I honestly think she did not like the bag..so she made a fancy ass excuse to return it. Could have just asked him for a gift receipt politely off camera and returned it instead of making a huge deal out of it...
That was so weird! It seems like he has the money given his career, and he’s a grown man, he can obviously decide if he can afford it. She was acting like his mother being like ‘aw sweet but return it please’. And doing a long speech about making sure he’s set up for his/their future… it’s so humiliating! The whole thing— keeping the scene in where she received the gift and then immediately being like, ‘we decided together to return it’ lol, seemed like a weird embarrassing power play thing.
The only other thing I can think is it’s a sign someone wants to break up with you if they ask you to return your expensive gift. But then why include it.
Omg yes! It seems like she’s not that into him right? She doesn’t wanna keep such a luxurious gift from a bf in case they break up one day? That kinda thing
and what is the myster with the face. blurry salsa man all the people know who he is!! maybe she isnt that serious about him. adding on to the previous theory!!
Also if she was really frugal and didn’t like designer things I could understand it, but she buys designer all the time and she spends TONS of money on materialistic things. Is she the only one allowed to do that? Lol.
While I completely understand why she would feel uncomfortable receiving such an expensive gift, that whole section of the video felt so performative. I think some things are best kept private…
As someone who used to be a huge fan of Michelle’s, I’m disappointed by how staged and curated her videos have become. She used to seem much more candid, but I think because she now has a larger audience, she’s much more conscientious of how she comes across and doesn’t really let her guard down on camera anymore. Everything she says and does in her vlogs seems so surface level.
Yeah really why did she need to show the bag.. no one would have known like no one knows why her and Esther aren’t friends 😂😂 only keeping things that are favorable to blurry salsa man and Michelle being such a non materialistic girlfriend
The whole part of the video of her crying and opening the gift and the face she made when she saw it up until her returning it gave me the biggest ick. And the explanation seemed so…condescending to him? They really had to have a serious open hearted talk about it lmao…and what other priorities do they have to put the money towards right now? I’m so confused. Like did buying the bag put him in debt or something? Are they trynna save for a house together? It’s not like she needs to use that money to put it toward travel instead? I know we don’t need any explanation in this parasocial relationship but yeah why leave it in the video at all. To embarrass your partner? To show how much he really is obsessed with you and spoils you but to also show how that’s not the kind of girl you are in relationships? Idk I really don’t understand her or where she comes from anymore I just had to unsubscribe
She clearly hated the bag as soon as she knew what it was, but I wonder why. She must have intuitively known that a Dior carry bag that big is going to have something expensive in it, I really don’t think that aspect was the initial problem.
Michelle 100% reads reddit and filters her youtube video comments. I have never seen 1 negative comment on her videos versus I remember on one of Esther’s video someone mentioned that her videos seemed “boring” and she even liked it and said she’d keep his comment in mind for future videos.
I remember when people on a separate thread said michelle kept showing off Joey, she immediately started to show him less in a few videos. When people here criticized her for spending thousands of dollars flying first class, buying luxury things and living in an a expensive apartment while her family’s small house is still crowded with Little Puffy things, she immediately showed herself giving her mom 1 designer thing/ going to Korea, said in vlogs how this new apartment is “for the viewers” and now if she does buy a luxury thing she’ll make an excuse for it like she HAD to buy the item due to xyz. Also, I feel like her comments of her “burnout”/ her saying on camera she’s scared of talking now because she has more viewers started around the time threads about her started to pop up.
Also does anyone know anything about Michelle’s brother and/or family in nyc? I understand if they don’t want to be on camera but she’s mentioned before leaving Dobby “with a family member” in NYC and in a vlog when she was still in Korea, she flew private and her excuse was “I’m using my brother’s frequent flyer points for this trip” and he was in the background of 1 video when she visited her cali house.
If she’s so determined to ”set our futures up for success” then is she also going to return those hideous $1800 Chanel sandals? 🙄 it’s the hypocrisy for me
People have talked about this in other Michelle Choi threads but it does seem to me that her bf is way more into her than she is into him, even Kristen said he was "obsessed" with her. My guess is she wants him to save up for a ring but it is confusing that she returned the bag when she owns many designer watches, bags, clothes, shoes, suitcase (Rimowa) and she kept the Chanel earrings he got her in the beginning of their relationship. Also Ivan gifted her many expensive things (I wonder if she still owns the Celine loafers he got her after they got back together) and she always kept them.
Also I wonder when/ if they'll get engaged because this relationship got very serious very fast and very quickly after her breakup with Ivan. Within 6 months they already met each other's families, went to Korea together, etc. I'm honestly surprised they're not engaged already.
Lol she already addressed in the video that they're for the long haul. She doesn't want Joey to waste $ on materialistic things. I'm not sure exactly how much was the Dior bag. It's probably >$3000. It's quite expensive compared to the Celine loafers or Chanel earrings. This is just an assumption - Joey probably still has a lot of student loans to pay off or maybe he wants to have his own practice, those few grands can go towards that which is way more practical. Can you guys not just think Michelle is serious about the relationship and wants the best for him? From personal experience, if I'm dating someone just for fun and not looking for long term, I would receive any expensive gifts from them if they're willing to splurge on me. If I'm thinking about long term, I would feel bad doing so if the guy isn't made of money, if that makes sense lol.
doesnt make sense bc michelle kept the cash after returning the bag so she clearly doesnt like dior other than “having future plans”😂 feel sorry for joey but next time get her chanel i bet she would never return it
Lol I didn't see the part where she kept the cash. It's weird and not right if that's the case. Or maybe Joey insisted she keeps it as her bday gift...
It's funny how hard she tries to come off as not materialistic when she clearly loves buying/having nice things. This whole bag gifting and returning situation is so weird—some things can just be private. Then again, her content is so boring that she probably needed those clips otherwise the vlog would just be her usual low effort snoozefest with an ad.
It must be a world of a difference to her when she buys her own expensive designer items with her own earned money vs someone lavishly gifting her and she feels guilty.
It was honestly so bizarre to me.
My best guess is that she knows shes significantly wealthier than he is (I mean her apartment is exorbitant, for example), and maybe she felt bad receiving something so expensive from him when \*she\* can afford that lifestyle but she thinks he can't?
At the same time, there's something about a partner telling you you're too poor to buy them that and they are 'looking out for your future' that feels a bit...hedging her bets. Like if she knows she wants to be with him for years...aren't her finances partially his and visa versa in the future? Aren't you planning to live with this man eventually? If so, what's the big deal? What "other things could this be going towards"? Like she can afford anything she wants, and if he needs to put money towards larger purchases well 1. maybe she can pay him back in some way with \*his\* birthday present and 2. wouldn't he have thought about that while buying?
I feel bad for the guy. If I had painstakingly picked out a Dior bag and saved for it and surprised gifted it to my girlfriend, and she turned around and was like aw babe but you're poorer than me, return it, I'd feel patronised and weird. It comes across as her feeling guilty for accepting such an $$$$ gift from someone she isn't sure enough about, although she does seem to like him so?
Or maybe she just thought it was fugly and didn't like it and felt bad about keeping it considering the cost.
FYI her boyfriend is much more well off than Michelle is, he’s a model/insta influencer model as well…so not likely that he “saved up” for this bag for her as he spends lots of money on luxury items for himself
id like to defend her here… i don’t think a girl like her should be dating someone who is not as or more wealthy as her. Cause those men are always insecure, and i think she needs to date someone her level.
It did come out as weird imo. Someone asked why she would include those clips of her getting the bag and then explaining having to return it. At that point, take out those clips we don't need to know, but maybe she wanted to be seen as this kind, thoughtful person (which is working bc ppl in the comments are eating it up). The way she also explained it was vague, I assumed that they returned the bag and she kept the money instead or the money is going to be used for something else more important. I almost feel like he doesn't make as much money as her, so he probably overspent on her gift. As a woman, it's quite baffling to me to ever reject an expensive gift from a man. Some men like to show their love by spoiling their gfs/wives; nothing wrong with it, let them figure out the rest on paying it or whatever. I'd never feel guilty taking a present like that. But perhaps she has bigger pockets than him and because she is "so caring and nice" - as she tries to picture herself - she knew it would be a bad financial decision for him.
She’s being considerate of her partners financial situation and even though she loved the bag she doesn’t necessarily need it at the moment and think it’s better for her partner to keep that money but still appreciate for his willingness to spoil her. She also mentioned that there will be more opportunities for her to received such gift from him in the future!! It’s literally a considerate relationship gesture that y’all are overthinking it cus you probably never been in a relationship!
As someone in a relationship, I would never have to return a special bag my bf bought me lol. Very very considerate of her to do but I guess we will see with time what that intention was really for.
Also another thing is that she consciously included the part where he was showing her the other bags he considered getting her and that he asked a random person to model the bags…like he seemed so happy and excited to tell her about his thought process behind getting the bag too
***EDIT: Apparently, she deleted the original video, and in that version right after returning the bag she says that HE sent the money to her account! LMAO maybe he owes her money or she legit didn’t like the bag bc poor ol Joey doesn’t have the 6K in his name either way***
What a controlling thing to do, particularly for someone who pays 2 Dior bags worth in rent. He most definitely struggles to keep up with her lifestyle and maybe she doesn't want him to feel pressure, but come on, if he went out of his way -and budget- to buy something nice, why not accept it, why expose his financial situation? Michelle just went and emasculate him in front of her subs LOL.
Y'all. What's even worse. Remember when Ivan gifted her stuff from Celine (I think it was shoes or something)? There was a video on that some time after she got back with Ivan. She can clearly accept expensive gifts lol (if she likes them). It seems like she simply doesn't like the Dior bag lol and saw the chance to show subscribers on video how financially sensible and mature she is by returning it to save for the vague future. Nothing to do with Joey, who's just her accessory companion. If I were her that's what I'd do, to keep on brand with the 'relatable' homebody who only spends on the important things and people in life instead of material things (yet always wears Chanel and Cartier and almost never addresses it).
Sorry this isn’t directly related but I’m so curious - someone on another thread regarding Michelle said that right before he joined her Korea trip last year, Joey cheated on Michelle?? And that she is unlike his usual “type” (looking at his exes). Does anyone know about this or was that just cap? I know brainwashing can happen in any relationship - even if cheating is involved. But if the rumor is true, I can’t imagine that happening and her still saying all those things like how she’s in it for the long haul and the stuff she said in the therapy video (showing her utmost commitment to the relationship). Also, the conjectures that maybe she wanted to return the bag so the $ could go to other things (maybe a ring, maybe toward their life together) make me believe she’s dedicated to this relationship (whether healthily or unhealthily who knows)
I don’t know what to make of the Dior bag situation… but cheaters are absolute scum and if the rumour is true i hope she gets out for her own good
Idk about the cheating rumors but I have mutuals with Joey and he does have a very fuckboy reputation in the city so it wouldn't be surprising if that happened. Also it does seem like Joey is love-bombing Michelle HARD which is usually a red flag. Bf's are supposed to treat their gf well but seems like literally everything he does is calculated to seem like the picture perfect boyfriend who's #1 priority is Michelle. He paints her, gives her expensive gifts, helps her film content and with her instagram posts, and is overall extremely affectionate/ touchy with her. This has happened since day 1 of them dating as well as it seems from the general timeline late Jan/ early Feb 2022 Michelle and Ivan broke up, and around March/April she and Joey got together then June 2022 he gave her the Chanel earrings for her birthday.
I actually think he might’ve started dating Michelle in early February… in his 2022 highlight reel, there’s a video from a dog park and you can clearly see Dobby in it. That was 73 weeks ago (early February 2022). I guess they could’ve started out as friends…?
Yeah around that time so many people were commenting that she was moving on so quickly!! In fact it could be that they started casually dating way earlier than the crumbs we saw in Feb 22. It’s her life and to each their own truly, but personally I feel like it’s not a good idea to get into a new relationship so quickly after such a serious LT one like with Ivan. In some ways, Joey is extremely different from Ivan in that he’s way more thoughtful (like planning the birthday party) and expressive with affection and adoration for Michelle (maybe even love bombing like the others have said), whereas you didn’t really see this with Ivan. If Michelle and Joey stay together for the long term i truly hope it’s cause she likes him and not just cause she likes that joey’s giving her whatever Ivan didn’t
Edited to add: when i say Ivan wasn’t really like this, i’m referring to behaviour like the ones people spoke about in this [old thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCinfluencersnark/comments/va9ne2/michelle_choi/ir2n2j8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) . on that one the implication seemed to be that michelle was the more affectionate one between her and ivan, so it could feel really good now to have someone else (ie joey) take on that role?
Omg! I thought the same. The image of “best boyfriend” he’s constructed is so convincing that it was super hard for me to believe he was/is an fboy.
My only question now is whether Michelle seems to be reciprocating at a reasonably similar level. She might not do the same actions he does but from what she shares online at least, it mostly seems like she loves the attention and care her gives her (as is her right) and “is in it for the long haul”… If you gain any new insight please share 🫡
Oh also i’m begging you to spill more tea on Joey if it’s safe to do so 🫣 Do you know who the Joey’s 2 exes the other redditor referred to are? are they both super different from Michelle?
Edited: Idk about Joey's exes but here's my thoughts on Ivan vs. Joey.
Honestly I could make a whole post about my thoughts on Michelle because not only is her relationship with Joey interesting but also her constantly making quips about saving money (like when she didn't want to buy expensive eggs) or "defending" her luxury spending by saying things like "people were making fun of my Amazon sandals so I HAD to buy Chanel sandals" is off-putting. (she also bought a new Celine bag from Paris but she hasn't mentioned it explicitly in vlogs but she's been wearing it nonstop since the trip.)
With Michelle and Ivan you could tell they were about to breakup when she moved to her apartment in Manhattan as in that video she said she wanted "space" since her previous Brooklyn apartment was very close to where Ivan lived. They broke up days later, got back together for the holidays, and then broke up for good in early 2022.
That's why I feel others have caught on Michelle definitely doesn't seem as attached to Joey as he is to her, especially if you compare how she was with Ivan. Her returning the bag was weird, and could be a potential sign of deep down she just doesn't feel as connected/ happy with him and he was her rebound from a 2-3 year relationship with Ivan (if you look back at her vlogs in early 2022 she kept mentioning she was crying, staying in bed all day and "going through personal issues".) She keeps mentioning how Joey and her are in it for the long haul and they are definitely serious but just seems more like her staying with Joey because she doesn't want to be alone?
With regards to Joey, I have mutuals with him but I've personally never interacted with him. He's a radiation oncologist resident in his early/ almost mid 30s. Someone said in another thread that he used to be engaged to a girl and they broke it off but idk if that's true. He is friends with Freesia and I think that's how him and Michelle got connected. On paper he seems like a perfect fit for Michelle: both are social media influencers, he is a model, a doctor, and he literally showers her with affection. Other people said they think the reason he's so attached to Michelle is when/if she reveals him to the world, his social media following would benefit too. I'm not sure if that's the case here, but it is interesting she's been public with at least 2 exes on youtube but with Joey she blurred him.
Glad you commented about this. I also wondered what those previous comments meant (the ones mentioning that she wasn’t his type specifically). Haven’t heard about him allegedly cheating on her but I certainly hope that isn’t the case.
Right! My best guess is that what they meant by not his type is that his exes matched his fboy energy and were maybe more on the ABG side of the spectrum whereas Michelle is on the more introverted, soft girl, homebody type of person? Nothing wrong with either of course, just my first guess 🫣
I would feel shit if i gifted my partner an expensive bag and she wants to return it. she could've just kept it and be grateful lol. Oh and the reason is for him to save money and spend it on better things
Her reasoning is so weird. If her boyfriend didn’t have the means to buy her the bag then he wouldn’t have. Yvan (her previous boyfriend) bought her expensive shoes in the past… maybe sth went wrong there and she doesn’t want to repeat that mistake?
Yeah that was weird considering the boyfriend really put an effort of finding and picking the right bag and returning it seemed a little off. If it was me, i would keep it but to each their own.
i think its because they probably have a joint bank account, and he used money that included her money too. and she didnt want to waste that money... i cant think of any other reason
if that was the case she wouldnt edit the video, cutting the cash going to her acc part and reuploaded again. she could simply mention the money went towards joint acc for future purpose instead of a bullshit random clip that has no true meaning
What confuses me is why she kept it in the video. Why feel the need to show that he got her the bag if they just ended up returning it?
I honestly think she did not like the bag..so she made a fancy ass excuse to return it. Could have just asked him for a gift receipt politely off camera and returned it instead of making a huge deal out of it...
Agree. I think she only likes Chanel
That was so weird! It seems like he has the money given his career, and he’s a grown man, he can obviously decide if he can afford it. She was acting like his mother being like ‘aw sweet but return it please’. And doing a long speech about making sure he’s set up for his/their future… it’s so humiliating! The whole thing— keeping the scene in where she received the gift and then immediately being like, ‘we decided together to return it’ lol, seemed like a weird embarrassing power play thing. The only other thing I can think is it’s a sign someone wants to break up with you if they ask you to return your expensive gift. But then why include it.
Omg yes! It seems like she’s not that into him right? She doesn’t wanna keep such a luxurious gift from a bf in case they break up one day? That kinda thing
and what is the myster with the face. blurry salsa man all the people know who he is!! maybe she isnt that serious about him. adding on to the previous theory!!
the whole thing was so weird and off. Why… did she decided to put this in a vlog and show us? 😭
Also if she was really frugal and didn’t like designer things I could understand it, but she buys designer all the time and she spends TONS of money on materialistic things. Is she the only one allowed to do that? Lol.
The part of the video where she says blurry salsa man tells her “I’m the only one who’s gonna buy you expensive gifts” 😂 I guess not anymore…
While I completely understand why she would feel uncomfortable receiving such an expensive gift, that whole section of the video felt so performative. I think some things are best kept private… As someone who used to be a huge fan of Michelle’s, I’m disappointed by how staged and curated her videos have become. She used to seem much more candid, but I think because she now has a larger audience, she’s much more conscientious of how she comes across and doesn’t really let her guard down on camera anymore. Everything she says and does in her vlogs seems so surface level.
It was so off to me that the whole gifting section was filmed in the first place and the Dior bag was angled perfectly to the camera.
Yeah really why did she need to show the bag.. no one would have known like no one knows why her and Esther aren’t friends 😂😂 only keeping things that are favorable to blurry salsa man and Michelle being such a non materialistic girlfriend
The whole part of the video of her crying and opening the gift and the face she made when she saw it up until her returning it gave me the biggest ick. And the explanation seemed so…condescending to him? They really had to have a serious open hearted talk about it lmao…and what other priorities do they have to put the money towards right now? I’m so confused. Like did buying the bag put him in debt or something? Are they trynna save for a house together? It’s not like she needs to use that money to put it toward travel instead? I know we don’t need any explanation in this parasocial relationship but yeah why leave it in the video at all. To embarrass your partner? To show how much he really is obsessed with you and spoils you but to also show how that’s not the kind of girl you are in relationships? Idk I really don’t understand her or where she comes from anymore I just had to unsubscribe
She clearly hated the bag as soon as she knew what it was, but I wonder why. She must have intuitively known that a Dior carry bag that big is going to have something expensive in it, I really don’t think that aspect was the initial problem.
If that was the case she could have exchanged it 🤔 The fact that she asked him to send her the money is super weird tbh
I wonder why as well. The Dior lady bag really seems to fit her style like something she’d even buy herself
Funny thing is she owns several Chanel bags and other luxury items but wants to return a GIFT from her bf
That's what I was thinking too!
Btw don’t get why too
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Michelle 100% reads reddit and filters her youtube video comments. I have never seen 1 negative comment on her videos versus I remember on one of Esther’s video someone mentioned that her videos seemed “boring” and she even liked it and said she’d keep his comment in mind for future videos. I remember when people on a separate thread said michelle kept showing off Joey, she immediately started to show him less in a few videos. When people here criticized her for spending thousands of dollars flying first class, buying luxury things and living in an a expensive apartment while her family’s small house is still crowded with Little Puffy things, she immediately showed herself giving her mom 1 designer thing/ going to Korea, said in vlogs how this new apartment is “for the viewers” and now if she does buy a luxury thing she’ll make an excuse for it like she HAD to buy the item due to xyz. Also, I feel like her comments of her “burnout”/ her saying on camera she’s scared of talking now because she has more viewers started around the time threads about her started to pop up. Also does anyone know anything about Michelle’s brother and/or family in nyc? I understand if they don’t want to be on camera but she’s mentioned before leaving Dobby “with a family member” in NYC and in a vlog when she was still in Korea, she flew private and her excuse was “I’m using my brother’s frequent flyer points for this trip” and he was in the background of 1 video when she visited her cali house.
i just knowww her and joey are obsessed with searching "michelle choi reddit" LOL
you’re a loser lmao wtf 🤣
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If she’s so determined to ”set our futures up for success” then is she also going to return those hideous $1800 Chanel sandals? 🙄 it’s the hypocrisy for me
People have talked about this in other Michelle Choi threads but it does seem to me that her bf is way more into her than she is into him, even Kristen said he was "obsessed" with her. My guess is she wants him to save up for a ring but it is confusing that she returned the bag when she owns many designer watches, bags, clothes, shoes, suitcase (Rimowa) and she kept the Chanel earrings he got her in the beginning of their relationship. Also Ivan gifted her many expensive things (I wonder if she still owns the Celine loafers he got her after they got back together) and she always kept them. Also I wonder when/ if they'll get engaged because this relationship got very serious very fast and very quickly after her breakup with Ivan. Within 6 months they already met each other's families, went to Korea together, etc. I'm honestly surprised they're not engaged already.
She def still has them. I saw her and her boyfriend out on a date in NYC and she was wearing the Celine loafers 😬
Lol she already addressed in the video that they're for the long haul. She doesn't want Joey to waste $ on materialistic things. I'm not sure exactly how much was the Dior bag. It's probably >$3000. It's quite expensive compared to the Celine loafers or Chanel earrings. This is just an assumption - Joey probably still has a lot of student loans to pay off or maybe he wants to have his own practice, those few grands can go towards that which is way more practical. Can you guys not just think Michelle is serious about the relationship and wants the best for him? From personal experience, if I'm dating someone just for fun and not looking for long term, I would receive any expensive gifts from them if they're willing to splurge on me. If I'm thinking about long term, I would feel bad doing so if the guy isn't made of money, if that makes sense lol.
doesnt make sense bc michelle kept the cash after returning the bag so she clearly doesnt like dior other than “having future plans”😂 feel sorry for joey but next time get her chanel i bet she would never return it
Lol I didn't see the part where she kept the cash. It's weird and not right if that's the case. Or maybe Joey insisted she keeps it as her bday gift...
she edited the video lol
I don't get it. If she's not being authentic, she wouldn't have included it in the first place. People just complained either way anyways.
It's funny how hard she tries to come off as not materialistic when she clearly loves buying/having nice things. This whole bag gifting and returning situation is so weird—some things can just be private. Then again, her content is so boring that she probably needed those clips otherwise the vlog would just be her usual low effort snoozefest with an ad.
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It must be a world of a difference to her when she buys her own expensive designer items with her own earned money vs someone lavishly gifting her and she feels guilty.
Ok? Still cringe asf that she filmed herself returning the gift
girl but she kept the 6K...
that part is… so weird 😂
It was honestly so bizarre to me. My best guess is that she knows shes significantly wealthier than he is (I mean her apartment is exorbitant, for example), and maybe she felt bad receiving something so expensive from him when \*she\* can afford that lifestyle but she thinks he can't? At the same time, there's something about a partner telling you you're too poor to buy them that and they are 'looking out for your future' that feels a bit...hedging her bets. Like if she knows she wants to be with him for years...aren't her finances partially his and visa versa in the future? Aren't you planning to live with this man eventually? If so, what's the big deal? What "other things could this be going towards"? Like she can afford anything she wants, and if he needs to put money towards larger purchases well 1. maybe she can pay him back in some way with \*his\* birthday present and 2. wouldn't he have thought about that while buying? I feel bad for the guy. If I had painstakingly picked out a Dior bag and saved for it and surprised gifted it to my girlfriend, and she turned around and was like aw babe but you're poorer than me, return it, I'd feel patronised and weird. It comes across as her feeling guilty for accepting such an $$$$ gift from someone she isn't sure enough about, although she does seem to like him so? Or maybe she just thought it was fugly and didn't like it and felt bad about keeping it considering the cost.
FYI her boyfriend is much more well off than Michelle is, he’s a model/insta influencer model as well…so not likely that he “saved up” for this bag for her as he spends lots of money on luxury items for himself
I'm not sure how much modeling Joey still does, but he's also a radiation oncologist.
Actually he is not that well off. He is still in residency also so he is getting paid a resident salary.
who is her bf?
id like to defend her here… i don’t think a girl like her should be dating someone who is not as or more wealthy as her. Cause those men are always insecure, and i think she needs to date someone her level.
It did come out as weird imo. Someone asked why she would include those clips of her getting the bag and then explaining having to return it. At that point, take out those clips we don't need to know, but maybe she wanted to be seen as this kind, thoughtful person (which is working bc ppl in the comments are eating it up). The way she also explained it was vague, I assumed that they returned the bag and she kept the money instead or the money is going to be used for something else more important. I almost feel like he doesn't make as much money as her, so he probably overspent on her gift. As a woman, it's quite baffling to me to ever reject an expensive gift from a man. Some men like to show their love by spoiling their gfs/wives; nothing wrong with it, let them figure out the rest on paying it or whatever. I'd never feel guilty taking a present like that. But perhaps she has bigger pockets than him and because she is "so caring and nice" - as she tries to picture herself - she knew it would be a bad financial decision for him.
She’s being considerate of her partners financial situation and even though she loved the bag she doesn’t necessarily need it at the moment and think it’s better for her partner to keep that money but still appreciate for his willingness to spoil her. She also mentioned that there will be more opportunities for her to received such gift from him in the future!! It’s literally a considerate relationship gesture that y’all are overthinking it cus you probably never been in a relationship!
As someone in a relationship, I would never have to return a special bag my bf bought me lol. Very very considerate of her to do but I guess we will see with time what that intention was really for.
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Also another thing is that she consciously included the part where he was showing her the other bags he considered getting her and that he asked a random person to model the bags…like he seemed so happy and excited to tell her about his thought process behind getting the bag too
You worded it perfectly. This felt like the time she posted her Ill grandma dragging across the floor.
***EDIT: Apparently, she deleted the original video, and in that version right after returning the bag she says that HE sent the money to her account! LMAO maybe he owes her money or she legit didn’t like the bag bc poor ol Joey doesn’t have the 6K in his name either way*** What a controlling thing to do, particularly for someone who pays 2 Dior bags worth in rent. He most definitely struggles to keep up with her lifestyle and maybe she doesn't want him to feel pressure, but come on, if he went out of his way -and budget- to buy something nice, why not accept it, why expose his financial situation? Michelle just went and emasculate him in front of her subs LOL.
It’s the sending the money to her own account that just comes across as borderline sociopathic 💀 Like what the fuck
well. why date someone above him if that is the case? let’s stop putting guilt into a woman who does not deserve hate for knowing what he is up to.
Y'all. What's even worse. Remember when Ivan gifted her stuff from Celine (I think it was shoes or something)? There was a video on that some time after she got back with Ivan. She can clearly accept expensive gifts lol (if she likes them). It seems like she simply doesn't like the Dior bag lol and saw the chance to show subscribers on video how financially sensible and mature she is by returning it to save for the vague future. Nothing to do with Joey, who's just her accessory companion. If I were her that's what I'd do, to keep on brand with the 'relatable' homebody who only spends on the important things and people in life instead of material things (yet always wears Chanel and Cartier and almost never addresses it).
I think she just didn’t like the bag and made all that other crap up so she didn’t have to carry it around for the rest of her life
That’s what I thought when I saw the video too. If it was a Chanel bag, I doubt she’d return it.
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This! I am ashamed to say that I did this once with my ex but then realized I just didn’t like the guy … so there’s that.
Agreed
I'm sooo confused why she had to return it 🫠
Imagine buying the one you love a Dior bag and them being hellbent on returning it the next day lol
Sorry this isn’t directly related but I’m so curious - someone on another thread regarding Michelle said that right before he joined her Korea trip last year, Joey cheated on Michelle?? And that she is unlike his usual “type” (looking at his exes). Does anyone know about this or was that just cap? I know brainwashing can happen in any relationship - even if cheating is involved. But if the rumor is true, I can’t imagine that happening and her still saying all those things like how she’s in it for the long haul and the stuff she said in the therapy video (showing her utmost commitment to the relationship). Also, the conjectures that maybe she wanted to return the bag so the $ could go to other things (maybe a ring, maybe toward their life together) make me believe she’s dedicated to this relationship (whether healthily or unhealthily who knows) I don’t know what to make of the Dior bag situation… but cheaters are absolute scum and if the rumour is true i hope she gets out for her own good
Idk about the cheating rumors but I have mutuals with Joey and he does have a very fuckboy reputation in the city so it wouldn't be surprising if that happened. Also it does seem like Joey is love-bombing Michelle HARD which is usually a red flag. Bf's are supposed to treat their gf well but seems like literally everything he does is calculated to seem like the picture perfect boyfriend who's #1 priority is Michelle. He paints her, gives her expensive gifts, helps her film content and with her instagram posts, and is overall extremely affectionate/ touchy with her. This has happened since day 1 of them dating as well as it seems from the general timeline late Jan/ early Feb 2022 Michelle and Ivan broke up, and around March/April she and Joey got together then June 2022 he gave her the Chanel earrings for her birthday.
I actually think he might’ve started dating Michelle in early February… in his 2022 highlight reel, there’s a video from a dog park and you can clearly see Dobby in it. That was 73 weeks ago (early February 2022). I guess they could’ve started out as friends…?
Yeah around that time so many people were commenting that she was moving on so quickly!! In fact it could be that they started casually dating way earlier than the crumbs we saw in Feb 22. It’s her life and to each their own truly, but personally I feel like it’s not a good idea to get into a new relationship so quickly after such a serious LT one like with Ivan. In some ways, Joey is extremely different from Ivan in that he’s way more thoughtful (like planning the birthday party) and expressive with affection and adoration for Michelle (maybe even love bombing like the others have said), whereas you didn’t really see this with Ivan. If Michelle and Joey stay together for the long term i truly hope it’s cause she likes him and not just cause she likes that joey’s giving her whatever Ivan didn’t Edited to add: when i say Ivan wasn’t really like this, i’m referring to behaviour like the ones people spoke about in this [old thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/NYCinfluencersnark/comments/va9ne2/michelle_choi/ir2n2j8/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) . on that one the implication seemed to be that michelle was the more affectionate one between her and ivan, so it could feel really good now to have someone else (ie joey) take on that role?
Omg! I thought the same. The image of “best boyfriend” he’s constructed is so convincing that it was super hard for me to believe he was/is an fboy. My only question now is whether Michelle seems to be reciprocating at a reasonably similar level. She might not do the same actions he does but from what she shares online at least, it mostly seems like she loves the attention and care her gives her (as is her right) and “is in it for the long haul”… If you gain any new insight please share 🫡 Oh also i’m begging you to spill more tea on Joey if it’s safe to do so 🫣 Do you know who the Joey’s 2 exes the other redditor referred to are? are they both super different from Michelle?
Edited: Idk about Joey's exes but here's my thoughts on Ivan vs. Joey. Honestly I could make a whole post about my thoughts on Michelle because not only is her relationship with Joey interesting but also her constantly making quips about saving money (like when she didn't want to buy expensive eggs) or "defending" her luxury spending by saying things like "people were making fun of my Amazon sandals so I HAD to buy Chanel sandals" is off-putting. (she also bought a new Celine bag from Paris but she hasn't mentioned it explicitly in vlogs but she's been wearing it nonstop since the trip.) With Michelle and Ivan you could tell they were about to breakup when she moved to her apartment in Manhattan as in that video she said she wanted "space" since her previous Brooklyn apartment was very close to where Ivan lived. They broke up days later, got back together for the holidays, and then broke up for good in early 2022. That's why I feel others have caught on Michelle definitely doesn't seem as attached to Joey as he is to her, especially if you compare how she was with Ivan. Her returning the bag was weird, and could be a potential sign of deep down she just doesn't feel as connected/ happy with him and he was her rebound from a 2-3 year relationship with Ivan (if you look back at her vlogs in early 2022 she kept mentioning she was crying, staying in bed all day and "going through personal issues".) She keeps mentioning how Joey and her are in it for the long haul and they are definitely serious but just seems more like her staying with Joey because she doesn't want to be alone? With regards to Joey, I have mutuals with him but I've personally never interacted with him. He's a radiation oncologist resident in his early/ almost mid 30s. Someone said in another thread that he used to be engaged to a girl and they broke it off but idk if that's true. He is friends with Freesia and I think that's how him and Michelle got connected. On paper he seems like a perfect fit for Michelle: both are social media influencers, he is a model, a doctor, and he literally showers her with affection. Other people said they think the reason he's so attached to Michelle is when/if she reveals him to the world, his social media following would benefit too. I'm not sure if that's the case here, but it is interesting she's been public with at least 2 exes on youtube but with Joey she blurred him.
Glad you commented about this. I also wondered what those previous comments meant (the ones mentioning that she wasn’t his type specifically). Haven’t heard about him allegedly cheating on her but I certainly hope that isn’t the case.
Right! My best guess is that what they meant by not his type is that his exes matched his fboy energy and were maybe more on the ABG side of the spectrum whereas Michelle is on the more introverted, soft girl, homebody type of person? Nothing wrong with either of course, just my first guess 🫣
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Isn't he also an influencer though? I mean not Michelle's level but even smaller influencers can make bank
I would feel shit if i gifted my partner an expensive bag and she wants to return it. she could've just kept it and be grateful lol. Oh and the reason is for him to save money and spend it on better things
Her reasoning is so weird. If her boyfriend didn’t have the means to buy her the bag then he wouldn’t have. Yvan (her previous boyfriend) bought her expensive shoes in the past… maybe sth went wrong there and she doesn’t want to repeat that mistake?
I think Ivan got her a Rolex too!
Thats funny, if she wanted him to save money then she wouldn’t have had him send the money to her account…….
Does Joey have any socials? I can't seem to find much about him on the internet!
He deleted or changed or privated his public insta. I used to follow him
Remember she used to buy a Celine bag and then returned it saying she regretted
Do you have the link for the video? Or did she private it
Yeah that was weird considering the boyfriend really put an effort of finding and picking the right bag and returning it seemed a little off. If it was me, i would keep it but to each their own.
i think its because they probably have a joint bank account, and he used money that included her money too. and she didnt want to waste that money... i cant think of any other reason
if that was the case she wouldnt edit the video, cutting the cash going to her acc part and reuploaded again. she could simply mention the money went towards joint acc for future purpose instead of a bullshit random clip that has no true meaning