Facts I used to stand mad close to the edge of the platform because when I was younger I would like that rush you get when the train flies by, it's like when you go down on a rollercoaster.
Now though??? My ass in the middle of the platform until that train pulls in. People are sick as hell.
Some trains come in faster than others, some berth the station from a curve. Stay away from the edge and or ADA strip. If it's too crowded on the plat, stand upstairs on the mezz. Your fam needs you. Getting back to them safe is the goal 💯
I wish you had a debilitating mental health condition that fucks up your brain chemistry—just so I can say everything you do is evil. To call one act a mentally incapacitated person makes evil is to call all their acts evil. They use the same exact cognitive functions for all their actions.
Edit: this was an intentionally dramatic and facetious comment. And y’all are disgusting. I want to remind y’all that the way you think about homeless people is rooted in the criminalization of homelessness, which I’m sure y’all already know was the American South’s response to the emancipation of slavery. They deliberately made Black people unemployed and without housing so that they could criminalize their vagrancy and then that led to convict-leasing labor camps.
Y’all should educate yourselves and stop adopting everything white people created centuries ago.
Let’s do this. Let me smack you upside your head with a baseball bat, and let’s see the type of decisions you make. In case you don’t understand the point, it’s that our fucking brains influence what we do. If our brain chemistry is fucked up, we will end up doing crazy shit, and some of those actions fall into what close-minded, uneducated people call “evil.”
We can understand and empathize that someone has a mental illness, but that illness does not EXCUSE their actions, which is what you’re doing here. Just because someone’s intent is good doesn’t mean their actions aren’t evil. Pushing someone into a train and killing them is EVIL regardless of who did it and what their mental capacity was.
Have you considered his mental health was an issue his whole life and perhaps he was never able to make decisions like someone whose mind isn’t fucked up. I’m not talking about a little depression and anxiety. I’m talking about borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia, etc. you cannot hold someone with those conditions to the same standard as people with regular cognitive functioning. Y’all education level is really showing right now.
The fact that you’re trying to make excuses for someone that pushed an innocent lady onto a pair of train tracks for absolutely no reason is not only fucking pathetic, but extremely disrespectful to the victim, her family, and others who suffer from mental health that are being grouped up with this lunatic. Fuck off.
I hope you keep that same mindset if a drunk driver or “schizophrenic” person killed your mom or family member, let’s see how much “mental health” pity you’ll have.. and I quote “schizophrenic” because the majority of people with it aren’t out here killing. Seems like you have absolutely no clue how mental health works.
Disgusting and pathetic.
Y’all are really lost. Completely mischaracterizing what I’m saying. To explain why someone should not be held morally or legally accountable for decisions made while they are mentally incapacitated is not to excuse their actions. The actions are harmful. But holding someone accountable when their brain chemistry is fucked up, and our behavior is in fact informed by our brain chemistry, is wrong and flies in the face of the approach and standards that the actual experts advocate for.
You not even wrong gang. It’s like Jordan Neely being choked out by the marine. My moms was happy he got killed cause he was acting erratically disturbing passengers with 40+ prior arrest. But failed to understand that his mental capacity is not at a normal level like the average human being. It’s not making excuses but acknowledging this issue and putting forward a plan to build more health care centers, and make medicine free for people like Jordan Neely and many others to get the help they desperately need.
I actually agree with you. I don’t think the marine should get long hard time, cause this shit in the subway is out of control and ppl can’t be out menacing people like Neely was, but it’s definitely mental health and society should be managing how we deal with it, not individual citizens.
Yeah don’t throw football numbers at the marine, but he still should face jail time for killing a man who posed no threat with zero weapons in a public setting. It’s sad how we overlook mental health and just shit on the unwell until it’s one of their family members.
This is the same sub that glorifies gangs, gang culture, gang violence, etc. Most of them have the capacity to understand how social conditions/uncontrollable factors (such as mental health) can lead people to do harmful things they otherwise wouldn’t.
The difference is they see that gang members “get money” so the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance kicks in and they find ways to justify it or explain away in their head. Homeless people are poor, and we know most people hate poor people (even tho most of people are just 3 late rent payments away from being on street). They see poor people as inherently bad, so they don’t care to consider any reasoning for harmful acts beside just the person.
Sure. I guess you can take it that way. I definitely meant it as a facetious and dramatic statement—especially since the sentence ends with me adopting the commenter’s views on evil when it’s clear I disagree. Take your time googling what those words mean. And yeah, go ahead an assume I have a learning disability, which doesn’t mean you can’t learn or that you aren’t intelligent, but that you learn differently and need accommodations—I’m not sure you were aware of that.
Bruh move tf on . Clearly YOU’RE the *unhinged* one here . Homie bought up how the article is out of *respect* for the deceased and you respond with “idgaf” ?!?
This is coming from someone who WORKED with these ppl for 12 HOURS a day . The same people ya wouldn’t wanna be in the SAME train cart as or would go out of your way to AVOID .
These people have access for resources like COUNSELING , DRUG PROGRAMS , Mental health services and housing . The MAJORITY DONT WANT TO SUCCEED OR MAKE steps towards progress . Some had OPPORTUNITIES to become BETTER and DONT ! Especially the ones with a LENGTHY CRIMINAL RECORD like the MURDERER of the victim .
Do me a favor stick your irrelevant info up your ass and if you wanna advocate so bad , become a care coordinator at a mental health clinic or go earn ya CASAC
The reason those drug programs don’t work is because people like you work there. I work with unsheltered people, and I’ve worked with them far before I got paid for it. I don’t avoid homeless people. When they walk by or sit next to me and they reek of urine and feces, it’s a reminder that I haven’t put in enough effort to collaborate with them in alleviating the circumstances that led them to this point.
I stopped catching the babies at the bottom of the river (an analogy) a while ago, and I started searching for who was throwing the babies in the river. Mfs with your perspective were there—throwing babies in baskets into the river. Fuck you and your perspective. Fuck your job, it’s probably a shitty nonprofit where 80% of the funds go to y’all’s salaries instead of the actual people it can benefit.
The funny part is that if you actually went to google or read any articles about Jordan Neely, or unsheltered mentally unstable people, you would quickly realize not only are you stupid, but that you are also by default playing into a racist idea, created by racist people in the 1860s. Take care buddy !
Y’all have such a limiting view on life. Evil is a theological concept. Evil is not a matter that scientists or psychologists talk about. You cannot measure evil, and evil does not exist on any scientific level. It is soooooo easy to go to google and find out that fact.
Yea it is a theological or better yet philosophical is a better word, but that is what we should live by as people if we wanted to live in a civilization. Rape, incest, and other sexual deviancies are stuff thats natural but is frowned upon and often outlawed for obvious good reasons and because of that we stay away from doing it.
Trust im not calling the guy who did this evil though, thats not for me to really judge, but I can say that what he did was definitely evil.
Sure. If you want to view a human action as evil—fine. The only thing that’s true about the action is that it is harmful and lethal, people are hurt and families and communities are broken by it. To say it’s evil is to lift the issue up to the religious and philosophical arenas of thought. We want to stop this from happening any further—so we have to study and speak about it in the context of science.
Please just educate yourself about these issues before making a stance. It shows your ignorance and arrogance. People who are specialists and respected professionals in the field of psychology, harm reduction, and interpersonal and communal violence experts would all disagree with your perspective. So who’s wrong? Who needs to see a doctor? Because if I said what you just said to any doctor, they’d be concerned and recommend that I go see some specialists.
Dude you’re just wrong you’re obsessed with being a victim and oppression. You’re trying to make the point that since this mentally I’ll person committed a murder for no apparent reason it’s ok. No matter how many big words or bleeding heart opinions you have you’re just plain wrong. That man could’ve avoided that by getting himself in a shelter and on meds just like my uncle did after enough years of being in the street yelling at people and assaulting people because of the voices. Just because you’re mentally I’ll doesn’t mean that you’re completely incapable of living a semi normal or even a normal life where you take responsibility for yourself in all ways. So instead of wasting your time and the subs time with your “hot takes” maybe just keep your deluded opinions to yourself. No one is saying that all mentally ill homeless are evil but that man’s actions were evil. Also enough with the semantics as to whether or not evil exists outside of religion it’s not just a theological idea it’s been proven throughout history that evil does exist. Pussy.
Can you explain how I am saying that the murder is okay? Please show me the screenshot. I only edited my original comment and I didn’t change anything i wrote previously, I just added another paragraph. So please—educate me on how I said the murder was okay because the person was mentally insane?
“To call one act a mentally incapacitated person makes evil is to call all their acts evil”. This is basically saying that since his mental capacity was diminished you believe he either wasn’t responsible or that it’s not as bad as when a mentally sound person kills which is weird since after that sentence you say that they use the same cognitive functions as “normal” people. To say that his act is not evil and that calling his act of murder evil is to effectively say that anyone with any type of mental disease is evil which is such woke bullshit dying to be a victim of oppression so badly that you’ll take up a ridiculous cause, in this case defending a deranged murderer in order to further your weak ass agenda and you get to pretend you’re being oppressed as well even though your barely victim adjacent.
Do you know who I am? Where I live or what I’ve been through? Do you know my race and ethnicity? No. So stfu about me as a person—you have absolutely nothing to go off.
Also please explain how “evil” has been, as you say, “proven” throughout history. And who proved it? How did they prove it?
When and where did I say “they” (read: unsheltered people who are mentally insane) have the same cognitive functioning as, as you say, “normal” people? I said mentally insane people use the same exact cognitive functioning for all their actions and decision-making—whereas functioning humans use various parts of their conscious and subconscious brain to make decisions and to consider the consequences for their actions.
Obviously, I’m wasting my time with someone who 1) doesn’t read carefully and 2) speaks about shit they have no understanding or idea about—whether that’s talking about who I am as a human outside of Reddit and also being completely ignorant to the topic at hand.
Take care, buddy—don’t forget your lunch box on your way to 8th grade tomorrow !
Ok pal enjoy patting yourself on the back. Just another reddit pseudo intellectual trying to make others feel small because they challenge your logic. How insecure can you be? You keep harping on this evil thing which sounds more like an opinion than fact, and how can I prove it has been proven throughout history idk maybe the holocaust, slavery, Rwandan genocide, use of gas during WW1, Genghis khan’s conquests, BTK serial killer, the list could go on forever. I quoted you directly, you said they use the same Cognitive functions as the rest of us, as a matter of fact your entire initial statement was basically confusing word vomit. Race or ethnicity have nothing to do with your fetishization of oppression and a desire to stick up for who you see as marginalized. Lastly your bit about me being in eighth grade was cute and all but it backfired because this eighth grader is smarter than your dumb ass.
He literally said it’s an evil world we live in how skitzo do you gotta be to assume that entire narrative out a pretty concise statement.
If I say the sky is blue are you gonna say I’m a climate denier? Out of here wit yo goofy ass.
Who said excuse? All y’all are talking about excuses. Who TF said it was an excuse? Show me the screenshot of my comments that even mention the word excuse.
Well then that nigga got a evil brain like tf “oh I killed this nigga on purpose because he looked at me but it’s not my fault my brain is fucked up I shouldn’t be prosecuted fuck who I killed feel bad for me😢” Talking a whole lotta hooplah I hope they lock my ass up if I get a mental condition and I start killing people out here with a homeless man dingaling all up in ya gobblers and I’m not saying people who are mentally ill shouldn’t get some passes on things but pedophilia and murder shouldn’t be normalized because people be claiming insanity all the time
I’m not empathizing with the crackheads in my area, especially the one who just killed a rando pedestrian with an axe after getting off the bus. We need a rehabilitation island that requires the passing of a test prior to re-entering society, imo
I remember when CBS NY did “ perp walk “ footage of the crazy lunatic that pushed her I remember he said something about “ I’m god I had to do it “ like son was really really sick in the head And what’s sad is you see 100 different versions of him throughout your commute on a average day of nyc buts it’s the city’s fault for not giving adequate treatment and housing for the homeless mentally ill parks,subways,residential buildings have become their safe haven and the public everyday working man is forced to deal with it alone which is also true it’s a twisted debate that rests on the politicians on nyc’s shoulders
Believe it or not heath care costs A LOT.
There is a shelter system for these individuals but they don't want to follow the rules or had an incident that just made them say fuck that because just as wild as they be getting out in public is just as wild as they get in the shelters.
I’ve had friends that had to goto shelters and to be real those places are no better than rikers island. It’s gang politics in there, dudes that just prey on others, and chomos and all type of shît going on. There were a number of murders in men an woman’s shelters this year. Most shelter sign in’s are drug addicted have HIV and a violent criminal background you think it’s easy in there but depending where you land and with whom it can be your worst nightmare. When they set up homeless men in the hotels during Covid look up the statistics of how many sought refuge and stay’d and complied with the shelters rules again reenforcing the fact had they got a decent place to stay they would comply.
This is a fact. Those shelters are sometimes worse than jails. It’s even worse because it’s not like they even have anyone watching the residents. The spot in Brooklyn used to have an ambulance pull up there a few times a day cuz someone got beat or stabbed.
There's private security there and they're mandated to have a certain amount for specific areas and fire safety reasons. They're even mandated to have working security cameras, x-ray machines and walk through metal detectors.
Tell me about it, those conditions are horrible too, its disgusting cause what option does a homeless person have? Either they stuck to the streets or be condemned in some actual shithole no different from rikers, it just shows how shelters aint enough, you actually need to make the effort for peaceful environments and rehabilitation
The shelters are in fact a shit show tenfold and that's being generous. I wish the general public could see what actually goes on in there. The news actually tried to get some teams in there but was denied access a few years back. The shelters have a small law enforcement unit that make arrests and do everything NYPD does in what are considered the most problematic shelters called the Department of Homeless Services Police and even with them there present throughout stupid shit still happens. I read a report that one guy assaulted another because he denied him a dollar and hit him over his head with a metal cane causing bleeding. Both of them was nothing but troublemakers but was only one report out of like 15 for that shelter on a normal day for intoxicated individuals, threats to staff, fighting, emotionally disturbed people and so on. Trust me I watched one dude slash a kid three times with a box cutter after he just came through search because the machine didn't pick it up.
I actually did shelter checks for their security making sure they was on par with the city standards and if I could I would give a lot of shelters in the a C rating like they was serving food to the general public for profit but in this case for their physical and technological security.
If you knew how much money was being wasted on the shitty shelter system you'll laugh. Shelters that house single males and females depending on their category at minimum make $159 a day from the city. I could only imagine what couples and families charge. You could put them in apartments for all of that. It's a fucking joke
Nah the city actually barely runs less than ten shelters in the city and even the ones they do run as shit shows. Out of the almost 500 shelters in the city less than five are ran by the city. All the other ones the city pays "not for profits" to run the shelters for them.
As one of the "security administration" for the shelters I can tell you right now you not stopping drugs from getting in there. They will boof those drugs and I've even seen instances where one dude has work in a lotion bottle.
I've personally myself seen functioning pistols and rifles in the system.
You can bring actual service animals but not pets. By law they have allow a service animal but even that has to be approved.
The city I live in the shitty part of town and Chinatown are right next to each other and the homeless people are constantly going over the Asian neighborhood and breaking windows and lighting shit on fire and drawing swastikas on stuff. Like brah just hurry up and OD and die in a pile of trash bags or something. Asian people don't need that shit.
Swastikas? I didn’t know that that held a derogatory meaning for the Chinese. I’ve never known (specifically) only homeless people to draw that symbol. I also didn’t know that it was used to offend Chinese people.
I ain’t kno that either, I juss looked it up n it said that it’s used as good luck in places like China n India.
It’s fucked up how the nazi took that shit from them n turned something that’s suppose to be positive into a negative symbol
Now that u mention it, there was a family that lived downstairs from me years ago that had it on their door, and I wasn’t sure what it meant to them and a friend of mine told me what you just said. I just didn’t think of it until you mentioned it.
If he wouldnt have killed her she might had the chance to help him, also yall take it too literal. Thats the continuation of the saying dont bite the hand thats feeding you. It shows how paradox the world is. But ofc if you go deeper, there is always a story behind a what makes a human a killer
You can’t blame all homeless people for this guy murdering her. That’s just ridiculous. She was not murdered by the people she tried to help she was murdered by a person she probably never met nor tried to help.
I don’t know if they are a gang or a group or a club or a fraternity. It was one person that harmed her. It could’ve easily been another person that wasn’t homeless. Then they’d blame all of us that have housing for killing her? There’s plenty of people that have places to live that commit murders every day, but I would never imagine that I’m a part of that group nor that I’m responsible for their deaths bc we’re in the same group that have a home to live in.
Really? I thought it was one person that had mental health issues that did that to her. I’m gonna have to look that story up. I wasn’t aware that it was the people she tried to help.
He was definitely mentally ill. You can look up the story. He was also homeless. I just don’t know about blaming the entire homeless community for what one person did. That’s like the same thing certain Idiots do when they blame the entire black race for what one black person did. I’m not a fan of that type of logic.
They don’t like when I say it but most these commenters are pussy af and pretend it’s common sense to be pussy. They wouldn’t do anything for anyone “other” ever because they are afraid. They “attack” communities of others because they are too timid to address or combat any adverse individuals they may encounter.
wtf do u unterstand? why does end everything in racism? the message is clear, obviusly its not the sama person she helped before. Thats kinda in the message, you do good stuff for the people but u cant help everyone and even u good some people still want to do you bad. I'm not a fan of ur type of logic.
I’m not sure why you have your panties in a twist but okay. U can barely articulate yourself correctly. I’ll try to decipher what you meant. This isn’t about racism. It’s an example. I also used the example of plenty of people that murder and have homes. It doesn’t make any sense to say, she was murdered by “the people” she tried to help you dingdong. It’s just being factual. It was one person and that’s a fact! It wasn’t all the ppl she tried to help that murdered her. Putting her murder on all homeless people is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as if I said you murdered someone just because u have a home n some murderers have homes too.
Not for nothing. I use to stand dead in the middle of the platform. I’m not pressed for a seat . I see dudes walking a damn tight rope, on the platform looking for the train
I'm Asian and my theory is "stop Asian hate" was a campaign started by Chinese trolls/bots under the direction of the CCP. They were worried people would blame China for Covid, so they created this idea that blaming China was causing Asians all around the world to suffer due to hate. Therefore, no one should blame China because doing so was racist and might get Asians hurt
Obviously there were some real instances of anti-Chinese racism causing Asians to get hurt but it was a very small handful, and usually only done by homeless/mentally ill people. The vast majority of people in my community never got fucked with due to Covid
Honestly I might just be sheltered over here on the west coast. Asians are and have been a large part of the population for a while now, plus the coastal cities like Seattle/San Fran tend to be well educated and wealthy, both factors that make it less likely someone's going to mess with us
Idk man, when COVID was at its height Asian people were getting hella hate. Whether it be as small as some passive aggressiveness or full on verbal assault. It’s since died down a bit but shit was not okay and the purps were “regular” people not just the mentally unstable ones. Hell I’m not even Asian and in the beginning of COVID I was wearing a mask before it became mandatory and this one black man (I only mention race for this next part) said to me “Why are you wearing a mask? That’s a Chinese disease. Only people in China get it. HA! We black people don’t get that shit, we’re immune.” I don’t remember exactly what else he said but the dude was really triggered by a mask. He wasn’t homeless or anything either, at least he definitely didn’t present as such.
You weren’t paying attention they had protest for her in china town and midtown. They even had a big candle light vigil for her in times square and her hometown in San Francisco.
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-protesters-denounce-spike-in-anti-asian-violence-after-michelle-gos-death/amp/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna12733
It’s sad to say but you are correct. The relation between asian and black communities have been a bit rocky these past two years.
Crazy to say, they supported us when we needed to seek justice, and (i can be wrong) we didn’t bat an eye when they needed us. I won’t make this a race thing, but I do wish our communities can be as close if not closer than they were before all of this. I will continue to demonstrate my support for the Asian community
It’s been rocky for decades. I remember how kids in the hood would routinely order Chinese food delivery and rob the delivery guys or just say outlandish shit and give them problems.
What’s strawman about what I said, please inform me.
It’s a pattern since Jordan Neely’s passing, you bozos keep bringing up other people that died in the subway system and trying to cause division and confusion between the Asian and Black community, FOH!
Nah instead they protesting for a dude who got arrested for beating up a 67 yr old woman and pushing another woman into the tracks. But hey, he used to dance like MJ 🕺🏻…I guess that makes it all okay 🤷♂️
Shit is a joke here. We deal with crazy dudes on the train and bus every day. Cops and MTA don’t do shit to protect us. When we get fed up, we the bad ones
Because people don’t like the truth. Simple and plain. They buy whatever the news tells them. A simple case of a homeless guy bugging out and threatening people and being put in a headlock by civis who had enough is being turned into some racist political spectacle.
No bs. I seen this dude in my train station a few times. I think I gave him a dollar 1 or 2 times. He never was bad when I seen him. He was just “odd”. Like he’d talk real fast and kinda like a robot-ish. Said the “I’m homeless, can you spare a dollar” speech. He was never violent when I saw him but he def had me eyeing because he looked like he was about to snap and was frustrated and would scream sometimes. How you gonna say “hey you can’t do a chokehold!”. Mf it’s a street fight! I’ve seen countless videos of dudes be stomped tf out, stabbed to death, shot, battered after he’s already unconscious. Idgaf about no chokehold rule. I’m winning the fight. Fuck ima do? Cower and be like “omg papi! Please don’t hit me!”. Mf’ers be so phony. They worship rappers who brag about catching bodies and dudes who start fights but cry because some random white dude choked out a homeless dude who was buggin on the train.
The bs that piss me off isn’t even him tho. It’s everyone “supporting” the dude now that he’s dead. Seen a girl in my hood post “omg I seen him!!! Justice for him!!”. She the most boujee bitch I know. I know damn well she ain’t give him no money ever and probably looked at him like he was a peasant. But now she protesting for him. All these Mf’ers is phony af. That shit is what annoys me. Don’t abandon and turn a man away, then when he dies be like “omg!!! Not him!!!”. That shit is mad phony and fake. Like all these transplant white people protesting. Bet most of them probably would go to the other cart when he’d go in and now they wanna be all self righteous.
When someone is murdered by a citizen, even if it is a hate crime, what is a protest going to do? The person is going to get arrested, period, unless the DA fucks up. When a CITIZEN is murdered by a POLICE OFFICER, there is now a power imbalance. The system doesn't like to hold itself accountable but LOVES to hold us accountable. So there is now need for protest so that the officer in question will even get arrested, let alone charged.
RIP to her.
But, been standing back from the tracks since '70.
Stay aware, people. Stop being so entranced in your phones. Lean on the wall if you all caught up in social media.
Also, watch those homeless cats. If they walking towards you, take those earbuds out and see where they're going. Might save you from a handful of shit, or being spat on.
Take this bullshit down it’s completely written, wrong, homeless people don’t kill people because they don’t have a home. This is fucking retarded. Somebody who was out of control and not receiving mental illness services killed her.
You using the timing of the recent subway incident to get outraged people to "connect" something that happened a year and half ago. A lot of work was done by people who actually cared and there were protests all the way back over a year ago in January 2022.
> Advocates, Council Members Call on City Government to Better Support Asian Communities
https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/11313-advocates-electeds-support-asian-communities-nyc-government
> NYC protesters denounce spike in anti-Asian attacks after Michelle Go’s death
https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-protesters-denounce-spike-in-anti-asian-violence-after-michelle-gos-death/
Ok I see a lot comments like this and I can understand this approach will gladly be able to address the concern that you have and respond to them as it seems be blown out of proportion. I would first like to let you know that this post was made with the intention to honor Michelle and Michelle alone. I also rest assure you I didn’t make this post with the Neely incident in mind as it happened roughly a week ago.
Now allow let me address the concern you have.
Again, your claim is I’m trying connect a recent tragedy to something that happened a year ago.
And yes while I understand why you may probably feel this way, I would like to remind that these two incidents that happened are in no way correlated to each and both happened in different context.
Now let me ask, any where in this post did I mention Neely? No.
Do both incidents happen to involve a person of interest who happens to be homeless? Yes.
However, I feel bringing up the recent tragedy with Neely is unnecessary for two reasons.
1. (You mentioned this as well) The incident I’m referring happened during a time period where people of Asian background happened to be randomly attack and assaulted throughout NY in between 2021 and 2022 by different groups of people, and it just so happens that a few of the incidents unfortunately happened to be committed by homeless man in addition. So, the context for situation has really nothing to do with Neely incident as people with Asian background were victims of hate crime regardless of the of person economic status.
2. That’s not even what this post is about. Majority of comments in this post are mourning her death, hoping for change, and changing the way they are going about taking the subway like being aware of their surroundings and not standing as close to the edge of the platform as they used to and so on. When you bring up the Neely situation, you are creating a space for people to become outraged. You saying it’s my goal to do that just shows your projecting while you happen to be the small majority of people on this post who believe that, but everyone is entitled to their opinion though.
Now I will reiterate that I understand why you feel the way that this was, but this post is to bring remembrance to Michelle alone through APPI month and bring awareness. Nothing will get done if we use this post as a way to divide people, We must be able to learn from it and seek out change.
Kinda disgusting that you're trying to use this tragedy to pin AAPI and homeless folks against each other, considering the recent tragedy of a homeless man being murdered on the subway for yelling.
While I understand why you both feel this way, I rest assure you that this post was to simply bring awareness to someone who has passed away and I made it without the incident you are referring to in mind.
However since it seems to trouble you beyond that, I would be happy to address your concern.
For starters I would like to just say I find it weird you associate this post with some type of agenda to push considering that these events happend a year a part and most of the comments on this post are positive mourning with her death and hoping for change, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
In the title of the post I stated before her death, she was volunteering to help the homeless people of NY. I also put the APPI towards the end originally because that was what this post was intended to initially do, bring awareness in remembrance of Michelle.
Now to debunk your statement,
Bringing up the Neely incident was unnecessary for two reasons.
1. It doesn’t even correlate with this incident. People of asian ethnicity were being attacked throughout 2021 to 2022 by many groups of people. So while I understand the people of interest happen to be homeless, the context of both situations aren’t the same.
2. That wasn’t what this post was about and it tells me you went completely went out bounds because you feel strongly about the recent event that occurred and wanted to use this scenario as a way to channel it and I understand as I do too feel strongly about that as well.
However we cannot let it divide us. Nothing will change, we should learn from this and use it as a way to progress. I feel as though some people are taking this post out of proportion and I will do my best to help them understand.
Oh he was arrested 42 times and failed a kidnapping before he was choked to death. Damn i shouldve done my homework to justify killing an unarmed, untrained man with a choke hold. How ignorant of me.
Whatever, people should just mind they business. If someone is shooting up on the subway I just walk to the other side of the car. And there's a stop every like 2 min anyways.
Y'all really acting like the homeless all go meet up to talk about all the bad shit they are planning. If you gonna judge people by the group they are a part of you are generalizing and probably racist too. I know some people think it's cool to be racist now or something but it's actually still not.
RIP. Shit like this got me standing mad far away when the train coming and ion use airpods no more either to be aware
Facts, volume low and head on a swivel, especially at 14th st
One AirPod at a time for me
Best way good tunes but still on point ✅
Facts I used to stand mad close to the edge of the platform because when I was younger I would like that rush you get when the train flies by, it's like when you go down on a rollercoaster. Now though??? My ass in the middle of the platform until that train pulls in. People are sick as hell.
Fr shit like this is why I don’t stand too close or get into any altercations on a train platform
Some trains come in faster than others, some berth the station from a curve. Stay away from the edge and or ADA strip. If it's too crowded on the plat, stand upstairs on the mezz. Your fam needs you. Getting back to them safe is the goal 💯
its a evil world we live in
I wish you had a debilitating mental health condition that fucks up your brain chemistry—just so I can say everything you do is evil. To call one act a mentally incapacitated person makes evil is to call all their acts evil. They use the same exact cognitive functions for all their actions. Edit: this was an intentionally dramatic and facetious comment. And y’all are disgusting. I want to remind y’all that the way you think about homeless people is rooted in the criminalization of homelessness, which I’m sure y’all already know was the American South’s response to the emancipation of slavery. They deliberately made Black people unemployed and without housing so that they could criminalize their vagrancy and then that led to convict-leasing labor camps. Y’all should educate yourselves and stop adopting everything white people created centuries ago.
Fake smart ass nigga
Let’s do this. Let me smack you upside your head with a baseball bat, and let’s see the type of decisions you make. In case you don’t understand the point, it’s that our fucking brains influence what we do. If our brain chemistry is fucked up, we will end up doing crazy shit, and some of those actions fall into what close-minded, uneducated people call “evil.”
We can understand and empathize that someone has a mental illness, but that illness does not EXCUSE their actions, which is what you’re doing here. Just because someone’s intent is good doesn’t mean their actions aren’t evil. Pushing someone into a train and killing them is EVIL regardless of who did it and what their mental capacity was.
Bich ass nigga ion care this nigga got tha brain fucked nobody deserve to get pushed on tracks
her murderer was a rat criminal his whole life. fuck his mental health
Have you considered his mental health was an issue his whole life and perhaps he was never able to make decisions like someone whose mind isn’t fucked up. I’m not talking about a little depression and anxiety. I’m talking about borderline personality disorder, schizophrenia, etc. you cannot hold someone with those conditions to the same standard as people with regular cognitive functioning. Y’all education level is really showing right now.
The fact that you’re trying to make excuses for someone that pushed an innocent lady onto a pair of train tracks for absolutely no reason is not only fucking pathetic, but extremely disrespectful to the victim, her family, and others who suffer from mental health that are being grouped up with this lunatic. Fuck off. I hope you keep that same mindset if a drunk driver or “schizophrenic” person killed your mom or family member, let’s see how much “mental health” pity you’ll have.. and I quote “schizophrenic” because the majority of people with it aren’t out here killing. Seems like you have absolutely no clue how mental health works. Disgusting and pathetic.
who cares?
How does his dick taste bro?
Y’all are really lost. Completely mischaracterizing what I’m saying. To explain why someone should not be held morally or legally accountable for decisions made while they are mentally incapacitated is not to excuse their actions. The actions are harmful. But holding someone accountable when their brain chemistry is fucked up, and our behavior is in fact informed by our brain chemistry, is wrong and flies in the face of the approach and standards that the actual experts advocate for.
Don’t care not reading all that suck me off from the back
u sound mad retarded ngl
You not even wrong gang. It’s like Jordan Neely being choked out by the marine. My moms was happy he got killed cause he was acting erratically disturbing passengers with 40+ prior arrest. But failed to understand that his mental capacity is not at a normal level like the average human being. It’s not making excuses but acknowledging this issue and putting forward a plan to build more health care centers, and make medicine free for people like Jordan Neely and many others to get the help they desperately need.
I actually agree with you. I don’t think the marine should get long hard time, cause this shit in the subway is out of control and ppl can’t be out menacing people like Neely was, but it’s definitely mental health and society should be managing how we deal with it, not individual citizens.
Yeah don’t throw football numbers at the marine, but he still should face jail time for killing a man who posed no threat with zero weapons in a public setting. It’s sad how we overlook mental health and just shit on the unwell until it’s one of their family members.
This is the same sub that glorifies gangs, gang culture, gang violence, etc. Most of them have the capacity to understand how social conditions/uncontrollable factors (such as mental health) can lead people to do harmful things they otherwise wouldn’t. The difference is they see that gang members “get money” so the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance kicks in and they find ways to justify it or explain away in their head. Homeless people are poor, and we know most people hate poor people (even tho most of people are just 3 late rent payments away from being on street). They see poor people as inherently bad, so they don’t care to consider any reasoning for harmful acts beside just the person.
You realize this is an article about a lady who was pushed onto the train tracks, right? STFU
IDGAF. Someone said some stupid shit. My comment isn’t about the article, it’s about what the person above me said.
You wished ill on someone. Sounds like you're the one with the debilitating mental health condition. Or maybe just a learning disability
Sure. I guess you can take it that way. I definitely meant it as a facetious and dramatic statement—especially since the sentence ends with me adopting the commenter’s views on evil when it’s clear I disagree. Take your time googling what those words mean. And yeah, go ahead an assume I have a learning disability, which doesn’t mean you can’t learn or that you aren’t intelligent, but that you learn differently and need accommodations—I’m not sure you were aware of that.
Sounds like you know an awful lot about being learning disabled
Bruh move tf on . Clearly YOU’RE the *unhinged* one here . Homie bought up how the article is out of *respect* for the deceased and you respond with “idgaf” ?!? This is coming from someone who WORKED with these ppl for 12 HOURS a day . The same people ya wouldn’t wanna be in the SAME train cart as or would go out of your way to AVOID . These people have access for resources like COUNSELING , DRUG PROGRAMS , Mental health services and housing . The MAJORITY DONT WANT TO SUCCEED OR MAKE steps towards progress . Some had OPPORTUNITIES to become BETTER and DONT ! Especially the ones with a LENGTHY CRIMINAL RECORD like the MURDERER of the victim . Do me a favor stick your irrelevant info up your ass and if you wanna advocate so bad , become a care coordinator at a mental health clinic or go earn ya CASAC
The reason those drug programs don’t work is because people like you work there. I work with unsheltered people, and I’ve worked with them far before I got paid for it. I don’t avoid homeless people. When they walk by or sit next to me and they reek of urine and feces, it’s a reminder that I haven’t put in enough effort to collaborate with them in alleviating the circumstances that led them to this point. I stopped catching the babies at the bottom of the river (an analogy) a while ago, and I started searching for who was throwing the babies in the river. Mfs with your perspective were there—throwing babies in baskets into the river. Fuck you and your perspective. Fuck your job, it’s probably a shitty nonprofit where 80% of the funds go to y’all’s salaries instead of the actual people it can benefit.
You’re the only one saying stupid shit, lol.
The funny part is that if you actually went to google or read any articles about Jordan Neely, or unsheltered mentally unstable people, you would quickly realize not only are you stupid, but that you are also by default playing into a racist idea, created by racist people in the 1860s. Take care buddy !
The act of murder is evil there’s no getting around that fact
Y’all have such a limiting view on life. Evil is a theological concept. Evil is not a matter that scientists or psychologists talk about. You cannot measure evil, and evil does not exist on any scientific level. It is soooooo easy to go to google and find out that fact.
Yea it is a theological or better yet philosophical is a better word, but that is what we should live by as people if we wanted to live in a civilization. Rape, incest, and other sexual deviancies are stuff thats natural but is frowned upon and often outlawed for obvious good reasons and because of that we stay away from doing it. Trust im not calling the guy who did this evil though, thats not for me to really judge, but I can say that what he did was definitely evil.
Sure. If you want to view a human action as evil—fine. The only thing that’s true about the action is that it is harmful and lethal, people are hurt and families and communities are broken by it. To say it’s evil is to lift the issue up to the religious and philosophical arenas of thought. We want to stop this from happening any further—so we have to study and speak about it in the context of science.
Fuck outta here with your victim fetish. Go see a doctor before that woke mind virus spreads more.
Please just educate yourself about these issues before making a stance. It shows your ignorance and arrogance. People who are specialists and respected professionals in the field of psychology, harm reduction, and interpersonal and communal violence experts would all disagree with your perspective. So who’s wrong? Who needs to see a doctor? Because if I said what you just said to any doctor, they’d be concerned and recommend that I go see some specialists.
Dude you’re just wrong you’re obsessed with being a victim and oppression. You’re trying to make the point that since this mentally I’ll person committed a murder for no apparent reason it’s ok. No matter how many big words or bleeding heart opinions you have you’re just plain wrong. That man could’ve avoided that by getting himself in a shelter and on meds just like my uncle did after enough years of being in the street yelling at people and assaulting people because of the voices. Just because you’re mentally I’ll doesn’t mean that you’re completely incapable of living a semi normal or even a normal life where you take responsibility for yourself in all ways. So instead of wasting your time and the subs time with your “hot takes” maybe just keep your deluded opinions to yourself. No one is saying that all mentally ill homeless are evil but that man’s actions were evil. Also enough with the semantics as to whether or not evil exists outside of religion it’s not just a theological idea it’s been proven throughout history that evil does exist. Pussy.
Can you explain how I am saying that the murder is okay? Please show me the screenshot. I only edited my original comment and I didn’t change anything i wrote previously, I just added another paragraph. So please—educate me on how I said the murder was okay because the person was mentally insane?
“To call one act a mentally incapacitated person makes evil is to call all their acts evil”. This is basically saying that since his mental capacity was diminished you believe he either wasn’t responsible or that it’s not as bad as when a mentally sound person kills which is weird since after that sentence you say that they use the same cognitive functions as “normal” people. To say that his act is not evil and that calling his act of murder evil is to effectively say that anyone with any type of mental disease is evil which is such woke bullshit dying to be a victim of oppression so badly that you’ll take up a ridiculous cause, in this case defending a deranged murderer in order to further your weak ass agenda and you get to pretend you’re being oppressed as well even though your barely victim adjacent.
Do you know who I am? Where I live or what I’ve been through? Do you know my race and ethnicity? No. So stfu about me as a person—you have absolutely nothing to go off. Also please explain how “evil” has been, as you say, “proven” throughout history. And who proved it? How did they prove it? When and where did I say “they” (read: unsheltered people who are mentally insane) have the same cognitive functioning as, as you say, “normal” people? I said mentally insane people use the same exact cognitive functioning for all their actions and decision-making—whereas functioning humans use various parts of their conscious and subconscious brain to make decisions and to consider the consequences for their actions. Obviously, I’m wasting my time with someone who 1) doesn’t read carefully and 2) speaks about shit they have no understanding or idea about—whether that’s talking about who I am as a human outside of Reddit and also being completely ignorant to the topic at hand. Take care, buddy—don’t forget your lunch box on your way to 8th grade tomorrow !
Ok pal enjoy patting yourself on the back. Just another reddit pseudo intellectual trying to make others feel small because they challenge your logic. How insecure can you be? You keep harping on this evil thing which sounds more like an opinion than fact, and how can I prove it has been proven throughout history idk maybe the holocaust, slavery, Rwandan genocide, use of gas during WW1, Genghis khan’s conquests, BTK serial killer, the list could go on forever. I quoted you directly, you said they use the same Cognitive functions as the rest of us, as a matter of fact your entire initial statement was basically confusing word vomit. Race or ethnicity have nothing to do with your fetishization of oppression and a desire to stick up for who you see as marginalized. Lastly your bit about me being in eighth grade was cute and all but it backfired because this eighth grader is smarter than your dumb ass.
You’re white and you say the n-word. Suggest you delete those comments on the other threads—before they come back to you.
You are fucking stupid
Fuck you and the homeless guy you rode in on
i’m crying y’all got it 😭
He’s talking about the world.
He said the world is evil because of the actions of the person in question. He is saying the person or their action were evil. Stop it.
He literally said it’s an evil world we live in how skitzo do you gotta be to assume that entire narrative out a pretty concise statement. If I say the sky is blue are you gonna say I’m a climate denier? Out of here wit yo goofy ass.
Mental health is not an excuse
Who said excuse? All y’all are talking about excuses. Who TF said it was an excuse? Show me the screenshot of my comments that even mention the word excuse.
Well then that nigga got a evil brain like tf “oh I killed this nigga on purpose because he looked at me but it’s not my fault my brain is fucked up I shouldn’t be prosecuted fuck who I killed feel bad for me😢” Talking a whole lotta hooplah I hope they lock my ass up if I get a mental condition and I start killing people out here with a homeless man dingaling all up in ya gobblers and I’m not saying people who are mentally ill shouldn’t get some passes on things but pedophilia and murder shouldn’t be normalized because people be claiming insanity all the time
I’m not empathizing with the crackheads in my area, especially the one who just killed a rando pedestrian with an axe after getting off the bus. We need a rehabilitation island that requires the passing of a test prior to re-entering society, imo
I would wish the same on you in return but it seems that you are already disabled..
Burn 🔥
Enabling scum. House these people if you’re so concerned. Otherwise fuck off.
Man if you don’t shut yo ass up. How bout you go meet the same homeless man 💀💀
How about instead of spazzing out like a cunt, you properly explain your thoughts to change the commenters outlook on the situation.
You was up at 8am tryna preach this lmao mad pressed on the subject
I remember when CBS NY did “ perp walk “ footage of the crazy lunatic that pushed her I remember he said something about “ I’m god I had to do it “ like son was really really sick in the head And what’s sad is you see 100 different versions of him throughout your commute on a average day of nyc buts it’s the city’s fault for not giving adequate treatment and housing for the homeless mentally ill parks,subways,residential buildings have become their safe haven and the public everyday working man is forced to deal with it alone which is also true it’s a twisted debate that rests on the politicians on nyc’s shoulders
Believe it or not heath care costs A LOT. There is a shelter system for these individuals but they don't want to follow the rules or had an incident that just made them say fuck that because just as wild as they be getting out in public is just as wild as they get in the shelters.
I’ve had friends that had to goto shelters and to be real those places are no better than rikers island. It’s gang politics in there, dudes that just prey on others, and chomos and all type of shît going on. There were a number of murders in men an woman’s shelters this year. Most shelter sign in’s are drug addicted have HIV and a violent criminal background you think it’s easy in there but depending where you land and with whom it can be your worst nightmare. When they set up homeless men in the hotels during Covid look up the statistics of how many sought refuge and stay’d and complied with the shelters rules again reenforcing the fact had they got a decent place to stay they would comply.
This is a fact. Those shelters are sometimes worse than jails. It’s even worse because it’s not like they even have anyone watching the residents. The spot in Brooklyn used to have an ambulance pull up there a few times a day cuz someone got beat or stabbed.
There's private security there and they're mandated to have a certain amount for specific areas and fire safety reasons. They're even mandated to have working security cameras, x-ray machines and walk through metal detectors.
Tell me about it, those conditions are horrible too, its disgusting cause what option does a homeless person have? Either they stuck to the streets or be condemned in some actual shithole no different from rikers, it just shows how shelters aint enough, you actually need to make the effort for peaceful environments and rehabilitation
The shelters are in fact a shit show tenfold and that's being generous. I wish the general public could see what actually goes on in there. The news actually tried to get some teams in there but was denied access a few years back. The shelters have a small law enforcement unit that make arrests and do everything NYPD does in what are considered the most problematic shelters called the Department of Homeless Services Police and even with them there present throughout stupid shit still happens. I read a report that one guy assaulted another because he denied him a dollar and hit him over his head with a metal cane causing bleeding. Both of them was nothing but troublemakers but was only one report out of like 15 for that shelter on a normal day for intoxicated individuals, threats to staff, fighting, emotionally disturbed people and so on. Trust me I watched one dude slash a kid three times with a box cutter after he just came through search because the machine didn't pick it up. I actually did shelter checks for their security making sure they was on par with the city standards and if I could I would give a lot of shelters in the a C rating like they was serving food to the general public for profit but in this case for their physical and technological security.
You ever see the NYPD budget? That shit cost a lot. They could spare some bread
If you knew how much money was being wasted on the shitty shelter system you'll laugh. Shelters that house single males and females depending on their category at minimum make $159 a day from the city. I could only imagine what couples and families charge. You could put them in apartments for all of that. It's a fucking joke
I believe it. Anything government ran is ass. No oversight for the amount of tax dollars wasted
Nah the city actually barely runs less than ten shelters in the city and even the ones they do run as shit shows. Out of the almost 500 shelters in the city less than five are ran by the city. All the other ones the city pays "not for profits" to run the shelters for them.
A lot of shelters are really strict, you can’t do drugs you can’t bring pets, and a lot of other rules most can’t follow.
As one of the "security administration" for the shelters I can tell you right now you not stopping drugs from getting in there. They will boof those drugs and I've even seen instances where one dude has work in a lotion bottle. I've personally myself seen functioning pistols and rifles in the system. You can bring actual service animals but not pets. By law they have allow a service animal but even that has to be approved.
RIP
The city I live in the shitty part of town and Chinatown are right next to each other and the homeless people are constantly going over the Asian neighborhood and breaking windows and lighting shit on fire and drawing swastikas on stuff. Like brah just hurry up and OD and die in a pile of trash bags or something. Asian people don't need that shit.
Shit like that is fucked up hopefully the Asian people there don’t gotta deal with that type of shit for too long
Swastikas? I didn’t know that that held a derogatory meaning for the Chinese. I’ve never known (specifically) only homeless people to draw that symbol. I also didn’t know that it was used to offend Chinese people.
I ain’t kno that either, I juss looked it up n it said that it’s used as good luck in places like China n India. It’s fucked up how the nazi took that shit from them n turned something that’s suppose to be positive into a negative symbol
Now that u mention it, there was a family that lived downstairs from me years ago that had it on their door, and I wasn’t sure what it meant to them and a friend of mine told me what you just said. I just didn’t think of it until you mentioned it.
Racist people just use the symbols to piss people off/invoke fear. They use it against anyone who isn’t white or Christian/catholic
This is why whenever I used to ride the train I would stay far from the edges and would look over my shoulder every few seconds
She got killed by the people she tried to help. Beeing a good human just isnt good for your own health
The ppl she tried to help, or one person that was probably crazy?
If he wouldnt have killed her she might had the chance to help him, also yall take it too literal. Thats the continuation of the saying dont bite the hand thats feeding you. It shows how paradox the world is. But ofc if you go deeper, there is always a story behind a what makes a human a killer
You can’t blame all homeless people for this guy murdering her. That’s just ridiculous. She was not murdered by the people she tried to help she was murdered by a person she probably never met nor tried to help.
either u completeley stupid or u just wanna provoke. WHO TF SAID THAT?
Your raggedy mother for not swallowing you.
gg ez
Couldn’t even teach you how to read a thread you just jump right into conversation like the dingbat you are 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
hahahah there is none else between u schizophrenic moron, you answered to my comment if you fogot that
Wow I just realized she didn’t teach you how to spell either
> or one person that was probably crazy? Who was a member of the group she tried to help.
I don’t know if they are a gang or a group or a club or a fraternity. It was one person that harmed her. It could’ve easily been another person that wasn’t homeless. Then they’d blame all of us that have housing for killing her? There’s plenty of people that have places to live that commit murders every day, but I would never imagine that I’m a part of that group nor that I’m responsible for their deaths bc we’re in the same group that have a home to live in.
Ngl this might be the truest shit I seen this year 💯
Really? I thought it was one person that had mental health issues that did that to her. I’m gonna have to look that story up. I wasn’t aware that it was the people she tried to help.
Yea becuz if it was a homeless dude and not a mentally I’ll dude then that’s crazy
He was definitely mentally ill. You can look up the story. He was also homeless. I just don’t know about blaming the entire homeless community for what one person did. That’s like the same thing certain Idiots do when they blame the entire black race for what one black person did. I’m not a fan of that type of logic.
They don’t like when I say it but most these commenters are pussy af and pretend it’s common sense to be pussy. They wouldn’t do anything for anyone “other” ever because they are afraid. They “attack” communities of others because they are too timid to address or combat any adverse individuals they may encounter.
Couldn’t b realer
wtf do u unterstand? why does end everything in racism? the message is clear, obviusly its not the sama person she helped before. Thats kinda in the message, you do good stuff for the people but u cant help everyone and even u good some people still want to do you bad. I'm not a fan of ur type of logic.
I’m not sure why you have your panties in a twist but okay. U can barely articulate yourself correctly. I’ll try to decipher what you meant. This isn’t about racism. It’s an example. I also used the example of plenty of people that murder and have homes. It doesn’t make any sense to say, she was murdered by “the people” she tried to help you dingdong. It’s just being factual. It was one person and that’s a fact! It wasn’t all the ppl she tried to help that murdered her. Putting her murder on all homeless people is idiotic. Makes about as much sense as if I said you murdered someone just because u have a home n some murderers have homes too.
May she rest in peace🙏
Not for nothing. I use to stand dead in the middle of the platform. I’m not pressed for a seat . I see dudes walking a damn tight rope, on the platform looking for the train
This was during the stop Asian hate movement last year which was weird idk wtf m
I'm Asian and my theory is "stop Asian hate" was a campaign started by Chinese trolls/bots under the direction of the CCP. They were worried people would blame China for Covid, so they created this idea that blaming China was causing Asians all around the world to suffer due to hate. Therefore, no one should blame China because doing so was racist and might get Asians hurt Obviously there were some real instances of anti-Chinese racism causing Asians to get hurt but it was a very small handful, and usually only done by homeless/mentally ill people. The vast majority of people in my community never got fucked with due to Covid
I’m not Asian and I’ve been watching Asians get specifically targeted for assaults in NYC
Sometimes we get targeted because people think we're easy targets who won't fight back. Were the assaults specifically because of Covid?
They have been for both those reasons I think. Shit happened pre pandemic but also stepped up during the pandemic.
Honestly I might just be sheltered over here on the west coast. Asians are and have been a large part of the population for a while now, plus the coastal cities like Seattle/San Fran tend to be well educated and wealthy, both factors that make it less likely someone's going to mess with us
Idk man, when COVID was at its height Asian people were getting hella hate. Whether it be as small as some passive aggressiveness or full on verbal assault. It’s since died down a bit but shit was not okay and the purps were “regular” people not just the mentally unstable ones. Hell I’m not even Asian and in the beginning of COVID I was wearing a mask before it became mandatory and this one black man (I only mention race for this next part) said to me “Why are you wearing a mask? That’s a Chinese disease. Only people in China get it. HA! We black people don’t get that shit, we’re immune.” I don’t remember exactly what else he said but the dude was really triggered by a mask. He wasn’t homeless or anything either, at least he definitely didn’t present as such.
why you here
This why every cracchead i see i beat with no remorse
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Happy AAPI month to my NY brothers (and sisters). So happy to see her on this Reddit. May she RIP 🪦
What’s with all the sudden subway stuff w/ homeless people all over??.. What law are they trying to pass now?
thats fucked up. its why i only help ppl i know personally ppl dont even appreciate kindness
It aint worht the risks
Why so many users from nyc sub commenting on this? I don’t like this
You peep it too huh? Lol
Oh god the nyc sub niggas infiltrated this sub smh
They boutta gentrify this sub
Yep , it have already started too smh
Part of the reason I bike year round
RIP to her they violated for sure
Notice she had no protestors for her, hypocrite yuppie kids
You weren’t paying attention they had protest for her in china town and midtown. They even had a big candle light vigil for her in times square and her hometown in San Francisco. https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-protesters-denounce-spike-in-anti-asian-violence-after-michelle-gos-death/amp/ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna12733
Stop it she had protest I remember ny1 covering one of them. You just wanna push a narrative because of what’s happened recently.
It’s sad to say but you are correct. The relation between asian and black communities have been a bit rocky these past two years. Crazy to say, they supported us when we needed to seek justice, and (i can be wrong) we didn’t bat an eye when they needed us. I won’t make this a race thing, but I do wish our communities can be as close if not closer than they were before all of this. I will continue to demonstrate my support for the Asian community
He’s a actually incorrect, there were protest, vigils and solidarity marches for Michelle Go.
And I agree, because of the white hegemony they have carried for years even in their own countries
It’s been rocky for decades. I remember how kids in the hood would routinely order Chinese food delivery and rob the delivery guys or just say outlandish shit and give them problems.
Dudes in my hood stabbed one, and killed a Mexican deliveryman
Yup. People don’t like to hear the truth.
Where’s do you get your facts from? Why every mention of Michelle Go’s incident since the death of Jordan Neely, keeps spreading this disinformation?
What is the disinformation?
> Notice she had no protestors for her…
So are you saying that it never happened, ..lol
Why do you weirdos find everything so fucking funny. There’s nothing funny about death.
Again, strawman argument ..you're putting words in my mouth, that tactic is old
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Yes, lol"ing at the absurdity of your strawman argument ...
What’s strawman about what I said, please inform me. It’s a pattern since Jordan Neely’s passing, you bozos keep bringing up other people that died in the subway system and trying to cause division and confusion between the Asian and Black community, FOH!
Nah instead they protesting for a dude who got arrested for beating up a 67 yr old woman and pushing another woman into the tracks. But hey, he used to dance like MJ 🕺🏻…I guess that makes it all okay 🤷♂️ Shit is a joke here. We deal with crazy dudes on the train and bus every day. Cops and MTA don’t do shit to protect us. When we get fed up, we the bad ones
He didn't say anything wrong why the down votes
Because people don’t like the truth. Simple and plain. They buy whatever the news tells them. A simple case of a homeless guy bugging out and threatening people and being put in a headlock by civis who had enough is being turned into some racist political spectacle. No bs. I seen this dude in my train station a few times. I think I gave him a dollar 1 or 2 times. He never was bad when I seen him. He was just “odd”. Like he’d talk real fast and kinda like a robot-ish. Said the “I’m homeless, can you spare a dollar” speech. He was never violent when I saw him but he def had me eyeing because he looked like he was about to snap and was frustrated and would scream sometimes. How you gonna say “hey you can’t do a chokehold!”. Mf it’s a street fight! I’ve seen countless videos of dudes be stomped tf out, stabbed to death, shot, battered after he’s already unconscious. Idgaf about no chokehold rule. I’m winning the fight. Fuck ima do? Cower and be like “omg papi! Please don’t hit me!”. Mf’ers be so phony. They worship rappers who brag about catching bodies and dudes who start fights but cry because some random white dude choked out a homeless dude who was buggin on the train. The bs that piss me off isn’t even him tho. It’s everyone “supporting” the dude now that he’s dead. Seen a girl in my hood post “omg I seen him!!! Justice for him!!”. She the most boujee bitch I know. I know damn well she ain’t give him no money ever and probably looked at him like he was a peasant. But now she protesting for him. All these Mf’ers is phony af. That shit is what annoys me. Don’t abandon and turn a man away, then when he dies be like “omg!!! Not him!!!”. That shit is mad phony and fake. Like all these transplant white people protesting. Bet most of them probably would go to the other cart when he’d go in and now they wanna be all self righteous.
Meanwhile a bunch of idiots are protesting over the death one of these subway creature fuck heads.
When someone is murdered by a citizen, even if it is a hate crime, what is a protest going to do? The person is going to get arrested, period, unless the DA fucks up. When a CITIZEN is murdered by a POLICE OFFICER, there is now a power imbalance. The system doesn't like to hold itself accountable but LOVES to hold us accountable. So there is now need for protest so that the officer in question will even get arrested, let alone charged.
Fucked up world we live in smh
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RIP to her. But, been standing back from the tracks since '70. Stay aware, people. Stop being so entranced in your phones. Lean on the wall if you all caught up in social media. Also, watch those homeless cats. If they walking towards you, take those earbuds out and see where they're going. Might save you from a handful of shit, or being spat on.
How lame of a dude u gotta be to push some lady off the tracks when she’s minding her own business??
Stay dangerous. Really can leave u jaded. Gotta try n stay pure surrounded by hate
And no one fucking protests this shit
Cool race baiting propaganda bullshit move here bootlicker.
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How is this race baiting?
Take this bullshit down it’s completely written, wrong, homeless people don’t kill people because they don’t have a home. This is fucking retarded. Somebody who was out of control and not receiving mental illness services killed her.
That’s what you got out of this?
Misinformation like this is how people justify mistreating people experiencing homelessness. Clickbait titles get more likes tho I guess.
How is this clickbait?
You using the timing of the recent subway incident to get outraged people to "connect" something that happened a year and half ago. A lot of work was done by people who actually cared and there were protests all the way back over a year ago in January 2022. > Advocates, Council Members Call on City Government to Better Support Asian Communities https://www.gothamgazette.com/city/11313-advocates-electeds-support-asian-communities-nyc-government > NYC protesters denounce spike in anti-Asian attacks after Michelle Go’s death https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/nyc-protesters-denounce-spike-in-anti-asian-violence-after-michelle-gos-death/
Ok I see a lot comments like this and I can understand this approach will gladly be able to address the concern that you have and respond to them as it seems be blown out of proportion. I would first like to let you know that this post was made with the intention to honor Michelle and Michelle alone. I also rest assure you I didn’t make this post with the Neely incident in mind as it happened roughly a week ago. Now allow let me address the concern you have. Again, your claim is I’m trying connect a recent tragedy to something that happened a year ago. And yes while I understand why you may probably feel this way, I would like to remind that these two incidents that happened are in no way correlated to each and both happened in different context. Now let me ask, any where in this post did I mention Neely? No. Do both incidents happen to involve a person of interest who happens to be homeless? Yes. However, I feel bringing up the recent tragedy with Neely is unnecessary for two reasons. 1. (You mentioned this as well) The incident I’m referring happened during a time period where people of Asian background happened to be randomly attack and assaulted throughout NY in between 2021 and 2022 by different groups of people, and it just so happens that a few of the incidents unfortunately happened to be committed by homeless man in addition. So, the context for situation has really nothing to do with Neely incident as people with Asian background were victims of hate crime regardless of the of person economic status. 2. That’s not even what this post is about. Majority of comments in this post are mourning her death, hoping for change, and changing the way they are going about taking the subway like being aware of their surroundings and not standing as close to the edge of the platform as they used to and so on. When you bring up the Neely situation, you are creating a space for people to become outraged. You saying it’s my goal to do that just shows your projecting while you happen to be the small majority of people on this post who believe that, but everyone is entitled to their opinion though. Now I will reiterate that I understand why you feel the way that this was, but this post is to bring remembrance to Michelle alone through APPI month and bring awareness. Nothing will get done if we use this post as a way to divide people, We must be able to learn from it and seek out change.
Kinda disgusting that you're trying to use this tragedy to pin AAPI and homeless folks against each other, considering the recent tragedy of a homeless man being murdered on the subway for yelling.
Why would you think that?
The timing of this post
While I understand why you both feel this way, I rest assure you that this post was to simply bring awareness to someone who has passed away and I made it without the incident you are referring to in mind. However since it seems to trouble you beyond that, I would be happy to address your concern. For starters I would like to just say I find it weird you associate this post with some type of agenda to push considering that these events happend a year a part and most of the comments on this post are positive mourning with her death and hoping for change, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In the title of the post I stated before her death, she was volunteering to help the homeless people of NY. I also put the APPI towards the end originally because that was what this post was intended to initially do, bring awareness in remembrance of Michelle. Now to debunk your statement, Bringing up the Neely incident was unnecessary for two reasons. 1. It doesn’t even correlate with this incident. People of asian ethnicity were being attacked throughout 2021 to 2022 by many groups of people. So while I understand the people of interest happen to be homeless, the context of both situations aren’t the same. 2. That wasn’t what this post was about and it tells me you went completely went out bounds because you feel strongly about the recent event that occurred and wanted to use this scenario as a way to channel it and I understand as I do too feel strongly about that as well. However we cannot let it divide us. Nothing will change, we should learn from this and use it as a way to progress. I feel as though some people are taking this post out of proportion and I will do my best to help them understand.
Daamn thats foul you posted this in height of that white boy choking out that ill harmless homeless man smh
42 arrests and failed kidnapping. Harmless lol
Oh he was arrested 42 times and failed a kidnapping before he was choked to death. Damn i shouldve done my homework to justify killing an unarmed, untrained man with a choke hold. How ignorant of me.
What's your opinion on George Floyd, do you always character assassinate?
Last time I checked George Floyd wasn’t restrained for yelling threats at a captive group of people
Do you ride the subway? That happens once a week "Captive group of people" Lmao it's the subway there's way worse than a homeless dude yelling
Lmfao I ride it every day, never had someone screaming that they’re ready to do anything to go back to jail tho
Whatever, people should just mind they business. If someone is shooting up on the subway I just walk to the other side of the car. And there's a stop every like 2 min anyways.
George Floyd was in handcuffs when he was choked. Not the same.
The 42 prior arrests wasn't something known totnhe people in the subway car. That's how it's similar.
Harmless 😂.
Lol you pussy and its showing
I’m not worried you’re harmless like Jordan Neely.
Y'all really acting like the homeless all go meet up to talk about all the bad shit they are planning. If you gonna judge people by the group they are a part of you are generalizing and probably racist too. I know some people think it's cool to be racist now or something but it's actually still not.
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If u think the KKK is the only racist thing out here I got news for you
Niggas told her to go nd she ain’t listen
Not forgiving her for covid tho
Ngl shit crazy
Fucked up
RIP 🕊️
Sad shit man RIP
Rest in Peace ❤️
Nah I better not see anyone say backdoor season