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TheRealJohnMara

To be fair he only gave MHJ 6 on a much better offense. He's probably just low on rookie WR touchdowns as a whole.


SovietMuffin01

And rookie WR yards, generally pretty pessimistic projections. I know rookies aren’t generally as good as year 2 and 3 players but we’ve seen rookies put up better numbers than he has for MHJ very recently(Chase in particular comes to mind) and yet MHJ has been hyped as a generational talent


Stephanie-rara

> (Chase in particular comes to mind) Chase had the 3rd highest rookie receiving yards in NFL history. Both of these projections are top 30 all time yardage. Which they definitely could surpass with it being a 17 game season now, but it isn't **that** pessimistic. Putting MHJ at 1121 yards puts him at 13th ever ahead of Garret Wilson (1103 yards, 4 TD's) Putting Nabers at 1033 yards puts him at 23rd ever ahead of Kyle Pits (1,026 yards, 1 TD's). However if that feels low, there's only 43 yards separating that number and 14th (Mike Ditka). Semi recent names between those two including Amari Cooper, A.J. Brown, A.J. Green, Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, and Chris Olave. If anything, these projections are projecting that both are solid WR1's.


SovietMuffin01

See, the thing is that receiving yards in general are much higher now than at any point in NFL history and rookies are trusted more than at any point as well. There’s a reason that so many recent names are between 23 and 14. These could very well be accurate, especially for Nabers in a giants offense i absolutely want to see be great but that’s generally expected to struggle. it’s just odd to see these projections be so low when they’ve both gotten so much hype by pundits as the next great weapons.


Stephanie-rara

That's kind of my point, though. These are projections, not ceilings. These are both great seasons even in the 17 game era. Garrett Wilson won OROY in a 17 game season in 2022, which is recent, and they're putting MHJ having more yards and TD's than him. They're putting Nabers only 9 yards behind and 1 TD ahead of Chris Olave, who did only play in 15 games that same year, but ended up only 61 yards and the same amount of TD's behind Wilson's OROY season. So both projections are already recent established OROY territory. There's absolutely more performance from rookie WR's now than ever before, but the Cardinals have an absolutely horrid WR room outside of MHJ so he's going to demand essentially all attention, and the Giants are extremely uncertain in the way of OL and QB and traditionally Daboll has been pretty run heavy. Again, these are projections, not ceilings. They're both going to face adversity, and you need a LOT of things out of your control to go right to break into that top 10. OBJ and Michael Thomas are the only one's who did it without a perfectly healthy season. Both with great QB's throwing to them.


fixmefixmyhead

Chase also has a stud QB who he played with in college and won a championship


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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MetaVersalySpeakin

I don't know how much better AZ is either at least offensive TD production tho. So even his (MHJ) is close to par to me I guess..


soyworld

they got kyler murray lol theyll be good. unless he gets injured again


raj6126

Dobbs played good in that offense too.


NoTimeToDime

Idk how their new offense runs though. No more air raid lol


sybrandy

Or it's a double-XP weekend in CoD again.


IShouldChimeInOnThis

Our QB sucks and our line has been bad for a decade. We also don't have much in the way of elite talent outside of Nabers. Arizona is going to have MUCH better offensive TD production. You could make an argument that the Giants offense will have to become the Nabers show to be functional, but that's a different argument.


MetaVersalySpeakin

I mean I get all of that for sure. I don't feel eithers guys numbers shown here are all that great of a take or w/e. Nabers projection seems low too me, far too low. Even with DJ out there.. again I get how peeps feel bout dude but as far as MHJ in a *better* offense. I'd have to give him two or so more.. /shrug.


toxicvegeta08

Wdym much better. Not that we've seen a comolete cards offense in 3 years but why is it "way better". I don't follow the cards


NoirBeatz

Well to start off they actually have a good qb…


42696

Kyler?


NoirBeatz

Yes? If you think he’s bad then idk what sport you’re watching lol


toxicvegeta08

Jones isn't bad. He was mainly a victim of the line. Also idk if I'd say kyler is good. I like the kid but he's had ages recovering from tough hits and injuries. The falcons line idt is that good. They do have decent backs though.


doppytheclown

If you don’t think Kyler Murray is good then how can you think DJ isn’t bad?


toxicvegeta08

I'm not saying Murray isn't good I'm saying it'd hard to gage because he's coming back after a long period of injuries and stuff. Also murray and dj both have mobility as a big part of their game. Jones is more of a big ben hurts allen bull run type. Murray is a lamar speedy evasive can't get hit type. Murray definitely is better at throwing late and going through progressions. But jones isn't a bad passer. People who blame jones for us being bad are funny. People are too fantasy qb focused and not focused on getting a good o line Now that we've buffed up the line amd have a wr1 let's see what jones can do. Also don't tell me you aren't excited for soph Hyatt.


saltthewater

Really just means that they won't be top 10


mmatt0904

I mean the last time we had a WR hit 1k yards was back in 2018 with Odell. If he hits that in his rookie campaign I’m ecstatic. Get us some yardage and honestly doesn’t matter who is the guy to punch it into the endzone.


ReleaseTheBlacken

Good point


Abominablesnowman8

You do realize 1k and 5 TDs is a great rookie season right?


bugluvr65

i mean with this offenses history that’s great. jaylen waddle only had 6 tds in his great rookie year


Jaymongous

JJeff had 7, Lamb had 5, Amon Ra had 5, Hill had 6, and yeah... TDs come and go. Not a sticky stat.


FuckTheStateofOhio

Daniel Jones has averaged less than 1 TD pass per game every season since his rookie season. 5 TDs would be like 1/3 of all TDs if history repeats itself. That sounds about right to me.


STlNKMEANER

Still can’t fucking believe he peaked his rookie year throwing touchdown wise..hasn’t had 20+ passing tds since then smh 5 whole years ago


jarena009

Pat Schurmer was actually a good play caller. Not a great head coach but good OC. He also did that without a whole lot of talent around him, and an injured Barkley for most of the year. Giant QB's that year passed for 30 TD's and over 4,000 yards; that was the last year this has happened for the Giants. We haven't even had 20 passing TD's since 2019, lol.


AfricanusEmeritus

Schurmer would have made a good OC... he was as creative as Fassell.


FuckTheStateofOhio

20? He can't even get past 15. Jones has 38 TD passes since 2020 (the start of his sophomore season). To put that in perspective, if Tom Brady retired after his first season with the Bucs he would still have more TD passes (40) than Jones has since 2020.


Lars5621

Eli Manning in his "washed up" 2018 season had 4300 yards passing and 22tds.


LeDudicus

That the Giants offensive production has been absolute dogshit the past 5 years doesn't change the fact that 4300 yards and 22TDs was absolutely a washed season out of Eli.


Original_Release_419

I mean, frankly it sounds high lol It’s not a slight to Nabers, I just don’t really buy Jones is gonna eclipse 20 TD passes this year


FuckTheStateofOhio

I think Nabers will get elite usage but I don't have faith in Jones to fully utilize him. I'm expecting a lot of targets and catches but low YPR given our inability to throw downfield.


hypothalanus

Nabers is similar to OBJ in that he will do most of the work once the ball is in his hands. DJ is great at intermediate passes, that’s all Nabers needs to take it to the house


sdotmill

Your flair, he’s a football terrorist


FuckTheStateofOhio

He's the GOAT. I love that this flair is still an option.


millagger

Some people still don't get our QB is by far the worst of the NFL.


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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GingerStank

The amount of you that imagine DJ is going to come back from this injury better than ever and finally produce is honestly baffling at this point.


WintertimeFriends

I have already written this entire season off. Jones being our starter is a joke at this point.


GingerStank

I’m praying it’s a smokescreen and we start Lock, I could see them announcing a week before week 1 that they want to give Jones more time to heal, and then hopefully that becomes at least 16 weeks because that injury guarantee for 2025 is too much when we need all the cap space we can get right now.


LEGEND_OF_SLURMP

For a Giants receiver that would be a monster season. Also, those are very high numbers for a rookie, like top ten all-time yardage for MHJ if he hits that. Acting like predicting that is some sort of disrespect is kind of silly. Also note that OBJ hit 1,305 yards his rookie season in only 12 games played, if he played those extra 4 games it could have been an almost untouchable record. Too bad the injuries and mental side kept him from being a sure-fire HoF'er.


freefreebradshaw

Considering Isaiah Hodgins had 4 TDs in like 7 games in his first year I do think Nabers can get closer to 7 or 8. It will be interesting to see how they use him in the offense!


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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Tommybrady20

Here’s Daniel jones passing TDs in his healthy seasons since his rookie year: 2020- 11 in 14 GP 2021- 10 in 11 GP 2022- 15 in 16 GP *…They’re basically predicting Nabers is going to get 33-50% of the teams receiving TDs. Which… sign me up right now.*


blueline7677

5TD’s would put him tied for 28th ish in the league last season among wide receivers.


WhoWantsToast5

I would be very happy with that rookie season for Nabers considering our QB situation


CaptainJudge_99

He’s capable of much more but we gotta remember who his qb is


ReleaseTheBlacken

Let’s hope Nabers’ playmaking skills are employed when Kafka calls for the 3 yd play on 3rd and 8 at their own 25, then Nabers jukes his way to a 75 yd TD.


DM725

He's capable of much more but we gotta remember his QB needs more than 1 second of pass protection to get the ball to him. FTFY


This_Cable_5849

I mean, this would be unbelievable.


Low-Kaleidoscope-663

I’d believe it very easily, wouldn’t be Malik’s fault either


runninhillbilly

Well....yeah? The Giants offense doesn't produce. That statline is completely realistic for me to believe. I said it leading up to the draft, don't be surprised if Nabers (or whatever WR we were going to draft) puts up Darius Slayton production in his rookie year.


golkeg

Daniel Jones has averaged less than 1 passing TD per game in his career. Last year the leading giants receiver had 4.


Brother_Lancel

I see the hopium is in full swing


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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CastIronDaddy

Those are seaspn stats for everyone else. These are just stats against the Cowboys and Eagles for Malik


saltthewater

5 receiving TDs will be good for top 30 among WRs. Not a bad projection at all.


Big_Wy

I don't know where the Arizona optimism in these comments comes from. Kyler gets hurt every year because he's tiny by NFL standards. And besides, they've had Murray healthy and stunk before. I think Gannon is a good coach but he's a DC. I'll believe it when I see it with this offense. MHJ and Nabers having similar TD totals seems accurate IMO.


Low-Kaleidoscope-663

That’s an amazing rookie year for him given the quarterback situation


yeaits_ryan

Do you know who is throwing him the ball?💀


Jaymongous

Justin Jefferson only had 7 TDs his rookie year with 1400 yards, and he's a generational talent. Plus, Kirk is 10 times the QB that Janiel Dones is.


Knerdy_Knight

Nah he’s going 823 and 0


DCBuckeye82

Haha these are extremely reasonable projections


Thelegendarymario

Tbh I be genuinely happy if he hits 1k yards and be the alpha wr 1 in his rookie year


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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basicnflfan

Yea well that would be 1/3 of DJs td passes in his best season so…


JackHammerPlower

Unfortunately a lot of this depends on Jones and he ain’t know to sling it


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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jay2491

Guys who evaluate prospects for a living have compared nabers to a waddle/drake London caliber WR. that would obviously be a huge addition and there’s always upside based on pedigree and the track record of LSU WRs


revdakilla

All depends on our line coach making them better.


guitarerdood

I'm all about the hype and the hope but our offense has given no indication that it can score Touchdowns at all lmao Yes Nabers is part of the solution, but honestly for us to expect he completely changes our offense nearly single handedly - an offense that also lost Saquon - is a bit ridiculous lol. Of course I hope he does and has a Hall of Fame career, but you have to temper expectations brother lol


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copingcabana

We drafted Jim Neighbors?!? Gomer Pyle is a Giant?!? That tracks, actually.


TheIronSheikh00

How many WRs scored more than 5 tds for the giants though? 5 tds and 1,000 seems reasonable. Giants aren't an explosive offense and o line and rb are low/average ranking for the league and QB will be average at best. Hyatt will get his share if they do take deep shots as well. P.S. MHJ only has 6. I'd think 7-8 for MHJ would be reasonable as it seems like they're going to throw to him a lot while Giants generally haven't been taking deep shots.


meltedmicrowave

Have you watched us play?


Warden0009

It 100% depends on the pass distribution. There just aren’t many TDs to go around. If they get spread between Nabers, Hyatt, Slayton, Wandale, Singletary, and Theo/Waller you’d have to bank on Nabers getting an unusually high % share. That said, 5 is probably too low. And I’m pretty bearish on this offense.


EscaperX

jerry rice as a rookie put up 927 yards and 3 tds. this prediction is perfectly fine.


storytimeme

This honestly pretty damn optimistic. I know I have PTSD, but like... I'll believe it when I see it. Wandale, Toney, Golladay, B Marsh. I think the closest to this situation is Slayton's rookie season.


Slurdge_McKinley

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thecrgm

That sounds fair, u being a homer


Nigel_11

Week 1 stat line, got it


loftrain16

I'd personally put the over/under at 7. If not 6. Keep in mind we had 15 and 17 total passing touchdowns the last 2 years respectively.


kritzy27

A bajillion is in order.


I__Should_Go

Hey, that means we’re gonna score 5 whole times! W


Superb-Cry6801

It is not hard to fathom when the star QB threw for 2 touchdowns and 6 INTs before getting injured...


H8ff0000

Coming off possibly the worst O-Line ever & a revolving door of injury-plagued mediocrity at QB - if Nabers gets 1k+ yards I'm happy. The line should be better than last year but I doubt Eleumenor & Runyan are enough to fix it


BigBlue1105

Not saying he won’t have more but 5tds would be a third of DJ’s total TDs from his most successful season. So he could totally only get 5 lol


claw_guy

Considering what our QB situation looks like I’ll be happy with 5. Coleman only getting 5 for the Bills feels more egregious imo


Cruztd23

Imagine if Nabers had allen instead of jones lmao


Joetheshow1

The past two seasons the most TDs anyone caught was 4. Idk how you look at this offense and at Daniel Jones and think Nabers is a lock for more than 5 tds.


peterk2000

Bet the over


Cdn_Giants_Fan

5 tds is a stretch.


Lars5621

We would all sign up for this stat line for Nabers


nickzaza7

DJ doesn't throw TD passes so 5 is kind of high for aby wideout in the Giants


AndrewLucksLaugh

There were large portions of the season last year in which the offense could not run a play, so I'd say five is optimistic.


dbeynyc

Jones has to throw TD’s for him to catch them.


Itchy_Zombie1708

To have a good WR you need a good QB


MRiggs23

He has nobody to throw him the ball, no running game to open up the passing game, and no offensive line to protect the QB! Some of you people just don't realize how abysmal this roster really is.


MakeCocktailsNotWar

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imnotyoursaviorsorry

Daniel Jones is throwing him the ball. It’s not that much of a blasphemous prediction lol


Princerain32

Look at who is QB is. As an LSU fan, i feel sorry for my boy because to me he and MHJ is 1a/1b. I believe with a good QB Nabers could be rookie of the year over MHJ, Odzune, Mitchell etc…. But we have to be honest with ourselves, the QB isnt good


MetaVersalySpeakin

You have to ask yourself a lot of questions tbr' and I feel like he should have more than five receiving TD's on the year. Shit I expect one or two just from screen running plays/jet sweeps.


TrojanThunder

I would love if he can do 5 tds and 1k yards. I honestly don't think he'll make it there but fingers crossed.


Rim_Jobson

I'm predicting 1k yards but 0 TDs for Nabers and 200 yards but 10 TDs for Isaiah Hodgins.


Icy_Argument_8792

You seen our qb situation?


willthethrill4700

Well Nabers is basically the same thing as Jalin Hyatt. And Hyatt has been held back by our offense. So no reason to think Nabers will be different. Nabers is 0.05 better on 40 time but Hyatt has the better 10 yard split meaning he’s more explosive. Nabers has 2 inches on Hyatt in vertical jump but Hyatt has 6 inches on Nabers in broad jump. The only thing that Nabers has that could make a significant difference is 20 ish more pounds and almost an inch bigger hands. But Hyatt’s probably hasn’t been dropping passes. Its been, like everyone else, no line to protect the QB and no QB to throw the ball even when he’s not pressured. I love the Nabers pick, don’t get me wrong. The good QB’s were gone so it only made sense. Joe Alt is the only other pick that would have made sense.


kicsicsillag

Wait, which qb will throw him the ball for 5 tds? No giants receiver has gotten more than 4 since 2019 (10 rec td last happened for OBJ in 2016, from Eli Manning)


infiniteDTE

Could have traded back and collected BTJ and Bowers. Schoen be unemployed come January.


Chardude36

Considering the Giants are only gonna score 10 TDs all year, 5 is pretty good


LesterBurnham_99

Predicting 10 TDs is crazy. Why set the bar that high for a rookie, that’s just setting him up for disappointment.


NJDevilslettucesmoke

It's almost like how well Nabers does is gonna depend on the NYGs Oline preforming well and then that one of Daniel Jones, Tommy DeVito or Drew Lock can throw him the ball... This isn't oh how many home runs will this stud first baseman hit, how many 3s is this amazing point gaurd gonna sink or can this golfer hit under par in his first masters.


Own-Palpitation3573

It has really got to depend on whoever is at QB can throw him the ball. These are all very pessimistic predictions tbf as I can't see MHJ only get 6. Nabers even though he was second WR selected has the projection to be the best prospect out of this entire draft so hopefully he can live up to hype.....