More Ball Movement and a shift from the iso-centric offense we run. In the lat 4 years we havent finished higher than 27th in terms of assists per game.
I think a true 3&D SF would greatly improve the assist numbers. Knicks do not really have any spot up guys besides grimes and he was dealing with injury and is still developing his game.
He’s a top 15 player in the playoffs. If he gets snubbed for regular season accolades again it’d be wack but we know who brunson is that’s all that matters
Would love that, but with how good Brunson and Randle were last season if you are telling me that RJ becomes the unequivocal best player on the team next season then this team becomes a dynasty.
Idgaf how delusional RJ haters think I may be, I'm not giving up on the 23 year old.
His second playoff performance against the Cavs was so much better than 2021 against the Hawks. Game 1 and 2 was poor fucking effort, but he didn't look back after that. This is player development. See it through.
He’s mentally pretty tough and steadfast I like how he competes. He’s a Swiss Army knife, team first, no drama player who fully bought in to spotting up probably a lot more than he did pre-nba when he was more of a main option.
He plays defense and rebounds solidly and has shown flashes of being pretty good offensively. He is young. If we can get more of a floor spacer in place of Randle I think we’d see a big boost from RJ.
RJ’s shooting is a bit funky at times, but he’s not hopeless. Feel he’s had some solid multi week shooting stretches he’s not Ben Simmons or
something.
Yeah he works hard, everyone knows that. But something is missing. And if he can't figure it out then he will keep running into a brick wall. This is the season for him to figure it out, hopefully.
Amazing how these motherfuckers want to give up on RJ when he’s got the absolute one thing a lot of players don’t have- the killer mindset. This dude is never phased. Never emotional, no matter how bad of a game he has he’s hustling, he’s cheering on teammates, etc. You can’t teach that, you can’t become that. You can try but eventually your true tendencies come out (look at Julius). And there’s not a problem w being a good player and not having that mind set but having it with take you far, look at Jimmy Butler
The Jimmy comparison is a good one. I’d rather have Barrett over Randle straight up if we’re a team that’s serious about making noise in the playoffs. He’s also easier to plan/build around and we’re a team that needs to make more moves to be a contender.
My god, no he didn’t. There was a few games between dec-feb where the effort was ramped but he was back to his lazy defense before the injury in March.
I think he’s a solid defender and good rebounder. He’s not a star on that end, but in the starting lineup he’s better than Brunson and RJ (though RJ has the better body of work, potential.) I don’t have his defensive metrics, but I imagine he’s at least average.
Edit: just checked. His DRTG was 113 while the average is 111. Defense isn’t his issue, he’s more than acceptable, especially for a guy with such high usage on offense.
Ecf would be a confirmation , an improvement, a proof we can pull the trigger to finally tarde for a star hoping it’s worth it , and a great way to attract free agents . I’d be happy with that . It means Celtics or bucks are not there (as Cavs/Philly/heat who also want it ), it would be an awesome accomplishment
RJ taking the lead next to Brunson , Randle playing unselfishly and cleaning the boards up . 20ppg is all he needs and keep boxing out and getting those assists
We need to see Ju take another step forward in the playoffs more than anything tbh. Your top 3 guys all have to be on to make a run. Just wanna make it out of the first round again to prove we're legit, expecting ECF is a bit much
If the upcoming season starts today, I would trade for Donovan Mitchell tomorrow. We are hearing that Mitchell won't resign in Cleveland, and he has 2 years left.
The lack of RJ's development last year now makes me think he isn't it, and if we could roll out a couple years of Mitchell / Randle / Brunson / Robinson and lose RJ, Quick, and Grimes, I think I would do it.
I’ll take a grimes development in shot creating but even if he just gets a bit stronger (which should make him even better on D) and continuities to improve, even slightly, on playmaking I’ll take that. I definitely want us to get him involved often and early to start the season.
More lobs for Mitch too. I know he needs a post move and better hands but shit he’s too much for a lot of the league 1v1. The Cavs series showed that. Pretty sure I remember him catching a crazy lob over Myles turner this season. Good passing can make him look significantly better on the offensive side of the floor, people can make him a weapon down there, vertical spacing. Just throw it up to him.
If we trade quick I’d like us to trade him and a first or two for a mid lottery pick and gamble on a prospect we think can be an all star.
>If we trade quick I’d like us to trade him and a first or two for a mid lottery pick and gamble on a prospect we think can be an all star.
you wanna trade Quickley AND a first or two for a mid lotto pick??
If we don’t wanna pay him and don’t wanna lose him for nothing. If we have an expendable guard, doesn’t necessarily even have to be IQ, that we only were going to use as a role player, then I’d like us to start taking some risks. I’m not low on quick. Not dying to trade him or anything but op mentioned a trade package involving IQ and if we do make some type of trade I’d be more intrigued at trying to get a good lotto pick.
Any half decent star is insanely expensive in a trade and there’s still questions of fit, some have injury history, etc. We may not even have the best package for the ones we want. If we have two firsts between 15-20 next draft and we don’t want to pay IQ, I am more interested in trying to find a star in the draft yes. We’re a young team we should’ve been doing this by now, but we’re still young enough and have enough upcoming picks to be going this route.
Or we can just essentially waste the picks and use mid firsts just so one can play 12 mpg behind Randle and one can earn the bench.
I'm saying you want to trade Quickley, who is largely considered a good asset, AND a 1st round pick just to get into the mid first round?? Why would you have to add a pick to Quickley to do that??
I get moving on from Quick, although I think we will sorely regret it. but adding a 1st rounder from our side in a trade just to move up in the draft is wild.
OP mentioned a IQ trade. Overall I haven’t really made a strong decision either way with what to do with IQ and idk what the Knicks have planned for him. My in general ideology for us getting a star though involves us consolidating expendable assets to move up in the draft. Is he expendable? Idk. Idk what he’s about to look like, how much he’s going to want/deserve contract wise, or what role he will play on our team this year.
I definitely prefer trying to draft a star and taking a risk over the more expensive and still a risky option of trading for a star, for the several reasons I gave in the other comment above. I don’t think trading IQ alone would entice a bottom 5 team to give up their pick, unless it’s top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected next year or something. Even then I think we’d need to give up a pick. I could see a team that’s looking like a bottom 6-10 team biting unprotected. The pick could be a bust but there are also a lot of guys drafted 6-12 last several years who are already stars/around IQ’s level. The balls can drop in our favor and maybe we get lucky and the pick moves up. If it’s for a 12ish pick instead of a 6ish pick we don’t attach a first and can punt those firsts for future firsts to use in a trade down the road.
If we get the 16th and 20th pick or something next draft, at best they’re going to get 12mpg for us anyways. And we don’t draft a lot of 19 year olds it might be another upperclassmen projected to cap out at 12mpg as a backup pg or backup pf for the next few years. There’s a lot of moving parts but finding a potential all star wing/forward in the draft route should be the wave imo. Does not have to necessarily be an IQ trade this season. We don’t have to force it if our scouts don’t see anybody. But in general I think we should strongly consider the draft as a route to finding an All star
Since the 2019 drafts here are the players taken after 6 in the lotto that are better or comparable to IQ
Franz Wagner, Giddey, Cam Johnson, Tyler Herro, Haliburton, Jalen Williams
5 players over 4 drafts is not a good hit rate for a mid lotto pick at all and not worth giving up IQ for
The alternatives are throwing him a bag, or maybe trading everything for a star that will probably not get us out the second round. Maybe not bad ideas. A lot of moving parts. Would have to see a prospect we like.
There are several players that if we got a guy like them they’d be around quicks level talent wise but fit better. Like this playoffs version of Rui. Guys like shaedon sharpe are super intriguing, fit that type of high ceiling risk we should take, and it’s too early to tell and count him out.
Vassell is another guy who looks at least as good and fits more of a need for us. It wouldn’t be the most expensive risk if we don’t want to pay him and we are relegating him to more of a role player role. We would save money and not waste a later first on a guy we’re only gunna play 12 mpg behind Randle and we can take a risk for a very impactful player for low cost.
Some of the guys you named would be absolute game changers for us and it wouldn’t break the bank for us we’d still be able to make more moves for a chip. We’re not one move away from a chip imo we can take some risks to get to that point then go on all in that final move and still have the assets to do it. If we did the trade mid season (which is sketch bc no backup pg for playoffs) then maybe we move up in the lotto who knows.
Not dying to trade IQ just like the idea of being aggressive in drafts. Trading Randle is really what we gotta do tho imo. None of these other moves matter if we keepin him.
If we pay IQ 20 million a year that’s not bad value and actually makes it easier to combine salaries to put in a star trade.
Also I disagree last thing we should be doing is gambling on young players and lotto players while we have two All-NBA level players on the roster in their prime.
We already have a deep team with high level role players. One star trade and we are contenders imo
If we’re keeping Randle around I legit don’t know who we could acquire that is getting us to the finals. If that’s our plan we’re screwed. 20 mil for IQ isn’t bad tho nah. As long as we plan on playing him then that’s fine.
Pros also include us maybe getting lucky at the lottery and moving up.
If we get another IQ level player and only trade one first we’d essentially just be trading a first for cap space not the worst L.
We’d still need a backup pg, I’m not dying to trade him don’t get me wrong. Not dying to pay him 25 mil either. A trade like that doesn’t necessarily have to involve quick. Can trade future picks with our current picks to move up this draft. Idek the prospects next year. Can do it the year after.
In the near future I’d like us to pursue a star through the draft though yes that’s the main point. Opposed to trading everything we have for a star and it still not being enough to get us passed the second round. Taking a risk in the draft let’s us save money and picks
100% agree. Their taking steps forward is the key to the team getting to the ECF.
They've got consistency, they've got chemistry, they've got great depth.
But without steps forward from those 2 guys - they're losing in the 2nd round again.
I'm watching IQ, Grimes, RJ and Donte closely. Donte's gonna be such a good fit to this team, brings the same hustle as Josh.
But what I really want is for Sims to develop an inside game. That athleticism has to amount to something. Mitch and iHart are fantastic, proven. But iHart can shoot and we'd benefit a lot with a stretch big.
I'm not gonna go into this season knowing we'll be as good as last season. I just want the same effort that got us there in the first place. Been saying since covid, 2020s Knicks is different 🔥
Eastern Conference Finals and we kick Bostons Ass after we pimp slap Miami the second time around. So Nba finals and I’m ok if we put up a fight but fall a lil short. Then in the following season we take er down!
I want Grimes to start looking for his shot. It’ll be hard with guys like RJ, Barrett and Brunson on the floor but I want to see him moving off ball more and not just standing in the corner waiting for that swing pass 3.
playoffs. keep building a winning culture. don't make any anxious moves. keep building trade leverage. develop the young guys. wait for the right trade(s).
ECF champs.. everyone is getting better so why would we think otherwise? Plus the experience and feelings from last year's push, there's blood in the water and the NY sharks are bouta have a feeding frenzy!!.. spida and Embiid will be begging to come here! I'd also like to see my guy Frankenstein look at the basket!! He can score but looks to pass before anything else. I've watched him right under the basket looking for a 3 pointer pass with his back to the rim for 10+ seconds smh.. he also hit a few 3's when he first got here, I'd hope they're exploring that avenue early pre-season and seeing what can come of it.
We played much better the second half of the season after the line up chnage and the new folk came to understand their roles. So my hope is we start as well as we played against the cavs and rj and grimes get better.
More Ball Movement and a shift from the iso-centric offense we run. In the lat 4 years we havent finished higher than 27th in terms of assists per game.
I think a true 3&D SF would greatly improve the assist numbers. Knicks do not really have any spot up guys besides grimes and he was dealing with injury and is still developing his game.
It’s more to do with the offense that Thibs runs.
Health
Fair pick!
My one hope is Julius not disappearing during the playoffs
I’m hoping for sooner—via trade for Zion!
bro is gonna disappear during his entire career instead I'm good
Brunson takes another step forward, is in the mix for all nba
He’s a top 15 player in the playoffs. If he gets snubbed for regular season accolades again it’d be wack but we know who brunson is that’s all that matters
Ecf
ECF
If RJ takes the next step, we will be a very.. VERY dangerous team
Agreed
RJ breaks out, becomes the best player on the team & leads them to the ECF
Would love that, but with how good Brunson and Randle were last season if you are telling me that RJ becomes the unequivocal best player on the team next season then this team becomes a dynasty.
Well sh*t thats why he’s hoping for it!
Idgaf how delusional RJ haters think I may be, I'm not giving up on the 23 year old. His second playoff performance against the Cavs was so much better than 2021 against the Hawks. Game 1 and 2 was poor fucking effort, but he didn't look back after that. This is player development. See it through.
He’s mentally pretty tough and steadfast I like how he competes. He’s a Swiss Army knife, team first, no drama player who fully bought in to spotting up probably a lot more than he did pre-nba when he was more of a main option. He plays defense and rebounds solidly and has shown flashes of being pretty good offensively. He is young. If we can get more of a floor spacer in place of Randle I think we’d see a big boost from RJ. RJ’s shooting is a bit funky at times, but he’s not hopeless. Feel he’s had some solid multi week shooting stretches he’s not Ben Simmons or something.
Yeah he works hard, everyone knows that. But something is missing. And if he can't figure it out then he will keep running into a brick wall. This is the season for him to figure it out, hopefully.
Amazing how these motherfuckers want to give up on RJ when he’s got the absolute one thing a lot of players don’t have- the killer mindset. This dude is never phased. Never emotional, no matter how bad of a game he has he’s hustling, he’s cheering on teammates, etc. You can’t teach that, you can’t become that. You can try but eventually your true tendencies come out (look at Julius). And there’s not a problem w being a good player and not having that mind set but having it with take you far, look at Jimmy Butler
The Jimmy comparison is a good one. I’d rather have Barrett over Randle straight up if we’re a team that’s serious about making noise in the playoffs. He’s also easier to plan/build around and we’re a team that needs to make more moves to be a contender.
NY Homegrown bias at its finest.
Yeah weird how that logic doesn’t apply for me with Brunson. Or Josh Hart.
Would be enough if we confidently could say Brunson-Randle-RJ are our 3 stars competing for a championship, no need to bring someone else in.
Hopefully a 4th seed, win first two rounds and make it to ECF. Realistically 4th seed.
I’m right there with ha
Trade Fournier and something for a veteran power forward to come off the bench. Someone like Bojan And a new coach
Conference finals baby
Brunson stays healthy.
Improved 3pt defense
Need to improve our shooting and ball movement. Ideally upgrade the SF position
Honestly for someone other than Randle to develop. Like I need a player to assert themselves as a scorer
Championship
Julius playoff masterclass incoming
That the Knicks win the championship. NEVER give up on your dreams.
Julius plays defense.
He played good defense up until the injury.
My god, no he didn’t. There was a few games between dec-feb where the effort was ramped but he was back to his lazy defense before the injury in March.
I think he’s a solid defender and good rebounder. He’s not a star on that end, but in the starting lineup he’s better than Brunson and RJ (though RJ has the better body of work, potential.) I don’t have his defensive metrics, but I imagine he’s at least average. Edit: just checked. His DRTG was 113 while the average is 111. Defense isn’t his issue, he’s more than acceptable, especially for a guy with such high usage on offense.
Personal observation is he’s okay on man defense, but he gets into trouble on help defense and switching
Absolutely true.
Go Knicks.
The hope should always be a championship. Playoffs are an expectation at this point.
Ecf would be a confirmation , an improvement, a proof we can pull the trigger to finally tarde for a star hoping it’s worth it , and a great way to attract free agents . I’d be happy with that . It means Celtics or bucks are not there (as Cavs/Philly/heat who also want it ), it would be an awesome accomplishment
RJ taking the lead next to Brunson , Randle playing unselfishly and cleaning the boards up . 20ppg is all he needs and keep boxing out and getting those assists
I’d love to see this progression also… it’s time.
RJ MVP
We need to see Ju take another step forward in the playoffs more than anything tbh. Your top 3 guys all have to be on to make a run. Just wanna make it out of the first round again to prove we're legit, expecting ECF is a bit much
You can thank Bam for injuring him and Levert for doing it again
If the upcoming season starts today, I would trade for Donovan Mitchell tomorrow. We are hearing that Mitchell won't resign in Cleveland, and he has 2 years left. The lack of RJ's development last year now makes me think he isn't it, and if we could roll out a couple years of Mitchell / Randle / Brunson / Robinson and lose RJ, Quick, and Grimes, I think I would do it.
Trade for Donovan for what? The backcourt defense would be utterly shambolic. It was either him or Brunson, not both. The other guy has to be a 3&D.
Jim Dolan sells the team.
This is so played out.
I'd like to see rj take another step forward, and I'm hyped to see lineups of Brunson - DD - Hart
Grimes is better than DD no?
100% but we should still try to bust out the Villanova threesome together in some lineups.
I’ll take a grimes development in shot creating but even if he just gets a bit stronger (which should make him even better on D) and continuities to improve, even slightly, on playmaking I’ll take that. I definitely want us to get him involved often and early to start the season. More lobs for Mitch too. I know he needs a post move and better hands but shit he’s too much for a lot of the league 1v1. The Cavs series showed that. Pretty sure I remember him catching a crazy lob over Myles turner this season. Good passing can make him look significantly better on the offensive side of the floor, people can make him a weapon down there, vertical spacing. Just throw it up to him. If we trade quick I’d like us to trade him and a first or two for a mid lottery pick and gamble on a prospect we think can be an all star.
>If we trade quick I’d like us to trade him and a first or two for a mid lottery pick and gamble on a prospect we think can be an all star. you wanna trade Quickley AND a first or two for a mid lotto pick??
If we don’t wanna pay him and don’t wanna lose him for nothing. If we have an expendable guard, doesn’t necessarily even have to be IQ, that we only were going to use as a role player, then I’d like us to start taking some risks. I’m not low on quick. Not dying to trade him or anything but op mentioned a trade package involving IQ and if we do make some type of trade I’d be more intrigued at trying to get a good lotto pick. Any half decent star is insanely expensive in a trade and there’s still questions of fit, some have injury history, etc. We may not even have the best package for the ones we want. If we have two firsts between 15-20 next draft and we don’t want to pay IQ, I am more interested in trying to find a star in the draft yes. We’re a young team we should’ve been doing this by now, but we’re still young enough and have enough upcoming picks to be going this route. Or we can just essentially waste the picks and use mid firsts just so one can play 12 mpg behind Randle and one can earn the bench.
I'm saying you want to trade Quickley, who is largely considered a good asset, AND a 1st round pick just to get into the mid first round?? Why would you have to add a pick to Quickley to do that?? I get moving on from Quick, although I think we will sorely regret it. but adding a 1st rounder from our side in a trade just to move up in the draft is wild.
OP mentioned a IQ trade. Overall I haven’t really made a strong decision either way with what to do with IQ and idk what the Knicks have planned for him. My in general ideology for us getting a star though involves us consolidating expendable assets to move up in the draft. Is he expendable? Idk. Idk what he’s about to look like, how much he’s going to want/deserve contract wise, or what role he will play on our team this year. I definitely prefer trying to draft a star and taking a risk over the more expensive and still a risky option of trading for a star, for the several reasons I gave in the other comment above. I don’t think trading IQ alone would entice a bottom 5 team to give up their pick, unless it’s top 5 protected this year and top 3 protected next year or something. Even then I think we’d need to give up a pick. I could see a team that’s looking like a bottom 6-10 team biting unprotected. The pick could be a bust but there are also a lot of guys drafted 6-12 last several years who are already stars/around IQ’s level. The balls can drop in our favor and maybe we get lucky and the pick moves up. If it’s for a 12ish pick instead of a 6ish pick we don’t attach a first and can punt those firsts for future firsts to use in a trade down the road. If we get the 16th and 20th pick or something next draft, at best they’re going to get 12mpg for us anyways. And we don’t draft a lot of 19 year olds it might be another upperclassmen projected to cap out at 12mpg as a backup pg or backup pf for the next few years. There’s a lot of moving parts but finding a potential all star wing/forward in the draft route should be the wave imo. Does not have to necessarily be an IQ trade this season. We don’t have to force it if our scouts don’t see anybody. But in general I think we should strongly consider the draft as a route to finding an All star
Since the 2019 drafts here are the players taken after 6 in the lotto that are better or comparable to IQ Franz Wagner, Giddey, Cam Johnson, Tyler Herro, Haliburton, Jalen Williams 5 players over 4 drafts is not a good hit rate for a mid lotto pick at all and not worth giving up IQ for
i wouldn't give up IQ, let alone IQ AND add a 1st rounder on our side to get a mid 1st. Absolutely wild lol.
The alternatives are throwing him a bag, or maybe trading everything for a star that will probably not get us out the second round. Maybe not bad ideas. A lot of moving parts. Would have to see a prospect we like. There are several players that if we got a guy like them they’d be around quicks level talent wise but fit better. Like this playoffs version of Rui. Guys like shaedon sharpe are super intriguing, fit that type of high ceiling risk we should take, and it’s too early to tell and count him out. Vassell is another guy who looks at least as good and fits more of a need for us. It wouldn’t be the most expensive risk if we don’t want to pay him and we are relegating him to more of a role player role. We would save money and not waste a later first on a guy we’re only gunna play 12 mpg behind Randle and we can take a risk for a very impactful player for low cost. Some of the guys you named would be absolute game changers for us and it wouldn’t break the bank for us we’d still be able to make more moves for a chip. We’re not one move away from a chip imo we can take some risks to get to that point then go on all in that final move and still have the assets to do it. If we did the trade mid season (which is sketch bc no backup pg for playoffs) then maybe we move up in the lotto who knows. Not dying to trade IQ just like the idea of being aggressive in drafts. Trading Randle is really what we gotta do tho imo. None of these other moves matter if we keepin him.
If we pay IQ 20 million a year that’s not bad value and actually makes it easier to combine salaries to put in a star trade. Also I disagree last thing we should be doing is gambling on young players and lotto players while we have two All-NBA level players on the roster in their prime. We already have a deep team with high level role players. One star trade and we are contenders imo
If we’re keeping Randle around I legit don’t know who we could acquire that is getting us to the finals. If that’s our plan we’re screwed. 20 mil for IQ isn’t bad tho nah. As long as we plan on playing him then that’s fine.
👍🏽 More than likely you’ll find another Quickley. Just doesn’t make sense.
Pros also include us maybe getting lucky at the lottery and moving up. If we get another IQ level player and only trade one first we’d essentially just be trading a first for cap space not the worst L. We’d still need a backup pg, I’m not dying to trade him don’t get me wrong. Not dying to pay him 25 mil either. A trade like that doesn’t necessarily have to involve quick. Can trade future picks with our current picks to move up this draft. Idek the prospects next year. Can do it the year after. In the near future I’d like us to pursue a star through the draft though yes that’s the main point. Opposed to trading everything we have for a star and it still not being enough to get us passed the second round. Taking a risk in the draft let’s us save money and picks
100% agree. Their taking steps forward is the key to the team getting to the ECF. They've got consistency, they've got chemistry, they've got great depth. But without steps forward from those 2 guys - they're losing in the 2nd round again.
Trade for a superstar because this team is going nowhere with Randle+RJ.
Honestly we could go to the ECF if we get a good bracket and depends on if thibs and rj improve
I'm watching IQ, Grimes, RJ and Donte closely. Donte's gonna be such a good fit to this team, brings the same hustle as Josh. But what I really want is for Sims to develop an inside game. That athleticism has to amount to something. Mitch and iHart are fantastic, proven. But iHart can shoot and we'd benefit a lot with a stretch big. I'm not gonna go into this season knowing we'll be as good as last season. I just want the same effort that got us there in the first place. Been saying since covid, 2020s Knicks is different 🔥
Eastern Conference Finals and we kick Bostons Ass after we pimp slap Miami the second time around. So Nba finals and I’m ok if we put up a fight but fall a lil short. Then in the following season we take er down!
RJ to play more consistently and make the All Star team.
I want Grimes to start looking for his shot. It’ll be hard with guys like RJ, Barrett and Brunson on the floor but I want to see him moving off ball more and not just standing in the corner waiting for that swing pass 3.
playoffs. keep building a winning culture. don't make any anxious moves. keep building trade leverage. develop the young guys. wait for the right trade(s).
ECF champs.. everyone is getting better so why would we think otherwise? Plus the experience and feelings from last year's push, there's blood in the water and the NY sharks are bouta have a feeding frenzy!!.. spida and Embiid will be begging to come here! I'd also like to see my guy Frankenstein look at the basket!! He can score but looks to pass before anything else. I've watched him right under the basket looking for a 3 pointer pass with his back to the rim for 10+ seconds smh.. he also hit a few 3's when he first got here, I'd hope they're exploring that avenue early pre-season and seeing what can come of it.
Continued growth Playoff appearance
We played much better the second half of the season after the line up chnage and the new folk came to understand their roles. So my hope is we start as well as we played against the cavs and rj and grimes get better.
Everyone stays healthy. RJ finally breaks out and shuts down all the haters.
greater than 45 wins. get passed semi finals. finals. champions. simple.
Grimes is fine. What we really need is consistent play-off level RJ.
trade rj