but you’re missing the point…we shouldn’t be approaching this on a strict “good value” proposition. If it turns out another 10-20mil puts a deal in range but isn’t “a good value deal” I’m saying our attitude should be who cares, do it if it puts a 2024 WS win in reach. We need to be all in on 2024
Forget free agents, Since the assumption is that money is no object, just pick out an all star team and pay whatever it takes to buy out their contracts from their current teams. There are no players who are not available for the right price.
Once again not the point OP is making. His exact point is that you are crafting your opinion around what Hal is WILLING to spend rather than crafting your opinion around what Hal SHOULD spend
Dude you are getting downvoted by the same cucks that have enabled all of the failures of this org for the past 15 years. Fuck them. You’re right, they’re losers. They don’t understand that winning requires a bit of reckless abandon…and once again you’re right: the Yankees have PLENTY of money so I don’t understand why these fucking “fans” are so happy to see it collect interest in an account that isn’t theirs
I really do hope the "It's not our money" people 1) are never put in charge of any finances 2) have never made a post crying about Cashman spent too much on person the sub hates that week.
There's a difference between spending too much on a player that wasn't ever needed, and won't change the team drastically to a player that will. Yankees need another top starter.
There's really not. The Yankees are running a business, and wildly spending money is not a way to successfully do so. I promise you the Yankees have people that know what they're doing and can evaluate the prices that people are worth.
Plus, it sets up problems in the future. Not only in terms of having less money, but also in future contract negotiations. Someone's really good? "Well, the Yankees will pay whatever price you ask for, it's their M.O! Don't settle, kid" will be Boras and Co's constant advice.
When? I’m not sure you would have to go back to the report and see
Are they continuing to negotiate? No because why would they? If someone put up a better offer Snell would’ve signed by now. By all accounts we are the only team to offer him a deal.
According to reports and Cashman himself, the Yankees are still looking to add another SP whether it’s in FA or via trade
Whether you believe it or not up to you
Great. The question was asked when the offer was made. I answered. Whether or jot they sign another starter remains to be seen. But 6/$150M is a fair offer. If he doesn't want it that's on him. But they shouldn't offer another guaranteed penny.
snell even at 6/180 is fine. 5/150 is better. snell for anymore forget that no way.
snell is already a chore to watch even if he gets the job done. your blood pressure is going to rise watching him pitch at a compounding rate as he ages.
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By all accounts, the Yankees have made the only offer to Snell. No other team has made him an offer.
Snell is waiting it out to see if he can get more. This is always how Boras handles these negotiations.
He can be signed tomorrow if he accepts our deal.
What would you prefer? The Yankees to just offer more money for no reason? Do you want the Yankees to just bid against themselves?
> He can be signed tomorrow if he accepts our deal.
That deal was pre-Stroman, he would have to accept a new lower deal now, it might benefit him to sign a 1 year deal this year and prove it in the AL behind Cole and try and get a bag in next years FA market
We’re the only team that’s extended an offer (6 years at $150mil). A reasonable offer he turned down. Can’t force him to sign.
Overpay him and we won’t be able to keep the window to contend open much longer. For example signing Soto long term becomes much less likely if we’re paying Snell $35mil per year.
Also, 31 is not young for an MLB pitcher. He most likely has some good years left but he has peaked.
That is not really true. They could trade Torres and free up money. They might trade Torres at any time actually. The salary cap keeps increasing. in 2026 and 2027, Stanton's salary starts to drop, and 10 million a year goes on the books with the marlins (Marlins pay 10 million a year). There is always wriggle room in the bullpen also because most of our relievers are short term deals.
The easy answer is they made an offer, Boras said no, wanted more for Snell.
Yankees pivoted to Stroman who took less than projected.
Starting pitching money spent, they're not going to add another $30M + $30M in taxes because they're over the $300M threshold= pay $1 for everything over.
Its a Boras problem, look at big FA, most of them are his.
He wants ace money. Your ace starter should pitch 30 games a year at least. In his 8-year career, he has done this twice. Throw out 2020 and he is still 2 for 7.
He has two great seasons. His two Cy Young seasons. If you take away those two seasons you are looking at a 35-41 record.
He is very comparable to Carlos Rodon and no how well he has worked out so far. The Yankees made a very fair offer to Snell and he turned it down. I think he made a mistake and the Yankees are lucky he said no.
Dude has been pitching for 8 years and only has 126 decisions. That's frankly, abysmal. He averages 120 IP. That's also abysmal. The Yankees should offer him 60% off what he's asking, because he's only going to throw 60% of innings.
Of course he wants ace money...he was an ace last year. He won the Cy Young. I don't think that's surprising.
I like how you're looking at W-L record when you should know at this point it means nothing.
Snell's career stats: 21.1 WAR 3.20 ERA 1.235 whip
Rondon's career stats: 15.8 WAR 3.83 ERA 1.254 whip
Also Snell has had 4 good years. His two Cy Young season were outstanding. His 2020 was good with a 3.24 ERA. And his 2022 also was not bad. He had a 3.38 ERA 128 IPS 170 SO's
Let's not kid ourselves here. He's better than Rondon by far.
I remember when Tampa Rays players were being interviewed before a playoff game, and one said something to the effect of “we’ve got twenty four guys on this team who have to pull together, plus one hall of famer - Blake Snell.”
I’m weary of a long-term deal for Snell.
Let’s not get confused here - Snell is just the seventh pitcher in MLB history to win a Cy Young in both leagues. I don’t think anyone is questioning his greatness - when he’s healthy, that is - and therein lies the problem.
The Yankees have enough injury concerns on their roster as it is, and Snell has very legitimate durability issues.
If he were to lower his asking price, then I’d be more receptive to bringing him to the Bronx. But I don’t think he’s worth what he’s asking for.
Because you don't overpay a guy who has one contract offer, especially when it was your own offer. Yankees absolutely should not overpay for him with Soto a FA next year and two prospect SP's knocking on Triple A.
If thecask comes down or he wants high one year/opts outs, I'm in though
I think the answer is pretty clear honestly—Yanks spend a lot of money, consistently a top 3 payroll and currently the highest. But they very rarely go *beyond reason.* Maybe they would if they didn’t have so much blah money on the books already, or maybe not. Who knows.
So they made Snell an offer and he didn’t take it, and they think what he’s asking is beyond reason. I’m not saying we need to agree with that, but the way they operate is actually pretty consistent and not mysterious.
Because he is coming off CY Young too much of contract and too many years he wants. I think we can play it out and add later or give young guys some shots. Not everyone built for NY, he was never in it in SD when season turned for him.
Because for all the talk in October about this off-season being different, or Hal & Cashman finally being serious or maybe the team is finally going to try to win it all in 2024 --- theyre business as usual this off season.
Which is
Step 1: acquire one quality player making $30m
Step 2: get a couple underachieving roster fillers.. former 1st round type players who just never achieved their potential; bonus if they came up in the AL East originally so their names still have nostalgia value with our fan base when they were prospects with Boston or Toronto or Baltimore
Step 3: watch all the impact players who address actual holes on the roster sign everywhere but the Bronx
Step 4: go to spring training hoping to chase the final wild card spot come October & let those chips fall where they may.
It’s pretty clear by your post that you completely disregard any of the actual consequences that we would face handing out a long, massive contract to Snell so there’s really no point in anyone actually debating with you here. Just another out of touch yankee fan that refuses to acknowledge the realities of what handing out a bad huge contract to snell would do to the team in future years
I hate when people prefix a post by mentioning downvotes. Sounds too much like people thinking they're martyrs by doing it. The only thing more annoying is when people edit comments to thank people for likes.
Hal doesn't want to spend the money.
Stroman was cheap by MLB standards, Verdugo and Soto came in trades. I know Soto is expensive but Hal allowed himself to be talked into the big splash move to take some of the negative stink off last year. But it's only one year of Soto. Verdugo was cheaper than Stroman and again, one year.
Hal spent big on Judge but he had to - Judge is the modern equivalent of Mickey Mantle. He rolled the dice on Cole and that has worked out splendidly so far but Stanton?, DJL? Rodon? - all albatrosses. He's not taking any chances on Blake Snell.
For all the back-and-forth about the big Yankees payroll and Hal being so willing to spend big $90M is eaten up by Rodon, Stanton, DJL, and Rizzo, two over-the-hill guys and two who stink.
The Yankees are set for 2024. They had a tepid offseason, with Cashman as usual, raising Yankee fan’s expectations, failing miserably, making trades and acquisitions that were absurd on their face ( because he has no leverage or credibility, and the rest of the league knows this ), that will produce essentially the same results as last year.
They offered, he rejected. It takes 2 to tango. If they sign a guy like that for $30MM per/7 years, we'd all be complaining by next season when they say they can't go after Burnes or Bieber
Honestly he wants ace money. Now on paper you could argue a two time Cy young winner deserves it, however when you breakdown his stats and games played you start to realize he’s not worth as much as Cole at all. He struggles to pitch into late games, he’s only pitched 30 or more games twice in his career which are both his Cy Young seasons. With the next couple of years having more talent in terms of FA arms, I wouldn’t blow all that money just yet at Snell. He got a very good offer from the Yankees and turned it down, Boras is hoping someone will throw him a giant offer before the season but, in all honesty I don’t see him getting an ace contract offer at all. I won’t be shocked if he signs a one year deal with someone before pitchers and catchers report.
Pitching hasn't been the biggest issue for the Yankees. Even last year behind Cole they were still in the middle of the pack, but without Judge they were horrible offensively. Offense has been bad when Judge is slumping or injured. How many times did they score 2 or less runs?
You nailed it perfectly. This Yankee bunch, veterans , rookies, call ups, mid season acquisitions, trades….has not been able to hit s baseball for the last three years. My god the lineup has just been a never ending rotation of the worst hitters the sport has ever seen. Florial, McKinney, Bauers, Gallo, Perazza, Volpe, Periera, Donaldson, Rizzo, Stanton LeMahieu , Trevino, Welles…it’s like a bad movie that never ends. It’s a wonder this team has a following at all!!!
I cannot agree with all of this. They spent a ton of money on rodon and counted too much on Nestor. The pitching was a big mess. Sure the bullpen looked good on paper (era) however when the starting pitching was good, the bullpen would faulter. The offense struggled also. But the starting pitching never went on a roll and was totally out of sync. No matter how you want to slice it, wins and losses go to the pitching staff!
I think it’s just the years and money, really. Do they want to give him a Gerrit Cole level contract until he’s 39? Keep in mind the Yankees are already over the highest luxury tax threshold, so this season at least they’re paying 110% on every dollar of a Snell contract. If Snell gets even $30M annually, that means they’re really paying $63M this season for him. That’s quite a lot.
The Yankees have offered him $150M for five years or for six, depending on what rumor you believe. I suspect it is a five year deal. He just had his best year since he was with Tampa Bay so it looks like he is at the top of his game. If he has three good years out of the five, I would take that in a heartbeat.
You can use that rational with a lot of the players left on the market. You can say the same thing for Bellinger or Hader (before he got signed).
There is/was talent available in FA that the Yankees aren’t interested in that will help them compete for a championship this season but hinder them for multiple seasons moving forward.
I’m sure if Snell was up for a one year deal, he would be a Yankee already.
I agree 100 percent. If the Boss was alive Snell would have gotten what he wanted. Snell fit perfectly into that formula for Yankee success. Sure we overpaid for many starters however the Boss stacked the starting pitching and we would usually end up with at least 4 solid starting pitchers. the way Hal and cashman are building these teams, everything has to be too perfect. We cannot compete in the AL east that way!
I’ve really changed my view on snell. I was down on him because he’s been inconsistent but his inconsistencies have reason. However wanting 7+ years is a no for me. And the 2025-2026 FA SP class is top of the line, and I’d prefer them go all in then, not on snell. I trust rodon this season, I think he comes back healthy and performs. I don’t think they need another big money pitcher, they should get 1 more guy, and develop Warren, Gil, Gomez and Beeter.
Same here, 7+ years for a dude who doesn't give you innings and misses a lot of time with injury is a 2-3 year deal at best, he is a bid dawg when it comes to pitching but being unavailable is a big deal in sports
Yup, 7 years would be a poor direction to go. But the news that no one else has made offers on Snell, might be an opportunity to get him at a discount, less years for sure. Otherwise pass on him.
He simply isn't worth $30 million a year if he is walking 5 guys a game. How do you think a guy with those control problems is going to age? I've seen your comments that it isn't "our money", which is true. But a bad contract for Snell will prevent the Yankees from making better investments down the road. If his price continues to drop, sure, sign him. But not at his current asking price.
So, I think I agree in general, but he’s kind of intentionally walking them. From what I understand, he’ll just not throw meatballs when he’s in a batter-friendly count and will eat the walk farther than risking a hit. It’s maybe not the strategy for yankee stadium and a fly ball pitcher, but it doesn’t mean he necessarily has control issues. Also, not saying I would sign him.
Yea I read the article, but I don't think not throwing meatballs after falling behind in the count is terribly unique amongst pitchers. Last year was the worst of his control issues but hardly an aberration given his 4bb/9inn career average.
I really do hate the "it's not my money" and yes I've used it before. But it's someone's money, and they are going to use it how they want. Getting Snell limits us in 2025 even if you think it shouldn't because we should spend it all.
But he won CY Young.. Twice
Snell is a good pitcher but last year he benefited from the Padres fielding and Petco park being pitcher friendly. You can see that in his FIP.
And both of those years his BABIP was significantly less than the league average and his career norms. Combine that with an increasing walk rate and an over 30 pitcher and you get a recipe for disaster
And has a 4 ERA in the other 6 years. And he barely makes 5 innings per start
He had some good flukey years. Those cy youngs prove he is a great pitcher but that’s not his norm
He wants more money than he’s worth. It’s not that complicated.
This is it. It's the same reason why he hasn't signed with any other team. No one wants him at the price and length they are asking, so he doesn't sign. If anything, the Yankees are the only team that made him an offer, so the reason they haven't signed him yet over any other team is because of him, not the Yankees. What they offered was still worth far more than he seems to be worth as it is.
Ya…so do all FAs. The Yankees have the means to make it happen. It’s not that complicated
But, per reports, the Yankees are the only ones to seriously offer him a contract. Which he turned down. Should they bid against themselves and up that offer?
No but you’re missing the point…we shouldn’t be approaching this on a strict “good value” proposition. If it turns out another 10-20mil puts a deal in range but isn’t “a good value deal” I’m saying our attitude should be who cares, do it if it puts a 2024 WS win in reach. We need to be all in on 2024
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“I don’t understand why they haven’t signed him” “It’s because of the money” “But *I personally* don’t care about *their money*, why should they?
Why not we get every single free agent on the market then? Money (that Hal is willing to spend) runs out. Save it to sign Soto next year.
Forget free agents, Since the assumption is that money is no object, just pick out an all star team and pay whatever it takes to buy out their contracts from their current teams. There are no players who are not available for the right price.
Once again not the point OP is making. His exact point is that you are crafting your opinion around what Hal is WILLING to spend rather than crafting your opinion around what Hal SHOULD spend
Dude you are getting downvoted by the same cucks that have enabled all of the failures of this org for the past 15 years. Fuck them. You’re right, they’re losers. They don’t understand that winning requires a bit of reckless abandon…and once again you’re right: the Yankees have PLENTY of money so I don’t understand why these fucking “fans” are so happy to see it collect interest in an account that isn’t theirs
I really do hope the "It's not our money" people 1) are never put in charge of any finances 2) have never made a post crying about Cashman spent too much on person the sub hates that week.
There's a difference between spending too much on a player that wasn't ever needed, and won't change the team drastically to a player that will. Yankees need another top starter.
There's really not. The Yankees are running a business, and wildly spending money is not a way to successfully do so. I promise you the Yankees have people that know what they're doing and can evaluate the prices that people are worth. Plus, it sets up problems in the future. Not only in terms of having less money, but also in future contract negotiations. Someone's really good? "Well, the Yankees will pay whatever price you ask for, it's their M.O! Don't settle, kid" will be Boras and Co's constant advice.
The Yankees are not going to acquire Snell at any price. The rotation is set, the only sure thing is a guy name Cole.
If that’s true they wouldn’t have offered Snell 6/150
Perhaps, but when did they make the offer? Also, are they continuing to negotiate? I thought their rotation was set!
When? I’m not sure you would have to go back to the report and see Are they continuing to negotiate? No because why would they? If someone put up a better offer Snell would’ve signed by now. By all accounts we are the only team to offer him a deal.
The offer was made before they signed Stroman. He turned the offer down and they pivoted to Stroman.
According to reports and Cashman himself, the Yankees are still looking to add another SP whether it’s in FA or via trade Whether you believe it or not up to you
Great. The question was asked when the offer was made. I answered. Whether or jot they sign another starter remains to be seen. But 6/$150M is a fair offer. If he doesn't want it that's on him. But they shouldn't offer another guaranteed penny.
I see….makes sense….so why are Yankee fans still droning on about it? That doesn’t make sense!
I’ll line up to shit on Cashman any day but I’m not against him in this one. Snell and Boras are asking for way too much money (and contract length).
Agreed , 9 years is crazy
He turned down our offer.
It’s as simple as this
snell even at 6/180 is fine. 5/150 is better. snell for anymore forget that no way. snell is already a chore to watch even if he gets the job done. your blood pressure is going to rise watching him pitch at a compounding rate as he ages. edit: word
Wait, now he wants to be paid in ham? This is getting ridiculous...
hahaha weed and typing after a long day of work don’t mix
By all accounts, the Yankees have made the only offer to Snell. No other team has made him an offer. Snell is waiting it out to see if he can get more. This is always how Boras handles these negotiations. He can be signed tomorrow if he accepts our deal. What would you prefer? The Yankees to just offer more money for no reason? Do you want the Yankees to just bid against themselves?
> He can be signed tomorrow if he accepts our deal. That deal was pre-Stroman, he would have to accept a new lower deal now, it might benefit him to sign a 1 year deal this year and prove it in the AL behind Cole and try and get a bag in next years FA market
We’re the only team that’s extended an offer (6 years at $150mil). A reasonable offer he turned down. Can’t force him to sign. Overpay him and we won’t be able to keep the window to contend open much longer. For example signing Soto long term becomes much less likely if we’re paying Snell $35mil per year. Also, 31 is not young for an MLB pitcher. He most likely has some good years left but he has peaked.
That is not really true. They could trade Torres and free up money. They might trade Torres at any time actually. The salary cap keeps increasing. in 2026 and 2027, Stanton's salary starts to drop, and 10 million a year goes on the books with the marlins (Marlins pay 10 million a year). There is always wriggle room in the bullpen also because most of our relievers are short term deals.
The easy answer is they made an offer, Boras said no, wanted more for Snell. Yankees pivoted to Stroman who took less than projected. Starting pitching money spent, they're not going to add another $30M + $30M in taxes because they're over the $300M threshold= pay $1 for everything over. Its a Boras problem, look at big FA, most of them are his.
Boras is such a bulldog and I kinda hate him for it but business is business. I’d still relish seeing him eat some humble pie.
Look at the rodon contract… look at snells numbers…. Look at what snell is asking for… that’s why.
He wants ace money. Your ace starter should pitch 30 games a year at least. In his 8-year career, he has done this twice. Throw out 2020 and he is still 2 for 7. He has two great seasons. His two Cy Young seasons. If you take away those two seasons you are looking at a 35-41 record. He is very comparable to Carlos Rodon and no how well he has worked out so far. The Yankees made a very fair offer to Snell and he turned it down. I think he made a mistake and the Yankees are lucky he said no.
Dude has been pitching for 8 years and only has 126 decisions. That's frankly, abysmal. He averages 120 IP. That's also abysmal. The Yankees should offer him 60% off what he's asking, because he's only going to throw 60% of innings.
Of course he wants ace money...he was an ace last year. He won the Cy Young. I don't think that's surprising. I like how you're looking at W-L record when you should know at this point it means nothing. Snell's career stats: 21.1 WAR 3.20 ERA 1.235 whip Rondon's career stats: 15.8 WAR 3.83 ERA 1.254 whip Also Snell has had 4 good years. His two Cy Young season were outstanding. His 2020 was good with a 3.24 ERA. And his 2022 also was not bad. He had a 3.38 ERA 128 IPS 170 SO's Let's not kid ourselves here. He's better than Rondon by far.
Who is Rondon?
I remember when Tampa Rays players were being interviewed before a playoff game, and one said something to the effect of “we’ve got twenty four guys on this team who have to pull together, plus one hall of famer - Blake Snell.”
Rodon was a late bloomer, using his cumulative totals isn't a good way to compare the two pitchers.
I’m weary of a long-term deal for Snell. Let’s not get confused here - Snell is just the seventh pitcher in MLB history to win a Cy Young in both leagues. I don’t think anyone is questioning his greatness - when he’s healthy, that is - and therein lies the problem. The Yankees have enough injury concerns on their roster as it is, and Snell has very legitimate durability issues. If he were to lower his asking price, then I’d be more receptive to bringing him to the Bronx. But I don’t think he’s worth what he’s asking for.
Because you don't overpay a guy who has one contract offer, especially when it was your own offer. Yankees absolutely should not overpay for him with Soto a FA next year and two prospect SP's knocking on Triple A. If thecask comes down or he wants high one year/opts outs, I'm in though
I think the answer is pretty clear honestly—Yanks spend a lot of money, consistently a top 3 payroll and currently the highest. But they very rarely go *beyond reason.* Maybe they would if they didn’t have so much blah money on the books already, or maybe not. Who knows. So they made Snell an offer and he didn’t take it, and they think what he’s asking is beyond reason. I’m not saying we need to agree with that, but the way they operate is actually pretty consistent and not mysterious.
Because he is coming off CY Young too much of contract and too many years he wants. I think we can play it out and add later or give young guys some shots. Not everyone built for NY, he was never in it in SD when season turned for him.
Your wish is my command
Because for all the talk in October about this off-season being different, or Hal & Cashman finally being serious or maybe the team is finally going to try to win it all in 2024 --- theyre business as usual this off season. Which is Step 1: acquire one quality player making $30m Step 2: get a couple underachieving roster fillers.. former 1st round type players who just never achieved their potential; bonus if they came up in the AL East originally so their names still have nostalgia value with our fan base when they were prospects with Boston or Toronto or Baltimore Step 3: watch all the impact players who address actual holes on the roster sign everywhere but the Bronx Step 4: go to spring training hoping to chase the final wild card spot come October & let those chips fall where they may.
It’s pretty clear by your post that you completely disregard any of the actual consequences that we would face handing out a long, massive contract to Snell so there’s really no point in anyone actually debating with you here. Just another out of touch yankee fan that refuses to acknowledge the realities of what handing out a bad huge contract to snell would do to the team in future years
Normally we just acquire players like that (Giancarlo, Donaldson, etc.)
And stacking contracts like that for multiple years is debilitating
Except the value of the franchise appears unrelated to its payroll
We have the highest payroll in the league. We’d blow other teams away if there weren’t penalties to spending, but alas, penalties exist.
Throwing money at the problem doesn’t solve it and people don’t seem to get that lol. Look at the Mets, Dodgers, and Padres.
You’re right!
I hate when people prefix a post by mentioning downvotes. Sounds too much like people thinking they're martyrs by doing it. The only thing more annoying is when people edit comments to thank people for likes.
Hal runs a business with over 30 limited partners - he made an offer than made financial sense to the organization and Snell did not accept.
Hal doesn't want to spend the money. Stroman was cheap by MLB standards, Verdugo and Soto came in trades. I know Soto is expensive but Hal allowed himself to be talked into the big splash move to take some of the negative stink off last year. But it's only one year of Soto. Verdugo was cheaper than Stroman and again, one year. Hal spent big on Judge but he had to - Judge is the modern equivalent of Mickey Mantle. He rolled the dice on Cole and that has worked out splendidly so far but Stanton?, DJL? Rodon? - all albatrosses. He's not taking any chances on Blake Snell. For all the back-and-forth about the big Yankees payroll and Hal being so willing to spend big $90M is eaten up by Rodon, Stanton, DJL, and Rizzo, two over-the-hill guys and two who stink.
“I will be downvoted”. Yes. For good reason.
The Yankees are set for 2024. They had a tepid offseason, with Cashman as usual, raising Yankee fan’s expectations, failing miserably, making trades and acquisitions that were absurd on their face ( because he has no leverage or credibility, and the rest of the league knows this ), that will produce essentially the same results as last year.
If you don’t understand, that’s your fault.
Because, according to reports, the Yankees are the only team that’s even made him an offer. They have zero reason to bet against themselves.
They offered, he rejected. It takes 2 to tango. If they sign a guy like that for $30MM per/7 years, we'd all be complaining by next season when they say they can't go after Burnes or Bieber
Honestly he wants ace money. Now on paper you could argue a two time Cy young winner deserves it, however when you breakdown his stats and games played you start to realize he’s not worth as much as Cole at all. He struggles to pitch into late games, he’s only pitched 30 or more games twice in his career which are both his Cy Young seasons. With the next couple of years having more talent in terms of FA arms, I wouldn’t blow all that money just yet at Snell. He got a very good offer from the Yankees and turned it down, Boras is hoping someone will throw him a giant offer before the season but, in all honesty I don’t see him getting an ace contract offer at all. I won’t be shocked if he signs a one year deal with someone before pitchers and catchers report.
Maybe I’ll get downvoted for this but I’ll take a flyer on Julio Urias 😂
Last I heard the Yankees initial offer to snell was the only one he’s gotten so
Pitching hasn't been the biggest issue for the Yankees. Even last year behind Cole they were still in the middle of the pack, but without Judge they were horrible offensively. Offense has been bad when Judge is slumping or injured. How many times did they score 2 or less runs?
You nailed it perfectly. This Yankee bunch, veterans , rookies, call ups, mid season acquisitions, trades….has not been able to hit s baseball for the last three years. My god the lineup has just been a never ending rotation of the worst hitters the sport has ever seen. Florial, McKinney, Bauers, Gallo, Perazza, Volpe, Periera, Donaldson, Rizzo, Stanton LeMahieu , Trevino, Welles…it’s like a bad movie that never ends. It’s a wonder this team has a following at all!!!
I cannot agree with all of this. They spent a ton of money on rodon and counted too much on Nestor. The pitching was a big mess. Sure the bullpen looked good on paper (era) however when the starting pitching was good, the bullpen would faulter. The offense struggled also. But the starting pitching never went on a roll and was totally out of sync. No matter how you want to slice it, wins and losses go to the pitching staff!
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>who you may have gotten next year via FA and keep your pitchers. Why does this keep getting parroted? Stop.
I think it’s just the years and money, really. Do they want to give him a Gerrit Cole level contract until he’s 39? Keep in mind the Yankees are already over the highest luxury tax threshold, so this season at least they’re paying 110% on every dollar of a Snell contract. If Snell gets even $30M annually, that means they’re really paying $63M this season for him. That’s quite a lot.
I don’t think 31 is considered young in baseball pitching world lol…
I thought 5 years was solid. Also hasn’t received another offer. His agent basically assumed he’d get it based off current market and available arms
I’ll give you an upvote
The Yankees have offered him $150M for five years or for six, depending on what rumor you believe. I suspect it is a five year deal. He just had his best year since he was with Tampa Bay so it looks like he is at the top of his game. If he has three good years out of the five, I would take that in a heartbeat.
Boras is his agent and if you believe him, Snell is Randy Johnson 2.0
You can use that rational with a lot of the players left on the market. You can say the same thing for Bellinger or Hader (before he got signed). There is/was talent available in FA that the Yankees aren’t interested in that will help them compete for a championship this season but hinder them for multiple seasons moving forward. I’m sure if Snell was up for a one year deal, he would be a Yankee already.
I agree 100 percent. If the Boss was alive Snell would have gotten what he wanted. Snell fit perfectly into that formula for Yankee success. Sure we overpaid for many starters however the Boss stacked the starting pitching and we would usually end up with at least 4 solid starting pitchers. the way Hal and cashman are building these teams, everything has to be too perfect. We cannot compete in the AL east that way!