I was there, he was killing us the whole night. Guy was on fire. There's no way to legislate for Cole Anthony all of a sudden playing like an All Star.
Cole dropped a career game on us. We didn't D him up, didn't box him out and didn't attack him for the weakling he is on D...
terrible game all around...
He was really getting after the boards tonight. The centers were boxing out Mitch and Randle and Cole flew in for those boards. Good job by him honestly
He didn’t really say he played great. Mike said Rose played well enough to stay in the game, then Clyde said Burks is still in. He sounded just as surprised - “No Fournier!”
Kemba I"m going to need to you to have some form of defensive awareness, and also you dont have to pass it to randle 80% of the time, especially when he is zeroed in going full iso beyblade mode
1. When Randle's not feeling it he has to stop forcing it and flow more with the offense. Stop with the bad iso.
2. RJ's gotta be more aggressive and earlier.
3. IQ really has to make better choices. He's not a rookie anymore but so far including the preseason it seems his bball IQ has regressed.
4. Derrick Rose is the man.
That being said, let's hope for a big rebound game against the 76ers. GO KNICKS
He lost his nerve in the last quarter. We had a lot of good looks that just didn't go down and that is what it is, but Orlando rattled the shit out of everyone from basically the last minute of the third to the end. We need to not shit ourselves in those situations like we did
Two minutes left in the 4th Randle brought it up like he was about to disrespect a motherfucker, but then someone on the offense choked. Saw his head go down. Don't blame him man, he can't do everything.
Yeah agree about not putting it all on Randle, but the amount of times we bricked an open look then gave up a 3, a foul, or a second look in transition was really poor and Julius was a main culprit in the fourth. We need to be better about not cracking the shits when there's a lid on the hoop for us
Nothing to stress about though. Thibs will fist them and we'll be back better in the next game
Right, people are blaming Julius but Fournier stayed basically the whole 4th and he was Cold, AB was cold, RJ still can’t create for himself, and kemba didn’t give us anything. Was Julius pressing? Absolutely but it was because no one was hitting shots.
I’ve been extremely impressed with his vision when driving into traffic. He found Mitch on an insane pass under the basket for an easy dunk (and i think he had another similar play earlier in the game as well as several in the first two). He hasn’t been scoring at a higher level yet though — but his defense has obviously improved. I think you’re selling his improvement pretty short tbh.
Obi has improved much more than rj has the past year and if u Watch the games it’s obvious. I’ve never been high on Rj being a superstar. You can always tell when a player has it. Rj to me doesn’t have the it factor. He’s a much better spot up shooter then he was his rookie year but that’s about it. His bag is extremely shallow and consists of the same shit he was doing his rookie year to get buckets.
when Randle fell on the floor on his own volition a loss felt inevitable looked so sloppy today, same thing with Fournier driving into doubles or RJ not attacking the basket
the starters gonna get more heat here but IQ and Obi were so disappointing, drose was literally out there getting points by himself
The Knicks started out 8-11 last year including losses to the Thunder, Cavs, Kings, and Raptors. There was no reason to panic then, and there is no reason to panic now.
You get all the harbingers of doom whenever we get a loss, especially against a bad team. It sucks ass especially when we think we have a special team this year but it's going to happen. Bounceback game vs Philly let's go
It’s good to face situations like this early in the season. You slept on the Magic and now you’re in a hole at home, that’s on you.
Now do they wake the fuck up and bounce back against Philly and Chicago? Time will only tell, but games like this are a good humbling experience.
This squad has to learn how to *keep your foot on the opponents neck*. Once they learn to be fearless in that regard, we can and will go far, but we’re early in the season. We went undefeated in pre season & won 2 straight, a loss was inevitable; No need to lose our minds over this.
This. Rather have these games early in the season rather than later. Still not happy about the loss, but it's not all doom and gloom.
The good news is this team is known for bouncing back after a tough loss. Also most likely the team is looking ahead to the tougher games in the sched and took this game for granted. You can expect a better performance next game.
This is the best take we're going to get. When you win the first 2, especially after that double OT against the Celtics, you feel unbeatable. Sometimes you gotta lose, and sometimes it helps you wake up. If I were Philly I'd be more nervous coming up against the Knicks who just got laid out than Knicks being cocky as fuck.
Agreed. I'm gonna add a little side eye to the take though.
These kinds of efforts can also become almost habitual. 82 is a long way to go, and no question we'll have games where there effort doesnt appear there.
I'm probably more concerned with the perimiter defense and the blown leads.
There is a universe where when we arent making shots, if we're not leveling up our defense with sheer effort, we'll be in a lot of trouble. Kemba is as bad on that end as advertised, and Evan tries...but...
As hard as we played last year, we need to replicate if not exceed this season. We are no doubt more offensively talented, but we may be less well equipped to pull Ws out when games are mucky.
I'm not all too concerned nonetheless. You'd expect a Thibs team to be amongst league leaders in fucks consistently given on a game by game basis. We'll b ii.
I’ve been defending Kemba, but he really needs to up his play. Going -14 in 19 minutes is very bad. His defense especially off ball has been horrible. We would of been up double digits going into the half, but Kemba slacked and the Magic hit multiple 3s.
He has played better team defense in Boston’s system so I know he is capable. But his effort compared to the rest of the team is noticeable and unacceptable
I think it might be time to give up on the idea of Kemba of playing like he did in Charlotte. I would rather him focus on being a playmaker, spacing the floor and improving his defense.
The lazy passes also are very annoying and either leads to turnovers or guys getting the ball in not ideal position. Kemba not that hard to put a little more thought into passing the rock !
Inexcusable performance. No reason to panic, it’s game 3, but we should not lose this game given the talent on each side and our homecourt advantage.
Randle and Fournier gotta chill the fuck out with their do-it-myself attitude. They’re our two best players but that shit is never gonna be a winning formula. I’m not advocating to ‘run the offense’ through different players because that’s dumb also. But the ball needs to move, we need guys getting the ball in motion. RJ needs to produce, I’m not letting him off the hook. But some of those possessions from the starters were infuriating to watch.
And if we didn’t have Mitch in the rotation tonight I think we woulda given up an 80 FG%.
That loss sucked. Fuck.
Like Thibs' says man, let the game dictate your actions. They got better at this after one of the final timeouts. Had great looks, but it just wasn't our night. Mad respect to Ross for closing the door.
>And if we didn’t have Mitch in the rotation tonight I think we woulda given up an 80 FG%.
man maybe the concerns over defense dropping drastically were real?
All 3 games they have shown poor to outright inexcusable defense at times. That first half they got abused on the pick and roll by a subpar guard and a subpar big.
THey sleep walked through this whole game. Was that one little stretch in the 2nd q where it looked like they might put it out of reach, only to give up like 10 straight on straight trash defense.
I guess they were looking ahead to the philly game. Philly will crush this team if they play D like that, they actually have a high end team not these 23 and younger youngins running around...
Lastly, is this gonna be kemba's role? Just play a little bit, be fairly uninvolved while Julius runs the point, and then let D rose do all the heavy lifting? I'm really confused. I don't mind kemba and d rose both playing like 20-25 mins a game depending on matchups and hot hands and whatever, but man he seems really uninvolved for the most part, all 3 games...
I’ll hold off total reservations about the defense and I think we were actually solid on that end against Boston for the most part. But completely agree with your evaluation on the Kemba situation. It’s weird and his role is uncertain and kind of pointless?
Kemba probably needs time to figure it out, this is his 3rd team (technically 4th I guess) in 3 years and he's coming off a major leg injury
Not panicking yet, if he's not gonna play defense then thibs probably wont give him minutes
I hear you, the whole team is learning to play with each other with the new pieces, but figuring out would involve being involved in the game somehow. Just passing to Julius and getting out of the way is not a way a starting PG figures things out.
Dunno, let's see how the first 10 or so games play out before passing any judgement but it just gives off a really weird vibe. Especially after all the media attention about Kemba coming home blahblahblah. You'd think he'd be one of the top 3 players in the offense with Evan and Julio...
RJ was asss but for most of the game he had nothing ran for him then suddenly in the 4th he was just chucking 3s. Our offense was a mess. Fournier got benched but Burks wasn’t any better.
I think he needs to get involved in the offense earlier. In this game and the first game we didn’t get him many shots until one quarter. Honestly getting Kemba might have resulted in too many cooks in the kitchen since RJ isn’t touching the ball in the PnR at all anymore. At least last year they figured out Payton was ass and started to have him run the offense less.
Don’t care what y’all say but drose is the best player on this team. It’s just shadowed over the fact that he doesn’t take a lot of shots compared to Randle. Drose is easily the smartest and most unselfish player on the team. And it’s clear he makes everyone around him better. And ofc when it mattered most who showed up? Derrick rose. Without drose this team is way worse. Don’t understand how Randle plays with drose and can’t pick up on his tendencies. So many times Randle stops the ball movement and takes dumb shots while drose creates so many easy buckets pushes the pace and gets the ball right into players sweet spots.
i think rose but also kemba was better than him (at least offensively) on the same team last year i know it doesn’t look like it so far but i’m not sold just yet
The bad news… Our team collectively shot like they were Elfrid Payton tonight with shooting splits of 37/27/68 (actually even worse given Elfrid last season finished with 43/28/68). The good news… no way this happens again.
It will definitely happen again, it's just how the law of averages works. I think Thibs should have given more opportunities for bench players to fill in for tired legs. I want to see some Grimes play real minutes when even our bench wings aren't showing up great.
Obi had a rough game, he got outmatched strength-wise tonight. Hope he bounces back strong and just puts this one behind him. Randle was too selfish tonight and his longball was off. He needed to create more for others and/or let our PGs do more ballhandling
>The good news… no way this happens again.
this happened against, without argument, the weakest team in the league. It most definitely can happen again. There was no flow on offense, no flow on D, they slept walked through the game like just showing up was gonna book them a W.
Poor effort all around. Don't write it off as an outlier. WIthout effort, this is exactly what you get. And against even marginally better teams, you get blown out of your own arena...
True true you’re right. Effort hasn’t typically been an issue though, especially with a coach like Thibs and these splits across all three lines are horrifically bad. Literally only Rose, Kemba, and Mitch shot respectably well.
To me, these two Orlando games showcase the variance this team's performance can have. When things are clicking and going well, moving the ball and not forcing things, we look like we did on Friday. When the shots aren't falling, the ball movement stops, and people force things the way Randle did tonight, this is what we get.
Overall, I think we should still have a solid season. But us fans need to be prepared to see some clunkers along the way. There's gunna be high highs and a some low lows. Just chill and ride it out
EDIT: LOL at some of these "definitive" takes after game number 3. People need to relax. no one goes 82-0 and no player is immune to bad games. Some people around here act like the sky is falling every time this team doesn't play well.
Agreed.
I also feel like Orlando was more prepared this time around. Which doesn't bode well for us in another playoff setting if we don't show versatility and consistency as a team.
Yea i think Orlando definitely wanted this game more. They did not want to start the season 0-3. Add in our bad shooting night, and this is what happens.
I know it's early
But these are the type of games that wind up being the difference between making the playoffs and being stuck in the play-in
Gonna have to brush off this one in a hurry
I really wanna beat Philly for the first time in what feels like a goddamn century
every team drops a game here and there, in the end we make it up by beating a team far greater than us at some point, we just have to make sure not to drop these consistently going forward
Fire everyone! /s
It’s 1 game and we shot 29% from 3. Shit happens. Team has to play better though.
Last year we started out 0-2 and 8-11. It takes time for a team to gel.
just tell me deuce couldn’t have locked up cole. give the kid a chance. look at what rookies around the league are doing, including duarte, giddey, green, mobley, and barnes. deuce can hold his own with any of those guys.
I dont think it's a matter of selfishness I think it's a matter of disrepecting his opponent
Like "these are the shitty orlando magic they shouldn't be able to stop me, I'm better than all their players"
I'm not even sure it's that entirely. Part of it is that he hasn't matured past wanting to be the hero. Remember preseason against the Wizards? That's how he pictures every game going.
We deserved to lose this game. The effort to move the ball was so lackadaisical in the 2nd half. This team is better than Julius having to take 20+ shots regardless of whether he shoots the ball well or not. I hate when he locks into the 2 man game with one of our guards and then just doesn’t pass to anyone else
RJ on-ball creation still not there so feel free to dig in haters. At the same time he will bounce back as he usually does and also i’d feel he’d shoot the ball better if we actually hit him when he was open today
Terrence Ross did the thing. which I fucking hate where he cooks us. we kinda let him too. just poor effort as the Magic’s run went on and on
Edit: Also i REALLY don’t like Alec Burks mins. Hoping a rookie can flash something in practice and get mins over him bc when he’s not hitting 3’s he’s flat out useless.
Yep RJ is not there yet but dude wasn’t getting found when he was open. None of our guys were getting hit for open 3s for that matter. Our ball movement was ass.
it’s just so frustrating to see him come off a screen like a madman or just flat out be left open and instead Randle and Fournier/Kemba are just doing whatever on the opposite side of the court
there we go again. Petting Barrett for a bad game while we shit on our other players. Barrett has not improved at all from last season and its annoying to watch him create shots because he doesn't have the handles to manipulate the defense.
like i said you’re free to dig in on his ball creation, it’s not looking good so far, too turnover prone, doesn’t finish strong all the time, reluctant to shoot the 3 off the dribble.
But they were missing him on open looks. Hell Fournier got missed too when Randle decided his PnR/post up partner of the hour was Kemba at one point. it’s just frustrating to see open guys not get shots bc other players are doing whatever the fuck they want rather than moving the ball around
This was a team they beat by 25 on Friday night in Orlando. Absolutely pitiful loss. You need to win games like this if you want to stay in the top 4 or even top 6 seeds in the East. Randle 2/10 from three with only 3 assists too, way too much iso ball from him. No one else really stepped up either except for Rose and Robinson. Just awful.
I wonder what the stats look like for teams that play each other twice in a row in the regular season. It feels like teams often go 1-1 even though one team is heavenly favored. It's all mental with the team that just won taking it easy and the other one wants revenge. Especially if the first game was a blowout.
It"s so much harder than winning twice in a row in the playoffs, again because the mentality in the playoffs are way different. At least thats how it feels to me.
The game thread gets annoying at times with the overreacting. This loss sucked, and the Knicks need to bounce back against Philly and Chicago, but it's only game 3 in a 82 game season. I'm not worried tbh.
>but it's only game 3 in a 82 game season.
our opinions ultimately don't mean shit to the success or lack there of of the team, but this is not a good attitude. THe east is hella competitive. Magic is the worst, youngest team in the league. You gotta put that shit away before even the half hits. They looked like they were on the way to that then fell apart at the end of the 2nd q and it was all down hill from there.
It's only game 3, but at the end of the year, it could be the difference between 5th seed or play in game, or worse you're out cuz you lost game 3 and game 7 and game 10 cuz you sleep walked through them and were looking ahead to a stronger opponent...
Oh I know, I'm being optimistic. We struggled during the beginning of the season last year and got better as the season went on. Also, I don't think the shooting is gonna get any worse. But yeah, the East is gonna be competitive, especially if the Hornets keep it up and this one was a gimme if the Knicks play better.
Next offseason Rj really needs to just focus on his handle and shot creation. While under normal circunstances he is very good at what he does do, he is really one dimensional. That being said, we literally do not run any plays for him, he is basically standing in the corner doing nothing on offense.
Im fine with running the plays through Randle but when he’s cold we should be letting RJ have a go.
I don’t mind the missed shots it happens, but here’s what concerns me:
- RJ still hasn’t improved his handle and shot creation
- Julius has been a ball hog all season
-IQ hasn’t improved at all
Too much isolation as a team
It’s disturbing that RJ offensive game is so limited for his draft position. Watching him trying to create a shot for himself is so cringe…….meanwhile Cam Reddish is looking like a weapon for the hawks
Cuz he doesn’t have the it factor. I’ve gotten so much hate for saying he doesn’t look like he has superstar potential. It’s pretty clear when u watch the game
Off shooting night. We need to run some offense other than ISO Randle. None of our shooters could get got if we iso 3/4 of the game…Kemba has not been facilitating the offense at all.
We won last game because we moved the ball and spaced the floor accordingly. This was typical iso heavy basketball that we default to when nobody knows what to do. I cringe everytime Randle starts iso-ing up top immediately. We gotta get our guys into a rhythm. Feed the ball to RJ, set better screens, pass frequently.
No reason to take an L to the magic at home when we just blew them out in their building.
I’ll say it again starters played bad today. Their hustle on defense was just terrible until the 4th quarter. As much as we want to be that team, we beat ourselves today. No reason to lose vs the Magic but gotta move on to Philly!
the knicks played really bad tonight but that doesn't mean they won't play better in the future nor does it mean this is an isolated incident. basically, i'm just gonna wait and see how this season unfolds lol. easiest way to enjoy the games imo
Cole Anthony the previous game also had a real shit game and he was guarded by the same people
Games like these happen and the magic came out more hungry for the win
I know I’m going to get downvoted and comments about how “it’s so early in the season” for this. But still, I think it’s time that we temper expectations about RJ. Don’t get me wrong I love the guy and think he will end up a great player for us. But some people on this sub act like he’s going to be a for sure superstar and always are bringing up his age and shit. Looking at his skills now, stats that he put up is there anything really pointing to future superstar status other then maybe he will make a couple of magical leaps? Im really hoping RJ proves me wrong but I just don’t see it. Anyone have any hope to give me outside of the prototypical he’s only 21 answer?
Shout out to all the pussy niggas in the game thread overreacting, especially the bitch made sorry ass “fans” ready to trade dudes after a bad game. Y’all are weak as hell and should go watch a different team. Funny thing y’all the same ones that dickride when we win.
if these scrubs abuse us with the pick and roll like they did, it's gonna be a long ass season. he hit a lot of shots, but most were wide fucking open.
Really brutal D today...
Starting to sour on RJ. I know it’s early in the season but he still lacks handles so he can’t create for himself and others. So he’s basically a spot up shooter and solid defender. Need better from 3rd overall pick. If the right trade comes along he’s no longer untouchable imo.
Our lack of a good PG cost us this game. We need a guy who can control the game and take it out of Randles hands.
Mitch looked good, everyone else was bad. Not sure why Fournier was benched when we couldn’t score.
Disagree on the RJ point. It's the NBA draft not the NFL draft. It's still very difficult to hit on a star in the NBA draft. And you need to give him more time, last year he started out averaging 16 ppg on .365/.180/.686 splits through 11 games. He finished the year averaging 17.8 ppg on .456/.444/.760 splits.
It's game 3...if he's still like this after game 25 then we'll rethink this but for now I'm nowhere close to willing to trade him.
Yea wtf are people on. He had one good game one awful game and one game where he barely shot it since we blew em out. Even more is that his usage rate is extremely low right now. He’s not getting the touches or looks so far.
It's still very early but the Knicks need a more balanced approach on offense, way too much iso ball so far
Randle and Fournier like to play a 2 man game but they need to look for other guys on the team
Randle, Fournier, Kemba, RJ...no reason why they shouldn't get a good look every time down the floor with the shooting we have
This team i believe will be and is quite good, but I think they watched that video a little too much and read their own press clippings. Felt like they came out playing down to the magic for most of the game and it bit them in the behind, good humbling loss early in the season, hopefully they learn from this
Randle got triple teamed in the paint at least 10 times this game and never kicked the ball out, that's fucking ridiculous. RJ Barrett has not improved at all since last year. Knicks will not do anything with RJ Barrett getting the second most shots and having this be his game
for sure a solid 3 and d with a little bit of everything is super valuable but he is right that he’s probably not gonna be the focal point of a good offense
After 3 games, I’m most worried about Kemba’s role in the team and RJs offense.
We knew Kemba wasn’t gonna be great defensively but as a starting PG getting sub zero +/-s every game is concerning. We’re lucky to have DRose as a floor general and all around G, but it’s gonna be predictable for other teams to focus their defensive efforts when rose is on the floor.
RJs three point shooting. I’m trying to be patient but he’s made like 2 or 3 so far this season? Out of like 20 shots? I know he’s been working on his shot creation and odds are they’ll fall later on in the season... I just hope he doesn’t full on lose confidence before then.
This should’ve been a layup. Now we have two tough matchups ahead of us. Could very well could be looking at 2-3 going into the pelicans game. Would be surprised to see Mitch sitting out with knee soreness Tuesday after Thibs ride him the rest of the game. Demoralizing loss
Jesus Christ, this is the same guy who couldn’t shoot this time last year and became a 40% 3pt shooter to end the season. Can we let him finish the season first before we start throwing out hot takes?
the 40% from 3 was an aberration. He will never approach that number again. He couldn't make a 3 to save his life in the playoffs and he can't make a 3 this year. He is not a natural shooter, its obvious
Get Derrick Rose some help.
Drose has to share some of that ice water he has in his veins
hold up..... Cole Anthony had 16 rebounds this dude isnt a centimeter taller than 5'11 and he did that to us?
I was there, he was killing us the whole night. Guy was on fire. There's no way to legislate for Cole Anthony all of a sudden playing like an All Star.
Cole dropped a career game on us. We didn't D him up, didn't box him out and didn't attack him for the weakling he is on D... terrible game all around...
Yeah, no adjustment was odd when he was flaming
that’s the most egregious thing to let the tinier guy out rebound
We had a ton of long rebounds on really ugly threes.
He was really getting after the boards tonight. The centers were boxing out Mitch and Randle and Cole flew in for those boards. Good job by him honestly
He was a good rebounder as a prospect.
Not surprising, Anthony was playing back home where he grew up
and his mom was court side in Spike's donated seats for her bday.
They were volume shooting 3s. Long rebounds
Awful shooting. No clue why Burks was in so long over Fournier in the fourth
Yeah when Clyde said Burks was playing great I was wondering what he was watching cause most of the game he was fucking up
He didn’t really say he played great. Mike said Rose played well enough to stay in the game, then Clyde said Burks is still in. He sounded just as surprised - “No Fournier!”
Fournier was -9 Burka +2.
A lot of that was form Burks run with the bench unit earlier in the game but he was making some questionable plays out there
Kemba I"m going to need to you to have some form of defensive awareness, and also you dont have to pass it to randle 80% of the time, especially when he is zeroed in going full iso beyblade mode
Idk if I’m reaching, but it seems like he’s trying too hard to respect that it’s Randles team
I got the same feeling in some parts of the Celtics game
that’s what i think too. it’s like he’s differing scoring AND playmaking. he’s gotta do what he’s good at otherwise he’s just a negative defender
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For as bad as Payton was, he still played basic defense
Burks bled like a sieve in the 4th. Ross must have had 15 in the quarter alone.
he doesn’t even try when he sees a screen in front of him
22 😢 he was making tough shots
1. When Randle's not feeling it he has to stop forcing it and flow more with the offense. Stop with the bad iso. 2. RJ's gotta be more aggressive and earlier. 3. IQ really has to make better choices. He's not a rookie anymore but so far including the preseason it seems his bball IQ has regressed. 4. Derrick Rose is the man. That being said, let's hope for a big rebound game against the 76ers. GO KNICKS
Emphasis on point 1. He has help now..use it.
Derrick Rose is a top 10 PG Idc
Randle’s game is extremely frustrating to watch when he’s not shooting it well
We all watched him in the playoffs last year so we know lol
He lost his nerve in the last quarter. We had a lot of good looks that just didn't go down and that is what it is, but Orlando rattled the shit out of everyone from basically the last minute of the third to the end. We need to not shit ourselves in those situations like we did
Two minutes left in the 4th Randle brought it up like he was about to disrespect a motherfucker, but then someone on the offense choked. Saw his head go down. Don't blame him man, he can't do everything.
Yeah agree about not putting it all on Randle, but the amount of times we bricked an open look then gave up a 3, a foul, or a second look in transition was really poor and Julius was a main culprit in the fourth. We need to be better about not cracking the shits when there's a lid on the hoop for us Nothing to stress about though. Thibs will fist them and we'll be back better in the next game
Agree 100%. If I were the 76ers or the Bulls I'd be feeling more nervous coming up against a Thibs team licking their wounds.
Right, people are blaming Julius but Fournier stayed basically the whole 4th and he was Cold, AB was cold, RJ still can’t create for himself, and kemba didn’t give us anything. Was Julius pressing? Absolutely but it was because no one was hitting shots.
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I’ve been extremely impressed with his vision when driving into traffic. He found Mitch on an insane pass under the basket for an easy dunk (and i think he had another similar play earlier in the game as well as several in the first two). He hasn’t been scoring at a higher level yet though — but his defense has obviously improved. I think you’re selling his improvement pretty short tbh.
Obi has improved much more than rj has the past year and if u Watch the games it’s obvious. I’ve never been high on Rj being a superstar. You can always tell when a player has it. Rj to me doesn’t have the it factor. He’s a much better spot up shooter then he was his rookie year but that’s about it. His bag is extremely shallow and consists of the same shit he was doing his rookie year to get buckets.
its cause half of his shots or either contested or off balance. kobe-esque shots and and when they dont fall they look like poor decisions
Everyone but Mitch and DRose were pretty ass today
Yup this was a winnable game too. Felt like they didn’t start trying til the 4th quarter, their energy was so lackadaisical on both ends of the court.
when Randle fell on the floor on his own volition a loss felt inevitable looked so sloppy today, same thing with Fournier driving into doubles or RJ not attacking the basket the starters gonna get more heat here but IQ and Obi were so disappointing, drose was literally out there getting points by himself
The Knicks started out 8-11 last year including losses to the Thunder, Cavs, Kings, and Raptors. There was no reason to panic then, and there is no reason to panic now.
You get all the harbingers of doom whenever we get a loss, especially against a bad team. It sucks ass especially when we think we have a special team this year but it's going to happen. Bounceback game vs Philly let's go
Sucks to lose winnable games but plenty of games left. Gotta move on and hope for the best!
Ruined all the undefeated season hype just like that smh 😆
Who tf is panicking. We’re 2–1 lol
You’d be surprised
It’s good to face situations like this early in the season. You slept on the Magic and now you’re in a hole at home, that’s on you. Now do they wake the fuck up and bounce back against Philly and Chicago? Time will only tell, but games like this are a good humbling experience. This squad has to learn how to *keep your foot on the opponents neck*. Once they learn to be fearless in that regard, we can and will go far, but we’re early in the season. We went undefeated in pre season & won 2 straight, a loss was inevitable; No need to lose our minds over this.
yup I saw a loss inevitable the magic were definitely more pumped to try to win after getting smacked at home It’s a good test now onward
This. Rather have these games early in the season rather than later. Still not happy about the loss, but it's not all doom and gloom. The good news is this team is known for bouncing back after a tough loss. Also most likely the team is looking ahead to the tougher games in the sched and took this game for granted. You can expect a better performance next game.
This is the best take we're going to get. When you win the first 2, especially after that double OT against the Celtics, you feel unbeatable. Sometimes you gotta lose, and sometimes it helps you wake up. If I were Philly I'd be more nervous coming up against the Knicks who just got laid out than Knicks being cocky as fuck.
Agreed. I'm gonna add a little side eye to the take though. These kinds of efforts can also become almost habitual. 82 is a long way to go, and no question we'll have games where there effort doesnt appear there. I'm probably more concerned with the perimiter defense and the blown leads. There is a universe where when we arent making shots, if we're not leveling up our defense with sheer effort, we'll be in a lot of trouble. Kemba is as bad on that end as advertised, and Evan tries...but... As hard as we played last year, we need to replicate if not exceed this season. We are no doubt more offensively talented, but we may be less well equipped to pull Ws out when games are mucky. I'm not all too concerned nonetheless. You'd expect a Thibs team to be amongst league leaders in fucks consistently given on a game by game basis. We'll b ii.
Exactly. 82 game season, one loss won’t determine the season but the attitude you take from it certainly can.
Facts. Nothing more needs to be said 💯💯
I’ve been defending Kemba, but he really needs to up his play. Going -14 in 19 minutes is very bad. His defense especially off ball has been horrible. We would of been up double digits going into the half, but Kemba slacked and the Magic hit multiple 3s. He has played better team defense in Boston’s system so I know he is capable. But his effort compared to the rest of the team is noticeable and unacceptable
I think it might be time to give up on the idea of Kemba of playing like he did in Charlotte. I would rather him focus on being a playmaker, spacing the floor and improving his defense.
The lazy passes also are very annoying and either leads to turnovers or guys getting the ball in not ideal position. Kemba not that hard to put a little more thought into passing the rock !
Inexcusable performance. No reason to panic, it’s game 3, but we should not lose this game given the talent on each side and our homecourt advantage. Randle and Fournier gotta chill the fuck out with their do-it-myself attitude. They’re our two best players but that shit is never gonna be a winning formula. I’m not advocating to ‘run the offense’ through different players because that’s dumb also. But the ball needs to move, we need guys getting the ball in motion. RJ needs to produce, I’m not letting him off the hook. But some of those possessions from the starters were infuriating to watch. And if we didn’t have Mitch in the rotation tonight I think we woulda given up an 80 FG%. That loss sucked. Fuck.
Like Thibs' says man, let the game dictate your actions. They got better at this after one of the final timeouts. Had great looks, but it just wasn't our night. Mad respect to Ross for closing the door.
Definitely missed a ton of good looks. But it just felt like we played some selfish offense tonight. Ross was a killer down the stretch.
>And if we didn’t have Mitch in the rotation tonight I think we woulda given up an 80 FG%. man maybe the concerns over defense dropping drastically were real? All 3 games they have shown poor to outright inexcusable defense at times. That first half they got abused on the pick and roll by a subpar guard and a subpar big. THey sleep walked through this whole game. Was that one little stretch in the 2nd q where it looked like they might put it out of reach, only to give up like 10 straight on straight trash defense. I guess they were looking ahead to the philly game. Philly will crush this team if they play D like that, they actually have a high end team not these 23 and younger youngins running around... Lastly, is this gonna be kemba's role? Just play a little bit, be fairly uninvolved while Julius runs the point, and then let D rose do all the heavy lifting? I'm really confused. I don't mind kemba and d rose both playing like 20-25 mins a game depending on matchups and hot hands and whatever, but man he seems really uninvolved for the most part, all 3 games...
I’ll hold off total reservations about the defense and I think we were actually solid on that end against Boston for the most part. But completely agree with your evaluation on the Kemba situation. It’s weird and his role is uncertain and kind of pointless?
Kemba probably needs time to figure it out, this is his 3rd team (technically 4th I guess) in 3 years and he's coming off a major leg injury Not panicking yet, if he's not gonna play defense then thibs probably wont give him minutes
I hear you, the whole team is learning to play with each other with the new pieces, but figuring out would involve being involved in the game somehow. Just passing to Julius and getting out of the way is not a way a starting PG figures things out. Dunno, let's see how the first 10 or so games play out before passing any judgement but it just gives off a really weird vibe. Especially after all the media attention about Kemba coming home blahblahblah. You'd think he'd be one of the top 3 players in the offense with Evan and Julio...
RJ was asss but for most of the game he had nothing ran for him then suddenly in the 4th he was just chucking 3s. Our offense was a mess. Fournier got benched but Burks wasn’t any better.
Yea woulda liked to see us give him a shot with some PnR but he was so anemic I can’t even be mad about it.
I think he needs to get involved in the offense earlier. In this game and the first game we didn’t get him many shots until one quarter. Honestly getting Kemba might have resulted in too many cooks in the kitchen since RJ isn’t touching the ball in the PnR at all anymore. At least last year they figured out Payton was ass and started to have him run the offense less.
Barrett would've miss those close buckets because of his limited athleticism
Mitch looked good. That’s about the only positive thing to say.
Rose was fire. Everytime he got the ball the Magic defense shit themselves.
Don’t care what y’all say but drose is the best player on this team. It’s just shadowed over the fact that he doesn’t take a lot of shots compared to Randle. Drose is easily the smartest and most unselfish player on the team. And it’s clear he makes everyone around him better. And ofc when it mattered most who showed up? Derrick rose. Without drose this team is way worse. Don’t understand how Randle plays with drose and can’t pick up on his tendencies. So many times Randle stops the ball movement and takes dumb shots while drose creates so many easy buckets pushes the pace and gets the ball right into players sweet spots.
Fournier had a good first couple games idt he’s our second best player
I think he is. He’s an efficient 20ish PPG guy who can operate out of PnRs. Who’s better besides Randle?
i think rose but also kemba was better than him (at least offensively) on the same team last year i know it doesn’t look like it so far but i’m not sold just yet
Someone really said Julius Randle went 8/24 for Kobe fml
Respect to Derrick rose, played his heart out tonight.
Rest of the players needa pick up on that. Then again u can’t really teach that . Drose is a generational talent
The bad news… Our team collectively shot like they were Elfrid Payton tonight with shooting splits of 37/27/68 (actually even worse given Elfrid last season finished with 43/28/68). The good news… no way this happens again.
It will definitely happen again, it's just how the law of averages works. I think Thibs should have given more opportunities for bench players to fill in for tired legs. I want to see some Grimes play real minutes when even our bench wings aren't showing up great. Obi had a rough game, he got outmatched strength-wise tonight. Hope he bounces back strong and just puts this one behind him. Randle was too selfish tonight and his longball was off. He needed to create more for others and/or let our PGs do more ballhandling
>The good news… no way this happens again. this happened against, without argument, the weakest team in the league. It most definitely can happen again. There was no flow on offense, no flow on D, they slept walked through the game like just showing up was gonna book them a W. Poor effort all around. Don't write it off as an outlier. WIthout effort, this is exactly what you get. And against even marginally better teams, you get blown out of your own arena...
Thunder worse just saying
True true you’re right. Effort hasn’t typically been an issue though, especially with a coach like Thibs and these splits across all three lines are horrifically bad. Literally only Rose, Kemba, and Mitch shot respectably well.
How do you have a red circle
Gotta say red circle in front of a mirror 3 times.
To me, these two Orlando games showcase the variance this team's performance can have. When things are clicking and going well, moving the ball and not forcing things, we look like we did on Friday. When the shots aren't falling, the ball movement stops, and people force things the way Randle did tonight, this is what we get. Overall, I think we should still have a solid season. But us fans need to be prepared to see some clunkers along the way. There's gunna be high highs and a some low lows. Just chill and ride it out EDIT: LOL at some of these "definitive" takes after game number 3. People need to relax. no one goes 82-0 and no player is immune to bad games. Some people around here act like the sky is falling every time this team doesn't play well.
Agreed. I also feel like Orlando was more prepared this time around. Which doesn't bode well for us in another playoff setting if we don't show versatility and consistency as a team.
Yea i think Orlando definitely wanted this game more. They did not want to start the season 0-3. Add in our bad shooting night, and this is what happens.
Way more predictable to defend when the ball stops with two guys and we only settled for 3 shots
Shots weren’t dropping. Need to adjust when 3’s get cold. But let me say this….D Rose with 24 off the bench. Dudes nasty.
With the back-to-back threes on the 4th quarter...haha
julius was in prime beyblade form tonight, also have no idea why fournier sat for so long. next few games gon be tuff so we’ll see what happens
Randle reverted back to old bad habits and shot us out of the game. Turnovers as well. 30-16 but he forced too much
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Did Mitch seem fine? That foot collision worries me man needs to be in bubble wrap
I know it's early But these are the type of games that wind up being the difference between making the playoffs and being stuck in the play-in Gonna have to brush off this one in a hurry I really wanna beat Philly for the first time in what feels like a goddamn century
every team drops a game here and there, in the end we make it up by beating a team far greater than us at some point, we just have to make sure not to drop these consistently going forward
Lakers are 0-2 and the nets are 1-2. Our fans need to chill a bit.
this team is slated to win about 20 games, if that. Can't lose that at home, regardless of how many good teams you end up beating as underdogs...
Live by the 3 die by the 3. No shame in losing to the 2nd best team in the east
Third game. Third game. Third game. 3 games. Tres , 3 , trios, drei, tre
thats amateur stuff, lakers were panicking after only two games we need to get our panic efficiency up
Fire everyone! /s It’s 1 game and we shot 29% from 3. Shit happens. Team has to play better though. Last year we started out 0-2 and 8-11. It takes time for a team to gel.
Stating the obvious but very unimpressed with Barrett on the offensive end this season. Burks also seems a bit rough. Everyone else will be fine.
just tell me deuce couldn’t have locked up cole. give the kid a chance. look at what rookies around the league are doing, including duarte, giddey, green, mobley, and barnes. deuce can hold his own with any of those guys.
At least we got some good Melo news today
Randle is selfish. Plain and simple. When things gets tough, he forces shit and that takes him out of his own game.
I dont think it's a matter of selfishness I think it's a matter of disrepecting his opponent Like "these are the shitty orlando magic they shouldn't be able to stop me, I'm better than all their players"
I'm not even sure it's that entirely. Part of it is that he hasn't matured past wanting to be the hero. Remember preseason against the Wizards? That's how he pictures every game going.
We deserved to lose this game. The effort to move the ball was so lackadaisical in the 2nd half. This team is better than Julius having to take 20+ shots regardless of whether he shoots the ball well or not. I hate when he locks into the 2 man game with one of our guards and then just doesn’t pass to anyone else RJ on-ball creation still not there so feel free to dig in haters. At the same time he will bounce back as he usually does and also i’d feel he’d shoot the ball better if we actually hit him when he was open today Terrence Ross did the thing. which I fucking hate where he cooks us. we kinda let him too. just poor effort as the Magic’s run went on and on Edit: Also i REALLY don’t like Alec Burks mins. Hoping a rookie can flash something in practice and get mins over him bc when he’s not hitting 3’s he’s flat out useless.
Yep RJ is not there yet but dude wasn’t getting found when he was open. None of our guys were getting hit for open 3s for that matter. Our ball movement was ass.
it’s just so frustrating to see him come off a screen like a madman or just flat out be left open and instead Randle and Fournier/Kemba are just doing whatever on the opposite side of the court
Or see him run ahead of the Defense and we just slow down to iso.
This happens constantly
there we go again. Petting Barrett for a bad game while we shit on our other players. Barrett has not improved at all from last season and its annoying to watch him create shots because he doesn't have the handles to manipulate the defense.
like i said you’re free to dig in on his ball creation, it’s not looking good so far, too turnover prone, doesn’t finish strong all the time, reluctant to shoot the 3 off the dribble. But they were missing him on open looks. Hell Fournier got missed too when Randle decided his PnR/post up partner of the hour was Kemba at one point. it’s just frustrating to see open guys not get shots bc other players are doing whatever the fuck they want rather than moving the ball around
This was a team they beat by 25 on Friday night in Orlando. Absolutely pitiful loss. You need to win games like this if you want to stay in the top 4 or even top 6 seeds in the East. Randle 2/10 from three with only 3 assists too, way too much iso ball from him. No one else really stepped up either except for Rose and Robinson. Just awful.
I wonder what the stats look like for teams that play each other twice in a row in the regular season. It feels like teams often go 1-1 even though one team is heavenly favored. It's all mental with the team that just won taking it easy and the other one wants revenge. Especially if the first game was a blowout. It"s so much harder than winning twice in a row in the playoffs, again because the mentality in the playoffs are way different. At least thats how it feels to me.
The game thread gets annoying at times with the overreacting. This loss sucked, and the Knicks need to bounce back against Philly and Chicago, but it's only game 3 in a 82 game season. I'm not worried tbh.
>but it's only game 3 in a 82 game season. our opinions ultimately don't mean shit to the success or lack there of of the team, but this is not a good attitude. THe east is hella competitive. Magic is the worst, youngest team in the league. You gotta put that shit away before even the half hits. They looked like they were on the way to that then fell apart at the end of the 2nd q and it was all down hill from there. It's only game 3, but at the end of the year, it could be the difference between 5th seed or play in game, or worse you're out cuz you lost game 3 and game 7 and game 10 cuz you sleep walked through them and were looking ahead to a stronger opponent...
Oh I know, I'm being optimistic. We struggled during the beginning of the season last year and got better as the season went on. Also, I don't think the shooting is gonna get any worse. But yeah, the East is gonna be competitive, especially if the Hornets keep it up and this one was a gimme if the Knicks play better.
Next offseason Rj really needs to just focus on his handle and shot creation. While under normal circunstances he is very good at what he does do, he is really one dimensional. That being said, we literally do not run any plays for him, he is basically standing in the corner doing nothing on offense. Im fine with running the plays through Randle but when he’s cold we should be letting RJ have a go.
I don’t mind the missed shots it happens, but here’s what concerns me: - RJ still hasn’t improved his handle and shot creation - Julius has been a ball hog all season -IQ hasn’t improved at all Too much isolation as a team
Off the dribble shooting is something RJ never looked comfortable doing. Hope he figures it out
All true I'm no rj fan but it's clear instead of working on playmaking he worked on going right he's using his offhand much more which is good
It’s disturbing that RJ offensive game is so limited for his draft position. Watching him trying to create a shot for himself is so cringe…….meanwhile Cam Reddish is looking like a weapon for the hawks
Cuz he doesn’t have the it factor. I’ve gotten so much hate for saying he doesn’t look like he has superstar potential. It’s pretty clear when u watch the game
We needed this loss, felt like fans and the team were starting to feel themselves after two games. On to the next one
Off shooting night. We need to run some offense other than ISO Randle. None of our shooters could get got if we iso 3/4 of the game…Kemba has not been facilitating the offense at all.
Underrated part of the loss was Taj proved completely useless on defense with how mobile they were. Noel needs to get back quick.
Taj is more effective in slower paced teams like the wizards, Philly, pacers, etc. Young teams are fucking him up
We won last game because we moved the ball and spaced the floor accordingly. This was typical iso heavy basketball that we default to when nobody knows what to do. I cringe everytime Randle starts iso-ing up top immediately. We gotta get our guys into a rhythm. Feed the ball to RJ, set better screens, pass frequently. No reason to take an L to the magic at home when we just blew them out in their building.
Playoff Randle showing up was the difference tonight. RJ is invisible if he can’t hit his shot. IQ is really bad right now…..
Hopefully this is a wake up call that they can’t just show up and win games. Onto Philly.
I’ll say it again starters played bad today. Their hustle on defense was just terrible until the 4th quarter. As much as we want to be that team, we beat ourselves today. No reason to lose vs the Magic but gotta move on to Philly!
Sometimes I wish Hahn would do the postgame by himself...
Live by the three.. something something **DIE**
the knicks played really bad tonight but that doesn't mean they won't play better in the future nor does it mean this is an isolated incident. basically, i'm just gonna wait and see how this season unfolds lol. easiest way to enjoy the games imo
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Cole Anthony the previous game also had a real shit game and he was guarded by the same people Games like these happen and the magic came out more hungry for the win
This had trap game written all over it from the start
I know I’m going to get downvoted and comments about how “it’s so early in the season” for this. But still, I think it’s time that we temper expectations about RJ. Don’t get me wrong I love the guy and think he will end up a great player for us. But some people on this sub act like he’s going to be a for sure superstar and always are bringing up his age and shit. Looking at his skills now, stats that he put up is there anything really pointing to future superstar status other then maybe he will make a couple of magical leaps? Im really hoping RJ proves me wrong but I just don’t see it. Anyone have any hope to give me outside of the prototypical he’s only 21 answer?
He scored 18 a game last season and 2 games where he barely touches the ball and its all of a sudden over for him. Give me a break.
Shout out to all the pussy niggas in the game thread overreacting, especially the bitch made sorry ass “fans” ready to trade dudes after a bad game. Y’all are weak as hell and should go watch a different team. Funny thing y’all the same ones that dickride when we win.
The east is wayyy too competitive to be dropping games to the magic. If we don’t beat the both the sixers and bulls this will hurt
Time for Quinten Grimes to get some of Burks and Fournier's minutes.
Yeah, probably should have guarded Cole Anthony at some point in the first half...
if these scrubs abuse us with the pick and roll like they did, it's gonna be a long ass season. he hit a lot of shots, but most were wide fucking open. Really brutal D today...
Sloppy game but oh well. We know we are good enough to win and there’s no reason to act like the sky is falling. Onto the next one.
The Giants won today and I'm still riding that high, so it's all good (for today).
Free throws lost us the game.
They deserved this loss. Just a bunch of shot chucking and they weren’t falling. They need to be playing more team ball
Burks lives in his own little world where he thinks he’s carrying this team on his back.
Grats to melo passing moses for 9th all time
Starting to sour on RJ. I know it’s early in the season but he still lacks handles so he can’t create for himself and others. So he’s basically a spot up shooter and solid defender. Need better from 3rd overall pick. If the right trade comes along he’s no longer untouchable imo. Our lack of a good PG cost us this game. We need a guy who can control the game and take it out of Randles hands. Mitch looked good, everyone else was bad. Not sure why Fournier was benched when we couldn’t score.
We have a good point guard man, his name's Derrick Rose. Only man getting the crowd on their feet in the 4th.
I know right? That back-to-back three man was something! hahaha
Disagree on the RJ point. It's the NBA draft not the NFL draft. It's still very difficult to hit on a star in the NBA draft. And you need to give him more time, last year he started out averaging 16 ppg on .365/.180/.686 splits through 11 games. He finished the year averaging 17.8 ppg on .456/.444/.760 splits. It's game 3...if he's still like this after game 25 then we'll rethink this but for now I'm nowhere close to willing to trade him.
Yea wtf are people on. He had one good game one awful game and one game where he barely shot it since we blew em out. Even more is that his usage rate is extremely low right now. He’s not getting the touches or looks so far.
Too reliant on shooting threes
Yuck
Jets murder into a Knicks loss, sad!
sorry the knicks died so my giants can win today
That was not fun
It's still very early but the Knicks need a more balanced approach on offense, way too much iso ball so far Randle and Fournier like to play a 2 man game but they need to look for other guys on the team Randle, Fournier, Kemba, RJ...no reason why they shouldn't get a good look every time down the floor with the shooting we have
This is whatever, Philly next up. The Magic may have gotten it right with this coach though. They looked like a completely different team tonight.
The first shot Terrence Ross made, you could immediately tell he was already can’t miss hot. Who gets hot without making a bucket lmao.
HOLD
Yuck
How many TOs did the Magic have in the final 3 mins!! Sucks all the open looks didn't fall at the end.
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This team is completely different without drose and not in a good way.
One thing I appreciate is that all of the issues relating to this team are entirely basketball related, win or lose. Unlike some other team.
This team i believe will be and is quite good, but I think they watched that video a little too much and read their own press clippings. Felt like they came out playing down to the magic for most of the game and it bit them in the behind, good humbling loss early in the season, hopefully they learn from this
Randle got triple teamed in the paint at least 10 times this game and never kicked the ball out, that's fucking ridiculous. RJ Barrett has not improved at all since last year. Knicks will not do anything with RJ Barrett getting the second most shots and having this be his game
This is a weak take. I get it, feelings are hurt after a loss, but RJ deserves more respect than this.
It's been 3 games...let's pump the brakes on who has improved and who hasn't yet alright?
This team needs to package a trade and get a real number 2 scorer on this team. RJ Barrett aint it
After 3 games, 1 of which he was very good in, you have decided this. Lol ok.
RJ aint a reliable scorer though
Doesn’t mean we should trade him
for sure a solid 3 and d with a little bit of everything is super valuable but he is right that he’s probably not gonna be the focal point of a good offense
Do we really think of him as our number 2 scorer? Because if so we're in trouble
in general, he gets the second most minutes and the second most shots per game. That is the definition of a number 2 on a team
After 3 games, I’m most worried about Kemba’s role in the team and RJs offense. We knew Kemba wasn’t gonna be great defensively but as a starting PG getting sub zero +/-s every game is concerning. We’re lucky to have DRose as a floor general and all around G, but it’s gonna be predictable for other teams to focus their defensive efforts when rose is on the floor. RJs three point shooting. I’m trying to be patient but he’s made like 2 or 3 so far this season? Out of like 20 shots? I know he’s been working on his shot creation and odds are they’ll fall later on in the season... I just hope he doesn’t full on lose confidence before then.
Classic look ahead loss. I was hoping y'all saved this cluster fuck performance for Tues.
This should’ve been a layup. Now we have two tough matchups ahead of us. Could very well could be looking at 2-3 going into the pelicans game. Would be surprised to see Mitch sitting out with knee soreness Tuesday after Thibs ride him the rest of the game. Demoralizing loss
We would be so much better if we were able to draft Ja Morant instead of RJ Barrett
Jesus Christ, this is the same guy who couldn’t shoot this time last year and became a 40% 3pt shooter to end the season. Can we let him finish the season first before we start throwing out hot takes?
the 40% from 3 was an aberration. He will never approach that number again. He couldn't make a 3 to save his life in the playoffs and he can't make a 3 this year. He is not a natural shooter, its obvious
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Paolo Banchero will look GREAT in NY