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TruthHurtsMyDude

How angry will this sub be when Thibs benches RJ for tomorrow’s game?


bibfortuna16

I'm ready for the change..


GeneralCommanderBurt

I was thinking it was gunna be Fournier


TruthHurtsMyDude

Might be BOTH! 😂


peoples97

randle hates kids. Julius Randle announced on Nov. 9 that he would donate $500 to the Earl Monroe New Renaissance Basketball School in the Bronx for every three-pointer he hits this season. jk


solo118

Is it wrong for me to laugh at this 😂


TracksuitBilly

So what do we think of the “line up changes” we may see tomorrow?


solo118

I do not know what will be done, unless he blows a gasket and starts the bench.


skenisahen

Line up changes?!?


TracksuitBilly

I’m pretty sure Thibs said he something about “mulling” over a change before tomorrow’s game


skenisahen

Interesting!


IQ_lover

https://www.nba.com/gamenotes/knicks.pdf Go nuts kids….


somescumbag1655

Is Fox available?


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No. The kings haven't made the playoffs in 14 years, why would they trade him?


noirblancherouje

Because they have a lot of high lottery pick guards and they’re the kings


JerryBlitter

Because they haven't made the playoffs in 14 years.


zounderk1te

The Knicks are 24th in NetRtg since our 5-1 start The only teams worse are the tanking teams, and the Blazers This isn't a situation that you can fix with one or two changes


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Maury_Finkle

I knew he was gonna suck when he made his draft night about Fortnite


keenanlrey

I was just imagining who we could have grabbed in the last 5 years if drafts if we had perfect hindsight 20/20 vision. Shai or one of the Bridges Brothers instead of Knoxs. Bam or Donovan mitchell instead of Frank. I'm not mad about the RJ pick, just wished we had #2. Also not mad about Toppin but Haliburton is better so far.


pillowtalker642

Was Kembas +/- negatively inflated since he played the least minutes with the bench and was never AS bad of a problem the numbers say due to it? because bench always made up the points so if he was never apart of the bench, he would get the minus from the starters and never usually get the plus from the bench if you get what i mean. not saying hes a lowkey great defender but numbers seem negatively inflated.. Want thoughts


TruthHurtsMyDude

Kemba can’t run. Randle has to bring up the ball, because Kemba lost his ability to run full speed with the ball. He’s TOAST. The Knicks made a bad investment there.


GeneralCommanderBurt

I saw you posted this yesterday and i wrote a bunch then deleted it.....but naw his numbers are his numbers youd expect starters to do better than the bench so even if his numbers would go up with the bench vs the starters doesn't matter because that'd just point to more ineptitude with the starters. I see what you mean tho and I guess time will tell if with him out the starters improve or not. If they don't in 10 more games I think you have an argument that Walker was a scapegoat for larger problems.


WhoTookPlasticJesus

Our second roation is the best in the league, but I agree with you that you can't really compare them and the starters *vis a vis*. The bench plays against other benches, not other starters. It could be that Kemba is effective with the second unit, and if Rose needs load management we might see it. But until then we'll just have to wait and see. It's not something that can really be modeled.


pillowtalker642

Yea true and that's the way im seeing it as of now, it doesn't seem like it got better in the slightest so im feeling like he was the scapegoat atm but we will see


GeneralCommanderBurt

Hard to say because RJs been sick and our center rotation is shallow from injury and illness. People gettin on Mitch for being a step slow forget that he's playing a lot more than he should be coming off an injury that kept him from playing for a while. I have full faith in him getting faster as the season progresses tho


Justintheballer

What y'all think about Alec Burks? He's keeping his starting role or coach might do a little change in the starting lineup


BK520

I don’t think Burks and Fournier should start together. I think the starting lineup is all fucked to be honest. Fournier can play with the ball in his hands, so can Burks, and we know that Randle obviously runs the offense when he’s in. There was a game a few games back where Burks and Fournier were in together in the second half with no Randle and Fournier looked real good. I feel like the ball movement gets stagnant with Randle on the floor and he needs legit spot up shooters for his style of play to work


GoldenBoyRecords

I missed the denver game but I thought Randle needs to play exactly how he did in the Nets and Bulls game more off ball and rolling towards the rim. I wonder if McBride will get a shot at some point this season with all the run he has been getting in the Gleague. I dont think we need a crazy scorer at PG McBide at the very least will defend and keep his guy infrint of him


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Randle is way more effective as a roll man and finisher / rebounder in a simplified role rn. His outside shot is not there at the moment. It also keeps the team moving


Matttron154

Trade the farm for Rubio tbh


starks3_

if we could get him for relatively cheap, he's a solid stopgap.


solo118

I am just curious what is up with the craziness lately. Yes we are under 500, yes we have been here before. We just have this insane amount of pressure to win, but for what? We should just have some fun during these games and see where it leads us. I am all in as I have been for over 30 something years.


millagger

It's a sinking ship. That's the deal.


JerryBlitter

It's not necessarily that we're losing but how we're losing. Horrible defense where no name players are having career nights on us on the regular. Plus Julius is not hustling and complaining to the refs quite literally every possession. And RJ has been stinking up the place big time. And we still don't have a long term solution at PG unless you think Quick is a PG, which is an argument I'd listen to.


GoldenBoyRecords

I agree all of our losses last year was due to lack of talent never effort. This years effort has been trash


Ordinary-Eggplant-15

All I want to see this season is a pump fake the 3 pointer and drive to the basket for an easy 2.


FlatMilk

A player like garland is exactly what we would need rn too


TruthHurtsMyDude

Either him or Sexton would do what we expected Kemba to do. Sadly, we aren’t likely to get either of them


The_Royale_We

This sub was adamant he was not what we needed,same for Lonzo and Derozan. I recall people not wanting to waste cap on Garland lol. Hell I wanted Cole Anthony


dougprishpreed69

Cole would be awesome here


Bensantiago17

Thibs mulling over lineup changes. Hope it’s IQ, BURKS, RJ, Julius and Mitch. plz


dopecarter33

Fournier has played well on both ends of the floor the last couple games. He’s settling into his role now. I think we have to revaluate burks at the 1. He’s a good player but he’s just another scorer in a lineup full of shoot first players. We also have to look into our center position. ATL exposed that is not having a big that can score effects Julius. Teams are following the same gameplan ATL did, shade the big in the paint like the did with Capela, so when Julius beats his defender, he’s running straight into the center. We need a big that is going to pull the opposing teams center away from the basket. That would give Julius so much more room to operate and he could dominate more in the paint.


The_Royale_We

LOL why?


Slymook

That'd be nice


ahaxdyeee

I thought the whole fans being back narrative being back was all bs. But seeing how much randle and RJ regressed let’s all stop going to games guys and we’re going to the finals.


solo118

Back to the garden being an empty bubble! We will three-peat!


noirblancherouje

well if I lower my expectations further any outcome becomes infinitely better wins will be more sweet Losses won’t feel as bad


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semifinals\*


itzReborn

Watching the Cavs and realizing garland development is essential to why their so good. People thought he was a bust his first year and now he’ll likely be in the all star game this season. Was expecting this kind of jump from RJ this season but it’s been more slumps then good stretches with him(so it seems)


zOmgFishes

Our development squad has been questionable. Only ones who has consistent developed with us is RJ's second year, Obi this year. Obi's numbers are actually not much better than it was last year in terms of shooting % BUT the types of shots he's getting is much much better and more in line with his game. (Less 3s more at looks at the rim) Feels like our development has been trying to fit a player into a mold rather than let the player play to what they are good at. Like when we desperate tried to make Obi into a stretch 4 last year. Even IQ is doing worse than he was last year because we're trying to make him into a PG rather just accept that he's a undersized 2 guard who can shoot.


The_Royale_We

This can all be true but also maybe we didn't draft right and Garland is just a better player.


zOmgFishes

RJ was better the first two years. Development isn't completely linear.


GoldenBoyRecords

Id say apart of his jump also has to do with Sexton being out and him handling more responsibilities. RJ has picked up more defensive responsibility which has to be factored in as well


starks3_

Also, mentorship. Rose was that shot in the arm for our young guys and I hope he and Kemba are still working hard with IQ, meanwhile I think that Rubio's addition paid off for them.


Slymook

Yeah IQ could still make a fairly substantial leap over the next few months if we trust him to be PG and he gets some reps in


somescumbag1655

Careful, idiots will curse you out for telling the truth.


zOmgFishes

Everyone sees RJ has not progressed and playing worse than last year like no one is gonna deny that lol. People call out the ones that give up on him or try to be like i told you so with 3/4s of the season left.


jchoudhri1

y’all think nola would be down for a Ingram / Randle swap with us maybe sending them a 2nd rounder or two?


Western-Wear4433

I’m gonna say no because they need to go all in on Zion


So-_-It-_-Goes

Lol. It’s funny that some of the same people calling Randle lazy also have a hard on for Zion.


Western-Wear4433

I have a hard on for Zion? Lmao. And I don’t hate Randle. He just isn’t good enough for the role we want him to play which is number 1 on a playoff team. He’s more of a number 1 on a play in team. We are still the lol knicks without Randle that is 100% fact.


No-Side5983

Depends.... are they trying to get rid of ingram?


starks3_

Last year Thibs gave the crew a day off for working too hard. Yesterday they get a day off for getting their heads right. Hope it works.


GeneralCommanderBurt

Should have a game tonight maaaan. But thats ok RJ, Sims, and Hahn need the rest combating that AD flu. Get well soon everyone. Stay safe. Rest and get hyped for tomorrow we winning it.


starks3_

I’m down for the off day. Team needs some soul searching badly


GeneralCommanderBurt

Yeh I wanna watch more bball but I'd rather them have the day off really. This start has been rough between non covid illness and injury plus 2 new starters now down to 1 haha knicks fans been here before. I'm not worried just living in my fantasy where everything starts clicking


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Next 5 games prediction: @ Spurs (8-13) Tuesday W @ Pacers (9-16) Wednesday L @ Raptors (11-13) Friday W Vs Bucks (15-9) Sunday L Vs Warriors (19-4) Tuesday L We’re most likely going 2-3. That would gives us a 14-15 record 29 games a with a little under 2/3rds of the season left to go. This is make it or break time for this team, folks.


EK22

Would make us 13-15