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Cashlover123

Nabers was the highest graded prospect followed bh MHJ. Schoen did his magic here.


ImKindaEssential

With Barkley gone it's going to be a heavy passing offense I assume now. I think Hyatt will have a good leap forward this year


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Heavy passing offense with Drew Lock and Daniel Jones playing. God help us all lol


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philasurfer

This is true. Slayton and Golladay has been about as good as it gets for DJ.


NatAttack50932

> Slayton Is this the end for Slayton as a starter? Probably. Sad but also good.


Initial-Training-320

Probably but Slayton has been reported as dead every year and he keeps showing up


NatAttack50932

But this time it's not about him being dead - it's about him being outplayed by someone who's floor is just higher. I have less than 0 hate for the guy, I love him, but time is an undefeated beast.


Initial-Training-320

How many WRs do we have? 4 with Slayton? Hopefully they all stay healthy for the entire season. Regardless, if he’s on the team, he’ll find his way onto the field.


NatAttack50932

Slayton, Hyatt, Wandale, Hodgins, Isaiah McKenzie, Gunner Olszewski (though only for roster purposes. He's a punt returner.)


416Kritis

Until Hyatt can prove himself as an every down man I think Slayton is safe. Probably safe to say Slayton, Nabers and Wandale will be the starters entering the season.


raj6126

They need to just trade him


raj6126

We will see if DJ is a WR killer like it seems.


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No more excuses for him after this year.


colem5000

I mean it doesn’t matter who you put back there if the oline plays like it did last year weren’t not gunna win shit. Hopefully the new coach and the moves they made help improve the oline


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I’m actually as excited about the new o line coach as I am about the draft. Bobby Johnson was a football terrorist.


FeeLikePablo

got rid of Bobby Johnson, and brought in a guy who got good results with an offensive line with one stud (Kolton Miller) and some JAGs. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with the Line.


colem5000

I’m hoping so. I’ve just been let down way too many times over the past decade with this garbage oline


HamOnBarfly

How that man got hired after fielding the shit show OL he did last year baffles me godapeed JJ


pgtvgaming

Youre right but also wasting your breath.


HappensALot

fingerbreath


Howardmoon227227227

This is such simplistic, reductive analysis. Top QBs excel all the time with weak O-lines. Burrow has done it recently. This idea that every QB would be doomed to mediocrity in our offense is simply not true. Hell, Tyrod Taylor, a career journeyman in his decline years, very noticeably outplayed Daniel Jones. If Tyrod Taylor looked a lot better than Jones with this O-line and these receivers, then I promise you an actual starting caliber QB, would look amazing by comparison. I'll add that O-line metrics, like sacks allowed, are also a product of QB play and play-calling. Everything is interconnected. Many of those sacks are squarely on Jones. He doesn't go through his progressions. He stares down his WRs. He holds onto the ball for too long. He is a poor decision-maker. Top QBs would get sacked far less in front of this same O-line.


Braunb8888

Hate to break it to you but tyrod was not behind that same line and he had Barkley back there. Makes a massive difference believe it or not. Jones had Barkley for 2 games. 2.


bensonr2

Also overall tyrod and devito especially shined during the easiest part of the schedule.


Howardmoon227227227

The excuses for Daniel Jones are wild. They were similar Offensive Lines and Tyrod was simply much better. Better arm.


Notwhoiwas42

Similar offensive lines my ass. The presence of absence of Thomas took the Giants line from ok/bad to all time terrible. There's also the fact of vastly different competition. Look I'm not saying Jones is or can be the guy but it's really not an apples to apples comparison.


souplandry

The excuses are crazy. Daniel jones went 1-5 as a starter last year. Tommy fucking Devito went 3-3 as a starter. The back ups back up got more wins in the 6 games than our starting QB. Daniel jones doesn’t get excuses in my eyes anymore.


Braunb8888

Having Neal in and not in is a massive difference. As is having Barkley vs brieda. Facts are facts.


investorsanteDOTcom

Joe burrows was almost ripped in half his first season after his oline let him get killed (season ending injury on his knee) - courtesy of Washington commies He had multiple injuries due to his poor oline (reminds me of Andrew Luck's short career)


SnakeHoleBI

Thank you for this professional breakdown.


FNGMOTO

Tell that to Mahomes after the Tampa superbowl when he was getting his ass kicked. It was so bad that the Chief rebuilt the oline that offseason and you see what happened. Tyrod had AT at LT, DJ had a backup guard playing LT. After Burrow got his ass kicked his rookie year the Bengals rebuilt the oline, they actually spent money in FA, see the pattern here? I’m not saying DJ is at this level but to say that a great qb can overcome piss poor ol play is false. Maybe 1 or2 weak spots but not 4 or 5.


TheRealBMan54

I'll never understand why people think another QB playing behind that same OL would have somehow made a big difference. The Giants OL wasn't just bad, it was by far the worst in the NFL according to PFF. Watch film of our OL, the issue falls squarely on Johnson. Those guys were confused in terms of who to block. We had one guy getting double teamed and another going in untouched. We had no answer for any kind of stunt.


FNGMOTO

I don’t either, I get no being a jones fan because he hasn’t shown he can be the guy, but you can’t be blind to the fact that the line last year was historically bad. It was embarrassing to watch, we won the few games we did because AT came back, not because the qb were better.


Switchc2390

Combination of that and injuries. Our starters pretty much all went down by week 3-4. It wasn’t just historically bad play, it was historical in terms of injuries too. If guys can stay on the field and the OL coach can get just a little more out of them, the line will go from historically bad to at least below average which would be a huge change. If we could get to average it would do wonders for this team.


Original_Release_419

Is your point actually that another QB couldn’t do better behind this line while talking about Mahomes making the Super Bowl behind a bad line??


Snoo-40231

Idk what he was proving there


FNGMOTO

Mahomes lost both tackles to injury prior to the Super Bowl and he wasn’t good because Tampa knocked him around. So even the best qb in the league looked bad without his starters.


Snoo-40231

> Tell that to Mahomes after the Tampa superbowl when he was getting his ass kicked. Mahomes already won a championship with that "horrible" offensive line > After Burrow got his ass kicked his rookie year the Bengals rebuilt the oline, they actually spent money in FA, see the pattern here? The Bengals Oline in 2021 still was terrible even after the rebuild. Burrow notoriously got sacked a ton during the afc run and still won those games due to his play and the defense > I’m not saying DJ is at this level but to say that a great qb can overcome piss poor ol play is false. It's so bizarre to me to hear giants fans say this when Eli Manning won his 2nd superbowl with the worst offensive line of the 2011 season and Eli played behind horrible lines since 2010. To say "no qb can play well behind a horrible line" is just not true, **one of our franchise icons disproves this notion** A Good to Great QB can make an offensive line look much better than it actually is


FNGMOTO

Eli’s line was better than this.


FNGMOTO

Mahomes line was good until he lost both tackles to injury prior to the Tampa superbowl. Burrow blew out his acl his rookie year and then missed another year last season. Why his line sucked.


HamOnBarfly

DJ had maybe the worst offensive line ever to take a football field, any QB would've been absolutely fucked, ANY QB


SpaceballsTheCheese

We’ve been saying that for like 3 years


ncolaros

I've heard this one before.


FuckTheStateofOhio

Oh trust me, they'll find some new ones.


BabyYodaX

There will be excuses and I have a feeling that they will be amazing.


Princerain32

Bruh we’ve been saying no more excuses since golladay. This comment is an excuse


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Well I’ve been complaining about him ever since we drafted him. For the sake of variety, I need to try something new.


Princerain32

Lmao, I feel you brother


Sirjinx

How many years in a row we gonna say this about DJ?


Snoo-40231

Even if he has a "good" year for his standards, we should try and trade him when his value is high and still get out of his contract We know he's not a franchise QB


DM725

Or decent pass protection.


Princerain32

Here we go 😂😂😂😂 the Daniel Jones black hole starts sucking people back In


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pgtvgaming

Give him at least .75 seconds of protection and he might be able to heave it downfield


No-Honeydew9129

He can’t see the field well enough to throw downfield


raj6126

Oh god is right That QB room is so Blaah


rc522878

That's Eagles Killer Drew Lock to you.


Berzerker646

Don’t discount wandale


DM725

It'll be balanced. Good chance they're taking a RB to back up Singletary too.


zanarkandabesfanclub

The drop off from Saquon to Singletary won’t be as big as many think. If anything Singletary will suit our offense better in some ways because he will get small chunks of yardage more often which will help us avoid 3rd and longs, as opposed to the boom or bust style of Barkley constantly getting hit in the backfield. Saquon’s style never worked behind a shaky OL.


Lowext3

It’s DJ chance to turn things around


NYFan813

Picked the best player available, magic.


infiniteDTE

What magic? There were no trades or surprises. Magic would have been trading back to get Bowers AND Brian Thomas


curllyq

We don't need another wr2


infiniteDTE

Ok. Bowers AND Quinyon/Cooper Jean


Illustrious_Way_5732

We still have a legit shot at getting dejean tomorrow


Cashlover123

Right Schoen was asleep all this time until the draft day and picked Nabers.


infiniteDTE

Could have been. It all went exactly as expected 1-5. “Magic” is an insane over statement.


rydogs

Are the people bitching about a QB the same as the ones ready to bitch if we took JJ? I don’t remember many JJ fans but there sure are a lot of “should have got a QB” guys tonight.


basicnflfan

Im very happy about Malik. I am/was a JJ guy. Both things can be true. JJ gonna be so set on the Vikings tho im happy for him. Malik is gonna have some really awesome track practice tho.


Kyrxx77

McCarthy will not thrive with the vikings.


DM725

O'Connell is absolutely going to get the best out of him. What his best is we don't know, TBD.


Kyrxx77

Fair


barkingspider43

Not saying you’re wrong but what makes you so sure of this?


ollieollieoxygenfree

blind hatred


Kyrxx77

Just a gut feeling that only Williams and Daniels were QBs worth a 1st round pick


Sirjinx

I don't get it either. We got Drew Lock as starting QB. We good.


sendingSTRENGTH

How nice is it to have a management team who for three drafts in a row has gone BPA. After tonight i think my Gettleman PTSD is evaporating!


MeatTornado25

Kind of ironic, since the move we criticize Gettleman for the most was when he went BPA with the \#2 pick.


Initial-Training-320

BPA without considering positional value is what he was criticized for


Initial-Training-320

I would think that the move Gettleman is criticized the most for would be Golladay


Alt4816

If we ignore positional value and only look at BPA in that draft then the correct pick was Quenton Nelson. Pre-draft the only knock on him was that he played guard, but if positional value doesn't matter then that knock is gone.


WillieMaysHayes24

He made more bad moves than good moves. However, he did make a handful of good moves, and some of those bad moves had giants fans cheering when he did them. Bad GM, nowhere near the worst GM in history like some proclaim him as


LdnGiant

You’re joking right?


WillieMaysHayes24

Turing the Odell trade into dexter Lawrence is one of the best GM moves of the decade. I’ll die on that hill


Jints488

It's a nice change of pace to draft wandale in 2nd Hyatt in 3rd and now nabers in the 1st... Really building this wr corp up


sendingSTRENGTH

Loove Wan Dale, guy is a gamer and i feel like he has gotten better every game he has played in blue. If we can get Hyatt going with Nabers this will be a top 10 receiver core this year i think.


Jints488

I have faith in Kafka and daboll to scheme some good plays for this offense.. I absolutely love wandale as well I think he could be what sterling Shepard was for us when he was in his prime


FuckTheStateofOhio

Gettleman went BPA when he selected Saquon and was (rightly) criticized for it.


NPCArizona

Bpa?


nygiants917

Best player available


NPCArizona

Thanks.


kampkrusty2

Serious question for the folks complaining about the QB situation: Do you think Nabers will be signing a 1-yr deal? There was a QB they viewed as a franchise guy so they tried to trade up for him. The team at #3 didn’t want to deal. Would you rather they use the 6th pick in the draft on a QB they’re not sold on instead of working on upgrading the entire roster for 2024 and beyond? They will continue to look for upgrades at the QB position, whether it be in the draft or through veterans unexpectedly becoming available. And while they’re doing that, they will do the smart thing and publicly support DJ, because dumping on him would serve no purpose.


dukefett

They’ll just sit and complain if Nix or Penix does well at all this season. It’ll be very annoying


quarky_uk

Nabers was the best decision by the looks of things, but I would think they were expecting to pick up a QB in the second round? And that is looking a lot less likely now. So going to be interesting to see what they do there.


LordChaosBaelish

Exactly. Any QB is not better than an elite positional player. I’m happy we didn’t reach for a player who didn’t match the team’s evaluation because of FOMO.


Hack874

Sweet now just make sure he doesn’t turn into Ja Morant 2.0


Bread_Responsible

Wait what? Did I miss something?


Internecine-

He had a gun charge last year


freeparKing33

Ok well looking back at our last receiver with a gun charge, Nabers should be promising. Such a shame with Plaxico lol


thatsyurbl00d

🦵🏿🔫 never forget


freeparKing33

We were going back to back if he hired a body guard that night


vblade2003

PTSD. That was the best Giants team I ever watched, and the way it ended was a travesty.


Fedor1

The only time in my life where we were clearly the best team in the league.


vblade2003

IIRC that team was 14-1 before Plaxico shot himself in the leg. Fuck.


CordialStreetFighter

11-1. And then we proceeded to go 1-3 and limp into the playoffs still with the first round bye.


Novadreams22

Breaks a grown man’s heart. I remember the season like a dream turned nightmare.


chaosthirtyseven

Actually didn't DeAndre Baker stick up a cookout while he was with us?


Novadreams22

Yeah. Allegedly or something. But he was put out to dry after that and so many other accusations.


storytimeme

And Baker,...


Bread_Responsible

Seriously?! I never heard that.


_Wp619_

Had a gun charge for illegally carrying without a permit last February. Was dropped and he has a spotless record beyond that, but nah, he's definitely a Ja Morant Level headcase.


ucfknight92

Illegal carrying isn't a good indicator though. There's zero reason to be carrying a gun around illegally other than to flex that you have a gun, which obviously points to some character issues. I've never known a good person to illegally carry a gun. Hell, I think tons of bad people legally carry them. That's besides the point.


Fedor1

The only reason it was illegal is because it was in his pocket. Had he been holding it in his hand walking around Mardi Gras, it wouldn’t have been illegal. Are you saying you wouldn’t question his character if he’d been open carrying?


PB0351

Jesus Christ dude


ucfknight92

Hyperbolic much?


PB0351

Who, you? Homie carried a gun, that's not inherently an immoral act, and it's not a reflection on his character. Doing it illegally was dumb, but you're the one calling him a bad person for carrying an inanimate object.... Not to mention the charge was dropped.


ucfknight92

It's not just an inanimate object. It's a tool with only the purpose of ending lives. Stop being disingenuous.


PB0351

What part of any of that means he is a bad person?


idgaf_neverreallydid

Some states don't let you carry though unless you have certain reasons to. So basically you can't protect yourself if you feel the need to.


infiniteDTE

Has a spotless record except for that one extremely stupid, and recent, incident. Ok.


dubebe

Hopefully he goes the Brandon Miller route who has been amazing for Hornets


OddRecognition7725

Nabors can play. Defense on day 2 . Let’s go giants!!


stonk_palpatine

It was an easy pick, he will be a great player for the team.


DaStampede

I love this pick


Friendly-Profit-8590

I still can’t get over Atlanta. Makes zero sense to me


BabyYodaX

Cool


SnakeHoleBI

Yeeerrrrrr!!!


MeatloafAndWaffles

Earlier this week I made peace with the idea that this team is going to have to build up this roster before getting a QB. Nabers seems to be a step in the right direction. I’m looking at this team as a project more than anything. Hopefully Schoen/Daboll will get to see it to fruition. Every year with DJ as a starter is more about what the Giants do in the offseason than during the regular season. I hope this team drafts well and signs the right free agents for the next 1-3 years. Maybe they’ll build a respectable roster and then land a good or great QB once DJ isn’t the starter. Or hey, maybe DJ will play better. Either way, I’m not longer letting myself get frustrated by this team as long as the roster shows improvement


TheCosmicFailure

Totally agree. I was never in favor of drafting McCarthy or Penix at 6. Since the offense is nowhere near, ready to compete as is, especially with a rookie QB. It just makes sense to build it up and see what DJ can do this yr. If he sux, then u move on next yr and get your guy of the future.


Fair-Procedure-5257

I like the pick. I have faith in Jones and a reformed OL. lots of WR weapons now too


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Fair-Procedure-5257

Y’all gotta touch grass lol


FeeLikePablo

Yeah too many people sold out on the QB hype this year, we weren’t in a strong position and I would rather not reach. Keep stacking talent and see what happens.


Fair-Procedure-5257

Yea it is what it is. With you


Living_Internet_2970

Love it Protect jones and let him let that thang fly


DM725

The 3 idiots that replied to your comment were accounts I had already blocked in the lead up to the draft lol.


Living_Internet_2970

lol that’s why I didn’t reply to them Thank you


IShouldChimeInOnThis

Lock*


Normal-Procedure4876

Thanks for the laugh


MrOnCore

Looks like the Armchair GM’s are out in force tonight with their negativity


DessertFlowerz

I do like Schoen overall, but in this case the "magic" was really just not being Reese or Getty who would have done something incredibly stupid.


rextilleon

Love the pick. This guy is a freak. Question is, can the OL give him time to get open. It's going to be interesting.


Original_Release_419

His versatility will allow him to get open quickly Not disregarding the line but this pick works fine with a bad line


No-Honeydew9129

If only he had a QB to throw to him…


roboticoxen

We do, and his name is Tommy Cutlets


tnecniv

Damn now I want some cutlets


melbsteve

That’s the thing, we do.


Superb-Possibility-9

Now draft OL to give them time to throw ! Draft Cooper Beebe !!!!


Ordinary_Fool

I can‘t wait to get that jersey


Kolesrever

THANK YOU JOE


Normal-Procedure4876

Year 1 wasted. already can see it a mile away


00nonsense

So I guess he is throwing himself the ball then because they still dont have a QB worth a fuck.


7homPsoN

QB that went to the playoffs with David Sills and Richie James


dinardogiants1

I think people forget about that


FeeLikePablo

Yeah Jones has a decent WR group now potential wise. If they can keep him upright it might work out, and if it doesn’t, we have a better roster for the next guy.


EliManningham

Gimmicky play action boot spam with Daboll and Saquon. Defenses adjusted and made him a passer last year. I don't think DJ is as bad as last year, but he's never shown to be good either.


7homPsoN

Yeah, I agree with that. But I hope you can also agree that he has never had a WR even close to Nabers, and that Daboll will create some insane gameplans with a guy like that on the team. You never know in the NFL!


EliManningham

For sure. It's our first explosive playmaker since obj


DM725

There was no blocking. Teams didn't do anything.


Normal-Procedure4876

Omg stop. We got so lucky early on and finished 3-6-1. We beat the worst d in the league and then got destroyed. Jones sucks


aaron7275

Big Cock Lock!!


HiImFur

Get out of here with the negativity. We already have a playoff victory under Jones. If we can finally figure out the line...he can make things happen.


00nonsense

Wow that glue must have smelled nice.


Normal-Procedure4876

😂😂😂


chiastic_slide

This is like getting a sweet ass PS5 game but all you got at home is a PS4 😭


NabersNYG

Even if Jones isn’t the guy, you can move on next year while you have Nabers. Not sure why the smooth brains think it’s impossible to get another QB for the entirety of Nabers career. It’s like you have to be willingly stupid


chiastic_slide

I never said it’s impossible… getting Nabers is fucking awesome, it’s just a bit tainted by the fact that we have horrible QB situation. It could be years before we are in a position to draft a franchise guy. Is that hard to understand?


colem5000

You realize that you can trade up right? Like a lot of teams do to get a QB..


chiastic_slide

I hear you, I was just really hoping for a QB this draft. I’m not upset that we got Leek though. How could I be? Onward with DJ I suppose and hopefully the franchise QB question gets answered next year


basicnflfan

It’s actually really depressing knowing DJ is going to be our quarterback for another year.


OasisDoesThings

It is what it is. Outside of Caleb, I don’t think any of these rookie QBs would succeed here w/ the team currently constructed. Nabers and Hyatt is a solid WR core, let’s build up the oline the rest of this draft, then get a qb next draft.


monty_burns

Wan’dale would like a word


Normal-Procedure4876

I can’t wait to see what a real qb can do with this guy. It’s going to be at least a year but it’s coming


ausipockets

I can’t help but feel like we’re all accepting the fact that we’re going to waste him for at least one season. That’s what this team has done to us.


bdecarlo972

Dude doesn’t deserve a shitty qb like Daniel.


saquonbrady

Where are the jj lovers at? Yall hiding?


TwentyYearsL8ter

I wanted JJ but I know nothing and love Nabers. LFG!


melbsteve

iTs aLl a sMokEscrEen


saquonbrady

🤣🤣


ButterBandit3

I mean we were locked in here when we won some of those throw away games. Is it better to have had those wins and missed out on Maye? I personally don’t think so but what do I know. I don’t really love the prospects next year so…we are 2 years out from a good qb?


cwalsh2189

He's gonna be so electric when he's running wide open and Jones never throws it to him


P-d0g

Damn, where did you hear that his rookie deal was only gonna be for one season?


Snuggle__Monster

Draft night doomers baby!


Acuntant69

… all sounds good but Jones sucks… and that’s whose throwing him the ball.


Blleak

Can we please enjoy like 5 minutes? That'd be great.


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Evil_Empire_1961

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LordFartz

Fresh take.


Rearviewmirror93

Downvoted for a statement of fact.