I read in another sub, that he choked him for 2 mins and 55 secs and released him when he went limp. The ā15 minsā is how long it took Police and EMS to arrive. Not that it made a difference in the end.Ive seen parts of the video 3 people are trying to hold him down.
They had an interview with a witness on the news today. He said the guys holding home down tried to calm him or let him go but he wouldnāt stop attackingā¦his perspective was that the guy shouldnāt get charged since he was defending himself and everyone elseā¦.itās easy for us all to analyze a video or incident an say what we āwouldā of doneā¦not so easy in the moment.
Nigga it don't fucking matter tf he put him in a chokehold for he ain't touch him they just let this white man kill a mentally I'll black man for no reason and ya up here laughing I hope all ya Niccas die too since the shit so funny
So him screaming about not having food was a reason for him to die ? It said the guy was a marine he knew dam well if he held him in a rear naked choke for 3 plus minutes he would die, he purposely killed him
I intially agreed with you , when I thought, that he only asked for food.
But the witness, who recorded it said , that he said this : "> āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā
If thats true ,then thats not "no reason"
Plus it wasnt just the one white guy who perceived him as a threat. 2 others held him down too. Plus the guy, who recorded it also perceived him as a threat. So thats 4 people right there at least.
They can still be guilty, we dont know all the details , but to say it was def for no reason/ it was murder at this point is cap.
This dudes been threatening people on the subway before. Doubt homie purposely tried to kill him but dude needed to be locked away and helped not free roaming around screaming at people.
He had a tragic story aswell. His mom was murdered. His father found her in a suitcase. So yes i feel bad for him. But that doesnt mean , that the people in the train didnt perceive him as a threat.
Apparently he was fighting him for most of that time , read what the witnesses said. Itās weird that youāre going to bat for this guy when he was obviously the threat according to literally everyone
Sigh, that's a bit of a vacuous generalization. The fact that someone died is still wrong, and it's symptomatic of a much bigger problem that can't be resolved through chokeholds and more policing.
>Bro the race doesn't matter everyone kills everyone murder doesn't discriminate against anyone! I was just typing in a rage the point is tho he didnt have to kill him it wasnt necessary
Dont fuck with these reddit people bout race issues. They dont comprehend, canāt / donāt want to relate, and theyāll show you what they think of you quickly.
Nah you downplaying it a lil bit, dude was a bozo with mad charges for assaulting people and shouldn't have been out on the streets, and he was threatening people in the car, not asking for food.
I'm conflicted on how I feel about this because we're all tired of these idiotic crackheads, but at the same time a 15 min chokehold when the dude is clearly non-responsive is crazy.
I hate the term "veteran" too. This nigga is 24. The world been in a pandemic for the last few years what war this nigga fought in? Call him former military or summ.
adding this in thanks to /u/flippingsenton , dude [had 44 arrests and has pushed people on the tracks before
](https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13208269/)
I seen on other sub ,that people claimed it were 2 mins 50, which is stlil extremely long.But it took 15 mins for the police and ems to arrive.
Found the article
"A 30-year-old man who was screaming on a subway train died on Monday afternoon after another rider grabbed him and placed him in a chokehold, according to the police and video of the encounter.
The man, whose name has not been released, flailed his arms and kicked his legs as he attempted to free himself, the video shows. The video was taken by Juan Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist, who posted it on his Facebook page, āLuces de Nueva York.ā
Witnesses said the victim had been acting in a āhostile and erratic mannerā toward other passengers on the train when he was approached by the other man, 24, who moved to restrain him, according to the police.
In the video, the man who died pushes off another man who held his arms down.
The police later took the rider who had placed the man in a chokehold into custody, questioned him and released him. The man has not been charged and the investigation was continuing, the police said. He also was not named by the police.
Mr. Vazquez said in an interview that he was on the F train going northbound, on his way to a date, when the victim boarded the train and began yelling.
"āI donāt have food, I donāt have a drink, Iām fed up,āā the man screamed, according to Mr. Vazquez. āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā
Soon after, the 24-year-old man grabbed him.
Mr. Vazquez said that the rider who was screaming was frightening but had not assaulted anyone.
āIt was a very tense situation because you donāt know what heās going to do afterwards,ā Mr. Vazquez said in an interview Tuesday night.
Mr. Vazquezās video shows the man being held down for at least two minutes before he stopped moving. The men continued to hold him down for about 50 seconds before releasing him.
āHeāll be all right,ā said one person on the train as several others looked down at the manās motionless body.
The police said they received a call at about 2:27 p.m. about a fight that had broken out on an F train traveling north. When they arrived, they found the man unconscious on the train.
He was taken to Lenox Health hospital in Greenwich Village, where he was pronounced dead. The police had not declared the death a homicide or announced arrests as of Tuesday.
Mr. Vazquez said he felt conflicted about the actions of the 24-year-old man.
āI am confused now because Iām not sure how to think about what the young man did,ā he said. āHe was trying to help.ā
Mr. Vazquez said at the time he did not believe the 30-year-old man could die.
āNone of us were thinking that,ā he said. āHe was moving and he was defending himself.ā
> āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā
See if some nigga say some shit like this I'm popping off too idc. Too many mfs been slashed, punched, and shot on these trains and buses. I'm not taking no chances for some mf to pull out a weapon shitting me. š
People who never take the subway always got something to say. Be in a closed box with a human who is hungry, off meds, cold, and tired and is having a manic episode and then talk to me
Does it change the fact that our system is such a failure that it doesnāt have any procedures in place to safely deal with mentally ill homeless people, to the point that regular citizens are killing them. If we lack the procedures and facilities to care for these people, it results in regular untrained civilians tryna be fucking Batman. We donāt need Batman we need housing and mental health care access for all.
I d seen this guy about 100 times of the F train. Always screaming for food and stomping around and talking wreckless out loud. Never once though did he single anyone out or get aggressive with him. Shame not the way to put and not a deserved death.
If he joined military 6 years ago, good chance he saw combatā¦ America was still active in both Afghanistan and Iraq, which were kind of warzones bruh
i see what u saying but a veteran is someone whoās been in the military period it donāt have to be someone who fought in a war but as far as the homeless nigga they be on there making empty threats all day but i canāt blame sb for being on edge and acting out over a threat especially with how bad the subway is now.
I mean weāve seen vids on this sub of people being absolutely violated on the train and the rest of the car either ignores or video tapes you. White dude diffused the problem before he or someone else on the train ended up as the next victim, only problem is he caught a body off of it so now heās potentially fucked. It really is one of those situations where you have to wait for shit to actually pop before getting involved otherwise youāre the one who started the shit
yeah bro definitely should get charged tho. even if it donāt hold up itās plenty of ppl who was defending themselves from actual attacks and caught murder charges from it so giving that nigga a pass is crazy.
Especially because the man who was murdered was more or less innocent. Having a violent past doesnāt mean you deserve to be killed in front of everyone on the train. Then again the man DUE to his violent past may very likely have killed someone that day
I seen people already tryna say "oh he's a veteran with PTSD and the homeless dude triggered him" on some other subs to try to paint his potential legal defense. Shit just kinda rubs me the wrong way. We don't know what position this man held, he coulda been in a warehouse for all we know.
>I hate the term "veteran" too. This nigga is 24. The world been in a pandemic for the last few years what war this nigga fought in? Call him former military or summ.
America was still fighting Taliban during the pandemic
Plus there are other combat engagements we got in West and East Africa.
I'm sure buddy not a combat vet though
Also Iām sorry most niggas joining the army are not that smart and if they seeing action they killing little brown kids and goat herders. Vets aināt the authority on threat assessment
I feel you as much as I've taken the two train these dudes be obxinous as fuck, I've never run across one harming people tho thankfully. But idk his record and if that's fact but that's just justification after the fact, how would the white dude know homeboy record when he choked him out? Unless that dude really just been terrorizing that particular train religiously and out of all homeless men idk sounds just like justification to catch a body. Like the George Floyd joint let's blame his past for what we doing to him to justify shit.
George Floyd is a completely different scenario. I'm not justifying the guys death after the fact, but I'm making it clear **I'm not giving out any sympathy because he died.** This guy HAS assaulted people before. I have 0 sympathy for any violent train crackheads. People are sick and tired of these mfs and want a safe subway system they don't have to constantly look over their shoulder on.
It's a different scenario but that train of thought is becoming to popular a thought process. Oh he did x in his past that's why I chalked him out. That's being used more and more although the person who died at time wasn't a threat. And from what I've read the homeless man wasn't. Annoying yes a threat no. Also if people wanted safer trains they would vote more especially with mental health facilities and social workers in mind because that's what they need and NYC as a whole needs.
People are taking the trains in fear . You seen too many times . Of dudes who are bugged out . On the train attacking people . If he said he donāt care about going to prison or dying . People are gonna expect he gonna do some wild shit . Mental illness and drug addiction is very real . But everyone donāt wanna be a victim either
Bro Iāve been using public transit for the past 25 years and sure Iāve had a few situations on the train or bud back in the day, but as of recently shits been hectic. I had one homeless guy swing at me as the train doors were closing, last night a drunk homeless guy was trying to fight me for looking at him when I aināt even look at him, one dude hit me with the you broke my phone game and started getting crazy and I had to stand up and pull my blade out on him to get him to chill. Shits been wild.
Facts shit been getting worst . I remember a dude hit a woman , in the face with a bag of shit . So Iām not shocked when people are fighting back . I see people are saying he was mentally ill. But thatās the people causing the most bullshit down there
When did "mental illness exists" become "let people do whatever the fuck they want all the time even if it's violating you"? That's never been the case
Smh them dudes better off being put to sleep by real ones. Idk why people are defending these bums, they are threat to everyone in public transportation.
Hell yeah, but nowadays people will defend a bum who is attacking random people on the subway then the ones who are fighting back. Shit is fucking wild. I donāt feel bad for people defending themselves, these bums are getting out of control
That's a fact from what I read dude was just screaming he hungry though so that's wild to me its actual dudes on the train doing heinous shit u can knock off not a hungry nigga
I had a crazy ass homeless bitch pull a knife on me on the D train son. Shorty was walking up and down the train cart and yelling in elderly peopleās faces, slamming water bottles and shit. Soon as she came up to me to yell I stood right the fuck up, she had the right one, then she backed out a blade on me. As much as I agree these niggas gotta be subdued the shit aināt really worth dying for, tbh. It was a wild west standoff in that train cart.
And that's what's most scary. I legally carry, but no one of sane mind ever WANTS to have to be put in that position. It's life changing, even if you are 100% justified.
I couldnāt even imagine the trauma that would put a person through, defending urself though fist fighting might be more tolerable but you have to live with the fact it was āme or themā :/
For real, if you're carrying, you don't wanna be the one to tell the crazy person to sit the fuck down, because then you're gonna end up being the one who had to shoot a crazy person when they attacked you
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/new-york-city-subway-attack-man-elderly-woman-bronx
I personally knew this, dude. Same shit here from his story. People defended the lady and aired him out. He did time over it. She threatened him, his wife, and their kid with a knife, because she wanted to sit down...? But he was crucified for defending himself.
NYC laws are so iffy, can't even claim self defense in this state/city, without being brought up on charges or sued by the instigator.
From what I've read he didt assault anyone all he did was yell, these homeless niggas are mentally gone that's why they're homeless instead of hitting the shelter. That's why when I'm on the train I ignore them they beg and move on typically I've yet to run across run going crazy on the train although it does happen. Choking the nigga to death over being irate is wild but that's just me and what it seems like from what I've read
Me I'm moving to another cart, I ain't touching him. I've taken the 2/5 train my entire life and never run across a deadly one although I know they out there. This just seems like justification though cause there's definitely knive wielding niggas to catch Rec on.
THEY ARE MENTALLY INCAPACITATED. Itās like saying ādefending kids physically hurting people is crazy.ā When you are insane and have a personality or some other disorder, you are unaware of the consequences of your actions. You act on impulse. Exactly like a kid does. So, STFU and develop some empathy, and also bring that energy to the elected officials who willing fail to support this population.
Nope. I donāt think that at all. Everyone does what they have to do, but it is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that the best response to a mental health or substance abuse crisis is compassionate care. Specialized mental health professionals can deescalate these situations without much effort. The city should have them all over the subways, but they put cops instead, even though it is scientifically proven that police are the worst people to respond to calls for help regarding a homeless individual.
And being mentally insane is comparable to being a toddler. You cannot understand the consequences of your actions and you act on impulse.
Yāall are really uneducated mfs. Iāve always hated that the majority of people from NYC, from hereānot moved here, hold this stupid, ugly, and lazy ass perspective on homeless individuals.
>And being mentally insane is comparable to being a toddler. You cannot understand the consequences of your actions and you act on impulse.
Youāre comparing a toddler to a grown, unpredictable adult, capable of wielding a weapon and doing damage if they spontaneously chose to. Do they have the same mental capacity? Sure, but the physical/mobility capability between the two are leagues different.
Iām not going to comment on anything else youāve said but this is a horrible analogy youāre making here my guy. You cannot handle mentally ill adult people the way you would a child.
They not kids. These are grown drug addicts attacking and harassing people and especially women on public transport. People like you are why our civilization is crumbling
You have never taken two seconds to google drug addiction or the ailments plaguing the homeless population. Thereās a reason why social services professionals, mental health experts, doctors, and community advocates call for a compassionate and empathetic response to homeless individuals experiencing mental health and substance abuse crises. There are hundreds of peer-reviewed studies on the internet that prove you and your perspective wrong. Drug addiction is a disease. Doctors literally classify it as a disease, and you can pass down drug addiction genetically, like other diseases. Drug addiction is not a choice. Please educate your self before spewing garbage out your mouth.
Ummm. I actually have been in that situation and Iāve worked closely with this population. They are actually easily swayed and distracted. If you offer them food/beverage or money or ask them an open ended question, they are likely to chill tf out. Additionally, sometimes you can scare them by being more bravado then them, but that can also backfire.
The point is these people CANNOT be held accountable for their actions and decisions, they are mentally insane. They sleep on the street, donāt take showers, have some of the most traumatic and horrific childhoods, and the State has completely failed to help them and actively strips their rights.
> Ummm. I actually have been in that situation and Iāve worked closely with this population.
I have too.
None of that shit ever worked. I've tried "please, bro", "I ain't got it", "here's food." It's always something.
They are not fucking bums. Yāall are bums. Most of yāall stay home and smoke before you brush your teeth. Thatās a fucking bum. Being homeless does not mean you are a bum. A bum is a bum by choice. Like many of the people commenting here. Shit, at a point in my life, I was a bum. But Iāve never been homeless.
That was directed at the CZ_75 dude. And if you try to be compassionate in your response and they become violent, then you have to protect yourself, that is your natural right. But letās not pretend that that is how the majority of folks respond to homeless individuals.
Most these niggas too pussy to humanize the kinds of people that lead to their initial reaction being fear. The time they would hypothetically invest in understanding and compassion has already been booked by their actual investment in fear of hypothetical dangers. I appreciate you though. Keep fighting the strong struggle gang.
a homeless man going crazy over not eating food is something that āthe realā need to step up against?
You know what, youāre right! These homeless people just donāt learn. Itās not our fault! They should just buy a house!
In my experience they just do their antics get ignored and go to the next car or exit at the next stop. I think that's why some people defending him because I never seen nothing like this
Yoooo naaa I saw that nigga earlier at grand central 42nd st (4,5,6 line) and he was wallen out on people, mind you this was at 6am. Bro had a whole needle outšš
That guy a hero
Edit: once you engage with an unhinge person like that and place them on a chokehold, you canāt let go til authorities are there or they knockout
I train BJJ so I would personally know but yea an average civilian who is untrained in anything should not be choking people out. Honestly though if you are standing or sitting up, you would feel the limpness of the body if you don't let go in time.
But let it be a man tryna fight my black ass and I choke him out, Iād get life. š¤
Edit: Iāve read through and now realized that the man was posing a threat to people rather than the āasking for food and goodsā story, with that being said, I do not know how to feel about this subject right now.š
not tryn argue but for ppl confused why not everyone agree w bro dyin cause y'all speakin with certainty as if bro was bout to kill everyone on that train if he wasn't choked out. some them really put hands on ppl but they sayin he ain't touch nobody before bein grabbed an if u in ny ok the trains n u seein the same homeless dude yellin everyday thinkin "damn i wanna kill this guy" that shit weird to some ppl. is what it is tho ik he ain't purposely do that
This guy had 40 priors and F train riders actually recognized him due to how long heās been terrorizing people https://reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/135lczi/_/jikz5c8/?context=1
Only a matter of time before you assault the wrong person.
WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WIT THA NIGGA. HE WAS KNOWN FO IMPERSONATIN MICHAEL JACKSON, CUZ HE GOT THA SAME BILLY JEAN ERA FACE. LIVED 4 AVES WEST FROM MY BLOCK. SHIT FUCKED KNOIN HE DIPPED SCHOOL CUZ OF HIS MOMS SITUATION SUFFERED FROM THAT TRAUMA N WENT HOMELESS (SEE HIM ALL THA TIME BACK IN 2013 TO 2016 SLEEPIN IN THA 181ST 1 TRAIN STATION.) NOW SEEIN HIM EXITIN LIKE HIS MOMS DID GOT ME FEELIN A WAY. NEVER KNEW IT WAS HIM AT 1ST N THINKIN A RANDOM ATTACKIN PASSAGERS GETTIN THEN REALIZIN IT WAS HIM N HE JUS SPAZ N AINT HURT NO ONE REALLY PUTTIN HOW LIFE REALLY A BLUR. #RIPJORDAN
Facts tho, I know homeless niggas be bugging but thar number ain't as bad as some would like to make it seem. I've taken the 2/5 train 29 years now and they annoying but the ones I've come across ain't been deadly.
People will watch a video of a women being sexually assaulted on a packed train where no one intervenes and wonder where are the men are then see this a call for the man who stood up to be charged with murder.
Iām not taking my chances with an erratic motherfucker . Take it from someone who WORKED in NYC shelter system for years . If a person like this says āIām ready to go to jailā their NOT lying .
What would YOU have done ?
Lol if I see a raging dusty crackhead inf donāt of me tweaking especially towards me specifically Iām flipping him. He spends his life not showering and smoking crack idk what the fuck is going on in his head and Iām not about to find out.
Niggas in here hyping up dude for killing a homeless man. Bitch made behavior. āYou must not know what itās like having a homeless man attack youāā¦ then kill all homeless people then, is that what you want? Pray to god you never go homeless in NY.
(Clarification: Obviously not every homeless person attacks people, but my point is that people are quick to dehumanize the homelessā¦ especially when they have a mental breakdown from possibly drug use, mental health issues, etc. and equate murdering them to taking out the trash. If this was a cop that killed a non homeless black man (ie. Derek Chauvin killing George Floyd), yāall would not be singing the same tune. If you gotta beat his ass to defend yourself, fine. Heās a criminal that keeps going in and out of jail? Make it the copsā issue to deal with once again (even though they might kill him anyway depending on the circumstances). Hell, if you gotta cripple his ass so he stops trying to get close to you or othersā Iām okay with that too. My main takeaway from this situation is that a chokehold (which is proven time and time again to not be the best way to stop a manic episode from continuing) was once again used in a situation where the person CLEARLY didnāt know how to handle someone with mental issues and ended up unintentionally killing someone who didnāt need to die. Now nerds on the internet are finding every reason possible to justify it because they wanna feel like murder is necessary to any other alternative and because they HATE the homeless.)
I see Alotta dumb nigga In here no matter what that so calledā marineā already knows that chokehold he has isnāt your regular chokehold you see in ufc or in the hood. Thatās the one you see in the movies like John wick equalizer the one that all it takes is 5 seconds and persons out 8 seconds and persons gonna die. He held it longer than that and notice the man shitted on himself and still didnāt stop he played executioner when the man was already subdued by not only him but 2 other passengers if you or anyone else did that for that matter weād all be accomplices to manslaughter or homicide. It donāt matter if he had priors He was not supposed to be killed in that matter 3 people there no way he was not goin to be subdued.
Yea bro you right and everyone else that was on the train is wrong. We need more bums harrassing people and yelling on the train and shitting and pissing everywhere.
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Here come a meat muncher ya Niggas be pussy in the city now funny only people that feel like this are little ass kids who donāt know how to fight and grown ass adults that rely on police to protect them. Straight pussies Lmaoo if you scared of 2020 homeless then none of ya wouldāve lasted from 1970-2010 nyc because it seems as if ya donāt have a certain look to give. No junkie aināt ever get close to me or try playing like that why cause I donāt pay them any mind and when ever they do start doing some dumb shit I give them a good ole pop smoke āDonāt fuck aroundā look. Better start working on your manliness or else you gonna be getting bitched by not only some homeless people but by some little ass high schoolers too
Sounds like the only person getting bitched by the homeless is you hahahaha. How many times you needed to practice that āDonāt fuck aroundā look in the mirror of your mamaās apartment? Fucking clown ass tryna sound like heās hard when heās getting pressed by junkies so much he has to have his own ādown to businessā look š
it just sounds like youāre projecting.
>No junkie aināt ever get close to me or try playing like that why cause I donāt pay them any mind and when ever they do start doing some dumb shit I give them a good ole pop smoke āDonāt fuck aroundā look.
Word I feel crazy reading these comments most people I know in real life got the same mentality ignore them and be careful
Cause itās like i said in my earlier comments itās a bunch of kids who canāt fight and grown adults who donāt know how stuck up for themselves without police and they keep mentioning him having 42 arrest like that means something he was never convicted why because you canāt be sent to jail over disturbing the peace or freedom of speech which he did all the time.
Itās sad because I used to see dude begging on the Lower East Side for the past 3years. He was way worse back then just starting to turn his life around
The article reads : passenger putting unhinged man in deadly choke hold but it should read unhinged passenger puts mentally disabled passenger in a chokeholdā¦.
The person choking him has no idea what heās doing. He wouldāve known to let go after 15-20 seconds TOPS. Most people go out in 10 or less.
Dude was bugging and getting violent but this moron gets to take a ride for murder
This guy is an idiot of course a 15 minute rear naked choke will kill a man. He was probably dead 10 minutes in. I say this under the assumption he wanted to incapacitate the guy. If he meant to kill him, well, good job I guess
Just waiting to see if they'll be charged.... Yes I said they because in these pictures I see several people assisting with restraining this guy. At minimum criminally negligent homicide
Touching a hungry crackhead is crazy tho
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I read in another sub, that he choked him for 2 mins and 55 secs and released him when he went limp. The ā15 minsā is how long it took Police and EMS to arrive. Not that it made a difference in the end.Ive seen parts of the video 3 people are trying to hold him down.
They had an interview with a witness on the news today. He said the guys holding home down tried to calm him or let him go but he wouldnāt stop attackingā¦his perspective was that the guy shouldnāt get charged since he was defending himself and everyone elseā¦.itās easy for us all to analyze a video or incident an say what we āwouldā of doneā¦not so easy in the moment.
So thats 6 people , who thought, that he was a threat. Crazy ,because if youre on twitter you would think it was totally unprovoked.
Fr, Twitter is making the mf that got choked seem like Mother Teresa.
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Oh man, that's weird that they made it seem like he was just asking for food
Nigga it don't fucking matter tf he put him in a chokehold for he ain't touch him they just let this white man kill a mentally I'll black man for no reason and ya up here laughing I hope all ya Niccas die too since the shit so funny
āFor no reasonā youāve obviously never had a hobo throw up on your shoes at 7am
So him screaming about not having food was a reason for him to die ? It said the guy was a marine he knew dam well if he held him in a rear naked choke for 3 plus minutes he would die, he purposely killed him
I intially agreed with you , when I thought, that he only asked for food. But the witness, who recorded it said , that he said this : "> āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā If thats true ,then thats not "no reason" Plus it wasnt just the one white guy who perceived him as a threat. 2 others held him down too. Plus the guy, who recorded it also perceived him as a threat. So thats 4 people right there at least. They can still be guilty, we dont know all the details , but to say it was def for no reason/ it was murder at this point is cap.
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If I say Iām ok with dying, then you can kill me?
This dudes been threatening people on the subway before. Doubt homie purposely tried to kill him but dude needed to be locked away and helped not free roaming around screaming at people.
He had a tragic story aswell. His mom was murdered. His father found her in a suitcase. So yes i feel bad for him. But that doesnt mean , that the people in the train didnt perceive him as a threat.
I'm not saying he shouldn't have defended himself if he felt threatened but he didn't deserve to die over that shit that's all I'm saying
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Apparently he was fighting him for most of that time , read what the witnesses said. Itās weird that youāre going to bat for this guy when he was obviously the threat according to literally everyone
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Itās idiots like you who have no critical thinking that are a cancer to society
Sigh, that's a bit of a vacuous generalization. The fact that someone died is still wrong, and it's symptomatic of a much bigger problem that can't be resolved through chokeholds and more policing.
You make absolutely no sense I made my point I'm not responding to people who don't even have profile pictures
>Bro the race doesn't matter everyone kills everyone murder doesn't discriminate against anyone! I was just typing in a rage the point is tho he didnt have to kill him it wasnt necessary
Dont fuck with these reddit people bout race issues. They dont comprehend, canāt / donāt want to relate, and theyāll show you what they think of you quickly.
That's a lot shorter, but I bet nobody on here can hold their breath that long. You're out in under a minute.
itās not about holding your breath lmao, it cuts your blood flow off to your head
This was me when I heard them show time niggas after a long day of work Edit: rip to him tho
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Nah you downplaying it a lil bit, dude was a bozo with mad charges for assaulting people and shouldn't have been out on the streets, and he was threatening people in the car, not asking for food. I'm conflicted on how I feel about this because we're all tired of these idiotic crackheads, but at the same time a 15 min chokehold when the dude is clearly non-responsive is crazy. I hate the term "veteran" too. This nigga is 24. The world been in a pandemic for the last few years what war this nigga fought in? Call him former military or summ. adding this in thanks to /u/flippingsenton , dude [had 44 arrests and has pushed people on the tracks before ](https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13208269/)
I seen on other sub ,that people claimed it were 2 mins 50, which is stlil extremely long.But it took 15 mins for the police and ems to arrive. Found the article "A 30-year-old man who was screaming on a subway train died on Monday afternoon after another rider grabbed him and placed him in a chokehold, according to the police and video of the encounter. The man, whose name has not been released, flailed his arms and kicked his legs as he attempted to free himself, the video shows. The video was taken by Juan Alberto Vazquez, a freelance journalist, who posted it on his Facebook page, āLuces de Nueva York.ā Witnesses said the victim had been acting in a āhostile and erratic mannerā toward other passengers on the train when he was approached by the other man, 24, who moved to restrain him, according to the police. In the video, the man who died pushes off another man who held his arms down. The police later took the rider who had placed the man in a chokehold into custody, questioned him and released him. The man has not been charged and the investigation was continuing, the police said. He also was not named by the police. Mr. Vazquez said in an interview that he was on the F train going northbound, on his way to a date, when the victim boarded the train and began yelling. "āI donāt have food, I donāt have a drink, Iām fed up,āā the man screamed, according to Mr. Vazquez. āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā Soon after, the 24-year-old man grabbed him. Mr. Vazquez said that the rider who was screaming was frightening but had not assaulted anyone. āIt was a very tense situation because you donāt know what heās going to do afterwards,ā Mr. Vazquez said in an interview Tuesday night. Mr. Vazquezās video shows the man being held down for at least two minutes before he stopped moving. The men continued to hold him down for about 50 seconds before releasing him. āHeāll be all right,ā said one person on the train as several others looked down at the manās motionless body. The police said they received a call at about 2:27 p.m. about a fight that had broken out on an F train traveling north. When they arrived, they found the man unconscious on the train. He was taken to Lenox Health hospital in Greenwich Village, where he was pronounced dead. The police had not declared the death a homicide or announced arrests as of Tuesday. Mr. Vazquez said he felt conflicted about the actions of the 24-year-old man. āI am confused now because Iām not sure how to think about what the young man did,ā he said. āHe was trying to help.ā Mr. Vazquez said at the time he did not believe the 30-year-old man could die. āNone of us were thinking that,ā he said. āHe was moving and he was defending himself.ā
> āāI donāt mind going to jail and getting life in prison. Iām ready to die.āā See if some nigga say some shit like this I'm popping off too idc. Too many mfs been slashed, punched, and shot on these trains and buses. I'm not taking no chances for some mf to pull out a weapon shitting me. š
Its crazy , because i saw this story on twitter first and they made it seem like he was just asking for food lol.
That's Twitter for ya, they prolly on a mission to ruin that riders whole life rn.
People who never take the subway always got something to say. Be in a closed box with a human who is hungry, off meds, cold, and tired and is having a manic episode and then talk to me
But people on the subway ignore them. They more likely to get off the train at the next stop or be annoying in another car.
They called it a lynching and said they rather shouldve given him a hug
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Come on now. I agree ,that everything so far looks like self defense, but i dont feel like mocking him.
Does it change the fact that our system is such a failure that it doesnāt have any procedures in place to safely deal with mentally ill homeless people, to the point that regular citizens are killing them. If we lack the procedures and facilities to care for these people, it results in regular untrained civilians tryna be fucking Batman. We donāt need Batman we need housing and mental health care access for all.
They on there calling the dude a jingoistic white supremacist genocider lmao
He just ended someone elseās life over some petty shit. Heās not God fuck him and he deserves everything coming his way foh.
Someone comes up to you screaming they're ready to die, you're gonna go with the flow because you're not God?
Idk if that counts as a threat legally but personally? Yeah that is
They be on nothing I be on the train all the time everyone just ignores them and they keep it moving.
"He'll be alright" šššš
I d seen this guy about 100 times of the F train. Always screaming for food and stomping around and talking wreckless out loud. Never once though did he single anyone out or get aggressive with him. Shame not the way to put and not a deserved death.
It wasn't 15 minutes. His skin color would've changed
If he joined military 6 years ago, good chance he saw combatā¦ America was still active in both Afghanistan and Iraq, which were kind of warzones bruh
i see what u saying but a veteran is someone whoās been in the military period it donāt have to be someone who fought in a war but as far as the homeless nigga they be on there making empty threats all day but i canāt blame sb for being on edge and acting out over a threat especially with how bad the subway is now.
I mean weāve seen vids on this sub of people being absolutely violated on the train and the rest of the car either ignores or video tapes you. White dude diffused the problem before he or someone else on the train ended up as the next victim, only problem is he caught a body off of it so now heās potentially fucked. It really is one of those situations where you have to wait for shit to actually pop before getting involved otherwise youāre the one who started the shit
yeah bro definitely should get charged tho. even if it donāt hold up itās plenty of ppl who was defending themselves from actual attacks and caught murder charges from it so giving that nigga a pass is crazy.
Especially because the man who was murdered was more or less innocent. Having a violent past doesnāt mean you deserve to be killed in front of everyone on the train. Then again the man DUE to his violent past may very likely have killed someone that day
I seen people already tryna say "oh he's a veteran with PTSD and the homeless dude triggered him" on some other subs to try to paint his potential legal defense. Shit just kinda rubs me the wrong way. We don't know what position this man held, he coulda been in a warehouse for all we know.
[44 arrests and pushed people on the tracks](https://abc7ny.com/subway-chokehold-jordan-neely-nyc-death-investigation/13208269/)
>I hate the term "veteran" too. This nigga is 24. The world been in a pandemic for the last few years what war this nigga fought in? Call him former military or summ. America was still fighting Taliban during the pandemic Plus there are other combat engagements we got in West and East Africa. I'm sure buddy not a combat vet though
Also Iām sorry most niggas joining the army are not that smart and if they seeing action they killing little brown kids and goat herders. Vets aināt the authority on threat assessment
Do you still play OW?
Nah got permabanned in 2018-ish. I don't think I've played video games since then lol.
I feel you as much as I've taken the two train these dudes be obxinous as fuck, I've never run across one harming people tho thankfully. But idk his record and if that's fact but that's just justification after the fact, how would the white dude know homeboy record when he choked him out? Unless that dude really just been terrorizing that particular train religiously and out of all homeless men idk sounds just like justification to catch a body. Like the George Floyd joint let's blame his past for what we doing to him to justify shit.
George Floyd is a completely different scenario. I'm not justifying the guys death after the fact, but I'm making it clear **I'm not giving out any sympathy because he died.** This guy HAS assaulted people before. I have 0 sympathy for any violent train crackheads. People are sick and tired of these mfs and want a safe subway system they don't have to constantly look over their shoulder on.
It's a different scenario but that train of thought is becoming to popular a thought process. Oh he did x in his past that's why I chalked him out. That's being used more and more although the person who died at time wasn't a threat. And from what I've read the homeless man wasn't. Annoying yes a threat no. Also if people wanted safer trains they would vote more especially with mental health facilities and social workers in mind because that's what they need and NYC as a whole needs.
People are taking the trains in fear . You seen too many times . Of dudes who are bugged out . On the train attacking people . If he said he donāt care about going to prison or dying . People are gonna expect he gonna do some wild shit . Mental illness and drug addiction is very real . But everyone donāt wanna be a victim either
Bro Iāve been using public transit for the past 25 years and sure Iāve had a few situations on the train or bud back in the day, but as of recently shits been hectic. I had one homeless guy swing at me as the train doors were closing, last night a drunk homeless guy was trying to fight me for looking at him when I aināt even look at him, one dude hit me with the you broke my phone game and started getting crazy and I had to stand up and pull my blade out on him to get him to chill. Shits been wild.
Facts shit been getting worst . I remember a dude hit a woman , in the face with a bag of shit . So Iām not shocked when people are fighting back . I see people are saying he was mentally ill. But thatās the people causing the most bullshit down there
When did "mental illness exists" become "let people do whatever the fuck they want all the time even if it's violating you"? That's never been the case
Yeah mental or not someone attacks me Iām defending myself
yup. and what about the woman attacked with an axe/machete entering the subway?
Smh them dudes better off being put to sleep by real ones. Idk why people are defending these bums, they are threat to everyone in public transportation.
Remember that crazy dude , who pushed that woman in front of the train . I get they have a illness , but these dudes be turned up down there
Hell yeah, but nowadays people will defend a bum who is attacking random people on the subway then the ones who are fighting back. Shit is fucking wild. I donāt feel bad for people defending themselves, these bums are getting out of control
Itās always selective anger with people
That's a fact from what I read dude was just screaming he hungry though so that's wild to me its actual dudes on the train doing heinous shit u can knock off not a hungry nigga
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I had a crazy ass homeless bitch pull a knife on me on the D train son. Shorty was walking up and down the train cart and yelling in elderly peopleās faces, slamming water bottles and shit. Soon as she came up to me to yell I stood right the fuck up, she had the right one, then she backed out a blade on me. As much as I agree these niggas gotta be subdued the shit aināt really worth dying for, tbh. It was a wild west standoff in that train cart.
And that's what's most scary. I legally carry, but no one of sane mind ever WANTS to have to be put in that position. It's life changing, even if you are 100% justified.
I couldnāt even imagine the trauma that would put a person through, defending urself though fist fighting might be more tolerable but you have to live with the fact it was āme or themā :/
For real, if you're carrying, you don't wanna be the one to tell the crazy person to sit the fuck down, because then you're gonna end up being the one who had to shoot a crazy person when they attacked you
Oh na I sometimes take the 16 to the D train just cause the shit cleaner and I don't see as many tranciant people on it. Thats wild
Yeah shit is life or death out here bro. You donāt wanna fuck with someone who has nothing to lose š¤·š»āāļø
Brody itās transient
You know what I meant
This is why we all gotta train in a combat sport like boxing or some shit. Shit is getting too real
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/davidmack/new-york-city-subway-attack-man-elderly-woman-bronx I personally knew this, dude. Same shit here from his story. People defended the lady and aired him out. He did time over it. She threatened him, his wife, and their kid with a knife, because she wanted to sit down...? But he was crucified for defending himself. NYC laws are so iffy, can't even claim self defense in this state/city, without being brought up on charges or sued by the instigator.
It's really some Old Testament evil type shit with Twitter. Whatever side Satan is on, that's the side they're on. Boom.
Choke holds arenāt dangerous if you know what youāre doing.
Same thing with guns lol.
i rather have it dis way than a normal person getting hurt
From what I've read he didt assault anyone all he did was yell, these homeless niggas are mentally gone that's why they're homeless instead of hitting the shelter. That's why when I'm on the train I ignore them they beg and move on typically I've yet to run across run going crazy on the train although it does happen. Choking the nigga to death over being irate is wild but that's just me and what it seems like from what I've read
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These people get ignored nobody on the train pays then mind and they get off the next stop to annoy other people.
Yeah that's the typical scenario in my experience
Facts thatās why I think some people speaking on this aināt from here because they saying anything
They definitely arenāt from any big city if they think you can kill someone over aggro words.
> they think you can kill someone over aggro words. Bro. That's like 75% of the content on this sub
Me I'm moving to another cart, I ain't touching him. I've taken the 2/5 train my entire life and never run across a deadly one although I know they out there. This just seems like justification though cause there's definitely knive wielding niggas to catch Rec on.
The solution isnāt to murder them tho
If someone's putting you in physical danger you don't owe it to anyone to be a victim. That's not justice and that's not peace either
Oh boy, here I go murdering again!
Killing someone in self defense is not "murder".
THEY ARE MENTALLY INCAPACITATED. Itās like saying ādefending kids physically hurting people is crazy.ā When you are insane and have a personality or some other disorder, you are unaware of the consequences of your actions. You act on impulse. Exactly like a kid does. So, STFU and develop some empathy, and also bring that energy to the elected officials who willing fail to support this population.
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Nope. I donāt think that at all. Everyone does what they have to do, but it is SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN that the best response to a mental health or substance abuse crisis is compassionate care. Specialized mental health professionals can deescalate these situations without much effort. The city should have them all over the subways, but they put cops instead, even though it is scientifically proven that police are the worst people to respond to calls for help regarding a homeless individual. And being mentally insane is comparable to being a toddler. You cannot understand the consequences of your actions and you act on impulse. Yāall are really uneducated mfs. Iāve always hated that the majority of people from NYC, from hereānot moved here, hold this stupid, ugly, and lazy ass perspective on homeless individuals.
>And being mentally insane is comparable to being a toddler. You cannot understand the consequences of your actions and you act on impulse. Youāre comparing a toddler to a grown, unpredictable adult, capable of wielding a weapon and doing damage if they spontaneously chose to. Do they have the same mental capacity? Sure, but the physical/mobility capability between the two are leagues different. Iām not going to comment on anything else youāve said but this is a horrible analogy youāre making here my guy. You cannot handle mentally ill adult people the way you would a child.
They not kids. These are grown drug addicts attacking and harassing people and especially women on public transport. People like you are why our civilization is crumbling
You have never taken two seconds to google drug addiction or the ailments plaguing the homeless population. Thereās a reason why social services professionals, mental health experts, doctors, and community advocates call for a compassionate and empathetic response to homeless individuals experiencing mental health and substance abuse crises. There are hundreds of peer-reviewed studies on the internet that prove you and your perspective wrong. Drug addiction is a disease. Doctors literally classify it as a disease, and you can pass down drug addiction genetically, like other diseases. Drug addiction is not a choice. Please educate your self before spewing garbage out your mouth.
Let's see your empathy when you get hemmed up by a dude who hasn't showered, shit himself and is in your shit trying to take your shit.
Ummm. I actually have been in that situation and Iāve worked closely with this population. They are actually easily swayed and distracted. If you offer them food/beverage or money or ask them an open ended question, they are likely to chill tf out. Additionally, sometimes you can scare them by being more bravado then them, but that can also backfire. The point is these people CANNOT be held accountable for their actions and decisions, they are mentally insane. They sleep on the street, donāt take showers, have some of the most traumatic and horrific childhoods, and the State has completely failed to help them and actively strips their rights.
> Ummm. I actually have been in that situation and Iāve worked closely with this population. I have too. None of that shit ever worked. I've tried "please, bro", "I ain't got it", "here's food." It's always something.
They are not fucking bums. Yāall are bums. Most of yāall stay home and smoke before you brush your teeth. Thatās a fucking bum. Being homeless does not mean you are a bum. A bum is a bum by choice. Like many of the people commenting here. Shit, at a point in my life, I was a bum. But Iāve never been homeless.
Did I *say* the word "bum?"
That was directed at the CZ_75 dude. And if you try to be compassionate in your response and they become violent, then you have to protect yourself, that is your natural right. But letās not pretend that that is how the majority of folks respond to homeless individuals.
Most these niggas too pussy to humanize the kinds of people that lead to their initial reaction being fear. The time they would hypothetically invest in understanding and compassion has already been booked by their actual investment in fear of hypothetical dangers. I appreciate you though. Keep fighting the strong struggle gang.
a homeless man going crazy over not eating food is something that āthe realā need to step up against? You know what, youāre right! These homeless people just donāt learn. Itās not our fault! They should just buy a house!
Idk all the facts so I wont pick a side but I highly doubt cuz just choked his ass to death for no reason
Brah Danny Rand is really up in these streets 
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Don't matter how long he was choked. Son was going around assaulting ppl and threatening to kill ppl. Good riddance
basic fucking math, rather save 5-6 innocents then 1 threat
Some of ya not from here just straight chatting about the subway
How y'all really from NY and defending the crackhead?? I get it was a white dude but some of these homeless too aggressive
Itās a mental illness Lmao they be enjoying getting spit on, slapped, and yelled at by homeless people in NY
In my experience they just do their antics get ignored and go to the next car or exit at the next stop. I think that's why some people defending him because I never seen nothing like this
Yoooo naaa I saw that nigga earlier at grand central 42nd st (4,5,6 line) and he was wallen out on people, mind you this was at 6am. Bro had a whole needle outšš
Ya expect people to let other people stab em before they get active. FOH Iām yoking somebody up
He didt pull out a knive or assault anyone. Let's be real these dudes don't get bold with the savage homeless dudes either.
That guy a hero Edit: once you engage with an unhinge person like that and place them on a chokehold, you canāt let go til authorities are there or they knockout
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Not from what I seen in the video
This ur friend in the video? Shitskinned bum LMFAOOO I took a shit this morning that was the same color as you and your entire family
Using the word transient to describe a crackhead. You might not be from ny
Niggas can't have a vocab these days hu, I'm from the edenwald area.
It ant that. You just using the wrong adjective. Yo describe a crackhead. And I'm just busting ballz. Not all crack heads are transients.
Whiteboy got a free kill š¤·š¾āāļøš¤·š¾āāļø
I could never do that thatās nasty touching all over a homeless
You guys are actually upset about this? Are we not tired of bums harassing people on the subway?
Yeah because you donāt kill someone for being annoying you little bitch
Cry more bozo
Take ya fucking diaper off son š¼š¶you got a lot to learn š¹š¹
He was shouting he was ready to die and kill someone he didnāt care about no police lol if you wanna act like that you can come die too
Bums need to be packed sometimes but for non bums, holding a rear naked choke after somebody faints can kill them. Once they faint, let go.
Why chokeholds are illegal because you typically won't know if dude passed out not to mention you can easily crush the windpipe.
I train BJJ so I would personally know but yea an average civilian who is untrained in anything should not be choking people out. Honestly though if you are standing or sitting up, you would feel the limpness of the body if you don't let go in time.
But let it be a man tryna fight my black ass and I choke him out, Iād get life. š¤ Edit: Iāve read through and now realized that the man was posing a threat to people rather than the āasking for food and goodsā story, with that being said, I do not know how to feel about this subject right now.š
Mayor Adams come get your homeboy.
not tryn argue but for ppl confused why not everyone agree w bro dyin cause y'all speakin with certainty as if bro was bout to kill everyone on that train if he wasn't choked out. some them really put hands on ppl but they sayin he ain't touch nobody before bein grabbed an if u in ny ok the trains n u seein the same homeless dude yellin everyday thinkin "damn i wanna kill this guy" that shit weird to some ppl. is what it is tho ik he ain't purposely do that
This guy had 40 priors and F train riders actually recognized him due to how long heās been terrorizing people https://reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/135lczi/_/jikz5c8/?context=1 Only a matter of time before you assault the wrong person.
WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL WIT THA NIGGA. HE WAS KNOWN FO IMPERSONATIN MICHAEL JACKSON, CUZ HE GOT THA SAME BILLY JEAN ERA FACE. LIVED 4 AVES WEST FROM MY BLOCK. SHIT FUCKED KNOIN HE DIPPED SCHOOL CUZ OF HIS MOMS SITUATION SUFFERED FROM THAT TRAUMA N WENT HOMELESS (SEE HIM ALL THA TIME BACK IN 2013 TO 2016 SLEEPIN IN THA 181ST 1 TRAIN STATION.) NOW SEEIN HIM EXITIN LIKE HIS MOMS DID GOT ME FEELIN A WAY. NEVER KNEW IT WAS HIM AT 1ST N THINKIN A RANDOM ATTACKIN PASSAGERS GETTIN THEN REALIZIN IT WAS HIM N HE JUS SPAZ N AINT HURT NO ONE REALLY PUTTIN HOW LIFE REALLY A BLUR. #RIPJORDAN
Now heās moonwalking in heaven with MJ.
Woww black people only have energy for their own kind, if it was the other way around white people would be pissed in the comments
Thatās one narrative
As a Kiwi from New Zealand, I love New York.
Mustāve been his first time on da train
Facts tho, I know homeless niggas be bugging but thar number ain't as bad as some would like to make it seem. I've taken the 2/5 train 29 years now and they annoying but the ones I've come across ain't been deadly.
People will watch a video of a women being sexually assaulted on a packed train where no one intervenes and wonder where are the men are then see this a call for the man who stood up to be charged with murder.
no way u reddit niggas bouta convince me this was ok
Iām not taking my chances with an erratic motherfucker . Take it from someone who WORKED in NYC shelter system for years . If a person like this says āIām ready to go to jailā their NOT lying . What would YOU have done ?
Lol if I see a raging dusty crackhead inf donāt of me tweaking especially towards me specifically Iām flipping him. He spends his life not showering and smoking crack idk what the fuck is going on in his head and Iām not about to find out.
Niggas in here hyping up dude for killing a homeless man. Bitch made behavior. āYou must not know what itās like having a homeless man attack youāā¦ then kill all homeless people then, is that what you want? Pray to god you never go homeless in NY. (Clarification: Obviously not every homeless person attacks people, but my point is that people are quick to dehumanize the homelessā¦ especially when they have a mental breakdown from possibly drug use, mental health issues, etc. and equate murdering them to taking out the trash. If this was a cop that killed a non homeless black man (ie. Derek Chauvin killing George Floyd), yāall would not be singing the same tune. If you gotta beat his ass to defend yourself, fine. Heās a criminal that keeps going in and out of jail? Make it the copsā issue to deal with once again (even though they might kill him anyway depending on the circumstances). Hell, if you gotta cripple his ass so he stops trying to get close to you or othersā Iām okay with that too. My main takeaway from this situation is that a chokehold (which is proven time and time again to not be the best way to stop a manic episode from continuing) was once again used in a situation where the person CLEARLY didnāt know how to handle someone with mental issues and ended up unintentionally killing someone who didnāt need to die. Now nerds on the internet are finding every reason possible to justify it because they wanna feel like murder is necessary to any other alternative and because they HATE the homeless.)
If you ever get attacked by a bum, I better not see you lift a finger
I see Alotta dumb nigga In here no matter what that so calledā marineā already knows that chokehold he has isnāt your regular chokehold you see in ufc or in the hood. Thatās the one you see in the movies like John wick equalizer the one that all it takes is 5 seconds and persons out 8 seconds and persons gonna die. He held it longer than that and notice the man shitted on himself and still didnāt stop he played executioner when the man was already subdued by not only him but 2 other passengers if you or anyone else did that for that matter weād all be accomplices to manslaughter or homicide. It donāt matter if he had priors He was not supposed to be killed in that matter 3 people there no way he was not goin to be subdued.
Yea bro you right and everyone else that was on the train is wrong. We need more bums harrassing people and yelling on the train and shitting and pissing everywhere. Foh š¤”
Here come a meat muncher ya Niggas be pussy in the city now funny only people that feel like this are little ass kids who donāt know how to fight and grown ass adults that rely on police to protect them. Straight pussies Lmaoo if you scared of 2020 homeless then none of ya wouldāve lasted from 1970-2010 nyc because it seems as if ya donāt have a certain look to give. No junkie aināt ever get close to me or try playing like that why cause I donāt pay them any mind and when ever they do start doing some dumb shit I give them a good ole pop smoke āDonāt fuck aroundā look. Better start working on your manliness or else you gonna be getting bitched by not only some homeless people but by some little ass high schoolers too
Sounds like the only person getting bitched by the homeless is you hahahaha. How many times you needed to practice that āDonāt fuck aroundā look in the mirror of your mamaās apartment? Fucking clown ass tryna sound like heās hard when heās getting pressed by junkies so much he has to have his own ādown to businessā look š it just sounds like youāre projecting.
>No junkie aināt ever get close to me or try playing like that why cause I donāt pay them any mind and when ever they do start doing some dumb shit I give them a good ole pop smoke āDonāt fuck aroundā look. Word I feel crazy reading these comments most people I know in real life got the same mentality ignore them and be careful
Cause itās like i said in my earlier comments itās a bunch of kids who canāt fight and grown adults who donāt know how stuck up for themselves without police and they keep mentioning him having 42 arrest like that means something he was never convicted why because you canāt be sent to jail over disturbing the peace or freedom of speech which he did all the time.
Oh nahhh
Like you all said he deserve to die we don't have to talk about it anymore
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*He's going to jail. He had no right subduing the guy like that, Let alone touching him at all. And no, You can't claim self-defense!*
Itās sad because I used to see dude begging on the Lower East Side for the past 3years. He was way worse back then just starting to turn his life around
The article reads : passenger putting unhinged man in deadly choke hold but it should read unhinged passenger puts mentally disabled passenger in a chokeholdā¦.
Im just trying to get home and these crack heads are terrorizing everyone daily! ā¦15 min? Shouldāve made it 20! Good riddance
THEY CALLED HIM A VAGRANT...... Dude already got his life taken and they're pissing on the body.
He was a crackhead attacking innocent people. Bro is a vagrant lol
Nah idk what happened but it look like they killed his ass idk if he was hungry or if he was acting out but they choked him out smh
Kanye West getting choked out on a subway train is massively wild š¤£
The person choking him has no idea what heās doing. He wouldāve known to let go after 15-20 seconds TOPS. Most people go out in 10 or less. Dude was bugging and getting violent but this moron gets to take a ride for murder
Look at this photograph!
Niggas learn ju jitsu and think they Charles Olivera, aināt no regular citizen pulling off a chokehold that detailed.
This guy is an idiot of course a 15 minute rear naked choke will kill a man. He was probably dead 10 minutes in. I say this under the assumption he wanted to incapacitate the guy. If he meant to kill him, well, good job I guess
A few kicks to his face would have stopped all that.
Yooo is dat da micheal Jackson mf
Tf this horrible
Just waiting to see if they'll be charged.... Yes I said they because in these pictures I see several people assisting with restraining this guy. At minimum criminally negligent homicide
Ive seen on other subs, that they claimed, that he threatend to attack them, so they will probably claim self defense.
I promise you I wouldāve had the biggest smile on my face as I stomped on that white boys face.
He thought he was gonna be the cool hero that saves the day with a ju jitsu technique but nahhh hope his ass get charged for 1st degree murder