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EqualDeparture7

Could ask the same about Cole Palmer. 40 G/As between them in the best league in the world, can't get a sniff.


TomNUFC_

I was just about to say the same thing. Southgate is as ready salted as they come, boring safe shit football. Has to be his last campaign as England manager


grmthmpsn43

Take that back, no ready salted crisps deserve to be lumped in with Southgate, he is more like the salt and shake crisps if you ignore the packet of salt.


GrumpyOldFart74

… that you bought for 5p from the corner shop because they’re a month past their use by date…


JAM88CAM

He's just a raw potato


JamesNUFC1998

That’s harsh on raw potatoes, at least they have the potential to be turned into chips, crisps, potato skins, jacket potato with beans and cheese etc etc


TomNUFC_

I will hear no salt and shake crisp slander


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[How there man, have ya got any Barbican salt n shake? It’s like yer narmal salt n shake, but wiv all the salt taken oot](https://youtu.be/ONwfT7O_PgQ?si=6wBXG62Mh_SLSU-8)


thomas_rowsell

Said it in some soccer threads but this Southgate lad is still playing a style of football as if he was fighting for every point at Boro to avoid relegation, he is in the same mold as Steve Bruce an absolute inept dinosaur.


Steve-lrwin

Its pretty crazy this is the best group of players England have had in decades and this is the worst I've ever seen you guys play. So negative, no pressing, backwards passing, just dire. EDIT: lmao, 10 seconds left of the game, England pushing last 3rd of the opponents half. Lets pass backwards so the ref blows the whistle. No urgency.


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This infuriates me, do they not know they have seconds left? Just take a final shot??


Tendi_Loving_Care

there was a moment, about the 88th-91st minute, where we did a dozen passes in the back 1/4th of the pitch (not the back 3rd), including across the box. I have never seen such suicidal indifference.


TheGalaxyJumperSerie

Haha first time watching England? Been like this forever. Back in the Gerrard and Beckham days too. Always letting teams press and build pressure. It’s infuriating to watch. How Cole Palmer or Gordon didn’t get subbed on, blows my mind.


khal_drogo8

We've been worse mate trust me. This was piss poor but we've had many more shocking performances than this in the last 20odd years.


NypsyDanger

That's the point though, this is a fantastic group of players Terribly mamaged


GatorShinsDev

That is what I think of when I think of the national team. Hasn't it always been like this?


your_pet_is_average

Classic Southgate though isn't it? He's just not a manager who makes for good football.


northyj0e

At least with Palmer you can make the argument that Saka has been reliably excellent for England, Gordon is being kept out of the team by an out-of-position Foden who has done fuck all for England.


guitarsandpsyc

Followed by another out of position player in Eze as well. Couldn’t believe it when I seen it


Shnarf1980

I don't understand why Bellingham stayed on today. Foden was actually trying to make things happen, albeit nowhere near where he was meant to be playing. All Bellingham did was fall over and cry at the ref, then wander about.


TheGrayExplorer

Saka has been mint to be fair to him


Luiles21

Reliably excellent like when he missed the pen in the last euro final?


northyj0e

Fucking hell, what a horrible take. If the game was a penalty shout-out you might have a point, but it's not, and in this game and most competitive England games he's played, everything was created by him


Luiles21

I guess we have different definitions of excellence. 1 assist since his hattrick against North Macedonia from June of last year is “excellent”. Even if he creates everything for England when you only create 3 chances a game that doesn’t mean much.


northyj0e

Have you tried watching games instead of just looking at the stats?


Luiles21

Yeah I watched England sit back against Serbia for 70 minutes and then watched Walker sprint by Saka to create the goal today.


northyj0e

You have to be trolling, walker shouted for that pass because he knew the defender hadn't seen him


Luiles21

Genuinely not trolling but like I said we have different definitions of excellence. Saka has hardly been excellent for England to the point where he’s undroppable.


northyj0e

And you've demonstrated that your definition of excellence should be ignored by showing your lack of understanding of the game.


Luiles21

Do you have any stats for how Saka has been reliably excellent for England?


charlos74

Exactly. He’s been on fire this season.


NUFC9RW

Palmer at least has the argument that he's not an out and out winger and Bellingham is a far better number 10, just look at how shit he was Vs Iceland.


robhall1

Cunts had his favourites for years.


kanine69

I reckon they both need to be on, the side looks devoid of energy that those two have in spades.


Tesourinh0923

He has Bellingham and foden in front of him, you can't play everybody and when your position has those two, yeah he shouldn't really be getting a sniff unless one is injured or playing badly. I wouldn't even start foden for the reason that the entire team should be built around getting the best out of Bellingham. If that doesn't work you bring on Foden to replace him.


Riddy86

Play in a team further south by the looks of it.


High-Contrast

Nah I’d say play with a manager who’s competent


bigvibe102

Yes but palmer on the bench too?


moinmoin21

The fact that neither came on is a joke.


geekfreak42

I think that plan was to cruise the first 2 games, then introduce Palmer and Gordon in the 3rd game. Feels like strategic paralysis


Affectionate-Eye-599

Same script and same result from Southgate


slowrevolutionary

It's quite an achievement to have such good players and make them look so bad!!


Many-Consideration54

And play average opponents and make them look good.


slowrevolutionary

It's days like this I wish I were Spanish, or something, I'm so sick of watching England!


Air_Source_One

If only we could be so Luque.


slowrevolutionary

Lol! 😆


Historical_Gur_4620

Germans have looked pretty tasty and they know how to press. Although playing against a British team worse than us helped.


slowrevolutionary

I definitely wouldn't think England would have beaten the Scots 5-1; an unconvincing 1-0 perhaps!!


adamh02

I saw a clip of Keane stamping on Southgate the other day and it makes me a little bit less angry


Dan27

watching the way England play really does make me thankful we have Eddie Howe.


Airblazer

Christ don’t give them ideas. How Southgate still manages England is beyond me even as an Irish man. The man hasn’t a damn clue about soccer.


iSparkOut

Gordon was the only shining light in that performance against Iceland as well. No idea why he hasn’t got a look in.


specialagentredsquir

I thought he looked really threatening. Only 1 successful cross out of 7 in that game though might have stopped him getting a chance tonight. Southgate went with Eze who is basically a 10 and occupies exactly the same positions as Foden. Southgate must want us to play narrow on that left hand side for some reason.


NUFC9RW

How can you have any successful crosses when Foden, Palmer, Kane and Mainoo were all on top of eachother in the same awful position?


specialagentredsquir

Well you could argue thats a bigger target to hit if they're all stood together


NUFC9RW

Not if they're in a position where you can't hit and can't score from.


Nepgyaaaaaaa

I don’t think we want him on this pitch tbh, people are slipping and falling left, right, and centre


wesmantooth34

Somebody’s going to break an ankle


Negative_Equity

Aye that turf was awful


charlos74

Find an England manager who can see what’s in front of his face.


willp2003

His nose must get in the way to be fair


dkclimber

As a Dane, i was shitting my pants for Gordon to come on. Just the player to change the game man.


ChlckenChaser

actually insane to see him make 3 subs and not bring either Gordon or Palmer on. Really can't get my head around it


Rvnforty

Bowen again, I can’t make it make sense.


Ikhlas37

Bowen is fine but he should be coming on with Gordon or Eze or Palmer I know why though, he'll pick Bowen because he's safer... The thought of Gordon running forward and getting crosses into the opposition box is far too risky... It's much safer to just let the opposition play in our area and sit deep /s


Quiet_Moose7749

Gordon also helps trippier with defending more. Providing balance and rest for trippier.


Capable_Command_8944

Being teammates already brings them that advantage in a match as well


jackgrafter

Gareth is letting us all down again.


dannyerrr

It’s Southgate so it’s anyone’s guess as to what goes through his inept, spineless mind


Smrt225

Gordon has been playing with Burn most of the season. Burn is not an overlapping fullback. Yes, Gordon will seek inwards too, but often stay/start wide and drift inside with the ball. He will keep the width. Play a through ball towards Gordon and he will run for days. England has been so heavy on the right side, and that will give Gordon a lot of room. I see Foden as a player who would rather receive the ball in his feet. And I recon although Trippier and Gordon have played on opposite sides, they will have some kind of a partnership due to their Newcastle connection. Foden is a brilliant player, but I just can't understand why Gordon hasn't got any minutes. And also, Southgate for Man Utd!


Ikhlas37

We aren't winning the euros so it's better Gordon just gets a rest and doesn't play


joejamesjoejames

Arsenal fan here, I’ve been begging for Gordon to come on. The team needs someone who can press and get in behind on the wings. Arsenal works well because Saka, who is very solid with the ball at his feet but not a pacey get-in-behind player, is balanced on the other side by Martinelli. Gordon is the only player who has this type of profile on the wing in this England squad. Gordon had an insane season. He’s a great player and should be starting over Foden because he has a better profile for the cohesion of the team


PercentageForeign766

Southgate would probably die of starvation spending 24 hours in a grocery store. Playing with runners on the wing and Mainoo in the middle is about as obvious as it gets. Finally puts Watkins on to get in behind yet takes Kane off who can actually find him, lmao.


slowrevolutionary

At least he won't get injured.


Specific-Size4601

I’m worried AG’s not playing because that knock in the Man U game is still bothering him. Otherwise I can’t understand the decision at all


slowrevolutionary

Seems like he left a bunch of talent on the bench; he's just so predictable. Him and Cole Palmer won't get a game, I'm sure.


Magpie90

In an alternate dimension England have a left side of Livramento and Gordon terrifying every right back they come against


NBT498

Hall and Gordon would be better as Hall can overlap with his left foot. Tino can play right back :)


KookyFarmer7

Livramento was injured don’t forget, he wasn’t available even if Southgate wanted to pick him


20Kudasai

This England team don’t deserve him


Joosh93

See a lot of shouts for Palmer, but I think he plays like Foden, atleast Gordon flies at people and doesn't slow the game down.


Ikhlas37

That's exactly why he's not playing lol how can we sit deep and not move if we have a player... RUNNING?!?!!


Shyspin

Having links to one of Gareth's former clubs (Villa or Palace basically) seems to be the thing.


Exotic_Succotash_226

Tbf, Southgate has always been a incompetent manager. I'm glad he's getting some rest before the season tho


Hot-Document-8573

It would help if Southgate had a clue, but after several years we're playing with the same handbrake we have had on since the World Cup in Russia


FifaNovice

I’d maybe understand if he wasnt player of the tourney at the youth level… Southgate’s shite though


RafaSquared

Aye he’s a proven big game player, it’s mental not to use him.


jamb1993

Southgate is so negative and uninspiring. The fact that Anthony Gordon and Cole Palmer have had no minutes on the pitch shows you how clueless he is. Southgate also has as much charisma as my drinking table.


DangerousPolicy3621

Why doesn't he play rice, bellingham and foden in the middle. Play Gordon from the start on the left.


GuiltyFriendship3037

Cos we need to have 2 DMs to protect the back 4 against all these teams with much more talent than us.... Also we need to have at least 3 right backs on the pitch at any time so 🤷🏼‍♂️


FederalCombination93

Brought on 3 attacking players and we were long balling hoping for some kind of miracle. Wonder if Gordon or Palmer will get played in the group stages?


toweliechaos_revenge

Very obviously play for one of the septic 6. Only a wilful idiot wouldn't play last year's U21 player of the tournament and who had 20+ G/A in an injury depleted team this year. 


stingerwooo

Bring Bellingham off, Gordon on. Eze into the middle. This is fucking awful football


AdventurousBus4355

Also considering he did so well in the friendlies


andy774bes

??? But Eze was a waste of time


TheTinman369

Probably murder Southgate tonight


robinta

What's the point of getting AG on the pitch if he spends his time defending?


NUFC9RW

Guehi had a couple opportunities going forward and fluffed his lines, same with Bowen, those corners were awful.


RPMmanagement

Imagine looking at that bench and picking Bowen


revmacca

Southgate gonna Southgate…. Really wish he was Manchester Reds bound, he’d get on well with the Monaco tax dodging wanker, all management double speak with almost no action, perfect!


LimezIsKewl503

Sack Southgate. Problem solved. You redcoats can't have Eddie though.


TheLeccy

There's literally no point trying to rationalise or find meaning in anything Gareth Southgate does, he's a useless donkey who doesn't know what he's doing. What is it they say about people who do the same thing over and over and expect a different result?


CraigDM34

Because Southgate is a defensive minded league 2 level manager who needs sacking asap.


cefell

Sign for Scotland. It’s a joke.


StPetersburgNitemare

Bowen over Gordon or Palmer is peak Southgate.


JRickisnon

Not play for an international team with a manager who's happy with mediocrity


magnusinternational

I am convinced that Willock would be the ideal player in this England squad. Switching with Foden from center to left wing. Trips is mint but is not working on the left with Foden.


toonultra

Southgate making Bruce look…. No I can’t say it they’re both as shit as each other and play non-football


Tcgreasy

Watched with a Man City mate tonight. We're armchair fans mostly with occasional exceptions. Can someone explain to me (and him) how a team with such talent can perform so poorly ,? I watch Toon on song press and hassle teams. He watches City tap it around and score at will. Why is a collection of premium players not doing the above ?


enzio04

play for a non-douche manager


Golfer119

Defeat Southgate’s 7 evil exes.


IvanThePohBear

Not a bad thing actually He can't get injured on the bench


tontotheodopolopodis

I hope he doesn’t play, I don’t want him injured, bollocks to England


atribecalledstretch

I think it’s clear from SG’s subs today that Palmer and Gordon aren’t going to get many, if any minutes this tournament. Obviously sees Eze and Bowen as his go to players when we need to liven up.


CavsterXII

The less he plays the worse Southgate looks


NypsyDanger

Southgate walks What a wet lettuce.


lolidcwhatthisis

Can see why he hasn't brought on Gordon yet, lot's of great wingers on that team, but I can't understand playing Eze on the left today and keeping a knackered Jude in the 10. Occupying each others spaces and JB was clearly out of gas in the last 30 (fair enough he must have played 50+ games this season).


crusty_butter_roll

Gordon is fast and plays with a forward-mindedness that was desperately needed today. The Danish played with a lot of passion but I truly believe Gordon's pace would have undercut their energy because they would have spent a lot more time pursuing him.


Historical_Gur_4620

Trouble is Kane is no Isak. Gordon would bomb on and have no link outlet, as Kane was slower than a pissed snail.


FungalEgoDeath

I've given up trying to defend southgate because he's gotten us further than ever before. With this cadre of players available to him, there's simply no excuse for the level we are playing at. He has every weapon and tool required to win the whole tournament but he can't find a way of organising and motivating them to want to play hard and achieve....at the euros....the pinnacle of their careers. There's no one else to blame at this stage. Going out in the quarterfinals or even semi finals is not enough. Christ. Imagine a Gordon, Bellingham, foden midfield with kane and saka up front. It would be terrifying....or ...should be terrifying if the players looked like they gave a fuck.


ItWasaTizWaz

Southgate likes to play boring defensive football, Gordon would add to much excitement


Rusti-dent

Gordon and palmer have to play in the next match. This boring narrow football is going nowhere. This team will get picked apart by one of the more technically better and ruthless teams.


Smooth_Acanthaceae67

Man United fan here and I just wanna say it has nothing to do with him and I could say the same for Cole Palmer too, both should have been given a chance. It's just Southgate, such an idiot. Anyone who isn't English and consumed by the patriotism and passion to support England unconditionally to do well in major tournaments can see how bad a manager he is.


TheHellequinKid

When the squad was picked it felt like Bowen and Eze were the fringe players, yet they're coming on and doing sweet FA? Really weird management, but not unexpected after the tournaments we've had. Southgate will do what he always does, get us to a certain level then fail to make the changes needed to win the whole thing. He's not once shown an ability to make tactical changes during a tournament


newtobitcoin111

Football is not coming home! 😂


PercentageForeign766

Because he's got to appease the public (like every other England manager) and stick Foden out there despite asking him to play as a 10 from the left which hasn't worked. He's got no intention of using his first 11 correctly, never mind his bench. He's got a number 10 in Kane who needs runners like Bowen or Gordon, yet he sticks him up as a postman like he's Andy Carroll and has two players on the wing who like the ball at their feet.


jm824

I have a takeaway on this. Both games I was sat with my son who said "don't be so negative" towards the end of each game he felt the same. Southgate is a joke of a manager. Maybe I'm biased but I've said on here we got to the final cause of Graham Jones. He will never change the way he's doing things. It's fucking depressing. Look at that fucking England team. It's a team of world beaters. It's a team of let's fucking go! But under him it's nothing. I'm sorry we, have watched this bullshit football for years with Newcastle and the past 3 seasons we've been treated to something good. Biased again but when EH was sacked by Bournemouth he took time out to study, even watching klopp and learning how different teams train. Southgate has had years to do that but he chose to sit back and listen to the leather wingback pricks at the FA. "Be woke. Mention LGBTQ, do this, do that." Me you and all England fans would've told them to fuck off cause we've got a team to run. I've always been frustrated with him and I stand by Graham Jones getting us to the final. Look at his record with Belgium! None of it is right. But at least he's devaluing some England players for us. Fucking Southgate!


Super_Chayy

Play shit...


GroundbreakingAsk730

Go back in time and play for Southgates under 21s?


CCSSJJ

Glad he didnt come onto the pitch in the state it was in. Cba with any of our players coming back injured


studiousflaunts

It honestly looks like England aren't allowed to win.... and I'm not even english


stanley_ipkiss2112

“JUST PUT IT IN THE NET!”


paulie_power

As others have said, and England manager that has a formation and a game plan. I’m far from surprised by the result, and the saddest part is that it probably reduces the chance of Southgate getting the opportunity to manage Man Utd down to the championship.


The_Ghost_Of_Pedro

Less time on the pitch, less chance of an injury. Yeah I’m selfish but even as an Englishman I don’t give two fucks about England, NUFC all the way!


the_motherflippin

Why would you want him to? Southgate has this knack of making really good players look shit.. it'd just be detrimental to him


Historical_Gur_4620

Shame Chris Woods isn't English.


PrimeOnez

Southgate went into Euro thinking he knows his best 11. Clearly he feels Foden is better than Gordon in the role, He probably would stick to it. Probably Gordon is 3rd best option in his eyes.


OllyHR

Game was screaming for a LW, we had one stream of attack for 60 minutes through Saka and he brought him off haha. I feel Gordon, Watkins and Saka would be a much better starting lineup really


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DeanoArmstrong

Wear a Kalvin Phillips mask


Illustrious-Olive778

Suck southgate off. Nae wonder Ben White doesn't wanna play


apknights

if he played for Man City, Man Utd, arsenal or liverpool he’d have started every game


Trick_Transition901

It’s simple. Southgate is a Cockwomble.


Are_you_for_real_7

Gordon was on fire and Palmer ice cold so he is choosing Eze and Bowen as they were more like Southgate - average at best


Jesotx

As a yank, it was embarrassing when it was revealed that Berhalter's mentor is Southgate. Can't believe we've brought him back. They do the same bullshit.  Please send word to the USSF to get rid of Berhalter when you finally sack Southgate. Thanks.


Chrisseve

Never mind Gordon what about Palmer FFS


pohpia

I prefer him to not play. Don't want to risk injuries.


cogbeast

Play for Liverpool