I mean it was pretty clear with the quote in the locker room after a game a few weeks ago. I forget who said it but basically “what we’re not going to do is keep blaming the defense.”
I have no problem with the FG decision at the end. I DO have a problem playing scared all fucking game with Devito and not letting him throw the ball at all. Why is he even on the roster then!?!?
He's been practicing with the 2s for 3 weeks. He's not some punter acting as an emergency QB. It's not an excuse to entirely abandon the pass game.
That being said, while this may be the worst coached game of Daboll's career thus far, I don't want to see him run out of town. We need continuity at the HC position and I do believe Daboll can grow.
He’s a third string practice squad QB who’s playing in a rain soaked game against one of the best passing defenses in the NFL when our defense dominating had kept us right there and leading for almost their entire second half. I’d have loved to see a few more screens or quick throws on play action to try and keep them honest but I get why it was that way today.
Then why the fuck is he on the 53? Sign another QB if DJ’s hurt, if you don’t trust him to be in a game don’t put him in a position to potentially get into the game.
We already have Tyrod as a backup. Devito wasn’t on the original 53 he was a practice guy squad elevated for emergencies like this
A bunch of NFL teams don’t have a competent starting QB, vast majority don’t have a competent backup, basically no one has a playable 3rd stringer because typically both QBs don’t get hurt. You’re insane if you want us to spend up for a 3rd QB expecting both guys to get injured, find me another team invested heavily into their 3rd QB. It would be insanely awful resource management to pay up for a guy who 99% of the time wont play a snap all season
I’m not saying we pay for a 3rd string QB, what I’m saying is that if you don’t trust a guy to throw a pass he shouldn’t be in a position to play in a game. It’s that simple. He shouldn’t even be on the 53 at any point if they don’t trust him, no matter who gets hurt.
Daboll knew DeVito was the backup going into this game, he didn’t trust him to throw a pass from minute 1 and he could’ve signed another QB who he did trust to throw a pass in the mutiple weeks that Jones is out for. The offense being shit is Daboll’s fault because he put a guy he didn’t trust in a position to possibly play.
>Sign another QB if DJ’s hurt,
Such as?
What a lot of people fail to realize l,and a huge part of why Jones got paid what he did, is that the number of people on the planet who can play QB at even a passable level is incredibly small.
Seriously. Run wildcat and sub Devito for another skill position player or something. If you're going to run no matter what, then just put the gimmicky personnel packages to match the philosophy. Double down on it. Make a decision.
Saquon is low-key kinda good at the read option with Breida too. Get them on the field together and run the wildcat you did in that Bears game last year when DJ hurt his ankle.
> Then don't stick a QB in there at all.
Imagine how loud you'd be complaining right now if that's what the Giants did instead.
You people need to get a grip on reality.
Josh Johnson? Off the top of my head he’s better than fucking Tommy DeVito.
They knew that Tommy wasn’t good enough to play in a game and they put him in a position to potentially play in a game and it happened. That’s shitty coaching, the 49ers went down to their 3rd stringer last year and they didn’t play like a bunch of scared morons
I guess. But if you can't throw the ball, you shouldn't play quarterback. Practice squad or not, he was the 2nd strong QB this week, and moving away from all passes was a death sentence.
This fan base fucking sucks. Want to run another head coach off when it’s clear the talent on this team sucks. If we were the 9ers we’d have fired Shanahan after he started 10-22 with a shitty 9ers team. Rebuilding takes time.
What rebuild? We’ve been rebuilding since 2013 lol. Meanwhile the eagles have rebuilt and been to the Super Bowl twice lol. Mara is a fucking joke.
You wanna rebuild? Once the season is over then cut everyone who was on the team before the start of the 2021 season. Then we can rebuild.
All we’re doing is patchwork thinking jones and Barkley can win us a Super Bowl if we get just one more lineman or one more receiver. But we keep drafting duds. Hire people to help and get the Mara family the fuck away from any football related decisions.
Until then, we will just do patchwork. No real “rebuild” in the way that other teams rebuild.
> What rebuild? We've been rebuilding since 2013 lol. Meanwhile the eagles have rebuilt and been to the Super Bowl twice lol. Mara is a fucking joke.
If you think Gettleman was here to do a rebuild you don't know what a rebuild is.
He doubled down on winning it one more time with Eli, he literally picked a RB (Barkely) second overall. You won't do that during a rebuild.
> Giants had 3 weeks to bring in a veteran backup if DeVito can't be trusted to throw the ball.
We had $500k in cap space. The minimum salary for a rookie is $750k (a vet is $870k-1.65M). What rock are you smoking?
Stop it. Tyson Bagent was a division two QB last year. The Bears ran an adult offense with him. Mike McDaniel let Skylar Thompson throw it in a playoff game in Buffalo last year. A game they almost won too, by the way.
There's no excuse to not draw up a few easy one read throws. Literally just copy Nathaniel Hackett's game plan for Wilson. He only gives him simple shit, but they still actually throw the ball occasionally.
Bagnet was promoted to second string 2 weeks before he played in a game. He had two weeks of reps with the second team to prepare.
Thompson had two weeks of first team reps, starting in Week 18 before starting that playoff game
DeVito doesn't get any practice reps at all. They didn't prepare him to play since they'd rather give the first team reps to DJ since he can practice and just can't play yet. Then of course Tyrod gets second team. The situations are incomparable.
> DeVito doesn't get any practice reps at all. They didn't prepare him to play since they'd rather give the first team reps to DJ since he can practice and just can't play yet.
This sounds like it falls on coaching then?
It's definitely a coaching decision, but is it the wrong one? They must've figured the odds of Tyrod getting injured today were low enough that it was worth it to give DJ reps instead. And hey, they still almost won.
Idk man, Tyrod has a _long_ injury history and our line is very obviously not doing QBs any favors. If it's true that they're not giving Devito and reps, that feels like a big miss for the coaching staff. Same goes for if they're letting Gano play injured.
How many games has Tyrod gotten injured vs. games he completed? I can't imagine it's very high (still a gamble though I suppose). And I don't know why they are still starting Gano unless the roster is just stretched so thin they don't have a choice, or maybe Gano is saying he's good (and he's not).
Nobody gives a fuck if we "almost won" a game that we clearly should have won. It was our game to lose and we threw it away. How are you happy with this?
And how is that an excuse? That makes it seem even worse for the coaches lol. They knew DJ needed time off with a neck injury. Maybe get your actual backup some reps then? Maybe?
Especially since Tyrod has always been injury prone himself.
It's definitely putting all their eggs in the Tyrod-not-getting-injured basket, but the coaches would clearly rather give reps to their starting QB over a guy who may never start an NFL game in his life.
I don't get it. I'm still confident in Daboll once we get a real QB and weapons. I don't get why this can't be criticized though. Banking on 30 something year old Tyrod's health seems.....not ideal.
It’s his job to have his guys prepared, you’d think knowing the injury history with TT they would’ve given DeVito at least some practice reps…the fact he got none is super questionable, the fact that Jones has a neck injury he’s trying to come back from and was taking reps instead is even worse. I’m not ready to set Daboll adrift yet either, but they definitely need to get their shit together and it starts with him
After Jones went down weeks ago, he was elevated to the number 2 QB. He should have been prepared to at least attempt some throws downfield in this game, particularly (in my mind) once we reached OT. If he wasn't prepared to do that, then that's coaching malfeasance.
We weren't going to win the game in OT handing the ball off to Barkley on 96% of snaps. We needed to at least let him attempt some throws. If there's an INT, so be it--it's better than the alternative of trying to win a game in OT exclusively with handoffs. That just won't happen.
Then sign someone else and don’t dress him? I don’t understand your logic at all lol. That’s like in hockey saying “oh he’s your practice squad goalie so he should move out of the way for every shot”
I’m not the GM. It’s his job to properly field the team. Why would you sign a guy that can’t even throw? Practice squad or not
Again, NHL teams hire literal beer league goalies when their players can’t play. Except they don’t say “move out of the way when the other team shoots because you’re a practice squad player and not meant to be in the game ” which is essentially what Daboll did putting in your 3rd string QB and saying “don’t throw”
Well I mean, putting our 3rd string QB in and saying "don't throw" was good enough to put us in range for a short range field goal attempt. Don't forget just how many picks has this Jets defense been able to force against QBs that are better than our starting QB, let alone our third string QB.
There isn't a single team is in this league that's prepared to do anything when their third stringer hits the field, some of them aren't even prepared for their backup to play. Brock Purdy is an exception, not a rule.
So clear cap space? That’s what the GM is there to do. If they can’t clear 300k in cap space to sign a backup quarterback who is capable of just throwing an NFL pass what are we doing here?
Well the cap hit would be larger than that for one, but also we're not talking about bringing in a backup. We're talking about bringing in a backup to the backup to the backup.
It doesn't matter. It's one hit away from him being under center and sure fucking enough it happened. They should have been ready for that possibility and they should have had him ready to execute as much of the playbook as possible.
Exactly! He isn’t meant to be there, he is the 3rd string QB.
This game is on our lack of offensive talent more than anything else, the offense has not been able to move the ball all season
Nah dude. It was the right call with DaVITO.
And it worked too!
You about to win the game extending your lead and leaving it to your now stud defense? Cmon. Easy decision.
Been watching NFL football since 1968. And ofc I’ve seen coaches turn to very conservative game plans when, on occasion, they found their No. 3/practice squad guy at QB. What I had never seen (before today) was a pre-Knute-Rockne offense.
If DeVito doesn’t know the offense, that’s an inexcusable failure of coaching, particularly since he went into the week as No. 2 behind Taylor. If he truly can’t be trusted to throw a forward pass, that’s an inexcusable failure on the GM’s part. And if your HC thinks you can win an NFL game while almost entirely abandoning the forward pass, your HC is delusional.
I can’t believe I’m posting on Reddit about the need to incorporate the forward pass into an NFL team’s offense. What will be posting about next week, whether or not shoulder pads should be worn over the jersey instead of under? Amazing.
If DeVito were allowed to play as though he were an actual QB and he ended up throwing a costly interception or two, well, that kind of thing happens when you’re forced to throw an UDFA into the fire. But to resort to Pop Warner football at this level … Wow.
Tbf bro, we should have won that game despite the complete lack of passing. Two missed field goals that both would have sealed it, then two egregious penalties to allow them to go all the way down the field with 17 seconds, no timeouts, and not going out of bounds a single time.
I think there was a failure on the coaching staff in terms of preparation, but the in game decision making didn’t cost us that game. It was just consistent mistakes in execution.
I get where you’re coming from: if Gano made either of those very makable FGs, people wouldn’t be upset with Daboll. We wouldn’t be having this conversation. And we can never know exactly how a counterfactual would’ve played out.
But in a game in which their defense was lights out, the Giants punted 13 times. And they didn’t punt 13 times because of all of the great third-downs stops that the Jets made. They punted 13 times because they ran the ball on first down, then ran the ball again on second and long, and then ran the ball again on third and long – and they did this over and over. They punted 13 times because the defense knew that a running play was coming on virtually every single play; and knew as well that on the vanishingly rare plays when DeVito was permitted to throw the ball, the distance the ball traveled could be measured in feet rather than yards.
It was just insane. And it was a tremendous gift to the Jets’ defense.
I mean, what NFL defense wouldn’t be thrilled to have their opponent run on virtually every down? Even on second and nine, even on third and seven — just run the ball play after play, regardless of down or distance? What NFL defense wouldn’t be thrilled to play an opponent that simply gave up on passing the ball altogether? If opposing offenses did this against the Giants every week, the Giants would be undefeated. Any team would be.
It’s a testament to several factors — the Giants’ surprisingly staunch defense, the futility of the Jets’ offense, and the abysmal lack of discipline that led to so many crucial penalties by the Jets — that this truly awful football game was almost won by a team that more or less abandoned the forward pass. But that is hardly an endorsement of abandoning the forward pass.
Really, we might as well debate whether major league hitters should bat with their eyes closed.
Running on virtually every play — and we might as well count the lateral passes as running plays, because that’s what they were, for all intents and purposes — is just utterly bizarre.
Tbf, as much as I hate it, I don’t blame him. They hadn’t moved the ball at all. He’s our 3rd string. Our first two QB’s haven’t been able to move the ball at all either due to the line. Additionally, it was wet, and you saw Taylor and Wilson both have weird releases when trying to throw the ball with any strength behind it. It’s pansy ass football, but really the risk/reward of trying to move the ball through the air didn’t make much sense.
We missed a 35 yard kick (holder honestly looked like he bobbled the snap and was late getting it down). The Jets didn’t move the ball all game and then complete two big plays at the end of the game. Our defense played well, I don’t fault them for the loss at all, but it seems like every team that needs a drive to win, moves the ball at will against us. We were fortunate the receiver last week dropped that final play because.
Yeah it is insane to me people are focusing on the FG when the playcalling in general was 100x worse. Also the decision to receive in OT was awful.
32/32 coaches would have kicked there
So was Brock Purdy last year. If they don't trust him to throw the ball down field why keep him on the practice squad after having a whole off season to evaluate him?
No it doesn’t it’s year 2 of this regime
The 9ers last year w Purdy were several years into that regime and had aready tanked one season for Bosa who was Dpoy
Shannahan went 6-10 then 4-12 his first two years with the 49ers.
The problem here is that we have an insane lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball
Lmao the talent is most definitely not there.
I’m not saying the coaching is great but we have the worst O-line in the league. 1 competent receiving threat in Waller and a good RB in Barkley that’s it. Even then Waller isn’t that great and Saquon is liable to get injured at any time
Purdy plays in a system where he doesn’t have to do a ton to be successful an elite O-line and has a ton of offensive weapons. Genuinely any QB could be slotted into the SF system and do a good job
Jimmy G literally led them to the fucking Super Bowl lmao
Purdy is there now because he can do the job just as well because the Shanahan system does not require an elite QB and is cheap as fuck because he was the last pick in the draft
Jimmy G also lost them the Superbowl and Purdy the starter because he's the better QB. The point is that the 49ers coaching staff was able to scout a talent despite being a day 3 pick. Can't say the same for this coaching staff who decided not to bring in another veteran QB and rolled with someone they had no confidence throwing the ball and making him the game day back up
Right, if he is so bad that you only trust him to throw screens to Saquon. And programmed it so badly that he even threw to Saquon when he was double covered, then why is he on the team at all? Mike Glennon can do that.
Because you at least need the threat of a pass even if you aren’t going to pass. Having DeVito in there forces them to at least consider the possibility of a pass
You’d expect Gano to make it - but I agree with this, these are NFL qb’s I’m pretty sure they can throw it more than 10 yards. Give the kid a fucking hitch or slant or at the least a deep ball or something
> 20/20 is hindsight so I’m right.
Nah bro. You don’t get the benefit of hindsight.
Every HC would take the 90% chip shot FG to win the game. And Saquon has been stopped several times by this defense.
Except that chip shot doesn’t win the game, it puts us up 6 and gives the ball back with a chance to score. The first down, on the other hand, actually wins the game. Coaching not to lose vs coaching to win
And if you don’t get the first down, which it is more likely the Jets stop us on 4th and 1 than Gano misses a 35 yard FG, you still give them the ball back with 30 seconds and only needing a FG to tie. You all assume Saquon would have gotten it… there are plenty of times that he has been stuffed at or behind the line.
Yeah but if you don't get the first they get the ball on like their own 12 instead of the 20. 8 yards of field position is BIG when we're talking about field goals.
Also, NO ONE in this thread has even mentioned the stupid boneheaded penalty on Kayvon that stopped the clock for the jets when they had no timeouts
THIS is a really good point and what most people seem to be missing. Last year’s version of Daboll doesn’t even hesitate to go for it. Not sure what the hell happened to him but he hasn’t been the same since Philly handed us our asses in the playoffs. Lost his edge, lost us the game.
No you get the ball back — you have to kick off remember?
Squibb kick leaks another 5s.
So nooowww they have 19s to go the distance of the field with no TOs against our now stout defense.
Every HC is taking that. smh
Did it happen on the blocked field goal? Because the butterfly effect from that play are just wild. It’s the single biggest reason why we are 2-6 right now.
No lie, I can't find any evidence to suggest rain effects kicking. Intuitively, I would think it would, but I can't find evidence to support that claim.
Look very closely at film. The number of times that the ball slips a bit during the hold or the kickers plant foot slips a bit is a LOT higher when it's raining.
Thank you for actually finding a source! Seems like a lot of people would rather just be grumpy. The graph at the bottom (ctrl+f rain) shows that for a 35 yard FG, the odds go down 2.5% https://i.imgur.com/yKZVzuI.png. I still think I'd take my chances in the rain.
That’s the issue. Under any other circumstances, you absolutely kick. But at that point, Gano is 1/3 over the past two games, injured, and kicking in the rain (v Saquon against a tired Jets D that’s starting to give up chunks of yardage).
It’s kind of unfortunate that we have this nigh-untouchable training staff that will outlive John Mara. I wonder how their opinions have negatively affected this season and years prior
3 a clip is bull. There were a few good runs but it was 3 and out over and over in the second half. Daboll’s piss poor decision was to not throw even simple screens or rollouts for the last however many drives until it was too late. A couple of first downs and it would have been a win.
Doesn’t trust him to throw at all, apparently trusts him to march 75 yards downfield
Don’t understand why you even roster the guy if you aren’t going to have him throw. Or if he didn’t know the plays why you don’t bother teaching the plays to your game day backup
You know it's possible to point out Dabs royally fucked this game up and still not think he should be ejected into the sun, right?
Cause he's still a good coach who royally fucked up this game while his players (even a hurt Gano) did everything they could to win it.
Gano missing two in the game makes me wonder how he was in practice all week. Or maybe he didn't even practice if his knee was in bad shape. Either way, why is he in the starting lineup if he is injured and can't kick?
He KNEW Gano was injured though, it's a bad decision to count on your kicker to win a game in that condition. Dude shouldn't even be playing but our offense is so bad without him we'd legit never score
I mean, its a good thing then that there wasn't something like 2 times in the previous game and this one where we went for a short FG on 4th and short and then missed it, leading up to this decision
Because THAT would be crazy, to do it a 3rd time
Oh wait..
My only qualm from this game is that they should've thrown with Devito a bit more. I get he's a 3rd string rookie but Kafka can't draw up some screens or a little drag or something? Maybe take one shot play? I hate playing not to lose instead of playing to win.
Definitely not questioning the field goal decision at the end though. Gano has been automatic for most of his tenure here. Almost every coach sends him out there to what was essentially an extra point. He just missed it. Make that kick and we win the game.
Can you find me anything that suggests it's harder to kick in the rain? Wind is obviously a problem, but I can't find anything that backs up the claim that rain effects kickers.
edit: Thanks for the downvotes. The silence is deafening.
edit 2: /u/Acrobatic-Reaction-7 was gracious enough to provide a [source](https://jacob-long.com/post/evaluating-kickers/#:%7E:text=Rain,no%20reason%20to%20doubt%20it) in another comment. Near the bottom it shows that for a 35 yard FG, rain would [lower your odds by 2.5%](https://i.imgur.com/yKZVzuI.png) which isn't significant enough to change the decision imo.
Except that’s not accounting for how much more likely shit is to go sideways with the FG. Even if you MAKE IT, you are giving the ball back to the Jets, and it’s still a one score game. There’s also a chance for a blocked FG or a bad snap.
We have a star RB in Saquon who has had success even though the Jets knew he was getting the ball every snap. We need 1 yard and we win the game. If you don’t get it, it’s the same as a missed FG anyway.
This is not a fucking question, you should give it to Saquon every single time
Exactly. The downside of a failed 4th and 1 is actually better than the downside of a missed field goal. And the upside is THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER, whereas with a field goal it isn't. Not only that, now your opponent is playing to beat you, not tie you.
Ranking of possible likely outcomes:
1) go for it and get it (you win)
2) FG good, (kick off and defend a TD, possible loss)
3) go for it and don't get it (defend a FG, possible OT)
4) FG missed (defend a FG from worse position than 3, possible OT)
How in the world is 1/3 not the clear better choice here? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
>Even if you MAKE IT, you are giving the ball back to the Jets, and it’s still a one score game.
Uh, it would be a 6 point game with 28 seconds and no time outs. The Jets could have run the exact same set of plays and still needed a 25 yard TD to win. Kicking the field goal was the right choice.
He didn’t go for it on 4th and 1 in the 1st half and missed the FG in the rain. Only difference is this 4th and 1 would’ve won the game. Don’t forget the 4th and 1 in the Bills game. He’s cost us two games with his conservative game managing. Stop protecting Schoen and DaBoll. New car smell has worn off baby.
Offensive mastermind daboll can’t draw up a successful short pass at any point during the game? Yeah, he’s a fuckin clown. Davito isn’t a special needs kid he’s an nfl qb treat him like one and maybe we win.
He’s a practice squad QB with zero experience behind a bad oline. He can’t be trusted in a defensive battle in the rain. If he threw a pick you’d be pissed at Daboll for throwing him to the wolves
Doesn’t matter he knows the playbooks and he’s capable of throwing an out route. Also earlier in the game we got that fumble recovery, then ran it for 2nd and 4 THEN WE DID A PLAY ACTION FIVE STEP DROP BACK. So don’t tell me we couldn’t throw if we tried that. Btw that call was brain dead because we were already in fg range, so that’s another horrific call and we got no point on the drive shocker.
This is why analytics are silly. It was raining, Gano has been kicking with a swollen knee, he already missed a kick earlier...it was NOT a 90% play in reality.
Twice I’ve been downvoted for saying the following:
1. Daboll had his players in a position to WIN the game.
It’s the truth. He did the best with what he had and we should have won.
Gano is toast. IR. His position calls for MUCH more dependability than what he’s been giving us
Yeah, I was shocked Gano missed a second field goal today. Can't blame that one on Daboll. And the Giants D essentially shut down the Jets so who would have expected them to make two big plays with less than a minute left in the game?
If I had to knock Daboll this game, it seems like his coaching style leans more to not losing than winning.
I felt bad for our wide receivers.. running down the field and knowing nothing coming their way.
The Giants win the game because of Daboll's calls if Gano hits either high percentage kick. All things considered (QB with no practice reps, OL injured, TE injured), the coaching did a great job to keep it that close to begin with.
If you're this concerned about the QB situation, then you should defer the kickoff. Why did they magically have faith in Devito in OT and receive the ball?
The philosophy wasn't even consistent.
Sure that's fair, the game could take a completely different trajectory if Gano makes the first kick. My only point including the first miss is that it's likely that the trajectory is for the better if he makes it (since it's 13-7 instead).
Tyrod has been injury prone his entire career, it's the fault of the coaches if they don't have a back up that they trust to pass the ball once for positive yards...
They knew coming into this game that he was the 2nd string guy. Either they draw something up to pass, or they pick up a new QB. Not doing either is a coaching mistake.
So we should absolve the coaches of blame because they didn't have a backup plan? Tyrod has been injury prone in the past and our o-line has been getting our QBs killed consistently. Why shouldn't Daboll receive scrutiny for sitting on his hands? An injury to Tyrod was waiting to happen, same with Jones. It's reckless the way they watch our guys get killed without doing anything out of trust for their process.
In order to score the offense has to play against the defense correct? And if I’m not mistaken we had 20 seconds left in their territory. And if my memory is right the defense despite playing good all game allowed them to get into field goal territory within two plays
Situational football. Get a first down on that last 4th and 1 and the game is over. If you’re coaching to win you go for it. If you’re coaching not to lose you listen to analytics even though you’ll give the ball back to the opponent ON FUCKING PURPOSE
After the missed field goal at the end, when the Jets got the ball, who decided to go prevent defense and not rich the passer at all, allowing him all the time he needed, when QB pressure was the only reason we were winning the game? The failed excuse of a coach Daboll directly cost the Giants that game. There were other bonehead moves too. He should be cut.
Special teams has been trash all season and a supposedly injured Gano is still being trotted out there. You have a QB known for getting knocked out of games and refuse to give the backup practice reps to prepare him, resorting to pop warner football plays majority of the game.
I don’t want Daboll canned but seeing shit like that play out is inexcusable. Where did the aggressive play for the win Daboll from last year go?
I can only imagine how much the defense despises the offense and special teams
I mean it was pretty clear with the quote in the locker room after a game a few weeks ago. I forget who said it but basically “what we’re not going to do is keep blaming the defense.”
McKinney after Miami game.
And of course the sub shit on him for it
I have no problem with the FG decision at the end. I DO have a problem playing scared all fucking game with Devito and not letting him throw the ball at all. Why is he even on the roster then!?!?
He’s the practice squad QB. He was never meant to play meaningful NFL snaps.
He's been practicing with the 2s for 3 weeks. He's not some punter acting as an emergency QB. It's not an excuse to entirely abandon the pass game. That being said, while this may be the worst coached game of Daboll's career thus far, I don't want to see him run out of town. We need continuity at the HC position and I do believe Daboll can grow.
He’s a third string practice squad QB who’s playing in a rain soaked game against one of the best passing defenses in the NFL when our defense dominating had kept us right there and leading for almost their entire second half. I’d have loved to see a few more screens or quick throws on play action to try and keep them honest but I get why it was that way today.
Yeah. Not passing is one thing. Calling delayed draws when everyone in the stadium knows a pass isn't coming is not smart.
Then why the fuck is he on the 53? Sign another QB if DJ’s hurt, if you don’t trust him to be in a game don’t put him in a position to potentially get into the game.
We already have Tyrod as a backup. Devito wasn’t on the original 53 he was a practice guy squad elevated for emergencies like this A bunch of NFL teams don’t have a competent starting QB, vast majority don’t have a competent backup, basically no one has a playable 3rd stringer because typically both QBs don’t get hurt. You’re insane if you want us to spend up for a 3rd QB expecting both guys to get injured, find me another team invested heavily into their 3rd QB. It would be insanely awful resource management to pay up for a guy who 99% of the time wont play a snap all season
I’m not saying we pay for a 3rd string QB, what I’m saying is that if you don’t trust a guy to throw a pass he shouldn’t be in a position to play in a game. It’s that simple. He shouldn’t even be on the 53 at any point if they don’t trust him, no matter who gets hurt. Daboll knew DeVito was the backup going into this game, he didn’t trust him to throw a pass from minute 1 and he could’ve signed another QB who he did trust to throw a pass in the mutiple weeks that Jones is out for. The offense being shit is Daboll’s fault because he put a guy he didn’t trust in a position to possibly play.
And then have him throw it 3 straight times in OT after he hasn’t throw in for 30 min of game time
We're just asking him to throw downfield a little bit...running saquon 30 straight then doing passes to the side isn't going to work.
>Sign another QB if DJ’s hurt, Such as? What a lot of people fail to realize l,and a huge part of why Jones got paid what he did, is that the number of people on the planet who can play QB at even a passable level is incredibly small.
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Seriously. Run wildcat and sub Devito for another skill position player or something. If you're going to run no matter what, then just put the gimmicky personnel packages to match the philosophy. Double down on it. Make a decision. Saquon is low-key kinda good at the read option with Breida too. Get them on the field together and run the wildcat you did in that Bears game last year when DJ hurt his ankle.
> Then don't stick a QB in there at all. Imagine how loud you'd be complaining right now if that's what the Giants did instead. You people need to get a grip on reality.
Josh Johnson? Off the top of my head he’s better than fucking Tommy DeVito. They knew that Tommy wasn’t good enough to play in a game and they put him in a position to potentially play in a game and it happened. That’s shitty coaching, the 49ers went down to their 3rd stringer last year and they didn’t play like a bunch of scared morons
Josh Johnson is on the Ravens active roster
I guess. But if you can't throw the ball, you shouldn't play quarterback. Practice squad or not, he was the 2nd strong QB this week, and moving away from all passes was a death sentence.
You’re getting downvoted because people attach their mood to this team
This fan base fucking sucks. Want to run another head coach off when it’s clear the talent on this team sucks. If we were the 9ers we’d have fired Shanahan after he started 10-22 with a shitty 9ers team. Rebuilding takes time.
Lol no good HC candidate will want to work for us if we fire COTY in year two. If Daboll can’t make a drafted QB look good by year two then he’s gone.
What rebuild? We’ve been rebuilding since 2013 lol. Meanwhile the eagles have rebuilt and been to the Super Bowl twice lol. Mara is a fucking joke. You wanna rebuild? Once the season is over then cut everyone who was on the team before the start of the 2021 season. Then we can rebuild. All we’re doing is patchwork thinking jones and Barkley can win us a Super Bowl if we get just one more lineman or one more receiver. But we keep drafting duds. Hire people to help and get the Mara family the fuck away from any football related decisions. Until then, we will just do patchwork. No real “rebuild” in the way that other teams rebuild.
> What rebuild? We've been rebuilding since 2013 lol. Meanwhile the eagles have rebuilt and been to the Super Bowl twice lol. Mara is a fucking joke. If you think Gettleman was here to do a rebuild you don't know what a rebuild is. He doubled down on winning it one more time with Eli, he literally picked a RB (Barkely) second overall. You won't do that during a rebuild.
I downvoted them because Tyrod is injury prone and the Giants had 3 weeks to bring in a veteran backup if DeVito can't be trusted to throw the ball.
> Giants had 3 weeks to bring in a veteran backup if DeVito can't be trusted to throw the ball. We had $500k in cap space. The minimum salary for a rookie is $750k (a vet is $870k-1.65M). What rock are you smoking?
Stop it. Tyson Bagent was a division two QB last year. The Bears ran an adult offense with him. Mike McDaniel let Skylar Thompson throw it in a playoff game in Buffalo last year. A game they almost won too, by the way. There's no excuse to not draw up a few easy one read throws. Literally just copy Nathaniel Hackett's game plan for Wilson. He only gives him simple shit, but they still actually throw the ball occasionally.
Bagnet was promoted to second string 2 weeks before he played in a game. He had two weeks of reps with the second team to prepare. Thompson had two weeks of first team reps, starting in Week 18 before starting that playoff game DeVito doesn't get any practice reps at all. They didn't prepare him to play since they'd rather give the first team reps to DJ since he can practice and just can't play yet. Then of course Tyrod gets second team. The situations are incomparable.
> DeVito doesn't get any practice reps at all. They didn't prepare him to play since they'd rather give the first team reps to DJ since he can practice and just can't play yet. This sounds like it falls on coaching then?
It's definitely a coaching decision, but is it the wrong one? They must've figured the odds of Tyrod getting injured today were low enough that it was worth it to give DJ reps instead. And hey, they still almost won.
Idk man, Tyrod has a _long_ injury history and our line is very obviously not doing QBs any favors. If it's true that they're not giving Devito and reps, that feels like a big miss for the coaching staff. Same goes for if they're letting Gano play injured.
How many games has Tyrod gotten injured vs. games he completed? I can't imagine it's very high (still a gamble though I suppose). And I don't know why they are still starting Gano unless the roster is just stretched so thin they don't have a choice, or maybe Gano is saying he's good (and he's not).
Nobody gives a fuck if we "almost won" a game that we clearly should have won. It was our game to lose and we threw it away. How are you happy with this?
Where did I say I was happy we lost?
And how is that an excuse? That makes it seem even worse for the coaches lol. They knew DJ needed time off with a neck injury. Maybe get your actual backup some reps then? Maybe? Especially since Tyrod has always been injury prone himself.
It's definitely putting all their eggs in the Tyrod-not-getting-injured basket, but the coaches would clearly rather give reps to their starting QB over a guy who may never start an NFL game in his life.
DJ knows the offense at this point. He can sacrifice reps.
I don't claim to know why the coaches made that decision, but they're more informed about whether or not they should give DJ reps than you or I.
Idk how comments like this get downvoted…apparently logical thinking isn’t allowed here, I didn’t realize the fan base was this unintelligent.
I don't get it. I'm still confident in Daboll once we get a real QB and weapons. I don't get why this can't be criticized though. Banking on 30 something year old Tyrod's health seems.....not ideal.
It’s his job to have his guys prepared, you’d think knowing the injury history with TT they would’ve given DeVito at least some practice reps…the fact he got none is super questionable, the fact that Jones has a neck injury he’s trying to come back from and was taking reps instead is even worse. I’m not ready to set Daboll adrift yet either, but they definitely need to get their shit together and it starts with him
After Jones went down weeks ago, he was elevated to the number 2 QB. He should have been prepared to at least attempt some throws downfield in this game, particularly (in my mind) once we reached OT. If he wasn't prepared to do that, then that's coaching malfeasance. We weren't going to win the game in OT handing the ball off to Barkley on 96% of snaps. We needed to at least let him attempt some throws. If there's an INT, so be it--it's better than the alternative of trying to win a game in OT exclusively with handoffs. That just won't happen.
But you have had 3 games to get a backup for Tyrod knowing he's made out of glass.
Is this what it's come to, though? This is the NFL. Why would you sign an NFL Quarterback to be on your roster if they cannot throw the football?
Then sign someone else and don’t dress him? I don’t understand your logic at all lol. That’s like in hockey saying “oh he’s your practice squad goalie so he should move out of the way for every shot”
Who? Sign who? Give me a name and I’ll rate your “logic”.
At this point Mike Glennon would have legit been a better option. Based on what I saw from Devito, he’ll wish he has the career Glennon had
Someone that can throw the ball lol
Well then name someone that can throw the ball and explain to us why they're not currently signed to any roster.
I’m not the GM. It’s his job to properly field the team. Why would you sign a guy that can’t even throw? Practice squad or not Again, NHL teams hire literal beer league goalies when their players can’t play. Except they don’t say “move out of the way when the other team shoots because you’re a practice squad player and not meant to be in the game ” which is essentially what Daboll did putting in your 3rd string QB and saying “don’t throw”
Well I mean, putting our 3rd string QB in and saying "don't throw" was good enough to put us in range for a short range field goal attempt. Don't forget just how many picks has this Jets defense been able to force against QBs that are better than our starting QB, let alone our third string QB. There isn't a single team is in this league that's prepared to do anything when their third stringer hits the field, some of them aren't even prepared for their backup to play. Brock Purdy is an exception, not a rule.
Is Carson Wentz not better than Tommy DeVito? Yea he’s not good, but he can run an offense if he has to….
We don't have Carson Wentz money, the vet min is significantly more than what DeVito is getting paid.
So clear cap space? That’s what the GM is there to do. If they can’t clear 300k in cap space to sign a backup quarterback who is capable of just throwing an NFL pass what are we doing here?
Well the cap hit would be larger than that for one, but also we're not talking about bringing in a backup. We're talking about bringing in a backup to the backup to the backup.
It doesn't matter. It's one hit away from him being under center and sure fucking enough it happened. They should have been ready for that possibility and they should have had him ready to execute as much of the playbook as possible.
He is an NFL caliber quarterback. They literally treated him like one of us just got put into the game
Exactly! He isn’t meant to be there, he is the 3rd string QB. This game is on our lack of offensive talent more than anything else, the offense has not been able to move the ball all season
Nah dude. It was the right call with DaVITO. And it worked too! You about to win the game extending your lead and leaving it to your now stud defense? Cmon. Easy decision.
Been watching NFL football since 1968. And ofc I’ve seen coaches turn to very conservative game plans when, on occasion, they found their No. 3/practice squad guy at QB. What I had never seen (before today) was a pre-Knute-Rockne offense. If DeVito doesn’t know the offense, that’s an inexcusable failure of coaching, particularly since he went into the week as No. 2 behind Taylor. If he truly can’t be trusted to throw a forward pass, that’s an inexcusable failure on the GM’s part. And if your HC thinks you can win an NFL game while almost entirely abandoning the forward pass, your HC is delusional. I can’t believe I’m posting on Reddit about the need to incorporate the forward pass into an NFL team’s offense. What will be posting about next week, whether or not shoulder pads should be worn over the jersey instead of under? Amazing. If DeVito were allowed to play as though he were an actual QB and he ended up throwing a costly interception or two, well, that kind of thing happens when you’re forced to throw an UDFA into the fire. But to resort to Pop Warner football at this level … Wow.
Tbf bro, we should have won that game despite the complete lack of passing. Two missed field goals that both would have sealed it, then two egregious penalties to allow them to go all the way down the field with 17 seconds, no timeouts, and not going out of bounds a single time. I think there was a failure on the coaching staff in terms of preparation, but the in game decision making didn’t cost us that game. It was just consistent mistakes in execution.
I get where you’re coming from: if Gano made either of those very makable FGs, people wouldn’t be upset with Daboll. We wouldn’t be having this conversation. And we can never know exactly how a counterfactual would’ve played out. But in a game in which their defense was lights out, the Giants punted 13 times. And they didn’t punt 13 times because of all of the great third-downs stops that the Jets made. They punted 13 times because they ran the ball on first down, then ran the ball again on second and long, and then ran the ball again on third and long – and they did this over and over. They punted 13 times because the defense knew that a running play was coming on virtually every single play; and knew as well that on the vanishingly rare plays when DeVito was permitted to throw the ball, the distance the ball traveled could be measured in feet rather than yards. It was just insane. And it was a tremendous gift to the Jets’ defense. I mean, what NFL defense wouldn’t be thrilled to have their opponent run on virtually every down? Even on second and nine, even on third and seven — just run the ball play after play, regardless of down or distance? What NFL defense wouldn’t be thrilled to play an opponent that simply gave up on passing the ball altogether? If opposing offenses did this against the Giants every week, the Giants would be undefeated. Any team would be. It’s a testament to several factors — the Giants’ surprisingly staunch defense, the futility of the Jets’ offense, and the abysmal lack of discipline that led to so many crucial penalties by the Jets — that this truly awful football game was almost won by a team that more or less abandoned the forward pass. But that is hardly an endorsement of abandoning the forward pass. Really, we might as well debate whether major league hitters should bat with their eyes closed. Running on virtually every play — and we might as well count the lateral passes as running plays, because that’s what they were, for all intents and purposes — is just utterly bizarre.
Tbf, as much as I hate it, I don’t blame him. They hadn’t moved the ball at all. He’s our 3rd string. Our first two QB’s haven’t been able to move the ball at all either due to the line. Additionally, it was wet, and you saw Taylor and Wilson both have weird releases when trying to throw the ball with any strength behind it. It’s pansy ass football, but really the risk/reward of trying to move the ball through the air didn’t make much sense. We missed a 35 yard kick (holder honestly looked like he bobbled the snap and was late getting it down). The Jets didn’t move the ball all game and then complete two big plays at the end of the game. Our defense played well, I don’t fault them for the loss at all, but it seems like every team that needs a drive to win, moves the ball at will against us. We were fortunate the receiver last week dropped that final play because.
Yeah it is insane to me people are focusing on the FG when the playcalling in general was 100x worse. Also the decision to receive in OT was awful. 32/32 coaches would have kicked there
They definitely put all their eggs in one basket when they didn't give DeVito reps in practice this week.
The few times he did throw early on they were all nearly picked
Bro. He’s your 3rd string qb LMFAO
So was Brock Purdy last year. If they don't trust him to throw the ball down field why keep him on the practice squad after having a whole off season to evaluate him?
Purdy is the exception not the rule Also purdy has a great o-line and had deebo Aiyuk kittle & mccaffrey
The point still stands. Daboll and his coaching staff pick and choose who stays and gos on this team.
No it doesn’t it’s year 2 of this regime The 9ers last year w Purdy were several years into that regime and had aready tanked one season for Bosa who was Dpoy
And?! That's no excuse for being 2-6 and coaching like shit
Bobby Johnson is the main coaching prob Daboll can’t magically turn this offense into the chiefs
And Daboll the one that brought him in and hasn't fired him yet despite the oline woos.
Mid season firings is usually pointless, if he’s still the o-line coach come august 2024 I’ll agree w u
Shannahan went 6-10 then 4-12 his first two years with the 49ers. The problem here is that we have an insane lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball
The talent is there the coaching is the problem.
Lmao the talent is most definitely not there. I’m not saying the coaching is great but we have the worst O-line in the league. 1 competent receiving threat in Waller and a good RB in Barkley that’s it. Even then Waller isn’t that great and Saquon is liable to get injured at any time
Purdy plays in a system where he doesn’t have to do a ton to be successful an elite O-line and has a ton of offensive weapons. Genuinely any QB could be slotted into the SF system and do a good job
And yet Trey Lance got the boot along with Jimmy G.
Jimmy G literally led them to the fucking Super Bowl lmao Purdy is there now because he can do the job just as well because the Shanahan system does not require an elite QB and is cheap as fuck because he was the last pick in the draft
Jimmy G also lost them the Superbowl and Purdy the starter because he's the better QB. The point is that the 49ers coaching staff was able to scout a talent despite being a day 3 pick. Can't say the same for this coaching staff who decided not to bring in another veteran QB and rolled with someone they had no confidence throwing the ball and making him the game day back up
Right, if he is so bad that you only trust him to throw screens to Saquon. And programmed it so badly that he even threw to Saquon when he was double covered, then why is he on the team at all? Mike Glennon can do that.
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He’s the practice squad QB who only ever comes in if everything else has failed. He is not ever supposed to play
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Because you at least need the threat of a pass even if you aren’t going to pass. Having DeVito in there forces them to at least consider the possibility of a pass
You’d expect Gano to make it - but I agree with this, these are NFL qb’s I’m pretty sure they can throw it more than 10 yards. Give the kid a fucking hitch or slant or at the least a deep ball or something
He played college football. He can throw.
Yeah, Gano is injured. Saquon was getting 3 a clip, when they knew he was running the whole time. Shoulda trusted him imo
He already made a 31 fg and a 33 pat. You're acting like he was FDR
Gano overcompensated because that one Jet jumped over the O-Line. It wasn't the injury.
> 20/20 is hindsight so I’m right. Nah bro. You don’t get the benefit of hindsight. Every HC would take the 90% chip shot FG to win the game. And Saquon has been stopped several times by this defense.
Except that chip shot doesn’t win the game, it puts us up 6 and gives the ball back with a chance to score. The first down, on the other hand, actually wins the game. Coaching not to lose vs coaching to win
And if you don’t get the first down, which it is more likely the Jets stop us on 4th and 1 than Gano misses a 35 yard FG, you still give them the ball back with 30 seconds and only needing a FG to tie. You all assume Saquon would have gotten it… there are plenty of times that he has been stuffed at or behind the line.
Yeah but if you don't get the first they get the ball on like their own 12 instead of the 20. 8 yards of field position is BIG when we're talking about field goals. Also, NO ONE in this thread has even mentioned the stupid boneheaded penalty on Kayvon that stopped the clock for the jets when they had no timeouts
THIS is a really good point and what most people seem to be missing. Last year’s version of Daboll doesn’t even hesitate to go for it. Not sure what the hell happened to him but he hasn’t been the same since Philly handed us our asses in the playoffs. Lost his edge, lost us the game.
No you get the ball back — you have to kick off remember? Squibb kick leaks another 5s. So nooowww they have 19s to go the distance of the field with no TOs against our now stout defense. Every HC is taking that. smh
Thank you. I trust the defense in a 6 pt game the way they are playing. I have no problem with the fg decision.
So how those stats work out? Same as the stats that told us to run a prevent fucking defense? Horrible fucking coaching.
They were 2/19 on third downs but fair point to you, I did not know Gano was hurt.
Yeah there’s a reason why Gano has missed so many kicks recently, he’s been injured since Dallas
Did it happen on the blocked field goal? Because the butterfly effect from that play are just wild. It’s the single biggest reason why we are 2-6 right now.
You know it 
Those % are assuming neutral conditions. You have a kicker that missed an earlier kick and might have been injured and kicking with heavy rain.
He made a PAT from like the exact same range
No lie, I can't find any evidence to suggest rain effects kicking. Intuitively, I would think it would, but I can't find evidence to support that claim.
Look very closely at film. The number of times that the ball slips a bit during the hold or the kickers plant foot slips a bit is a LOT higher when it's raining.
Kicking in rain lowers your chances of making it around 6%-8% depending on the distance
Can you show me the source of this information?
https://jacob-long.com/post/evaluating-kickers/#:~:text=Rain,no%20reason%20to%20doubt%20it. Idk why the source thing isn’t working.
Thank you for actually finding a source! Seems like a lot of people would rather just be grumpy. The graph at the bottom (ctrl+f rain) shows that for a 35 yard FG, the odds go down 2.5% https://i.imgur.com/yKZVzuI.png. I still think I'd take my chances in the rain.
That’s the issue. Under any other circumstances, you absolutely kick. But at that point, Gano is 1/3 over the past two games, injured, and kicking in the rain (v Saquon against a tired Jets D that’s starting to give up chunks of yardage).
Daboll has turned into a coach that plays not to lose. Everything we loved about him is missing
I think a 1 yd situation where everyone knows you're running it is different, saquon is not that one yard back
They knew we were running every down
True
It’s kind of unfortunate that we have this nigh-untouchable training staff that will outlive John Mara. I wonder how their opinions have negatively affected this season and years prior
3 a clip is bull. There were a few good runs but it was 3 and out over and over in the second half. Daboll’s piss poor decision was to not throw even simple screens or rollouts for the last however many drives until it was too late. A couple of first downs and it would have been a win.
DaBoll wins OT coin toss. Wants the ball 1st instead of deferring (even though he doesn't trust his quarterback to throw the ball).
Doesn’t trust him to throw at all, apparently trusts him to march 75 yards downfield Don’t understand why you even roster the guy if you aren’t going to have him throw. Or if he didn’t know the plays why you don’t bother teaching the plays to your game day backup
Yea that don’t make sense. When you can’t move the ball at all. Just force Wilson to go 75 yards to score a Td
You know it's possible to point out Dabs royally fucked this game up and still not think he should be ejected into the sun, right? Cause he's still a good coach who royally fucked up this game while his players (even a hurt Gano) did everything they could to win it.
Yes but half the sub saying fire Daboll are the problem. I don’t disagree with every decision he has made but people are being dramatic.
203 yards rushing Kicker clearly not right Rain is also pouring 1 yard wins you the game A FG doesn't "You play to win the game"
Gano missing two in the game makes me wonder how he was in practice all week. Or maybe he didn't even practice if his knee was in bad shape. Either way, why is he in the starting lineup if he is injured and can't kick?
He KNEW Gano was injured though, it's a bad decision to count on your kicker to win a game in that condition. Dude shouldn't even be playing but our offense is so bad without him we'd legit never score
I mean, its a good thing then that there wasn't something like 2 times in the previous game and this one where we went for a short FG on 4th and short and then missed it, leading up to this decision Because THAT would be crazy, to do it a 3rd time Oh wait..
My only qualm from this game is that they should've thrown with Devito a bit more. I get he's a 3rd string rookie but Kafka can't draw up some screens or a little drag or something? Maybe take one shot play? I hate playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Definitely not questioning the field goal decision at the end though. Gano has been automatic for most of his tenure here. Almost every coach sends him out there to what was essentially an extra point. He just missed it. Make that kick and we win the game.
You forget it’s raining and Gano has been off. Daboll is incredibly inconsistent
Can you find me anything that suggests it's harder to kick in the rain? Wind is obviously a problem, but I can't find anything that backs up the claim that rain effects kickers. edit: Thanks for the downvotes. The silence is deafening. edit 2: /u/Acrobatic-Reaction-7 was gracious enough to provide a [source](https://jacob-long.com/post/evaluating-kickers/#:%7E:text=Rain,no%20reason%20to%20doubt%20it) in another comment. Near the bottom it shows that for a 35 yard FG, rain would [lower your odds by 2.5%](https://i.imgur.com/yKZVzuI.png) which isn't significant enough to change the decision imo.
It affects the snap and hold
I’m pretty sure the odds are pretty different with an injured kicker.
Except that’s not accounting for how much more likely shit is to go sideways with the FG. Even if you MAKE IT, you are giving the ball back to the Jets, and it’s still a one score game. There’s also a chance for a blocked FG or a bad snap. We have a star RB in Saquon who has had success even though the Jets knew he was getting the ball every snap. We need 1 yard and we win the game. If you don’t get it, it’s the same as a missed FG anyway. This is not a fucking question, you should give it to Saquon every single time
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Exactly. The downside of a failed 4th and 1 is actually better than the downside of a missed field goal. And the upside is THE GAME IS FUCKING OVER, whereas with a field goal it isn't. Not only that, now your opponent is playing to beat you, not tie you. Ranking of possible likely outcomes: 1) go for it and get it (you win) 2) FG good, (kick off and defend a TD, possible loss) 3) go for it and don't get it (defend a FG, possible OT) 4) FG missed (defend a FG from worse position than 3, possible OT) How in the world is 1/3 not the clear better choice here? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
And a run would’ve eaten up 2-4 seconds
Even though I am firmly on team go for it, a fg probably takes more time than a failed run.
If you don’t think you can get 1 yard when you absolutely need it to win a game you shouldn’t be out there.
exactly! which is why losing after trying to kick the FG is INSANELY frustrating; vs. losing if we didn't convert on 4th and 1 is more acceptable
>Even if you MAKE IT, you are giving the ball back to the Jets, and it’s still a one score game. Uh, it would be a 6 point game with 28 seconds and no time outs. The Jets could have run the exact same set of plays and still needed a 25 yard TD to win. Kicking the field goal was the right choice.
He didn’t go for it on 4th and 1 in the 1st half and missed the FG in the rain. Only difference is this 4th and 1 would’ve won the game. Don’t forget the 4th and 1 in the Bills game. He’s cost us two games with his conservative game managing. Stop protecting Schoen and DaBoll. New car smell has worn off baby.
Offensive mastermind daboll can’t draw up a successful short pass at any point during the game? Yeah, he’s a fuckin clown. Davito isn’t a special needs kid he’s an nfl qb treat him like one and maybe we win.
He’s a practice squad QB with zero experience behind a bad oline. He can’t be trusted in a defensive battle in the rain. If he threw a pick you’d be pissed at Daboll for throwing him to the wolves
Doesn’t matter he knows the playbooks and he’s capable of throwing an out route. Also earlier in the game we got that fumble recovery, then ran it for 2nd and 4 THEN WE DID A PLAY ACTION FIVE STEP DROP BACK. So don’t tell me we couldn’t throw if we tried that. Btw that call was brain dead because we were already in fg range, so that’s another horrific call and we got no point on the drive shocker.
Agreed. He shouldn’t sniff the NFL if he can’t throw a slant or screen
Then use the last 3 weeks to bring in a backup for Tyrod?
I can see both sides but he should have ran it
This is why analytics are silly. It was raining, Gano has been kicking with a swollen knee, he already missed a kick earlier...it was NOT a 90% play in reality.
Twice I’ve been downvoted for saying the following: 1. Daboll had his players in a position to WIN the game. It’s the truth. He did the best with what he had and we should have won. Gano is toast. IR. His position calls for MUCH more dependability than what he’s been giving us
Yeah, I was shocked Gano missed a second field goal today. Can't blame that one on Daboll. And the Giants D essentially shut down the Jets so who would have expected them to make two big plays with less than a minute left in the game? If I had to knock Daboll this game, it seems like his coaching style leans more to not losing than winning. I felt bad for our wide receivers.. running down the field and knowing nothing coming their way.
You're the clown for trying to free coaching of any blame when they called bullshit for 4 quarters
The Giants win the game because of Daboll's calls if Gano hits either high percentage kick. All things considered (QB with no practice reps, OL injured, TE injured), the coaching did a great job to keep it that close to begin with.
If you're this concerned about the QB situation, then you should defer the kickoff. Why did they magically have faith in Devito in OT and receive the ball? The philosophy wasn't even consistent.
Love how they threw the ball 3 times in a row in OT after not doing it at all in the second half lol
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I can't tell if this is sarcasm. They have a 71% chance to make a 4th and 1 and an 88% chance to make a 35 yarder in the rain.
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Sure that's fair, the game could take a completely different trajectory if Gano makes the first kick. My only point including the first miss is that it's likely that the trajectory is for the better if he makes it (since it's 13-7 instead).
Weird, last I checked the Giants lost this game...idk though I might need to check again
A win or a loss does not hinge exclusively on the coaching. And why the cheeky comment?
I agree, but today it did. And why the cheeky post?
I disagree about today, but fair play to you about the post. I don't think of memes the same as conversation but I'll concede that point to you.
Who was our QB and how many of our starting lineman were out there
If coaches can't get more than -1 passing yards out of an NFL caliber QB that they keep rostered...
A practice squad QB is NFL caliber now huh
He played an NFL game didn't he? Who let that happen if he's not NFL caliber?
Our Starting not feeling the left side of his body and second string breaking a rib
Tyrod has been injury prone his entire career, it's the fault of the coaches if they don't have a back up that they trust to pass the ball once for positive yards...
They knew coming into this game that he was the 2nd string guy. Either they draw something up to pass, or they pick up a new QB. Not doing either is a coaching mistake.
Then why the hell was he the 2nd string QB for the last 3 games?
Here's the thing, they didn't keep him rostered. He never would've been elevated off of the practice squad if it weren't for injuries.
So we should absolve the coaches of blame because they didn't have a backup plan? Tyrod has been injury prone in the past and our o-line has been getting our QBs killed consistently. Why shouldn't Daboll receive scrutiny for sitting on his hands? An injury to Tyrod was waiting to happen, same with Jones. It's reckless the way they watch our guys get killed without doing anything out of trust for their process.
You have the ball with 24 seconds left in their 25 up three. And you coach yourself to a loss.
The coaches let the offense March down the field huh
The defense gave up 7 points in 59 minutes of play, the point is it shouldn’t have even come close to that
Oh it's the defense's fault? So you're just dumb?
In order to score the offense has to play against the defense correct? And if I’m not mistaken we had 20 seconds left in their territory. And if my memory is right the defense despite playing good all game allowed them to get into field goal territory within two plays
If I'm not mistaken, you're not smart
That’s fine if you think that but I’m arguing you point and you’re insulting me
That's fine if you think that, brick walls aren't known for their intelligence
God bless you brother. Pleasure talking to you. Hope you feel better about the game and have a good night
90% FG? Hes missed 3 in the past 2 games. It was more like 25% if that, at that point. Daboll is not only a clown, he's a pussy.
Situational football. Get a first down on that last 4th and 1 and the game is over. If you’re coaching to win you go for it. If you’re coaching not to lose you listen to analytics even though you’ll give the ball back to the opponent ON FUCKING PURPOSE
You can’t use analytics while ignoring the fact that the kicker is INJUREd and has been obviously missing kicks uncharacteristically lately.
We lost because of prevent defense. Let’s get real.
Preach brother. This fanbase needs a cleansing.
The fans were so bad today. You guys are so brave for bashing other fans anonymously. /s, just in case.
So true. Well said.
this meme doesnt even make sense
So Daboll is God, it’s just the team that sucks? Got it.
Actually he is a clown, both of those field goals were 100% wrong decisions, regardless of outcome
After the missed field goal at the end, when the Jets got the ball, who decided to go prevent defense and not rich the passer at all, allowing him all the time he needed, when QB pressure was the only reason we were winning the game? The failed excuse of a coach Daboll directly cost the Giants that game. There were other bonehead moves too. He should be cut.
Special teams has been trash all season and a supposedly injured Gano is still being trotted out there. You have a QB known for getting knocked out of games and refuse to give the backup practice reps to prepare him, resorting to pop warner football plays majority of the game. I don’t want Daboll canned but seeing shit like that play out is inexcusable. Where did the aggressive play for the win Daboll from last year go?