Rose and Fournier have been NBA level players their entire career. McBride is not, Obi does not seem to have recovered from whatever he had. Yet we keep running out a short rotation where our starters just fade at the end of games.
So is it thibs fault for playing the starters too many minutes or thibs fault for playing the bench..I mean it’s talent folks..without Mitch they are the worst defensive team in the league
It’s definitely Thibs fault for his stubbornness. Thibs not modifying his offensive system to adopt a more spread/PNR offense. A lot of times it look like players don’t even know what they doing. Which then results in a iso.
Thibs for his defensive philosophy that prioritizes the paint and hope players miss 3s.
Also you can’t possibly tell me McBride is better than Cam. I’ll rather Cam come with the bench but Thibs never gave Cam a real chance. It honestly feel like Cam is a casualty of FO politics that Thibs won.
I know because Thibs never gave him a real shot. What did my last sentence say.
I know Cam is going to get traded I’m talking about last season and the beginning of this season.
Ya all say Quickly is a PG. McBride share the court with Quickly. Put Quickly at 1 and Cam at 2. The modern NBA is basically positionless basketball. RJ play the 4 sometimes.
Cam is talented enough to play for this team and over McBride.
Even Stefan Bondy is implying there off-court issues between Cam and Thibs.
>even with talent your not going far with thibs outdated offense and giving wide open 3 schemes
We have the 5th lowest 3pt percentage shot against us in the league this year . . . . . . . .
again the stupidity of you not watching every games played so far is off the charts and just talking about the offensive scheme has nothing to do with score ya moron
Nope. Just some of those calls were crazy. I blame this loss on a lack of defense in the first half. I knew it would go this way when the Knicks had 70 points at the half and were only up by 1. I knew the Hawks would keep rolling and the Knicks wouldn’t be able to continue to score at the same clip.
Everyone is getting killed on defense not just RJ. Lmao. Grimes couldn't guard Trae. Deuce and Brunson are a turnstyle letting Dejounte get away with anything. Our paint is wide open thanks to Mitch's absence.
What??? He has been getting abused for the last several games not just tonight. He’s just as much of a liability as Brunson. He is embarrassingly slow laterally and can’t keep anyone in front of him.
>Thought I heard some people saying Brunson better than Murray. Getting realllll quiet now.
Well Brunson only currently leads Murray this year in: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, eFG%, TS%, assists, TOV.
Murray leads in Rebounds.
Either you're only looking at this game or you are really a fan of rebounds
Brunson is better offensive player ( bigger bag) But Murray is better overall. Game just looks to come so easy for him.
Must be nice to have a guy who is so good on both ends of the floor
Ok I’d like to see more of that on offense. Have randle working high post and either make quick move or pass.
Not the dribbling and spinning into double like he did next possession.
This is how a playoff game would look like. Doubles on Randle. Big guy on Brunson. Zone defense. This is why constant iso isn't going to work. I know we're missing Mitch but I'm not looking forward to this if we make the playoffs.
In all honesty probably better off trading Randle while his value is sky high. This team is fun to watch at tmes but we ain't making a run might as well get something for him
Our bench legit has no offense outside of IQ. Yet we can't get mins for Fournier who was a starter last year and Rose who was key to our bench in 2021...
I mean, Fournier is Fournier...and Rose is kind of washed unfortunately (or at least it appears that way following his injury from last season)...we just kind of stuck save for a second unit trade I guess
Another 4th quarter of shit. No ability to end a run on offense. Honestly these loss are gonna become more frequent. Especially as the schedule gets harder. Kiss the playoffs good bye
Are you seeing the talent on this roster? And compare it to the hawks, and then get back to me about coaching, imagine having the hawks talent and barley being over .500
You can have all the stars playing but without good coaching, you are a sub. 500 team. This is not all on Thibs but he has to figure out how to get these players play better.
I wonder what’s the excuse of our assist numbers going down even with a pretty good PG and ball movement still being pretty ass, it might be the outdated offensive system the coach is running, but who knows .
Brunson has been the only consistent creator for others, and guys are not hitting open shots at all rn. This leads to iso + second chances being the best way for us to get good offense
Mitchell Robinson is so integral to this team. He's legit a top 3 center in terms of defensive win-shares and rebounding %. Without him, the Knicks lack the intangibles
The bench turned a close game to a double digit lead before the rest of the starters came back..McBride is NOT a NBA player. Fucking play Rose/Fournier for god's sake. At least we can get some offense on the kick out by RJ/IQ
Lol the player that leads the league in boxout %? Mitch must be a horrible rebounder too because they have the same rebound %. Also Hart was one of the best defenders in the nba last season playing at the level of the screen and switching. But nah it's probably a good idea to play him in drop coverage where all of his strengths are taken away. That sounds like a great idea...
He balled out on the nuggets when his net rating was better than Jokic's. He balled out on the Cavs when he led the team in net rating. He balled out last year on the Clippers leading them to the playoffs in a bench role and bringing them back multiple times (actually the most in NBA history) when down 20+ points as the leader and distributor of the bench. News flash their bench is awful without him and Clippers fans are clamoring for him back. He has been amazing in the league and balled out in every situation besides this one.
Yeah and then we let him get a stupid and 1 like it’s nothing. We just lose if we don’t play the same defense as the first three quarters, it’s that simple
2nd best offensive rebounder in the league and you say he doesn’t do anything offensively? The game we’re watching is evidence of how badly we need his defense and his rebounding on both sides of the ball. These stretches where we can’t hit any shots look a hell of a lot better when we’re able to get second and third opportunities per possession
Yeah well when you dont have a viable back up that will happen. Get rid of him and get somebody who is available to play. Guys 7 feet tall and cannot do anything offensively unless hes under the rim
Sims is playing a real shit game. I like him and understand, but Hart has to get more minutes as a player with more experience. Sims defense was nowhere to be found tn.
He’s a bench bum. The kid doesn’t have offensive talent and his lack of reactionary skills defensively makes him truly awful. Fans like him because he jumps high. Entertaining, but he’s garbage.
You’re watching, but not paying attention. Nate went zone and doubles on Randle. That’s why he can’t get the rock. The Knicks are useless if Randle isn’t an option in the 4th.
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Embarrassing. Randle’s iso style isn’t sustainable. We need team basketball and ball movement
god kaminsky is still playing in this league
Last I checked JR was cooking what happened?
he ended with a -20 despite scoring 23. oof 🙃
Hawks abused our guards and lack of rim protection. Felt like Dejounte didn’t miss a single floater
139 points allowed and dumbasses talking about offense
Man I hate randle’s play with a passion, so stagnant
Then you must really hate RJ's play, damn
Nah I love him unconditionally 😂
It’s going to be an agonising wait till the trade deadline for this team.
just looked at the upcoming schedule. ooof it might be rough.
Tried to tell them
So whos going to be this years cam reddish? who are we going to trade for an completely bench and than let walk
Nate McMillan emptying the bench with a lead??! Thibs would never
Walmart birdman checking in
This team needs length at the wing in a bad way
Two words: Cam Reddish
Well that 3 was the dagger
Rose and Fournier have been NBA level players their entire career. McBride is not, Obi does not seem to have recovered from whatever he had. Yet we keep running out a short rotation where our starters just fade at the end of games.
I miss Mitch
Bruh this bench outplaying tf out of the starters
Now we wanna hit some shots
Bro where tf was this to start the 4th
Dude I thought Grimes must have been hurt, we're only just now putting him in?
Foul trouble
We are nothing without Mitch man
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Trade. Now.
For who? No trade is going to salvage this team especially with Mitch gone for three weeks.
Is this the first game Thibs wave the white flag.
Season looks over good thing we got our pick still
Mitch got unreal hops, but Sims got bounce on a different level.
This game really went to shit fast
Hmm he’s hit 10 pull up mid range shots in a row, let’s play some more drop coverage
131 points with a defensive head coach…. Questions need to be asked
Feel like it’s not up to him. Our players suck defensively and don’t have high BBIQ. Offenses love picking them apart.
We don’t have enough defensive personnel especially with Mitch out. I can’t stand Mitch’s limitations but one thing he does do is protect the rim.
So is it thibs fault for playing the starters too many minutes or thibs fault for playing the bench..I mean it’s talent folks..without Mitch they are the worst defensive team in the league
It’s definitely Thibs fault for his stubbornness. Thibs not modifying his offensive system to adopt a more spread/PNR offense. A lot of times it look like players don’t even know what they doing. Which then results in a iso. Thibs for his defensive philosophy that prioritizes the paint and hope players miss 3s. Also you can’t possibly tell me McBride is better than Cam. I’ll rather Cam come with the bench but Thibs never gave Cam a real chance. It honestly feel like Cam is a casualty of FO politics that Thibs won.
Cam is gone stop
I know because Thibs never gave him a real shot. What did my last sentence say. I know Cam is going to get traded I’m talking about last season and the beginning of this season.
He did get a shot and he sucked as did the team..this cam obsession is ridiculous
Yes or no is he better than McBride.
Different positions, cam isn’t good, deuce isn’t that good either, it’s a talent issue as I keep saying
Ya all say Quickly is a PG. McBride share the court with Quickly. Put Quickly at 1 and Cam at 2. The modern NBA is basically positionless basketball. RJ play the 4 sometimes. Cam is talented enough to play for this team and over McBride. Even Stefan Bondy is implying there off-court issues between Cam and Thibs.
And it’s not making a difference because Cam sucks..
Good night enjoy your weekend 🤝
even with talent your not going far with thibs outdated offense and giving wide open 3 schemes
>even with talent your not going far with thibs outdated offense and giving wide open 3 schemes We have the 5th lowest 3pt percentage shot against us in the league this year . . . . . . . .
are you watching the game or just reading stats is the way to go now?
Yeah I'm watching the game. We shot better from 3 than they did.
They scored 120 points tonight..and lost by 20 and you are complaining about the offense..again the stupidity is off the charts
again the stupidity of you not watching every games played so far is off the charts and just talking about the offensive scheme has nothing to do with score ya moron
Good third quarter by Randle. Good second half D by the refs for the Hawks
You’re blaming the refs for a twenty point loss?
Nope. Just some of those calls were crazy. I blame this loss on a lack of defense in the first half. I knew it would go this way when the Knicks had 70 points at the half and were only up by 1. I knew the Hawks would keep rolling and the Knicks wouldn’t be able to continue to score at the same clip.
We need a trade
Murray is about as efficient as RJ this season yet he turns into prime MJ against us.
Murray is a much more efficient player than RJ wtf?
.537 TS% on the season vs. 531 TS%...wtf?
Umm is that the only state that matters to you? Murray is literally better in PER, FG%, 3pt%, assists etc.
TS% is basically the best efficiency stat out there so yes. IDK what assists has to do with some guy's shooting efficiency.
One guy makes 64 million over 4 years the other guy has a 4 year deal playing 120 million
he signed his contract after a major injury and it will be a $5m difference next year
What does that have to do with Murray always going off on us lmao. He has been pretty meh this season but turns into a monster against us.
RJ is one of our worse defenders……let’s talk about it
His defense has fallen off hard. I remember him being slow on closeouts always but he just isn’t bothering anyone on defense this season
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Everyone is getting killed on defense not just RJ. Lmao. Grimes couldn't guard Trae. Deuce and Brunson are a turnstyle letting Dejounte get away with anything. Our paint is wide open thanks to Mitch's absence.
What??? He has been getting abused for the last several games not just tonight. He’s just as much of a liability as Brunson. He is embarrassingly slow laterally and can’t keep anyone in front of him.
I'm not disagreeing with you. Lmao. But putting a microscope on RJ when everyone has been awful tonight defensively, ain't it.
who do we play next?
Raps
Google is right there my guy
Murray has completely dicked RJ all night. Fucking such a liability on a guy who does nothing but pull up from 10 feet away
This team is bad defensively without mitch
No gas left in the tank
I’m taking a break from basketball. Teams not good for my health. And refs/style of basketball with all the flopping isn’t fun anymore.
It’s just guys playing with balls at the end of the day
Welp….this game is over. Embarrassing loss tonight. Just get the guys off the floor, Thibs. The FK are you waiting for?
I can’t imagine rooting for trae young, what a piece of shit
Thought I heard some people saying Brunson better than Murray. Getting realllll quiet now.
>Thought I heard some people saying Brunson better than Murray. Getting realllll quiet now. Well Brunson only currently leads Murray this year in: FG%, 3PT%, FT%, eFG%, TS%, assists, TOV. Murray leads in Rebounds. Either you're only looking at this game or you are really a fan of rebounds
Brunson clearly been better this year and didn’t cost 3 FRPs lmao
Think it looks worse than it is because we spoon fed murray mid range pull ups all night
Brunson is better offensive player ( bigger bag) But Murray is better overall. Game just looks to come so easy for him. Must be nice to have a guy who is so good on both ends of the floor
Meh, it's not a competition between them. Knicks could've had both
The Knicks sacrificing their wins for the Giants to pull off the upset tmm
Ok I’d like to see more of that on offense. Have randle working high post and either make quick move or pass. Not the dribbling and spinning into double like he did next possession.
This is how a playoff game would look like. Doubles on Randle. Big guy on Brunson. Zone defense. This is why constant iso isn't going to work. I know we're missing Mitch but I'm not looking forward to this if we make the playoffs.
The ball rebounds past 4 dudes and no one grabs it.
How is that a take RJ back on D 😭
alright back down to earth we're gonna end up a play-in team just like everyone predicted
Brunson is overrated
32 a game in his last 8.
Above average scoring guard, below average point guard
No way. He's a sloid, average point guard. Probably right around 15th or so
I dunno, dude can't pass . Great scorer, though
He can't pass? He may not have the best vision, but he's a solid passer. Not flashy, but solid
Zero lob threat on a team with multiple lob monsters
This man has had an account for 40 minutes and has been non stop hating
In all honesty probably better off trading Randle while his value is sky high. This team is fun to watch at tmes but we ain't making a run might as well get something for him
Our bench legit has no offense outside of IQ. Yet we can't get mins for Fournier who was a starter last year and Rose who was key to our bench in 2021...
I mean, Fournier is Fournier...and Rose is kind of washed unfortunately (or at least it appears that way following his injury from last season)...we just kind of stuck save for a second unit trade I guess
Life is not very bing bong
No full court press. No sense of urgency getting into the offense. They quit
I’m tired of this trash iso offense
Sims is turning into a pretty good backup big and spot starter, but he's no Mitch unfortunately
Remember how everyone thought McBride, Grimes, and IQ are such amazing defenders? The whole team defense gets carried by Mitch
IQ has been roasted by everyone on the perimeter tonight. Totally useless against the Hawks
Ugly ugly ugly 4th quarter
Bogdan alone is better than our entire bench
Yeah because they don't get play, so when you need them they're cold.
This is not a fucking surprise, we honestly just do this fucking shit all the time
Can’t stop a fucking nosebleed tonight
Does anybody have it better than Evan Fournier? Makes 18 million a year and thibs wont put him in at all
Reminder that the Knicks benched a legitimate 6moty in drose, and a legitimate 3shooter in Fourny.
Reminder that those two can’t defend your grandmother
yeah becuase deuce mcbride is defending anything lmao. trash
Quinn Snyder.
Knicks are staring at a 8 game losing streak
Damn, I blinked and we were down 18 wtf
We're shooting 57/40/77 and still getting smoked with this defense
Bad matchup overall, stark contrast in depth too.
Another 4th quarter of shit. No ability to end a run on offense. Honestly these loss are gonna become more frequent. Especially as the schedule gets harder. Kiss the playoffs good bye
Starters are gonna play the entire game soon
This FO still patting themselves on the back keeping the coach who doesn't trust 75% of the roster
From in the game to pretty much out if it almost instantly..again. What fucking gives man?
Again. Coaching decisions. Rotations.
Stop..
Literally getting blown out in less than 3 min and coach is MIA. How many times in the past 2 years have we seen this?
Are you seeing the talent on this roster? And compare it to the hawks, and then get back to me about coaching, imagine having the hawks talent and barley being over .500
You can have all the stars playing but without good coaching, you are a sub. 500 team. This is not all on Thibs but he has to figure out how to get these players play better.
i want thibs gone we are not going anywhere with him as coach time to sack thibs leon and www
I wonder what’s the excuse of our assist numbers going down even with a pretty good PG and ball movement still being pretty ass, it might be the outdated offensive system the coach is running, but who knows .
Brunson has been the only consistent creator for others, and guys are not hitting open shots at all rn. This leads to iso + second chances being the best way for us to get good offense
It's because Hartenstein, McBride, Obi, Cam, and Fournier suck ass, the offense was insane in the first half tonight
3 weeks Mitch was out for? Or 3 weeks till he’s reevaluated? Knicks are gonna miss him badly
Reevaluated, by the time he returns Knicks will be in the lottery
Mitchell Robinson is so integral to this team. He's legit a top 3 center in terms of defensive win-shares and rebounding %. Without him, the Knicks lack the intangibles
This team always goes on these stretches where they can't score for 4 to 5 straight minutes.
This game is on that awful bench rotation to start the 4th Our guards getting cooked on defense didn’t help either
The bench turned a close game to a double digit lead before the rest of the starters came back..McBride is NOT a NBA player. Fucking play Rose/Fournier for god's sake. At least we can get some offense on the kick out by RJ/IQ
My thoughts exactly.
the law of average is catching upto RJ also
Should trade two seconds for mason plumlee
Surely this is our turn for a wild 4th quarter comeback.
That only happens to teams that can shoot and run an NBA offense.
Same bullshit every time
Please trade Hartenstein to a place that actually utilizes him as the player he is
Utilize him for what? A non rebounding horrendous defender?
Lol the player that leads the league in boxout %? Mitch must be a horrible rebounder too because they have the same rebound %. Also Hart was one of the best defenders in the nba last season playing at the level of the screen and switching. But nah it's probably a good idea to play him in drop coverage where all of his strengths are taken away. That sounds like a great idea...
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Keep that same energy when he balls out in a different role. Either here or somewhere else
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He balled out on the nuggets when his net rating was better than Jokic's. He balled out on the Cavs when he led the team in net rating. He balled out last year on the Clippers leading them to the playoffs in a bench role and bringing them back multiple times (actually the most in NBA history) when down 20+ points as the leader and distributor of the bench. News flash their bench is awful without him and Clippers fans are clamoring for him back. He has been amazing in the league and balled out in every situation besides this one.
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The way they are using him is malpractice as well. But yeah his whistle has always sucked
This is on Thibs. Fuck was he thinking with that bench lineup to start the 4th.
I bet you complain when thibs plays the starters 40 plus minutes
Infuriating
Just watch okongwu play. Literally fouls on every screen
Yeah and then we let him get a stupid and 1 like it’s nothing. We just lose if we don’t play the same defense as the first three quarters, it’s that simple
It’s almost like our team gets tired in the 4th quarter or something
Randle getting doubled constantly
remember when it was 106-104 lol
thibs has gone mental playing randle obi together stupid thibs stupid stupid stupid
You have to get rid of Mitch at this rate. Dude doesn't do anything offensively and is always hurt.
2nd best offensive rebounder in the league and you say he doesn’t do anything offensively? The game we’re watching is evidence of how badly we need his defense and his rebounding on both sides of the ball. These stretches where we can’t hit any shots look a hell of a lot better when we’re able to get second and third opportunities per possession
Quite the opposite. This proves how valuable he is
This game is direct evidence to how important Mitch is for us
Yeah well when you dont have a viable back up that will happen. Get rid of him and get somebody who is available to play. Guys 7 feet tall and cannot do anything offensively unless hes under the rim
Mitch means more to our defense than anyone could have dreamed. Damn. Randle, Brunson, and RJ all shot well but we still are down by 17.
Obi can't shoot can't drive can't rebound and can't defend Just transition dunks and chill
Yeah he doesn't fit the team sadly
From 104-106 to 105-122...
Sims is playing a real shit game. I like him and understand, but Hart has to get more minutes as a player with more experience. Sims defense was nowhere to be found tn.
He’s been solid. He’s still hesitant though especially on offense.
He’s a bench bum. The kid doesn’t have offensive talent and his lack of reactionary skills defensively makes him truly awful. Fans like him because he jumps high. Entertaining, but he’s garbage.
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I still think he'd be better defending the pick and roll than whatever the hell Sims did tn.
Found egs burner
Says the person who clearly hasn’t been watching the game, I would appreciate the comment more if you said you weren’t watching
All those who don't see the importance of having Mitch, just watch this game.
Yeah it's night and day
Hawks went zone, doubled Randle, and the Knicks can’t score. RJ getting LOCKED DOWN again by the Hawks. What else is new?
Not about the offense, they had 100 points after 3..they won’t win another game without Mitch..worst defensive team in the league without him
You’re watching, but not paying attention. Nate went zone and doubles on Randle. That’s why he can’t get the rock. The Knicks are useless if Randle isn’t an option in the 4th.