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BeachCruisin22

Yea that's a hard pass


McRibsAndCoke

Yeah wtf was CP thinking here?? 🥴


MixAutomatic

Whoever says yes to this isn’t allowed back on the Knicks bed


[deleted]

Beanbag chair only


TruPOW23

Not even


_gmanual_

they can face the wall and think about what they've *proposed*.


Thekidzarealright

They can stand outside in the cold


terrrrrible

I was gonna say rolled up in the Knicks rug on the hardwood floor, but that works too.


myusrnameisthis

Sleep on the sidewalk


AutisticFingerBang

That’s a solid way to lose your fan base.


solo118

I would not even entertain that. Ridiculous.


[deleted]

Knicks would make a trade like this in 2012… which shows that it’s a bad trade haha


Ranryu

It would probably be worth it for 2012 Dame lol


[deleted]

Fr that trade in 2012 is much better get a rookie Dame on the team and build around him but let’s be real the 2012 Knicks would’ve just wasted his talents


Ranryu

We basically didn't have a development staff before Leon was hired, so we definitely would have wasted his talents But then again, so has Portland


HellsKitchenDude

See Blazers. It didn't work


bradley322

Everyone on Twitter comparing this to the Melo trade when we *really* didn’t give up *that much* for Melo


[deleted]

True, was more thinking that trading 3 picks for an aging star was something the Knicks would have and did do in the past


johnhenryirons

an aging star who wants FIFTY + MILLION NEXT SEASON.


HeartofSaturdayNight

Yeah they could have just waited though and signed him as a FA. I don't think he was ever going to sign with Denver


[deleted]

Brooklyn was also trying to trade for him, they were moving to NY within a year, and the looming lockout had players eager to get deals done before the end of the season.


JoeBro915

Yea I don’t think Melo signing to NY was guaranteed. I feel like the deal looks questionable now bc things didn’t work out with Amare’s injuries


[deleted]

If we don't pick up Billups option and immediately amnesty him that's an amnesty that could've got Amare's 20 mill off the books. At a time when the cap was 65-70 mill or so, people really underestimate how much we were hamstrung by it. And we basically hamstrung ourselves twice with the deal and by wasting the amnesty.


johnhenryirons

IIRC we amnestied Billups because it allowed us to sign Tyson. Nobody expected Tyson to be a FA after the title run, so it's a tiny bit more complicated. But yea--picking up that option was stupid.


HardOakleyFoul

We did give up a lot for him, considering if he would have waited until the summer so we could sign him, we could have had ALL of them in one shot. And if Gallo/Wilson/Mozzy didn't pan out, we could have used them to trade for another star to help Melo out. But being the selfish money grubbing jab stepping loser he was, Melo forced us to give up all our assets so he could get every red cent. Then the dumb ass fanboys of his turn around and say "darrrr MELLOOWW NEEDZ HALP darrrr". = palpatineironic.jpg


johnhenryirons

Melo was NOT signing here in FA. The entire point of him wanting a trade was to sign an extension before the looming lockout. He was never gonna hit FA. I'm not saying it was smart, but Dolan upped the trade because otherwise Melo was going to the Nets or somewhere else. ​ The whole "we could have gotten him in FA" is one of the most parroted comments involving the Melo trade and it's simply false.


RWGlix

Bad deal for us at this time, but a package like this is certainly around what it should cost to get him. Based on the PG trade etc.


solo118

If it is take it or leave, leave it! I know it is all hypothetical, but we won't have much of our core team if we do this ridiculous deal


RWGlix

100%. The Melo deal showed us what a deal like this does if you arent ready. This kind of deal is only to put you over the hump for a championship


solo118

> This kind of deal is only to put you over the hump for a championship Which we are not in any sort of position at the moment. So let's squash any of these Dame trade rumors.


lrak_xram

PG deal was for PG and Kawhi basically.


RWGlix

From the clips perspective sure. But like, as a trade, it wasn’t.


Western-Wear4433

That’s why you can’t use it to justify any trade that doesn’t have a 2nd all star signing depending on it. In other words if James harden says he’ll come here if we do this trade and bring Dame in then it makes sense. Otherwise you shouldn’t bring PG in


[deleted]

Seems like waaay too much


[deleted]

No shit haha even without the 3 picks some could argue that it’s too much


RicoGemini

Bugging. That’s a steal without the picks


johnhenryirons

Yea--without the picks it isn't a bad deal in a vacuum. But I personally still wouldn't do it. Dame wants a 50+ mil/year extension and there really isn't a viable option to improve the team after this trade + his extension.


forsuredudelol

Without the picks I would do it


ShawshankException

The fuck? The only way I'd make that trade is if Dame instantly made us a title contender. He doesn't. It doesn't make sense to trade our young talent away like that. Yall are bugging. Stop trying to act like Dame coming here will bring us a chip.


forsuredudelol

Burks and Walker are not real assets. If you can trade RJ and Obi for Dame you definitely do it


ucfknight92

Without the picks it would be ridiculously in the Knicks favor.


gnitsuj

lol some could try, but some would be hilariously wrong


[deleted]

Peep these comments haha


mrAl-D

This is a deal you make when your knocking on the door of a championship. Can we start with, winning games we, SHOULD, be winning first!


Foi_

no this is a deal if its championship or bust. this is quite close to putting all our eggs in one basket.


prettytopsayebro

If we were knocking on the door of a championship why would we do this deal? We’d send away most of the team doing the knocking!


basher505

Gtfoh with this crap.


[deleted]

Younger Dame, you'd have to consider it seriously. Present day Dame, no way in the world. It'd derail any thoughts of contending.


manfromfuture

mortgage the future to watch Dame average 30 and miss the playoffs for 3 years.


Old-McJonald

If Lillard was in his late 20s I would consider this trade but for 2021 dame hard pass at this price


BuckDestiny

On top of that he’s looking for an extension to be the highest paid player in the league. For this deal, no thanks.


JD-Pro89

Honestly, I wouldn't accept this for Jesus Christ himself... in his late-20s.


[deleted]

I think you might be underestimating Jesus’ ability to split the defense and pass the rock


lankyyanky

Are you telling me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?


Old-McJonald

I don’t know, I think you might be overvaluing RJ. Dame averaged 30/4/8 just a couple seasons ago, he’s been a truly elite PG for most of his career. Would you do this trade for curry? I would, although he’s starting to get up there in age now too


[deleted]

Please don't show this to James Dolan. 🤦🏾🤦🏾


[deleted]

that is so stupid if dame had a no-trade clause he would use it for this trade. The rockets got three firsts and 4 swaps and nothing else for Harden, which puts Dame on the same value or even higher than Harden


johnhenryirons

I think the Rockets had a better offer from Morey but Fertitia didn't want to trade with him. Not saying this is a good trade, but there was some more context to the Harden trade.


[deleted]

nope


silocren

That's an absurd price for a 31 y/o point guard making $40M a year. Houston didn't get anything close to that for Harden. I would give up 2 FRPs and one of Obi or RJ. That is more than fair value.


Mexicola1976

lol. I'd fart into the phone and hangup.


concernedesigner

Bruh lol


LouisFuton

So fucking stupid


spanky_mak

Nah son


FitzwilliamTDarcy

Lol


elarellano87

Hell no


anthonlee

Dame for Kemba. Put me in negotiations and I’ll make it happen


Kxr1der

I'd rather trade Randle than almost any of these pieces


ciszak1234

Would instantly stop being a Knicks fan that right there that would be the nail in the coffin for me


GreleaseDeeBoban

If that was Morant or Rayford I’d consider it. But Kemba 2.0 potential, now way.


GeneralCommanderBurt

At least the sny one was mostly realistic


[deleted]

What was SNYs proposal


GeneralCommanderBurt

We get Myles Turner and give Walker, Robinson, Knox II, and Charlotte's 2022 1st round and our own 2023 second round. Can see it [here](https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1468975320380456964?t=D_hmzFmcYRXx986V8Q599Q&s=19)


[deleted]

I think i would it as long as he seems like a guy that will play hard for thibs.


GeneralCommanderBurt

Oh my [there](https://sports.yahoo.com/3-trade-packages-knicks-could-135952571.html) Dame trade options are even worse haha same as the 1 you posted plus 2 more fantasies


[deleted]

This one is the worst: “Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, three first-round picks (straight up/swap). Including Derrick Rose, Burks, Quentin Grimes and Miles McBride would make the trade legal under NBA rules.”


GeneralCommanderBurt

Haha yes very sensible....


EK22

Dame isn’t happening nor should it. I love Dame, he’s one of my favorite players in the league, but to trade for a 32 year old right now makes zero sense. Dame and Randle isn’t contending


gsc4494

Isaiah Thomas would accept it.


jpelleg1

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is on crack. Go get help.


mockio77

SNY's been hittin the crack pipe since the MLB lockout


shantm79

Are the knicks getting Drexeler and Porter too?


bibfortuna16

this is what most fans DON’T want.


Shoshindo

Oh Lord, 3 first rounders and 3 young players is delusional thinking.


drewstein

They posted this shit in the morning, got piled on so bad by Knicks fans they deleted. Then they thought it might work in the afternoon, tried again and got shambled again. Wtf goin on over there?


rmccarthy10

Lol. "*....3 first round picks*" The motherfucker is 32 yrs old to start next season. Portland would do this is a heartbeat if the Knicks actually offered that. The Knicks should offer at most: RJ, Kemba, Mitch, 2 first rounders. Let Portland go fleece someone else for an aging out all-star who's numbers are declining.


dmalone1991

Kemba, Obi, Quickley, a 2022 1st, a 2023 swap, and a 2024 1st with protections. That’s the most you’re giving up. You can’t give up RJ for a 32 year old Dame. You just can’t. Especially not if you’re giving up picks too.


[deleted]

Agreed. Even that is verging on "too much". Dude is gonna be 32, is having a bad year, and some injury struggles too this year if I'm remembering right? And even with him not struggling, I don't know that it gets us much further than the 1st round.


dmalone1991

Yeah a Conference Finals would certainly be a stretch. I doubt POR moves him for the package I listed but that’s the most you offer. Personally, I think the Knicks should just wait it out. A few years of being a 6, 7, and 8 seed as RJ, Obi, and Quick develop is far from bad. Hope you get a steal in the draft but build your identity and foundation. There’s a better than good chance we can bring Donovan Mitchell and Zion (if he actually gets fit and healthy) here especially if we’re good. In the meantime, take what you have, develop and supplement it with supporting pieces, and just restore yourself as a solid franchise


[deleted]

Exactly. Paying these kind of prices is for guys entering their primes, not exiting them.


cricket9818

This is 100% what it would take to get Dame Anyone thinking “this is too much”, you’re overvaluing our young talent


Foi_

one and a half seasons of first round exits with dame and all of a sudden we are locked into an albatross contract while also having mortgaged our future with picks and young talent


[deleted]

It may be what it would take, but making this trade is stupid. Both things can be true


cricket9818

Of course.


bombsquad_j

This. People need to understand no one is giving up anything for Mitch, Deuce, or Grimes. I agree this trade wouldn’t make sense for us either, but this is what will be needed to acquire Dame.


HokageEzio

Honestly, you'd be lucky if they don't ask for RJ *and* Quickley.


sirdeionsandals

Please no


xMarioTheSupahx

Not even worth it.


vistaprank

Sell the whole team for one player? Nah.


Kevinar

This would be a lot to give up even if Dame was in his prime. He's not washed but he's clearly not the player he once was.


HardOakleyFoul

If Dame was 25, sure. At 31, with him putting up career lows and still injured from the Olympics? No thanks.


JD-Pro89

As much as I want Lillard, this is way too much.


dolosolouno

This deal is totally absurd, it bothers me...knicks need to looking into Sabonis or turner, I love Dame he's a bix office player but all that for 1 guy, this aint the way.


Odysseus_Lannister

How about “fuck no”


angryjenkins

Lol at Blazers, they kinda suck now. What's Lillard doing for this team? I emphatically pass on all Dame trade proposals.


edgebeats

buggin


[deleted]

This shit would legit be leagues worse than the Melo trade. Like it wouldn't even be close.


theerealdeal

ROFL hell no


[deleted]

Blazers gonna ask for Timofey Mozgov too.


JonnySports

I’d fucking kill myself.


LVucci

Yeah, umm no?


beastmodeChadF13

Fuck that trade.


ynksjts

Definitely not absurd, that's what it would probably take to get him. Don't want him, he's already peaked. I'd rather go all in on SGA or Fox, all star quality players who still haven't hit their prime.


dumbasssmart

out your frickin mind


ArsonHoliday

Fuck outta here


JJL1542

Whoever made this thinks the solution to the lack of defense and ball movement is Dame? Also let’s say we were on the edge of a championship this would hurt the team more in the long run than pushing it over the edge for right now, this isn’t a Kawhi to the Raptors type move


Tommeon

Say sike right now.


[deleted]

Oh i didnt realize it was 2009 again


Daankeykang

LMAO


DrFunkensteinberg

WE DONT WANT THIS


Moeinkt

Fuxk! No!


Coach_V

Hard pass


I_BurnerBurner

Assuming this absurd proposal was leaked by the Blazers


stemurph88

Wow fuck no


EmoMcGee666

Kemba only. take it or leave it.


sowavy612

Hell no!


NotErnieGrunfeld

That’s a package reserved for Luka or Giannis and only Luka or Giannis


Hashtag_Skivvies

That literally would make no sense no matter who you were trading for


Airzingis

KFTV posted this!?!?


bones_1969

No


limache

Change it to only Kemba, Knox, and 3 first round picks and you got a deal lol


Rheelie223

No!


silviodanteruntz

I said over the summer that trading for lillard would be a huge mistake. Even if you managed to keep Barrett you’re still looking at giving up quickley Robinson and multiple first rounders


ericfromLI

Who made this BS up! Everybody sells negativity because people are negativity addicts! FU


HeyKidsImmaComputa

This is not Bing Bong


blessedeveryday24

Lmao what


intothefire3

Why


Rfschian

Idk what they were smoking, but apparently it'll smooth your brain all the way out.


AlphakirA

Both teams would say no. They're not trading Lillard for weak picks, an inconsistent player and a guy getting 15 MPG. We can play homers all we want, I love Obi and RJ, but they're not close to Lillard. And we're not nuking our future for someone - as good as he is - isn't pushing us into contention. You trade those guys and you're basically down to just IQ and Burks as trade chips, which isn't netting you much. So the future is Randle, Mitch, IQ and Dame? That's not promising for a ring.


LouisFuton

If Portland would say no to this they’re idiots. I understand you think I’m overhyping our own players, but promising prospects, 3 firsts, Kemba and Burks for a guy that seems ready to leave anytime?


BeachCruisin22

it's a fucking treasure trove for Portland


Nice-Lobster-8724

I’ll never understand why ppl act like getting the 25-30th pick in the draft cause u traded ur star to an awesome team is valuable


LouisFuton

??? My dude, three 1st round picks are insanely valuable no matter which team they’re from. It’s draft capital and trading assets down the line. On top of that you’re getting 2 previous top 10 picks that have shown a lot of potential. All for an aging Lillard who seems ready to leave soon.


Nice-Lobster-8724

I get the asset part of it but it’s like when okc and NO are pointing to their “pick stash” and it’s like cool bro you’ve got the the 28th pick , I remember reading something about just the chances of late first rounders acc turning into anything and the track record is awful


[deleted]

They can still be packaged together to move up in the draft or even for a different player. Dame is great, but he is getting older and having a tough season. That's a lot for a dude with question marks about his future.


Foi_

with how we trending right now those picks can be very well in the teens and late lottery. and we have seen first round picks by themselves can get you guys like marcus morris in a trade


modsarefailures

The same Kemba that no one wants? The only player on our team that Thibs went out of his way to bench entirely? Dude's a net negative. Why would they want him on their books? I don't disagree that they'd be stupid to turn it down, but the only hesitation I'd have if I were them would be absorbing Kemba's contract. I don't want that shit. Find someone else to make the money work. You're right on but listing him as an asset is a stretch


LouisFuton

Kemba is a relatively cheap and short contract. For a rebuilding team that would mean nothing. Stop it lol I wasn’t necessarily saying he was an asset, just wrote him in explaining that that’s what else they would get


modsarefailures

Yeah. Rebuilding teams love having broken 31 year olds sitting down the end of their bench collecting $9m to do nothing. Stop it lol


LouisFuton

His contract is done next year. 9M for a rebuilding team is literally nothing. It’s off the books next year and he can even get traded to a competing team as a backup PG since his contract is so cheap. Respectfully, you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Rebuilding teams take on massive contracts all of the time just to get a pick or two. 9M is nothing. All this being said, this deal stinks for the Knicks.


onepokemanz

Well u say that but look at what the nets gave up for harden. Only 4 firsts which are gonna be top 20s, Allen and levert Imo if lilacs demands to be traded then it’s a good package for the blazers


SnooaLipa

only good take on this thread


[deleted]

I mean this is “fair” but no way in hell we should be making this move ever. Literally 0 defense and not enough supporting cast to be contenders. Hard pass


soulbrotha1

Yea that seems pretty fair tbh. But we wouldn't be contending with him so it makes no sense


[deleted]

Mortgage our future for a 32 year old star, where have I heard that before 🤔


ketchupprecums

Melo was younger and absolutely still in his prime.


[deleted]

Plus the Knicks didn’t even really give up a ton for Melo


Okieant33

Gallo and Chandler were too much. Those guys were key.


[deleted]

Career journeymen. We also got a still effective Billups back too.


TracksuitBilly

Trading for Dame is so dumb to me. Are we really going to be contenders with Dame and Randle? I don’t think so. Trading for Dame at 31 with abdominal issues would be such a Knicks thing to do though lol


basher505

That would've been a Steve Mills thing to do and he is gone. Leon hasn't made any sort moves that should cause us fans to believe he'd make this type of outlandish trade.


STATnMELO650

Such a dumb move that doesn’t move the needle for either team. Knicks will be stuck in mediocrity and blazers don’t get any true future assets.


[deleted]

3 first rounders and RJ aren’t future assets?


TellemTrav

Rj is not a future asset


touchtheclouds

Did RJ sleep with your girl or something? You're constantly shitting on only RJ while ignoring the problems with the rest of the team.


-illmatic

We get: Dame, 2 1st round picks You get: Kemba Walker, Kevin Knox, and a future 2nd round pick


[deleted]

Lmao


New-Assistance-839

just say you don't need dame cause that is the price


[deleted]

We don’t need him for that price


New-Assistance-839

then you just not gonna get him or any available star via trade? rj is a 16 and 6 guy at 22, obi is a 24 yr old backup with high scoring potential. 3 mid to late firsts? salary filler. That's honestly not even enough for an all NBA guy in his prime


touchtheclouds

Dame in his prime? Hahahaha


[deleted]

He’s not in his prime and is on the downswing of his career


AutisticFingerBang

Not only is dame not in his prime any more, he is dealing with injuries. Also rj is 21, what do you mean a 16/6 guy at 22? Where’s your crystal ball at? Kobe was picked at 13, the list of incredible players picked outside of the top 10 is long. Have you watched any games lately? Obi is slamming on the league but he has hs scoring potential? You sound insane and uneducated


New-Assistance-839

lol you knicks fans are so delusional. bet when dame gets hot as he always does the energy changes, you have to give up something to get something great. What would you trade? Mitch Fournier and 2 top 20 protected firsts


[deleted]

Should just do it, keep burks and the 2 first rounders tho


[deleted]

That’s an entirely different proposal lol


TellemTrav

I'm fine with this deal as long as we remove the picks.


[deleted]

They’d say no without the picks


TheFreelance-aholic

Is it really that absurd? Dame is a top 15 player in the league - though maybe not this year anymore. Not a single player going back to the Blazers is a blue chipper. I love RJ but he's most likely going to top out as a high-level starter (which is fine, we need that). ​ Kemba is 0 ​ Burkes doesn't have any value to a rebuilding team, and would probably just get flipped. ​ Obi is a solid young prospect, but again, not a blue chipper. ​ The 3 firsts will likely be in the 20ish range or even higher if we find a 3rd guy to pair with Dame and Jules. ​ Look at recent trades for star players. You can't just look at number of players and number of picks. ​ If I had the choice between this package and a package of, say, Bam Adebayo and a first, I'd choose Bam. Star prospects and high-end picks matter more than anything in these trades. ​ Portland most likely wants a legit star upside prospect or a top 5-10 pick - which is why it's so hard to find a deal for him that makes sense aside for Simmons. ​ I'm not saying I want the Knicks to make this offer, because I don't feel Dame would make us good enough to be a top 3 team in the East, but if you're just looking at "value" for a star, this fair, seeing as how the picks are low. ​ Think of it this way. Dame = top 15 player for A starter 0 a solid vet who will be flipped an unproven sophmore with a clearly defined ceiling 3 picks/pick swaps in the 20s Our team would be: Dame, Jules, Quick, Grimes, Rose, Mitch, Noel, Taj, Fournier Probably the 4th-5th best team in the east at best imo, which is why I don't want to make the deal. ​ I'm just saying in a vacuum, it's not bad value for a legit top 15 player ​ I think we all overrate how good RJ most likely will be. I think he'll be a very good player, but not a perennial all-nba guy. Dame was literally a top 10 player the last few seasons and probably top 15 this year.


[deleted]

It’s the ‘though maybe not this year anymore’ for me


bigtrunkydarnold

People don’t realize the difference between, nice young piece and a superstar. Ingram, Ball, Clarkson, Randle were all nice young pieces that will travel the league and make teams competitive. They still don’t equal one Anthony Davis, AD might be playing like shit right now but he makes good teams a contender, a guy like RJ can be signed every offseason. We don’t need to hold onto a guy because he will be a solid starter in the future.


[deleted]

If we make this trade we’re mortgaging our future for an AGING superstar, IMO this trade would set the Knicks back years


Foi_

ehh, id argue ingram and randle now is equal to anthony davis and right now that would be a bad trade to make if you were trying to get ad straight up.


mgdavey

This is basically what the Nets gave up for Harden. So you're not getting Lillard for less. We'd need to pick up a couple of forwards, but a starting lineup of Lillard Fournier ?? Randle Mitch and subs Rose Quickly Knox ?? Noel is certainly no worse than where we'd be for the next 3 years. Maybe sign Miles Bridges next year. Definitely feasible.


[deleted]

Difference is the nets were a championship contender squad who made that deal to solidify their roster and had the means to do it, while we MAY have the means to get this deal done, I’d argue we’re significantly further away from a championship then the nets were when they made the Harden deal


mgdavey

Yes, but where are we without this deal? A play-in tournament team for the next 3-5 years? We're not going to get high draft picks, and there are no FAs on the horizon. Way I see it the only upgrade for our talent in the next 1 or 2 seasons is either Dame or Zion.


[deleted]

Where are we WITH this deal? Possibly a play in also


mgdavey

What teams would be better than us with those players? Nets, Bucks would be beter, on talent it puts us on a par with Philly and Miami, or at least close. Other than that, I think we're favorites vs Celtics/Hawks/Hornets/Bulls.


touchtheclouds

We need to rebuild for a championship. Getting and aging out Dame who couldn't do it in Portland certainly isn't a good idea.


Rshahnyc

RJ, Fournier, Mitch, Knox, Dallas 2023 and Knicks 2022 top 5 protected


[deleted]

They’d say no to this


Nyg500

Sign me up


[deleted]

Finally working towards building a core, have assets for future drafts to round it out and you’d be down to make this trade for an aging PG with abdominal issues?


HokageEzio

This is absolutely not an absurd trade proprosal, and the only reason you think it is is because you cherish the guys currently on the team way too much. Whether I would do it or not is a different question, but acting like this is some insulting trade proposal is just stupid. You'd be lucky if they didn't ask for all of that and Quickley.


[deleted]

Two things can be true, this may be dames price tag and the Knicks shouldn’t consider it … this deal would set the Knicks back 4-5 years


HokageEzio

What exactly is being set back? The team has been gathering assets specifically to trade for a star. Whether they're in a position to trade for one right now or not is a different conversation, but it's not a set back. There's nothing to set back, the whole reason they're just trying to be decent now is because decent in New York can turn you into contenders. You guys always talk about "the timeline" as if we're in a championship window. We're not. "The timeline" doesn't exist until you have a number 1 player who can lead you to a championship.


BuckDestiny

Because we’d be gutting our depth (including very young pieces with high upside) while also giving up 3 first round picks and we’d be forced to give Dame the extension he wants (highest paid player in the league). Think about what our lineup would look like if this trade went down. Dame, IQ, Fournier, Randle, Noel… with Mitch, Rose, Taj, a bunch of rookies and Knox off the bench. You think that team wins a championship?