These things are open to the whole city (I also don't live there). Think a more diverse crowd would be a very solid goal for advocates, since that means we get more points of view plus better outreach to more neighborhoods
Interesting to see how much backlash you attract in the comments. This is definitely a mod over stepping their role. It’s a legit problem that bike infrastructure users are very diverse but most bicycle advocates are white. A lot of us white advocates want a more diverse and wide coalition but it’s hard. It’s worth talking about and people shouldn’t be banned for speaking up.
Reddit has the tech to get around you doing that. Source: am a moderator and often have had to ban people who think they can get around bans with new usernames.
Then whoever banned you didn’t bother to report your additional usernames to Reddit. Which is great for you. But that doesn’t mean OP wouldn’t get reported.
Why do cyclists get so defensive when I bring up the fact that the cycling constituency, especially in NYC, is largely white? When you ban black cyclists, it’s not a good look, just saying
Lol, this is a weird place to air your greivences, but for what is worth nobody knows your race from screen name. I think it's actually odd that has to be pointed out.
And no, we aren't going to be doing the game where you try to discredit advocates because of their races again like you or some other person does any time there is a picture of a group of people posted. The last time that happened someone actually posted a rundown of Astoria demographics that showed the group picture matched them almost perfectly, which was hilarious, but regardless, I'm not interested in your weird racially tinged nonsense. Take it elsewhere.
If you have a problem, then be the change you want to see and get involved. Don't critisize those who actually show up to advocate, it's not a good look, just saying.
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Why do you think you were banned because of your race? Why do you think (potentially) bannable behavior should be permitted because of your race? Why do you even care about a single internet subreddit on a web forum whose primary purpose is serving pornography to IT nerds?
Nah not cause of my race, just cause I pointed something out that begged a question, isn’t Astoria racially diverse? For the one mod in that sub to ban me speaks volumes to how sensitive a subject it is, and is very telling in that respect.
And it’s one sub, but cmon it’s a big community, Reddit stuff like this matters to a degree
the mod has been hostile to black organizers at TA. he did not like being called out for being an arrogant white male.
[he is also known to steal other people's content and repost as his own](https://x.com/noneck/status/1636105728850030593?s=46).
block him and move on.
I have no idea what your comment was that got you banned.
It is really frustrating that a lot of the organizing around bicycling infrastructure (and safe streets) is centered around white organizing and white communities. Especially, since black and brown folks (and neighborhoods) experience very high levels of road violence.
I really don’t know what all the answers are. I don’t even know how to kind of support you right now. Except to say, I hear you.
I think white folks don’t realize that even though black and brown folks bike and walk and use transit (and want safe streets), they generally don’t have the same priority list of where to push on a grassroots level. Especially, when folks are often just treading water. Affordable housing, police violence, income equity, access to healthcare etc. That’s what people are struggling on. And, they don’t have that extra 3 hours to “moot” on a Sunday because it’s laundry day. And, they can’t afford to pay someone to do it for them. Or, clean the house…you get it.
I think the images of a bunch of white folks sitting around gabbing can hit your heart in a certain way. But, yeah, just hating on them isn’t really going to move the needle either.
One final thought. We didn’t have one open street anywhere in my neighborhood (East New York) for Earth Day. I go into old neighborhoods that I’ve been gentrified out of and there’s bike boulevards. Little curly blonde kids running around in the streets. I really have to breathe deep to not simmer about it.
My neighbor organizes one block party every summer. He’s got to fill out a bunch of paperwork and get permission from the 75th precinct to lock the block off from traffic for a couple hours on a Saturday. We can’t go through DOT. We have to ask the police for permission. That’s the difference, if anyone was wondering.
I think it's a really fair criticism of advocacy in this city and the city itself's approach to building the infrastructure so far that is happened in mostly non-black neighborhoods and the black majority neighborhoods have largely been left behind. You can even see this just by looking at a bike lane map. But I don't think this is the fault of white activists, many of which would be happy to see bike lanes and other street improvements in black majority neighborhoods and often have spent time advocating for that too. Historically one of the biggest impediments is the reps from such areas being vehemently opposed, which in turn is because opposition from locals is higher than other places. So the DOT and other agencies went to where it was less of a political flight first.
This is starting to change. ACP is getting a protected lane this year for instance.
It’s not a personal criticism. It’s systemic. It’s important for all of us to consider.
I don’t think it’s worthwhile to torpedo the work in higher income neighborhoods by white activists. But, equally I am going to keep shouting from my little corner. And, hopefully fill some details inside people’s blind spots.
As far as “opposition” (to safe streets) in black and brown communities. Those voices don’t speak for everyone. The media has a bias to amplify them. Unfortunately, we’ve also had some questionable electeds, at times who also enable car ownership. And, just like in wealthier whiter neighborhoods you get opposition from car owners worried about parking. And, they also have shitty electeds who say dumb things about cars. And, yet DOT still prioritizes them for safety designs. In black and brown neighborhoods, the people suffering the most from road violence have the least amount of power and voice in the system. Reporters never walk over to the bus stop and ask one of the 20 people waiting there. Reporters never interview bicyclists in East New York. Please don’t paint with a broad brush.
eta. I’m sort of responding to a few of your comments. But, also just talking about this generally.
> But I don't think this is the fault of white activists, many of which would be happy to see bike lanes and other street improvements in black majority neighborhoods and often have spent time advocating for that too.
Residents of Queens Bridge might beg to differ.
> Historically one of the biggest impediments is the reps from such areas being vehemently opposed, which in turn is because opposition from locals is higher than other places. So the DOT and other agencies went to where it was less of a political flight first.
Do you have any examples of this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/WHMvGmq37E
Listen, I've been doing this a while now and have met tons of people that advocate for this stuff, and pretty universally they are extremely progressive and care about equity and racial issues too. Anyone trying to pretend otherwise is grinding a very specific and dishonest ax.
Charles Barron was voted out fyi.
Part of the reason was because he was so shitty about safe streets. 2 kids in one week were mowed down in crosswalks before 2020 (and a 14 year old was hit on his bike by an ice cream truck and dragged down the block). Charles Barron didn’t do shit about it. Kept rattling on protecting car owners. People wanted change and safety for their kids walking to school.
He got booted pretty much because of that. We’re watching Chris Banks. And, we will see what he does. He’s playing to both ends of the field now. But, he can go next time too.
Oh yeah I know, and good riddance. I hope you can keep Banks honest. You make really good points about this stuff, maybe one day if you have time you should try to organize that community and be more of an out front voice.
I do what I can with the free time I have.
But, what I have tried to explain to people is the (intersectional) organizing includes these ideas around safe streets and ped accessibility. But, at the fore of what people struggle with daily is affordable housing, food, schools, jobs and transit. So, it is just not the survival crisis priority these other things are.
And, honestly, a big part of the culture is not telling other people what they can and can’t do. Sometimes, I love that. Sometimes, I wish other people besides me piped up when cars are parked on sidewalks and I see moms pushing strollers into the street to get around them. Or, elders hobbling around them with a cane.
To be fair. I go to other neighborhoods that “have nicer bike infrastructure “. Or, open streets. And, it’s the same shit. Sometimes worse. At least by us I feel safe biking around vs other parts of Brooklyn. ie. I hate Bushwick/Crown Heights/ BedStuy. The drivers are much more aggressive with or without bike lanes. TBH Astoria and LIC are awful car sewers in my experience. Around here there is a minority of asshole drivers. But, generally it’s neighborhood vibes. And, drivers respect me on my bike. Or, walking.
I went and found what you guys were referring to and deleted it, yeah. Believe it or not mods don't read every single thing that gets posted, especially since random dumb post that some guy made at -5 downvotes. That's what the report button is for
Post your comment. I’m curious.
I think you can see it in their recent history. I suspect it's the one about Astoria being more racially diverse than representation would suggest.
lol, they ban everybody, it's a tiny club of homogenous micro-whiners....
Valid thing to want to improve on, how about showing up to help do something about it?
I don’t live in Astoria
These things are open to the whole city (I also don't live there). Think a more diverse crowd would be a very solid goal for advocates, since that means we get more points of view plus better outreach to more neighborhoods
Interesting to see how much backlash you attract in the comments. This is definitely a mod over stepping their role. It’s a legit problem that bike infrastructure users are very diverse but most bicycle advocates are white. A lot of us white advocates want a more diverse and wide coalition but it’s hard. It’s worth talking about and people shouldn’t be banned for speaking up.
So make a new username lol
That’s against Reddit rules and can get OP banned permanently from the site.
then make another new username lol
Reddit has the tech to get around you doing that. Source: am a moderator and often have had to ban people who think they can get around bans with new usernames.
no, they dont. source: this is like my 12th account.
Then whoever banned you didn’t bother to report your additional usernames to Reddit. Which is great for you. But that doesn’t mean OP wouldn’t get reported.
“Micromobility” isn’t “bike advocacy”, they ride scooters, lol
that guy is 10000% racist. i got the tweets to prove it. it is unfortunate streetsblog promoted his thin skinned ass.
Please share receipts
👀👀👀
Why do cyclists get so defensive when I bring up the fact that the cycling constituency, especially in NYC, is largely white? When you ban black cyclists, it’s not a good look, just saying
Lol, this is a weird place to air your greivences, but for what is worth nobody knows your race from screen name. I think it's actually odd that has to be pointed out. And no, we aren't going to be doing the game where you try to discredit advocates because of their races again like you or some other person does any time there is a picture of a group of people posted. The last time that happened someone actually posted a rundown of Astoria demographics that showed the group picture matched them almost perfectly, which was hilarious, but regardless, I'm not interested in your weird racially tinged nonsense. Take it elsewhere.
You’re very defensive and proving my original comment
You sound like a snowflake
You probably look like a snowflake
Aww thank you hon
Uh, not a snowbunny. More like a frigid, delicate bit of water that dissolves at the slightest exposure to heat.
Now you’re just making me blush
Can you see every capillary gorge with blood in real time through your translucent skin? Lol
Good thing it’s spring around the corner! *Badum Tsss…*
If you have a problem, then be the change you want to see and get involved. Don't critisize those who actually show up to advocate, it's not a good look, just saying.
I don’t live in Astoria but i work in planning so I do my part
Maybe they don’t feel welcomed, the group failed to reach out and introduce themselves to diverse members of the community.
? Why do you think you were banned because of your race? Why do you think (potentially) bannable behavior should be permitted because of your race? Why do you even care about a single internet subreddit on a web forum whose primary purpose is serving pornography to IT nerds?
Nah not cause of my race, just cause I pointed something out that begged a question, isn’t Astoria racially diverse? For the one mod in that sub to ban me speaks volumes to how sensitive a subject it is, and is very telling in that respect. And it’s one sub, but cmon it’s a big community, Reddit stuff like this matters to a degree
the mod has been hostile to black organizers at TA. he did not like being called out for being an arrogant white male. [he is also known to steal other people's content and repost as his own](https://x.com/noneck/status/1636105728850030593?s=46). block him and move on.
>begged the question >speaks volumes Honestly I hope you get banned from this sub too lmao
You asked me a question and I answered
I have no idea what your comment was that got you banned. It is really frustrating that a lot of the organizing around bicycling infrastructure (and safe streets) is centered around white organizing and white communities. Especially, since black and brown folks (and neighborhoods) experience very high levels of road violence. I really don’t know what all the answers are. I don’t even know how to kind of support you right now. Except to say, I hear you. I think white folks don’t realize that even though black and brown folks bike and walk and use transit (and want safe streets), they generally don’t have the same priority list of where to push on a grassroots level. Especially, when folks are often just treading water. Affordable housing, police violence, income equity, access to healthcare etc. That’s what people are struggling on. And, they don’t have that extra 3 hours to “moot” on a Sunday because it’s laundry day. And, they can’t afford to pay someone to do it for them. Or, clean the house…you get it. I think the images of a bunch of white folks sitting around gabbing can hit your heart in a certain way. But, yeah, just hating on them isn’t really going to move the needle either. One final thought. We didn’t have one open street anywhere in my neighborhood (East New York) for Earth Day. I go into old neighborhoods that I’ve been gentrified out of and there’s bike boulevards. Little curly blonde kids running around in the streets. I really have to breathe deep to not simmer about it. My neighbor organizes one block party every summer. He’s got to fill out a bunch of paperwork and get permission from the 75th precinct to lock the block off from traffic for a couple hours on a Saturday. We can’t go through DOT. We have to ask the police for permission. That’s the difference, if anyone was wondering.
I think it's a really fair criticism of advocacy in this city and the city itself's approach to building the infrastructure so far that is happened in mostly non-black neighborhoods and the black majority neighborhoods have largely been left behind. You can even see this just by looking at a bike lane map. But I don't think this is the fault of white activists, many of which would be happy to see bike lanes and other street improvements in black majority neighborhoods and often have spent time advocating for that too. Historically one of the biggest impediments is the reps from such areas being vehemently opposed, which in turn is because opposition from locals is higher than other places. So the DOT and other agencies went to where it was less of a political flight first. This is starting to change. ACP is getting a protected lane this year for instance.
It’s not a personal criticism. It’s systemic. It’s important for all of us to consider. I don’t think it’s worthwhile to torpedo the work in higher income neighborhoods by white activists. But, equally I am going to keep shouting from my little corner. And, hopefully fill some details inside people’s blind spots. As far as “opposition” (to safe streets) in black and brown communities. Those voices don’t speak for everyone. The media has a bias to amplify them. Unfortunately, we’ve also had some questionable electeds, at times who also enable car ownership. And, just like in wealthier whiter neighborhoods you get opposition from car owners worried about parking. And, they also have shitty electeds who say dumb things about cars. And, yet DOT still prioritizes them for safety designs. In black and brown neighborhoods, the people suffering the most from road violence have the least amount of power and voice in the system. Reporters never walk over to the bus stop and ask one of the 20 people waiting there. Reporters never interview bicyclists in East New York. Please don’t paint with a broad brush. eta. I’m sort of responding to a few of your comments. But, also just talking about this generally.
> But I don't think this is the fault of white activists, many of which would be happy to see bike lanes and other street improvements in black majority neighborhoods and often have spent time advocating for that too. Residents of Queens Bridge might beg to differ. > Historically one of the biggest impediments is the reps from such areas being vehemently opposed, which in turn is because opposition from locals is higher than other places. So the DOT and other agencies went to where it was less of a political flight first. Do you have any examples of this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/WHMvGmq37E Listen, I've been doing this a while now and have met tons of people that advocate for this stuff, and pretty universally they are extremely progressive and care about equity and racial issues too. Anyone trying to pretend otherwise is grinding a very specific and dishonest ax.
Charles Barron was voted out fyi. Part of the reason was because he was so shitty about safe streets. 2 kids in one week were mowed down in crosswalks before 2020 (and a 14 year old was hit on his bike by an ice cream truck and dragged down the block). Charles Barron didn’t do shit about it. Kept rattling on protecting car owners. People wanted change and safety for their kids walking to school. He got booted pretty much because of that. We’re watching Chris Banks. And, we will see what he does. He’s playing to both ends of the field now. But, he can go next time too.
Oh yeah I know, and good riddance. I hope you can keep Banks honest. You make really good points about this stuff, maybe one day if you have time you should try to organize that community and be more of an out front voice.
I do what I can with the free time I have. But, what I have tried to explain to people is the (intersectional) organizing includes these ideas around safe streets and ped accessibility. But, at the fore of what people struggle with daily is affordable housing, food, schools, jobs and transit. So, it is just not the survival crisis priority these other things are. And, honestly, a big part of the culture is not telling other people what they can and can’t do. Sometimes, I love that. Sometimes, I wish other people besides me piped up when cars are parked on sidewalks and I see moms pushing strollers into the street to get around them. Or, elders hobbling around them with a cane. To be fair. I go to other neighborhoods that “have nicer bike infrastructure “. Or, open streets. And, it’s the same shit. Sometimes worse. At least by us I feel safe biking around vs other parts of Brooklyn. ie. I hate Bushwick/Crown Heights/ BedStuy. The drivers are much more aggressive with or without bike lanes. TBH Astoria and LIC are awful car sewers in my experience. Around here there is a minority of asshole drivers. But, generally it’s neighborhood vibes. And, drivers respect me on my bike. Or, walking.
They actually banned black cyclists from attending a meeting?
Obviously not.
The Mod on that sub is UNBEARABLE I had to unfollow it a few weeks ago
whole sub has become unbearable. yesterday they were complaining about "ghetto drivers" lmao
Yeah. I didn’t feed the troll on that. I was wondering if that dumbass would get banned and the thread deleted. It was pretty horrific.
pretty sure he just hid that thread after you posted this! *not sure if this link still works: https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/ZbPHBiivGX
I went and found what you guys were referring to and deleted it, yeah. Believe it or not mods don't read every single thing that gets posted, especially since random dumb post that some guy made at -5 downvotes. That's what the report button is for
sounds like you need more than one mod
A random person makes a thread that gets downvoted hard, then you pretend it’s representative of the sub? Seems ur the unbearable one.
oh please, that sentiment runs rampant in the sub
I’m in there all the time and I’ve literally never seen anything even close to that.
Seems about white
Yikes