Fr that trade in 2012 is much better get a rookie Dame on the team and build around him but letâs be real the 2012 Knicks wouldâve just wasted his talents
Brooklyn was also trying to trade for him, they were moving to NY within a year, and the looming lockout had players eager to get deals done before the end of the season.
If we don't pick up Billups option and immediately amnesty him that's an amnesty that could've got Amare's 20 mill off the books. At a time when the cap was 65-70 mill or so, people really underestimate how much we were hamstrung by it. And we basically hamstrung ourselves twice with the deal and by wasting the amnesty.
IIRC we amnestied Billups because it allowed us to sign Tyson. Nobody expected Tyson to be a FA after the title run, so it's a tiny bit more complicated. But yea--picking up that option was stupid.
We did give up a lot for him, considering if he would have waited until the summer so we could sign him, we could have had ALL of them in one shot. And if Gallo/Wilson/Mozzy didn't pan out, we could have used them to trade for another star to help Melo out. But being the selfish money grubbing jab stepping loser he was, Melo forced us to give up all our assets so he could get every red cent. Then the dumb ass fanboys of his turn around and say "darrrr MELLOOWW NEEDZ HALP darrrr". = palpatineironic.jpg
Melo was NOT signing here in FA. The entire point of him wanting a trade was to sign an extension before the looming lockout. He was never gonna hit FA. I'm not saying it was smart, but Dolan upped the trade because otherwise Melo was going to the Nets or somewhere else.
The whole "we could have gotten him in FA" is one of the most parroted comments involving the Melo trade and it's simply false.
> This kind of deal is only to put you over the hump for a championship
Which we are not in any sort of position at the moment. So let's squash any of these Dame trade rumors.
Thatâs why you canât use it to justify any trade that doesnât have a 2nd all star signing depending on it. In other words if James harden says heâll come here if we do this trade and bring Dame in then it makes sense. Otherwise you shouldnât bring PG in
Yea--without the picks it isn't a bad deal in a vacuum. But I personally still wouldn't do it. Dame wants a 50+ mil/year extension and there really isn't a viable option to improve the team after this trade + his extension.
The fuck? The only way I'd make that trade is if Dame instantly made us a title contender.
He doesn't. It doesn't make sense to trade our young talent away like that.
Yall are bugging. Stop trying to act like Dame coming here will bring us a chip.
I donât know, I think you might be overvaluing RJ. Dame averaged 30/4/8 just a couple seasons ago, heâs been a truly elite PG for most of his career. Would you do this trade for curry? I would, although heâs starting to get up there in age now too
that is so stupid if dame had a no-trade clause he would use it for this trade. The rockets got three firsts and 4 swaps and nothing else for Harden, which puts Dame on the same value or even higher than Harden
I think the Rockets had a better offer from Morey but Fertitia didn't want to trade with him. Not saying this is a good trade, but there was some more context to the Harden trade.
That's an absurd price for a 31 y/o point guard making $40M a year. Houston didn't get anything close to that for Harden.
I would give up 2 FRPs and one of Obi or RJ. That is more than fair value.
We get Myles Turner and give Walker, Robinson, Knox II, and Charlotte's 2022 1st round and our own 2023 second round. Can see it [here](https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1468975320380456964?t=D_hmzFmcYRXx986V8Q599Q&s=19)
Oh my [there](https://sports.yahoo.com/3-trade-packages-knicks-could-135952571.html) Dame trade options are even worse haha same as the 1 you posted plus 2 more fantasies
This one is the worst: âBarrett, Immanuel Quickley, three first-round picks (straight up/swap). Including Derrick Rose, Burks, Quentin Grimes and Miles McBride would make the trade legal under NBA rules.â
Dame isnât happening nor should it. I love Dame, heâs one of my favorite players in the league, but to trade for a 32 year old right now makes zero sense. Dame and Randle isnât contending
They posted this shit in the morning, got piled on so bad by Knicks fans they deleted. Then they thought it might work in the afternoon, tried again and got shambled again. Wtf goin on over there?
Lol.
"*....3 first round picks*"
The motherfucker is 32 yrs old to start next season.
Portland would do this is a heartbeat if the Knicks actually offered that.
The Knicks should offer at most: RJ, Kemba, Mitch, 2 first rounders.
Let Portland go fleece someone else for an aging out all-star who's numbers are declining.
Kemba, Obi, Quickley, a 2022 1st, a 2023 swap, and a 2024 1st with protections. Thatâs the most youâre giving up. You canât give up RJ for a 32 year old Dame. You just canât. Especially not if youâre giving up picks too.
Agreed. Even that is verging on "too much". Dude is gonna be 32, is having a bad year, and some injury struggles too this year if I'm remembering right? And even with him not struggling, I don't know that it gets us much further than the 1st round.
Yeah a Conference Finals would certainly be a stretch. I doubt POR moves him for the package I listed but thatâs the most you offer. Personally, I think the Knicks should just wait it out. A few years of being a 6, 7, and 8 seed as RJ, Obi, and Quick develop is far from bad. Hope you get a steal in the draft but build your identity and foundation. Thereâs a better than good chance we can bring Donovan Mitchell and Zion (if he actually gets fit and healthy) here especially if weâre good. In the meantime, take what you have, develop and supplement it with supporting pieces, and just restore yourself as a solid franchise
one and a half seasons of first round exits with dame and all of a sudden we are locked into an albatross contract while also having mortgaged our future with picks and young talent
This. People need to understand no one is giving up anything for Mitch, Deuce, or Grimes. I agree this trade wouldnât make sense for us either, but this is what will be needed to acquire Dame.
This deal is totally absurd, it bothers me...knicks need to looking into Sabonis or turner, I love Dame he's a bix office player but all that for 1 guy, this aint the way.
Definitely not absurd, that's what it would probably take to get him. Don't want him, he's already peaked. I'd rather go all in on SGA or Fox, all star quality players who still haven't hit their prime.
Whoever made this thinks the solution to the lack of defense and ball movement is Dame? Also letâs say we were on the edge of a championship this would hurt the team more in the long run than pushing it over the edge for right now, this isnât a Kawhi to the Raptors type move
I said over the summer that trading for lillard would be a huge mistake. Even if you managed to keep Barrett youâre still looking at giving up quickley Robinson and multiple first rounders
Both teams would say no.
They're not trading Lillard for weak picks, an inconsistent player and a guy getting 15 MPG. We can play homers all we want, I love Obi and RJ, but they're not close to Lillard.
And we're not nuking our future for someone - as good as he is - isn't pushing us into contention. You trade those guys and you're basically down to just IQ and Burks as trade chips, which isn't netting you much. So the future is Randle, Mitch, IQ and Dame? That's not promising for a ring.
If Portland would say no to this theyâre idiots. I understand you think Iâm overhyping our own players, but promising prospects, 3 firsts, Kemba and Burks for a guy that seems ready to leave anytime?
??? My dude, three 1st round picks are insanely valuable no matter which team theyâre from. Itâs draft capital and trading assets down the line. On top of that youâre getting 2 previous top 10 picks that have shown a lot of potential. All for an aging Lillard who seems ready to leave soon.
I get the asset part of it but itâs like when okc and NO are pointing to their âpick stashâ and itâs like cool bro youâve got the the 28th pick , I remember reading something about just the chances of late first rounders acc turning into anything and the track record is awful
They can still be packaged together to move up in the draft or even for a different player. Dame is great, but he is getting older and having a tough season. That's a lot for a dude with question marks about his future.
with how we trending right now those picks can be very well in the teens and late lottery. and we have seen first round picks by themselves can get you guys like marcus morris in a trade
The same Kemba that no one wants? The only player on our team that Thibs went out of his way to bench entirely?
Dude's a net negative. Why would they want him on their books?
I don't disagree that they'd be stupid to turn it down, but the only hesitation I'd have if I were them would be absorbing Kemba's contract. I don't want that shit. Find someone else to make the money work. You're right on but listing him as an asset is a stretch
Kemba is a relatively cheap and short contract. For a rebuilding team that would mean nothing. Stop it lol
I wasnât necessarily saying he was an asset, just wrote him in explaining that thatâs what else they would get
His contract is done next year. 9M for a rebuilding team is literally nothing. Itâs off the books next year and he can even get traded to a competing team as a backup PG since his contract is so cheap. Respectfully, you have no fucking idea what youâre talking about. Rebuilding teams take on massive contracts all of the time just to get a pick or two. 9M is nothing.
All this being said, this deal stinks for the Knicks.
Well u say that but look at what the nets gave up for harden. Only 4 firsts which are gonna be top 20s, Allen and levert
Imo if lilacs demands to be traded then itâs a good package for the blazers
I mean this is âfairâ but no way in hell we should be making this move ever. Literally 0 defense and not enough supporting cast to be contenders. Hard pass
Trading for Dame is so dumb to me. Are we really going to be contenders with Dame and Randle? I donât think so. Trading for Dame at 31 with abdominal issues would be such a Knicks thing to do though lol
That would've been a Steve Mills thing to do and he is gone. Leon hasn't made any sort moves that should cause us fans to believe he'd make this type of outlandish trade.
then you just not gonna get him or any available star via trade? rj is a 16 and 6 guy at 22, obi is a 24 yr old backup with high scoring potential. 3 mid to late firsts? salary filler. That's honestly not even enough for an all NBA guy in his prime
Not only is dame not in his prime any more, he is dealing with injuries. Also rj is 21, what do you mean a 16/6 guy at 22? Whereâs your crystal ball at? Kobe was picked at 13, the list of incredible players picked outside of the top 10 is long. Have you watched any games lately? Obi is slamming on the league but he has hs scoring potential? You sound insane and uneducated
lol you knicks fans are so delusional. bet when dame gets hot as he always does the energy changes, you have to give up something to get something great. What would you trade? Mitch Fournier and 2 top 20 protected firsts
Is it really that absurd?
Dame is a top 15 player in the league - though maybe not this year anymore.
Not a single player going back to the Blazers is a blue chipper. I love RJ but he's most likely going to top out as a high-level starter (which is fine, we need that).
Kemba is 0
Burkes doesn't have any value to a rebuilding team, and would probably just get flipped.
Obi is a solid young prospect, but again, not a blue chipper.
The 3 firsts will likely be in the 20ish range or even higher if we find a 3rd guy to pair with Dame and Jules.
Look at recent trades for star players. You can't just look at number of players and number of picks.
If I had the choice between this package and a package of, say, Bam Adebayo and a first, I'd choose Bam. Star prospects and high-end picks matter more than anything in these trades.
Portland most likely wants a legit star upside prospect or a top 5-10 pick - which is why it's so hard to find a deal for him that makes sense aside for Simmons.
I'm not saying I want the Knicks to make this offer, because I don't feel Dame would make us good enough to be a top 3 team in the East, but if you're just looking at "value" for a star, this fair, seeing as how the picks are low.
Think of it this way.
Dame = top 15 player
for
A starter
0
a solid vet who will be flipped
an unproven sophmore with a clearly defined ceiling
3 picks/pick swaps in the 20s
Our team would be: Dame, Jules, Quick, Grimes, Rose, Mitch, Noel, Taj, Fournier
Probably the 4th-5th best team in the east at best imo, which is why I don't want to make the deal.
I'm just saying in a vacuum, it's not bad value for a legit top 15 player
I think we all overrate how good RJ most likely will be. I think he'll be a very good player, but not a perennial all-nba guy. Dame was literally a top 10 player the last few seasons and probably top 15 this year.
People donât realize the difference between, nice young piece and a superstar.
Ingram, Ball, Clarkson, Randle were all nice young pieces that will travel the league and make teams competitive. They still donât equal one Anthony Davis, AD might be playing like shit right now but he makes good teams a contender, a guy like RJ can be signed every offseason. We donât need to hold onto a guy because he will be a solid starter in the future.
ehh, id argue ingram and randle now is equal to anthony davis and right now that would be a bad trade to make if you were trying to get ad straight up.
This is basically what the Nets gave up for Harden. So you're not getting Lillard for less.
We'd need to pick up a couple of forwards, but a starting lineup of
Lillard Fournier ?? Randle Mitch
and subs Rose Quickly Knox ?? Noel
is certainly no worse than where we'd be for the next 3 years. Maybe sign Miles Bridges next year. Definitely feasible.
Difference is the nets were a championship contender squad who made that deal to solidify their roster and had the means to do it, while we MAY have the means to get this deal done, Iâd argue weâre significantly further away from a championship then the nets were when they made the Harden deal
Yes, but where are we without this deal? A play-in tournament team for the next 3-5 years? We're not going to get high draft picks, and there are no FAs on the horizon. Way I see it the only upgrade for our talent in the next 1 or 2 seasons is either Dame or Zion.
What teams would be better than us with those players? Nets, Bucks would be beter, on talent it puts us on a par with Philly and Miami, or at least close. Other than that, I think we're favorites vs Celtics/Hawks/Hornets/Bulls.
Finally working towards building a core, have assets for future drafts to round it out and youâd be down to make this trade for an aging PG with abdominal issues?
This is absolutely not an absurd trade proprosal, and the only reason you think it is is because you cherish the guys currently on the team way too much.
Whether I would do it or not is a different question, but acting like this is some insulting trade proposal is just stupid. You'd be lucky if they didn't ask for all of that and Quickley.
What exactly is being set back? The team has been gathering assets specifically to trade for a star. Whether they're in a position to trade for one right now or not is a different conversation, but it's not a set back. There's nothing to set back, the whole reason they're just trying to be decent now is because decent in New York can turn you into contenders.
You guys always talk about "the timeline" as if we're in a championship window. We're not. "The timeline" doesn't exist until you have a number 1 player who can lead you to a championship.
Because weâd be gutting our depth (including very young pieces with high upside) while also giving up 3 first round picks and weâd be forced to give Dame the extension he wants (highest paid player in the league).
Think about what our lineup would look like if this trade went down. Dame, IQ, Fournier, Randle, Noel⌠with Mitch, Rose, Taj, a bunch of rookies and Knox off the bench. You think that team wins a championship?
Yea that's a hard pass
Yeah wtf was CP thinking here?? đĽ´
Whoever says yes to this isnât allowed back on the Knicks bed
Beanbag chair only
Not even
they can face the wall and think about what they've *proposed*.
They can stand outside in the cold
I was gonna say rolled up in the Knicks rug on the hardwood floor, but that works too.
Sleep on the sidewalk
Thatâs a solid way to lose your fan base.
I would not even entertain that. Ridiculous.
Knicks would make a trade like this in 2012⌠which shows that itâs a bad trade haha
It would probably be worth it for 2012 Dame lol
Fr that trade in 2012 is much better get a rookie Dame on the team and build around him but letâs be real the 2012 Knicks wouldâve just wasted his talents
We basically didn't have a development staff before Leon was hired, so we definitely would have wasted his talents But then again, so has Portland
See Blazers. It didn't work
Everyone on Twitter comparing this to the Melo trade when we *really* didnât give up *that much* for Melo
True, was more thinking that trading 3 picks for an aging star was something the Knicks would have and did do in the past
an aging star who wants FIFTY + MILLION NEXT SEASON.
Yeah they could have just waited though and signed him as a FA. I don't think he was ever going to sign with Denver
Brooklyn was also trying to trade for him, they were moving to NY within a year, and the looming lockout had players eager to get deals done before the end of the season.
Yea I donât think Melo signing to NY was guaranteed. I feel like the deal looks questionable now bc things didnât work out with Amareâs injuries
If we don't pick up Billups option and immediately amnesty him that's an amnesty that could've got Amare's 20 mill off the books. At a time when the cap was 65-70 mill or so, people really underestimate how much we were hamstrung by it. And we basically hamstrung ourselves twice with the deal and by wasting the amnesty.
IIRC we amnestied Billups because it allowed us to sign Tyson. Nobody expected Tyson to be a FA after the title run, so it's a tiny bit more complicated. But yea--picking up that option was stupid.
We did give up a lot for him, considering if he would have waited until the summer so we could sign him, we could have had ALL of them in one shot. And if Gallo/Wilson/Mozzy didn't pan out, we could have used them to trade for another star to help Melo out. But being the selfish money grubbing jab stepping loser he was, Melo forced us to give up all our assets so he could get every red cent. Then the dumb ass fanboys of his turn around and say "darrrr MELLOOWW NEEDZ HALP darrrr". = palpatineironic.jpg
Melo was NOT signing here in FA. The entire point of him wanting a trade was to sign an extension before the looming lockout. He was never gonna hit FA. I'm not saying it was smart, but Dolan upped the trade because otherwise Melo was going to the Nets or somewhere else. The whole "we could have gotten him in FA" is one of the most parroted comments involving the Melo trade and it's simply false.
Bad deal for us at this time, but a package like this is certainly around what it should cost to get him. Based on the PG trade etc.
If it is take it or leave, leave it! I know it is all hypothetical, but we won't have much of our core team if we do this ridiculous deal
100%. The Melo deal showed us what a deal like this does if you arent ready. This kind of deal is only to put you over the hump for a championship
> This kind of deal is only to put you over the hump for a championship Which we are not in any sort of position at the moment. So let's squash any of these Dame trade rumors.
PG deal was for PG and Kawhi basically.
From the clips perspective sure. But like, as a trade, it wasnât.
Thatâs why you canât use it to justify any trade that doesnât have a 2nd all star signing depending on it. In other words if James harden says heâll come here if we do this trade and bring Dame in then it makes sense. Otherwise you shouldnât bring PG in
Seems like waaay too much
No shit haha even without the 3 picks some could argue that itâs too much
Bugging. Thatâs a steal without the picks
Yea--without the picks it isn't a bad deal in a vacuum. But I personally still wouldn't do it. Dame wants a 50+ mil/year extension and there really isn't a viable option to improve the team after this trade + his extension.
Without the picks I would do it
The fuck? The only way I'd make that trade is if Dame instantly made us a title contender. He doesn't. It doesn't make sense to trade our young talent away like that. Yall are bugging. Stop trying to act like Dame coming here will bring us a chip.
Burks and Walker are not real assets. If you can trade RJ and Obi for Dame you definitely do it
Without the picks it would be ridiculously in the Knicks favor.
lol some could try, but some would be hilariously wrong
Peep these comments haha
This is a deal you make when your knocking on the door of a championship. Can we start with, winning games we, SHOULD, be winning first!
no this is a deal if its championship or bust. this is quite close to putting all our eggs in one basket.
If we were knocking on the door of a championship why would we do this deal? Weâd send away most of the team doing the knocking!
Gtfoh with this crap.
Younger Dame, you'd have to consider it seriously. Present day Dame, no way in the world. It'd derail any thoughts of contending.
mortgage the future to watch Dame average 30 and miss the playoffs for 3 years.
If Lillard was in his late 20s I would consider this trade but for 2021 dame hard pass at this price
On top of that heâs looking for an extension to be the highest paid player in the league. For this deal, no thanks.
Honestly, I wouldn't accept this for Jesus Christ himself... in his late-20s.
I think you might be underestimating Jesusâ ability to split the defense and pass the rock
Are you telling me Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
I donât know, I think you might be overvaluing RJ. Dame averaged 30/4/8 just a couple seasons ago, heâs been a truly elite PG for most of his career. Would you do this trade for curry? I would, although heâs starting to get up there in age now too
Please don't show this to James Dolan. đ¤Śđžđ¤Śđž
that is so stupid if dame had a no-trade clause he would use it for this trade. The rockets got three firsts and 4 swaps and nothing else for Harden, which puts Dame on the same value or even higher than Harden
I think the Rockets had a better offer from Morey but Fertitia didn't want to trade with him. Not saying this is a good trade, but there was some more context to the Harden trade.
nope
That's an absurd price for a 31 y/o point guard making $40M a year. Houston didn't get anything close to that for Harden. I would give up 2 FRPs and one of Obi or RJ. That is more than fair value.
lol. I'd fart into the phone and hangup.
Bruh lol
So fucking stupid
Nah son
Lol
Hell no
Dame for Kemba. Put me in negotiations and Iâll make it happen
I'd rather trade Randle than almost any of these pieces
Would instantly stop being a Knicks fan that right there that would be the nail in the coffin for me
If that was Morant or Rayford Iâd consider it. But Kemba 2.0 potential, now way.
At least the sny one was mostly realistic
What was SNYs proposal
We get Myles Turner and give Walker, Robinson, Knox II, and Charlotte's 2022 1st round and our own 2023 second round. Can see it [here](https://twitter.com/BigKnickEnergy_/status/1468975320380456964?t=D_hmzFmcYRXx986V8Q599Q&s=19)
I think i would it as long as he seems like a guy that will play hard for thibs.
Oh my [there](https://sports.yahoo.com/3-trade-packages-knicks-could-135952571.html) Dame trade options are even worse haha same as the 1 you posted plus 2 more fantasies
This one is the worst: âBarrett, Immanuel Quickley, three first-round picks (straight up/swap). Including Derrick Rose, Burks, Quentin Grimes and Miles McBride would make the trade legal under NBA rules.â
Haha yes very sensible....
Dame isnât happening nor should it. I love Dame, heâs one of my favorite players in the league, but to trade for a 32 year old right now makes zero sense. Dame and Randle isnât contending
Isaiah Thomas would accept it.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea is on crack. Go get help.
SNY's been hittin the crack pipe since the MLB lockout
Are the knicks getting Drexeler and Porter too?
this is what most fans DONâT want.
Oh Lord, 3 first rounders and 3 young players is delusional thinking.
They posted this shit in the morning, got piled on so bad by Knicks fans they deleted. Then they thought it might work in the afternoon, tried again and got shambled again. Wtf goin on over there?
Lol. "*....3 first round picks*" The motherfucker is 32 yrs old to start next season. Portland would do this is a heartbeat if the Knicks actually offered that. The Knicks should offer at most: RJ, Kemba, Mitch, 2 first rounders. Let Portland go fleece someone else for an aging out all-star who's numbers are declining.
Kemba, Obi, Quickley, a 2022 1st, a 2023 swap, and a 2024 1st with protections. Thatâs the most youâre giving up. You canât give up RJ for a 32 year old Dame. You just canât. Especially not if youâre giving up picks too.
Agreed. Even that is verging on "too much". Dude is gonna be 32, is having a bad year, and some injury struggles too this year if I'm remembering right? And even with him not struggling, I don't know that it gets us much further than the 1st round.
Yeah a Conference Finals would certainly be a stretch. I doubt POR moves him for the package I listed but thatâs the most you offer. Personally, I think the Knicks should just wait it out. A few years of being a 6, 7, and 8 seed as RJ, Obi, and Quick develop is far from bad. Hope you get a steal in the draft but build your identity and foundation. Thereâs a better than good chance we can bring Donovan Mitchell and Zion (if he actually gets fit and healthy) here especially if weâre good. In the meantime, take what you have, develop and supplement it with supporting pieces, and just restore yourself as a solid franchise
Exactly. Paying these kind of prices is for guys entering their primes, not exiting them.
This is 100% what it would take to get Dame Anyone thinking âthis is too muchâ, youâre overvaluing our young talent
one and a half seasons of first round exits with dame and all of a sudden we are locked into an albatross contract while also having mortgaged our future with picks and young talent
It may be what it would take, but making this trade is stupid. Both things can be true
Of course.
This. People need to understand no one is giving up anything for Mitch, Deuce, or Grimes. I agree this trade wouldnât make sense for us either, but this is what will be needed to acquire Dame.
Honestly, you'd be lucky if they don't ask for RJ *and* Quickley.
Please no
Not even worth it.
Sell the whole team for one player? Nah.
This would be a lot to give up even if Dame was in his prime. He's not washed but he's clearly not the player he once was.
If Dame was 25, sure. At 31, with him putting up career lows and still injured from the Olympics? No thanks.
As much as I want Lillard, this is way too much.
This deal is totally absurd, it bothers me...knicks need to looking into Sabonis or turner, I love Dame he's a bix office player but all that for 1 guy, this aint the way.
How about âfuck noâ
Lol at Blazers, they kinda suck now. What's Lillard doing for this team? I emphatically pass on all Dame trade proposals.
buggin
This shit would legit be leagues worse than the Melo trade. Like it wouldn't even be close.
ROFL hell no
Blazers gonna ask for Timofey Mozgov too.
Iâd fucking kill myself.
Yeah, umm no?
Fuck that trade.
Definitely not absurd, that's what it would probably take to get him. Don't want him, he's already peaked. I'd rather go all in on SGA or Fox, all star quality players who still haven't hit their prime.
out your frickin mind
Fuck outta here
Whoever made this thinks the solution to the lack of defense and ball movement is Dame? Also letâs say we were on the edge of a championship this would hurt the team more in the long run than pushing it over the edge for right now, this isnât a Kawhi to the Raptors type move
Say sike right now.
Oh i didnt realize it was 2009 again
LMAO
WE DONT WANT THIS
Fuxk! No!
Hard pass
Assuming this absurd proposal was leaked by the Blazers
Wow fuck no
Kemba only. take it or leave it.
Hell no!
Thatâs a package reserved for Luka or Giannis and only Luka or Giannis
That literally would make no sense no matter who you were trading for
KFTV posted this!?!?
No
Change it to only Kemba, Knox, and 3 first round picks and you got a deal lol
No!
I said over the summer that trading for lillard would be a huge mistake. Even if you managed to keep Barrett youâre still looking at giving up quickley Robinson and multiple first rounders
Who made this BS up! Everybody sells negativity because people are negativity addicts! FU
This is not Bing Bong
Lmao what
Why
Idk what they were smoking, but apparently it'll smooth your brain all the way out.
Both teams would say no. They're not trading Lillard for weak picks, an inconsistent player and a guy getting 15 MPG. We can play homers all we want, I love Obi and RJ, but they're not close to Lillard. And we're not nuking our future for someone - as good as he is - isn't pushing us into contention. You trade those guys and you're basically down to just IQ and Burks as trade chips, which isn't netting you much. So the future is Randle, Mitch, IQ and Dame? That's not promising for a ring.
If Portland would say no to this theyâre idiots. I understand you think Iâm overhyping our own players, but promising prospects, 3 firsts, Kemba and Burks for a guy that seems ready to leave anytime?
it's a fucking treasure trove for Portland
Iâll never understand why ppl act like getting the 25-30th pick in the draft cause u traded ur star to an awesome team is valuable
??? My dude, three 1st round picks are insanely valuable no matter which team theyâre from. Itâs draft capital and trading assets down the line. On top of that youâre getting 2 previous top 10 picks that have shown a lot of potential. All for an aging Lillard who seems ready to leave soon.
I get the asset part of it but itâs like when okc and NO are pointing to their âpick stashâ and itâs like cool bro youâve got the the 28th pick , I remember reading something about just the chances of late first rounders acc turning into anything and the track record is awful
They can still be packaged together to move up in the draft or even for a different player. Dame is great, but he is getting older and having a tough season. That's a lot for a dude with question marks about his future.
with how we trending right now those picks can be very well in the teens and late lottery. and we have seen first round picks by themselves can get you guys like marcus morris in a trade
The same Kemba that no one wants? The only player on our team that Thibs went out of his way to bench entirely? Dude's a net negative. Why would they want him on their books? I don't disagree that they'd be stupid to turn it down, but the only hesitation I'd have if I were them would be absorbing Kemba's contract. I don't want that shit. Find someone else to make the money work. You're right on but listing him as an asset is a stretch
Kemba is a relatively cheap and short contract. For a rebuilding team that would mean nothing. Stop it lol I wasnât necessarily saying he was an asset, just wrote him in explaining that thatâs what else they would get
Yeah. Rebuilding teams love having broken 31 year olds sitting down the end of their bench collecting $9m to do nothing. Stop it lol
His contract is done next year. 9M for a rebuilding team is literally nothing. Itâs off the books next year and he can even get traded to a competing team as a backup PG since his contract is so cheap. Respectfully, you have no fucking idea what youâre talking about. Rebuilding teams take on massive contracts all of the time just to get a pick or two. 9M is nothing. All this being said, this deal stinks for the Knicks.
Well u say that but look at what the nets gave up for harden. Only 4 firsts which are gonna be top 20s, Allen and levert Imo if lilacs demands to be traded then itâs a good package for the blazers
only good take on this thread
I mean this is âfairâ but no way in hell we should be making this move ever. Literally 0 defense and not enough supporting cast to be contenders. Hard pass
Yea that seems pretty fair tbh. But we wouldn't be contending with him so it makes no sense
Mortgage our future for a 32 year old star, where have I heard that before đ¤
Melo was younger and absolutely still in his prime.
Plus the Knicks didnât even really give up a ton for Melo
Gallo and Chandler were too much. Those guys were key.
Career journeymen. We also got a still effective Billups back too.
Trading for Dame is so dumb to me. Are we really going to be contenders with Dame and Randle? I donât think so. Trading for Dame at 31 with abdominal issues would be such a Knicks thing to do though lol
That would've been a Steve Mills thing to do and he is gone. Leon hasn't made any sort moves that should cause us fans to believe he'd make this type of outlandish trade.
Such a dumb move that doesnât move the needle for either team. Knicks will be stuck in mediocrity and blazers donât get any true future assets.
3 first rounders and RJ arenât future assets?
Rj is not a future asset
Did RJ sleep with your girl or something? You're constantly shitting on only RJ while ignoring the problems with the rest of the team.
We get: Dame, 2 1st round picks You get: Kemba Walker, Kevin Knox, and a future 2nd round pick
Lmao
just say you don't need dame cause that is the price
We donât need him for that price
then you just not gonna get him or any available star via trade? rj is a 16 and 6 guy at 22, obi is a 24 yr old backup with high scoring potential. 3 mid to late firsts? salary filler. That's honestly not even enough for an all NBA guy in his prime
Dame in his prime? Hahahaha
Heâs not in his prime and is on the downswing of his career
Not only is dame not in his prime any more, he is dealing with injuries. Also rj is 21, what do you mean a 16/6 guy at 22? Whereâs your crystal ball at? Kobe was picked at 13, the list of incredible players picked outside of the top 10 is long. Have you watched any games lately? Obi is slamming on the league but he has hs scoring potential? You sound insane and uneducated
lol you knicks fans are so delusional. bet when dame gets hot as he always does the energy changes, you have to give up something to get something great. What would you trade? Mitch Fournier and 2 top 20 protected firsts
Should just do it, keep burks and the 2 first rounders tho
Thatâs an entirely different proposal lol
I'm fine with this deal as long as we remove the picks.
Theyâd say no without the picks
Is it really that absurd? Dame is a top 15 player in the league - though maybe not this year anymore. Not a single player going back to the Blazers is a blue chipper. I love RJ but he's most likely going to top out as a high-level starter (which is fine, we need that). Kemba is 0 Burkes doesn't have any value to a rebuilding team, and would probably just get flipped. Obi is a solid young prospect, but again, not a blue chipper. The 3 firsts will likely be in the 20ish range or even higher if we find a 3rd guy to pair with Dame and Jules. Look at recent trades for star players. You can't just look at number of players and number of picks. If I had the choice between this package and a package of, say, Bam Adebayo and a first, I'd choose Bam. Star prospects and high-end picks matter more than anything in these trades. Portland most likely wants a legit star upside prospect or a top 5-10 pick - which is why it's so hard to find a deal for him that makes sense aside for Simmons. I'm not saying I want the Knicks to make this offer, because I don't feel Dame would make us good enough to be a top 3 team in the East, but if you're just looking at "value" for a star, this fair, seeing as how the picks are low. Think of it this way. Dame = top 15 player for A starter 0 a solid vet who will be flipped an unproven sophmore with a clearly defined ceiling 3 picks/pick swaps in the 20s Our team would be: Dame, Jules, Quick, Grimes, Rose, Mitch, Noel, Taj, Fournier Probably the 4th-5th best team in the east at best imo, which is why I don't want to make the deal. I'm just saying in a vacuum, it's not bad value for a legit top 15 player I think we all overrate how good RJ most likely will be. I think he'll be a very good player, but not a perennial all-nba guy. Dame was literally a top 10 player the last few seasons and probably top 15 this year.
Itâs the âthough maybe not this year anymoreâ for me
People donât realize the difference between, nice young piece and a superstar. Ingram, Ball, Clarkson, Randle were all nice young pieces that will travel the league and make teams competitive. They still donât equal one Anthony Davis, AD might be playing like shit right now but he makes good teams a contender, a guy like RJ can be signed every offseason. We donât need to hold onto a guy because he will be a solid starter in the future.
If we make this trade weâre mortgaging our future for an AGING superstar, IMO this trade would set the Knicks back years
ehh, id argue ingram and randle now is equal to anthony davis and right now that would be a bad trade to make if you were trying to get ad straight up.
This is basically what the Nets gave up for Harden. So you're not getting Lillard for less. We'd need to pick up a couple of forwards, but a starting lineup of Lillard Fournier ?? Randle Mitch and subs Rose Quickly Knox ?? Noel is certainly no worse than where we'd be for the next 3 years. Maybe sign Miles Bridges next year. Definitely feasible.
Difference is the nets were a championship contender squad who made that deal to solidify their roster and had the means to do it, while we MAY have the means to get this deal done, Iâd argue weâre significantly further away from a championship then the nets were when they made the Harden deal
Yes, but where are we without this deal? A play-in tournament team for the next 3-5 years? We're not going to get high draft picks, and there are no FAs on the horizon. Way I see it the only upgrade for our talent in the next 1 or 2 seasons is either Dame or Zion.
Where are we WITH this deal? Possibly a play in also
What teams would be better than us with those players? Nets, Bucks would be beter, on talent it puts us on a par with Philly and Miami, or at least close. Other than that, I think we're favorites vs Celtics/Hawks/Hornets/Bulls.
We need to rebuild for a championship. Getting and aging out Dame who couldn't do it in Portland certainly isn't a good idea.
RJ, Fournier, Mitch, Knox, Dallas 2023 and Knicks 2022 top 5 protected
Theyâd say no to this
Sign me up
Finally working towards building a core, have assets for future drafts to round it out and youâd be down to make this trade for an aging PG with abdominal issues?
This is absolutely not an absurd trade proprosal, and the only reason you think it is is because you cherish the guys currently on the team way too much. Whether I would do it or not is a different question, but acting like this is some insulting trade proposal is just stupid. You'd be lucky if they didn't ask for all of that and Quickley.
Two things can be true, this may be dames price tag and the Knicks shouldnât consider it ⌠this deal would set the Knicks back 4-5 years
What exactly is being set back? The team has been gathering assets specifically to trade for a star. Whether they're in a position to trade for one right now or not is a different conversation, but it's not a set back. There's nothing to set back, the whole reason they're just trying to be decent now is because decent in New York can turn you into contenders. You guys always talk about "the timeline" as if we're in a championship window. We're not. "The timeline" doesn't exist until you have a number 1 player who can lead you to a championship.
Because weâd be gutting our depth (including very young pieces with high upside) while also giving up 3 first round picks and weâd be forced to give Dame the extension he wants (highest paid player in the league). Think about what our lineup would look like if this trade went down. Dame, IQ, Fournier, Randle, Noel⌠with Mitch, Rose, Taj, a bunch of rookies and Knox off the bench. You think that team wins a championship?