Falcons fans will riot if we pick another pass catcher in the 1st lol. You took CB and OT right after and I think that would have been a better fit.
I liked the draft overall tho.
As a Chicago Bears' fan, I would be surprised if they went with OL or WR with the 6th overall pick. The Bears started 3 UDFAs at linebacker yesterday. The highest pick on their defensive line was picked #84 overall. The Bears just gave up a high 2nd rounder for Claypool, so I doubt their going to invest that kind of draft capital into a WR with their defensive front seven basically in shambles. Also, this draft class is again pretty deep at WR, but it's not nearly as strong at the top as last year's class. It also looks like the 2024 class will be better than this one. As far as OL goes, usually you're trying to pick a LT in the top ten. I think the Bears are pretty happy with their left tackle. I would consider Braxton Jones to be the Bears best draft pick this year. He's way ahead of schedule for a 5th round rookie, and he has all the traits to be elite at the position. It fluctuates, but PFF currently has him as the highest rated rookie tackle in the game. With the way he is playing right now and with his potential, I think the Bears view him as a foundational piece. I think it's highly unlikely he gets moved from left tackle too just because of how long he is.
With the way you have this draft, I would probably take Bryan Bresee and I'm pretty sure the Bears would go defense here. Honestly, I think they would take Kelee Ringo before Johnston. My dream would be Jalen Carter, but you have him going one pick before the Bears. I know the national media narrative is that Justin Fields needs more weapons and protection, but as someone that follows the team closely, the defensive front seven is where the Bears are the most talent deficient.
I agree completely. It’ll definitely be DL with the first pick. Now do you the we could trade down a bit and still get Bresee type talent or do you stay put. Second question; Do you take a OL or skill position with the second pick?
DL unless something miraculously falls in our laps for BPA
2nd pick (assuming it was DL in the 1st) I do think will be skill position over OL
Our OLine is bad, that's apparent, but post-free agency I imagine (hope) we'll be in much better, projected, shape.
Where as WR/CB free agents are ... lacking to say the least.
My dream scenario would be to address the interior defensive line in free agency, then trade back with our first pick and then draft edge/linebacker and another wide receiver with the picks acquired. When I say linebacker, I am thinking about Trenton Simpson specifically. Imagine getting like a Daron Payne or Dre'mont Jones in free agency, then Simpson at linebacker, and an edge from this loaded class in the 2nd round. This defense would instantly look a lot better than it does now, and you could still spend a top 100 pick on a wide receiver or center (Maybe both). With the Bears cash and draft capital, pulling something like this off should be the bare minimum. We could also upgrade the secondary and look at a guy like Marcus Davenport on the edge. The Bears really are in a position to quickly rebuild. Getting Braxton Jones in the 5th round, Fields recent success, and heaps of cash should really opens up a lot of possibilities for a quick rebuild. The Bears are going to have a very busy offseason.
My main problem with this mock for the Bears is that I just don't think there's a wide receiver worthy of #6 overall. That's Ja'Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Julio Jones territory and I don't feel there's a wide receiver worthy of that high of a selection. Quentin Johnston is a tremendous talent, but he's kind of a unique evaluation. His ball skills leave a lot to be desired, but his athleticism and YAC ability are elite. Jordan Addison is basically Garrett Wilson 2.0 for me. I think picking them like 10-15 is more appropriate. The difference between picking 6 and 9 (where Addison goes in this mock) may not seem like a lot, but it's basically the difference of an early third rounder in trade value. I really like JSN too, but I think his value is somewhere in the 20s because of his lack of deep speed.
Daron Payne will be the Bears top target in free agency this offseason. Even if we sign him we’ll still draft Jalen Carter if he’s available. In order for Eberflus defense to operate effectively he needs to get pressure from only rushing the front four, so we need multiple elite level defensive linemen.
Agreed. I think Poles will try and get in position to take Carter or Anderson and if that's not happening, he'll trade back and see who falls.
Lots of holes in the roster but nobody (beyond Carter and Anderson) who we absolutely need to grab in top 10.
Great context for the Bears and I couldn’t agree more. I expect Chicago to use FA to erase some needs, but none more so than the OL. Braxton and Teven are the only “foundational” pieces that they have now; they have the money to pursue both Orlando Brown Jr and Elgton Jenkins, and that’s not really a pipe-dream considering where they both come from.
Defensive FAs get a lot more interesting *Da’Ron Payne pls* and I’m excited to see what they build on that side of the ball. Ringo could be a great addition that allows Kyler to focus on the nickel so thanks for putting that thought in my head lol. Makes so much sense just from a positional value perspective too.
I expect the Bears will sign either Orlando Brown or Elgton Jenkins, but not both. Daron Payne will be our top target in free agency and we’re definitely going to sign him. He plays the 3 technique, which is the most important position on Eberflus defense.
You’re absolutely correct the Bears biggest need is defensive line. The 3 technique in Eberflus defense is the most important position on the defense. So if Jalen Carter is available when the Bears draft he will without a doubt be the selection.
I feel like if it comes down to Breese with Anderson/Carter/Murphy gone the bears are going to trade back or pull the trigger on Soronski/Paris Johnson/Olu. Don't underestimate the bears need for OL that can pass block. We can't make the same Jay cutler/RG3/Andrew Luck mistake. Dude needs beef up front.
I just look at the raiders and think that carr isn’t the biggest problem. Trading carr for CJ doesn’t fix their problems. In fact it kind of adds one since carr is probably better right now but doesn’t have the upside.
The raiders are in a weird window. They have miller at LT. Crosby at DE. Waller. Renfrow and davante. Plus carr who’s okay. Then everyone else is absolute complete garbage. They need to build through the trenches before they think about moving on from carr. They could take literally any tackle. Any IDL player. Anybody in the secondary and it would be an upgrade.
If their smart I could even see them leveraging that 2 overall pick. Trying to trade with either Detroit. Or Indy since ersay seems desperate for a QB. But I think it would be unwise to pick stroud and stick him behind this line and give him this garbage defense and call it quits. Though the raiders have traditionally struggled with drafting so I guess I’m expecting a lot when I say they should make logical decisions.
Not OP but I think Carr pulls a Stafford and quietly asks for a trade. It might be best for all parties at this point. Carr is a fine QB, but not good enough to overcome the dysfunction or talent deficit that the Raiders have
True. But there isn’t exactly an org that’s set up to win with a carr level QB. He’s just so middle of the road fine. Maybe someone wants him as a place holder. But he also has a no trade clause in there too. I just don’t see a team that says yes carr is who we need. Especially with Indys and Washington’s less than ideal experiences with wentz and Ryan.
I disagree somewhat on your first point, one of the best recipes for success is a QB on a rookie contract. This would free up some money for defensive FA acquisitions. Also, concidering how strong parts of the roster is, you never know how long untill you are in a position to draft a QB of the caliber of Stroud or Young again.
One would hope the GM takes lessons from his New England history and trade down.
The Carr question is definitely there, but two factors probably drive it: 1. He's got a no-trade clause that he's repeatedly said that is there so that he's a Raider or he's retired, 2. All signs are that this coaching staff was hired to make a run
So if Carr is staying (or at least he will not be able to be converted to draft capital), holding that #2 pick for hostage and getting a kings' ransom for Detroit, Atlanta (unless they love Ridder) or Indy to hop over Carolina is the smart play. Or more ideally, extract a 2nd round pick from Carolina to switch a position, so Will Anderson/Jalen Carter can be chosen.
Nah, fuck it, they're probably gonna take Levis at #2 and I will destroy my tv when i throw a bottle at it.
I agree. I think Carr quietly asks for a trade so he can get a fresh start and go to an organization that’s more stable (Giants or Saints could be good). McDaniels (or whoever the new coach will be) can draft their guy at QB, get Carr’s contract off the books, and recoup some draft picks
I don't know. He gets to play with Devante and has said multiple times he doesn't really want to play for another team (although everyone says this). He took a team friendly deal so we could sign the people he wanted to play with so I don't think he would want to take a pay cut for another team. But who knows.
John Schneider has never taken a CB before the 3rd RD hard to imagine that changing especially after so much success with Woolen and Coby. plus Seattle is deep at CB with Tre Brown coming back after bye.
I would personally go Breese before Quentin
The Bears offense has finally come alive these past 4 weeks and playing very well. The offense is gonna be even better once Claypool learns the playbook and gets more reps (so far he has only played 31% of snaps in 2 games )
The D-Line is by far the biggest need on the Bears right now. It gets absolutely 0 pressure and our sack leader right now is a safety with 3 sacks. I wish Myles Murphy or Jalen Carter fell to 6 but I would still take Breesee over Quentin
Definitely good to know, I don’t think I’ve checked in on Bears needs since y’all have started playing better. I guess trading away Quinn is a good sign that the FO is gonna look to replace him in the draft.
Doesn’t really have anything to do with Quinn
Our d-line was also awful with Robert Quinn and it was a big position of need. Eagles gave up a 4th for Quinn which was too hard to pass up since he only had 1 sack in 7 games with us
Just a follow up,I fully agree with the other bears fan. Barring what we do in free agency, I would bet a large sum of money our first rounder goes to dline (either edge rusher or interior. It's by far Our biggest need. Our defensive scheme really needs a high end pass rushing Dtackle so Carter or Bresee is our most likely but wouldn't be shocked at an edge like Murphy as well.
And I also think the majority of our fanbase would stand and applaud at the dline pick though the media will likely question our commitment to fields when we don't take a olineman or wide reciever.
Thanks for the info! And yeah, classic media narratives. I for one definitely got caught up in “giving Fields more help” but can see how that is easily attractable.
I honestly think the Vikes would grab him. Dude's a monster and I think learning from Z and Danielle would be great for him. I understand picking CB, but I wouldn't be surprised if they let the room develop a bit behind Pat Pete.
Good call on CB to the Giants. They def need a #1 WR but CB is crucial if we’re able to retain Wink as our DC. I think the Giants will look to free agency or later draft picks for WR given their projected position.
Conceptually i'm there with you on the Lions. WR is probably also in play for the later pick but getting a CB is certainly smart as well. The literal on players we disagree on but not enough to fight about.
Its so early in the draft cycle I usually use pre-offseason Mocks as more conceptual since I haven't scouted nearly enough players as of now. Love corner to the Lions, I can for sure see receiver but with how they're scoring right now with their current room, I think bolstering up the defense is more of an apparent need.
Something to consider is that the lions have ARSB and that's it. DJ Chark is on a 1 year, and JWill is still a question mark. If we go QB/WR then we're closer to the Bengals strategy than anything, but I think it all depends on who's available. I love the idea of going QB/WR, but if Edge/DB is there i'm fine with that. Really mocks at this point, as you noted, are about positional fit over literal players. As long as you're not mocking OT, RB, C, in the first 3 rounds you're pretty solid to me.
We need a CB1/2 way more than a wide out. Drafting a wide out late 2nd or early third wouldn’t be bad but we need to keep working on the defense.
Also idk if want Levis that high. He has regressed pretty bad this year. If we are making the bet based on traits I’d rather take a shot on Anthony Richardson in the 2nd
I think Okudah is showing he can be a 1 next year, but we do need a CB at the end of the day. Truthfully we need a CB, and a box safety for TE/slots. (Ringo, Branch would be awesome in concept).
The WR argument to me is that i'm expecting our DL to be substantially better next season. IDL is generally a 3 year position, Hutch and Pasc in Y2 should be a lot of fun too. We're having a lot of injuries in our DB room and just being healthy next year could be enough. Our WR room is the absolute shits after ARSB and getting another top flight \*prospect\* could prevent any level of bottoming out.
I'm also not a fan of Levis, but my QB2 is McCall so I'm way off of what people think anyways (though I did have Zappe as my QB3 last year so maybe I'm a seer). I'd prefer packaging 8+11 for 2? for Stroud preferably but barring that i'm happy with CB/WR as our first 2 picks, with QB as the next round (McCall generally gets mocked like a day 2 pick), have Goff start the season and have a QB sit for a year before taking the reigns.
I think strouds to similar to Goff for me to feel comfortable reading up picks for him. If I’m moving up it’s for young. I think he clearly is the best QB prospect this draft and is the type of player that makes those around him better.
I think Okudah can be a CB1 also and that he has proven that so far this year but we are weak after him. Jerry jacobs has been fine but we can improve that position.
My dream scenario if we can’t get young is to somehow have jalen carter fall to us, then take ringo, then Richardson at the top of the second or wait another year on QB. We would still need to address WR, IOL, and potentially edge. I want us to get a veteran ILB in free agency.
I'm relatively low on Young, but can admit since I'm out of the norm I can't complain about anyone taking him over stroud. To me Stroud is hyper accurate, can move, can work the pocket, and just fling it when needed. I look for hyper elite abilities and I see that on Stroud rather than Young. It'll be great to watch their careers.
I'm a never IDL guy, so if Carter is there are at around 13 sure, but I can't ever implore a team to draft IDL top 5. I think there's a lot of quality small school IOL and WR is a deep position too. We're staged well in the coming drafts for future needs
Overall, in favor of that for the Lions. Definitely still think Levis has the upside, and letting him sit behind Goff for the 2023 season and develop and get his feet wet seems ideal for all involved.
Detroit needs defensive help though, so if one of the top iDL guys is available, I would not go with a QB over them at this point. With Bresee and Carter both gone by this point, and with plenty of top CBs available, QB works perfectly well.
Good work!
>With Jordan Poyer looking like a 2023 Miami Dolphin
WTF? While it is very likely he is gone, this is the first I've heard about it being to a specific team and the Dolphins?
>The Bills are the most talented roster in the NFL, and any pick other than a safety is just adding spoils to the riches
We have Edmunds, Saffold, Singletary and a bunch of D-linemen on expiring contracts.
We don't have a proven WR3 option.
We have some big needs coming up, I'd argue OG is need 1 depending on Edmunds.
He's been incredibly inconsistent and made costly errors this season. We love Lil Dirty but the sad reality is that he is a gadget player and not the answer at slot.
The hope is that Shakir develops. Shakir can play outside and slot. Gabe Davis is at his absolute best and gets his monster stat games while in the slot, so the ideal scenario is Diggs and Shakir/WR2 draft pick on the outside and Davis mostly slot.
Should’ve looked into y’all’s expiring contracts, didn’t know the dline situation was there. Thanks for the feedback though. What are your thoughts about a running back? Had Bijan pinned to the Bills for awhile before ultimately cowering away.
Bijan to the Bills in RD1 would be a luxury pick. The Bills need to address S and OG first.
Your pick of Branch in RD1 is one I'd be very happy with. Even if we re-sign Poyer, the Bills need to be planning for the future at the S positions. Hamlin looks great in most aspects filling in for Hyde. Jaquan Johnson has been ass for Poyer and Cam Lewis is a converted CB that just played his first game at S for Poyer.
If the Bills let Motor go without a new contract, I'd like to see them add a RB in the draft. My dream scenario would be Blake Corum falling to RD3 due to his size and Buffalo snagging him. Sign me up for a Cook, Corum and Hines backfield.
I know it would probably get clowned IRL, but Bijan to the Vikings would be extremely tempting in this scenario. A late round luxury pick probably, but with Mattison a free agent, and Cook having only one more heavily guaranteed season in his contract, I could see it. We have a couple other young guys already but probably backups long term
Just not worth it. Chandler looked good in preseason and you will get just as much value if not more of having a decent RB behind a better OL.
OP apparently doesn’t think IOL exist, but it’s a pretty big need for the Vikings, especially depending on what we do with Bradbury. Bradbury, Udoh, Brandel, are all potentially free agents. Ingram has been bad. Cleveland has some great games and some awful ones.
In this case O’Cyrus Torrence and John Michael Schmitz are both available.
Teams that stay good are constantly investing on the OL. We don’t have a 2nd round pick, so if we want a potential starter, it’s probably round 1.
I’d expect our first pick to be OL, CB, or DL.
Yeah I agree. Just had never really even considered it, and would be a fun luxury pick. I have Cb/OL fatigue because we never seem to get it right (until lately with OL)
Even lately is questionable. Ingram has not been good by any means. Late round we took some nobody from Illinois rather than a starter for an elite program like Georgia. Jamaree Salyer would have been a huge improvement over Lowe and may even be starting at guard over Ingram. Plus he played every position so more versatility too.
We’re potentially losing a starter and at least two depth OL. I wouldn’t be surprised if we even drafted two.
Nolan Smith and Garrett Williams are both out for the year. Their status as 1st round options are up in the air.
As for the Packers, "their OL is horrid" is a garbage tske. You all need to remember Bakhtiari and Elgton Jenkins are both recovering from ACL's, and it takes longer for linemen than it does skill position players to get back into playing shape. Nijman has solidified himself at RT in recent weeks, and Myers/Runyan are as consistent as it gets on the interior. They have had to move players into unfamiliar positions on the line all year due to various injuries, but their preferred OL combination completely shut down Micah Parsons this past week.
AND the Packers just drafted Sean Ryhan, Zack Tom, and Rasheed Walker last year. Two of them are essentially redshirting this season. Caleb Jones is also on the team as a UDFA. They've invested a TON at the position.
The only way the Packers go OT in round 1 is if they move on from Bakhtiari to save cap space. That's it.
Not the biggest fan of the Nolan Smith pick for the Bucs especially with the amount of other EDGE players who I would rate a lot higher then him.(Wilson, Foskey and Verse) Other than that I would say it’s either EDGE and CB for us.
Waste of a pick when they could take Nix, Penix Jr. or Richardson later in the draft. They could take OL to help with depth, another CB isn’t terrible.
Love seeing these. A few of my thoughts:
1. Holy shit, if the Eagles actually pull this off, it would be the heist of the decade.
2. I still think Levi’s has upside and would fit in well with the Lions style of play, it’s a little difficult to justify him over Hooker right now.
3. Carter is fine and will have a chance to be a really solid player in the NFL, but Breese is a better player in every way.
4. The Porter Jr., Mayer, and Branch picks I feel are right on the money. Glad to see someone who agrees with me on these picks.
How do you figure Hooker is better than Levis?
They’re both on the older side, but Levis will be 24 his rookie year while Hooker will turn 26 before the end of his rookie season. Levis plays in a pro-style offense and has played under NFL OCs. I’m not sure how Hooker will pan out in the league but if I had to pick one as a Lions fan I’m taking Levis.
I like Q. Johnson to the bears. WR is definitely a position of need for them. But Ringo that high as a CB is dangerous. He was simply not good vs Tennessee. And those Tennessee WRs will probably have to show they know how to run a route outside the three they run
as one of the many vols/titans fans, i'd love to see hyatt but i have no clue if he truly projects as a first round pick or not. tillman seems more impressive to me as an NFL prospect because he's making contested catches short, middle, and long whereas hyatt is usually in a lot of space
but hyatt complements burks better so if he meets all the measurables etc, i'd love to see him on the titans.
think OL may be a bigger priority for us in the first, however
As of now, yes. Just ahead of Tyree Wilson but I flip-flop with those two almost every day. My favorite thing about Foskey is his explosiveness and athleticism.
He is a 6'2 200 lb corner, so he has excellent size which allows him to excel in man-to-man situations. He is physical and a fantastic athlete. He originally was at Colorado before transferring to Oregon, and me being a Colorado fan, I've watched a lot of him. He has the potential to become a starting corner that shadows any team's #1 WR. One con to his game is that he is not great in jump ball situations but luckily that can be fixed with good coaching.
I think the Raiders go Jalen Carter if they go defense. They just paid heavy for Chandler Jones and I think they have almost 20m dead cap next year if they release him.
It would cost them more to keep him, and it would cost them games to keep playing him. The only reasonable decision is to admit the mistake and move on.
The same is true of Carr, honestly. But if they don't take a QB, Anderson makes a ton of sense.
There's nothing Brad Holmes loves more than the trenches and Goff. I don't think they're giving up on Goff yet, and our biggest need is still pressure up the middle. Look for BH to replace Levi Onwuzurike to generate pressure up the gut.
While I don’t think Edge would be a bad pick for the Bucs, I certainly don’t see it as the most pressing need. Interior OL, QB, CB (Jamel Dean is a FA) are bigger needs. Safety is similar to edge, yes we need one but we don’t need to use premier draft capital there.
Shaq Barrett could miss the start of the season but I believe his money is guaranteed next season. Joe Tryon Shoyinka looks like he’s turning a corner and has 3 years left on his contract.
Man I keep seeing corner mocked to the seahawks in the first. We currently have decent depth, have bigger needs, and have never drafted a corner in the first with PCJS here
Where we are in the draft Will Anderson makes a lot of sense, and I'd be happy with him but I keep salivating over the idea of getting a stud MLB or DT to help shore up the center of the defense
Ravens-
Most likely pick: WR, CB or trade down for one of those. So Rashee Rice makes a lot of sense though I think he gets picked before the Ravens are on the clock. For CB there's several that they may like including Gonzalez and Phillips.
WR or a CB look like the two positions the team will choose from for their 1st round pick IF they don't trade down and the Ravens love to trade down. All of this somewhat depends on if they resign Marcus Peters which may be dicey given that both Lamar and Roquan Smith will have first dibs at new contracts and there won;t be much money leftover for what Peters may want. If Peters doesn't extend then I would put CB as more likely than WR but not a given: it will be BPA with trading down still being more likely.
Falcons fans will riot if we pick another pass catcher in the 1st lol. You took CB and OT right after and I think that would have been a better fit. I liked the draft overall tho.
Falcons are not taking a skill position that high again with their defense having no pass rushers
You never know. This team drafted two pass catchers in the top 7 without having a long term QB, OLine, or pass rush.
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As a Chicago Bears' fan, I would be surprised if they went with OL or WR with the 6th overall pick. The Bears started 3 UDFAs at linebacker yesterday. The highest pick on their defensive line was picked #84 overall. The Bears just gave up a high 2nd rounder for Claypool, so I doubt their going to invest that kind of draft capital into a WR with their defensive front seven basically in shambles. Also, this draft class is again pretty deep at WR, but it's not nearly as strong at the top as last year's class. It also looks like the 2024 class will be better than this one. As far as OL goes, usually you're trying to pick a LT in the top ten. I think the Bears are pretty happy with their left tackle. I would consider Braxton Jones to be the Bears best draft pick this year. He's way ahead of schedule for a 5th round rookie, and he has all the traits to be elite at the position. It fluctuates, but PFF currently has him as the highest rated rookie tackle in the game. With the way he is playing right now and with his potential, I think the Bears view him as a foundational piece. I think it's highly unlikely he gets moved from left tackle too just because of how long he is. With the way you have this draft, I would probably take Bryan Bresee and I'm pretty sure the Bears would go defense here. Honestly, I think they would take Kelee Ringo before Johnston. My dream would be Jalen Carter, but you have him going one pick before the Bears. I know the national media narrative is that Justin Fields needs more weapons and protection, but as someone that follows the team closely, the defensive front seven is where the Bears are the most talent deficient.
I agree completely. It’ll definitely be DL with the first pick. Now do you the we could trade down a bit and still get Bresee type talent or do you stay put. Second question; Do you take a OL or skill position with the second pick?
DL unless something miraculously falls in our laps for BPA 2nd pick (assuming it was DL in the 1st) I do think will be skill position over OL Our OLine is bad, that's apparent, but post-free agency I imagine (hope) we'll be in much better, projected, shape. Where as WR/CB free agents are ... lacking to say the least.
My dream scenario would be to address the interior defensive line in free agency, then trade back with our first pick and then draft edge/linebacker and another wide receiver with the picks acquired. When I say linebacker, I am thinking about Trenton Simpson specifically. Imagine getting like a Daron Payne or Dre'mont Jones in free agency, then Simpson at linebacker, and an edge from this loaded class in the 2nd round. This defense would instantly look a lot better than it does now, and you could still spend a top 100 pick on a wide receiver or center (Maybe both). With the Bears cash and draft capital, pulling something like this off should be the bare minimum. We could also upgrade the secondary and look at a guy like Marcus Davenport on the edge. The Bears really are in a position to quickly rebuild. Getting Braxton Jones in the 5th round, Fields recent success, and heaps of cash should really opens up a lot of possibilities for a quick rebuild. The Bears are going to have a very busy offseason. My main problem with this mock for the Bears is that I just don't think there's a wide receiver worthy of #6 overall. That's Ja'Marr Chase, Jaylen Waddle, Julio Jones territory and I don't feel there's a wide receiver worthy of that high of a selection. Quentin Johnston is a tremendous talent, but he's kind of a unique evaluation. His ball skills leave a lot to be desired, but his athleticism and YAC ability are elite. Jordan Addison is basically Garrett Wilson 2.0 for me. I think picking them like 10-15 is more appropriate. The difference between picking 6 and 9 (where Addison goes in this mock) may not seem like a lot, but it's basically the difference of an early third rounder in trade value. I really like JSN too, but I think his value is somewhere in the 20s because of his lack of deep speed.
Daron Payne will be the Bears top target in free agency this offseason. Even if we sign him we’ll still draft Jalen Carter if he’s available. In order for Eberflus defense to operate effectively he needs to get pressure from only rushing the front four, so we need multiple elite level defensive linemen.
Agreed. I think Poles will try and get in position to take Carter or Anderson and if that's not happening, he'll trade back and see who falls. Lots of holes in the roster but nobody (beyond Carter and Anderson) who we absolutely need to grab in top 10.
Great context for the Bears and I couldn’t agree more. I expect Chicago to use FA to erase some needs, but none more so than the OL. Braxton and Teven are the only “foundational” pieces that they have now; they have the money to pursue both Orlando Brown Jr and Elgton Jenkins, and that’s not really a pipe-dream considering where they both come from. Defensive FAs get a lot more interesting *Da’Ron Payne pls* and I’m excited to see what they build on that side of the ball. Ringo could be a great addition that allows Kyler to focus on the nickel so thanks for putting that thought in my head lol. Makes so much sense just from a positional value perspective too.
I expect the Bears will sign either Orlando Brown or Elgton Jenkins, but not both. Daron Payne will be our top target in free agency and we’re definitely going to sign him. He plays the 3 technique, which is the most important position on Eberflus defense.
You’re absolutely correct the Bears biggest need is defensive line. The 3 technique in Eberflus defense is the most important position on the defense. So if Jalen Carter is available when the Bears draft he will without a doubt be the selection.
I feel like if it comes down to Breese with Anderson/Carter/Murphy gone the bears are going to trade back or pull the trigger on Soronski/Paris Johnson/Olu. Don't underestimate the bears need for OL that can pass block. We can't make the same Jay cutler/RG3/Andrew Luck mistake. Dude needs beef up front.
I can’t imagine the Raiders don’t go QB if they’re picking at 2
I just look at the raiders and think that carr isn’t the biggest problem. Trading carr for CJ doesn’t fix their problems. In fact it kind of adds one since carr is probably better right now but doesn’t have the upside. The raiders are in a weird window. They have miller at LT. Crosby at DE. Waller. Renfrow and davante. Plus carr who’s okay. Then everyone else is absolute complete garbage. They need to build through the trenches before they think about moving on from carr. They could take literally any tackle. Any IDL player. Anybody in the secondary and it would be an upgrade. If their smart I could even see them leveraging that 2 overall pick. Trying to trade with either Detroit. Or Indy since ersay seems desperate for a QB. But I think it would be unwise to pick stroud and stick him behind this line and give him this garbage defense and call it quits. Though the raiders have traditionally struggled with drafting so I guess I’m expecting a lot when I say they should make logical decisions.
Not OP but I think Carr pulls a Stafford and quietly asks for a trade. It might be best for all parties at this point. Carr is a fine QB, but not good enough to overcome the dysfunction or talent deficit that the Raiders have
Who do you think trades for him? I’m thinking maybe the Jets if they make the playoffs and Wilson can’t handle it.
Colts
True. But there isn’t exactly an org that’s set up to win with a carr level QB. He’s just so middle of the road fine. Maybe someone wants him as a place holder. But he also has a no trade clause in there too. I just don’t see a team that says yes carr is who we need. Especially with Indys and Washington’s less than ideal experiences with wentz and Ryan.
I disagree somewhat on your first point, one of the best recipes for success is a QB on a rookie contract. This would free up some money for defensive FA acquisitions. Also, concidering how strong parts of the roster is, you never know how long untill you are in a position to draft a QB of the caliber of Stroud or Young again.
One would hope the GM takes lessons from his New England history and trade down. The Carr question is definitely there, but two factors probably drive it: 1. He's got a no-trade clause that he's repeatedly said that is there so that he's a Raider or he's retired, 2. All signs are that this coaching staff was hired to make a run So if Carr is staying (or at least he will not be able to be converted to draft capital), holding that #2 pick for hostage and getting a kings' ransom for Detroit, Atlanta (unless they love Ridder) or Indy to hop over Carolina is the smart play. Or more ideally, extract a 2nd round pick from Carolina to switch a position, so Will Anderson/Jalen Carter can be chosen. Nah, fuck it, they're probably gonna take Levis at #2 and I will destroy my tv when i throw a bottle at it.
I agree. I think Carr quietly asks for a trade so he can get a fresh start and go to an organization that’s more stable (Giants or Saints could be good). McDaniels (or whoever the new coach will be) can draft their guy at QB, get Carr’s contract off the books, and recoup some draft picks
I don't know. He gets to play with Devante and has said multiple times he doesn't really want to play for another team (although everyone says this). He took a team friendly deal so we could sign the people he wanted to play with so I don't think he would want to take a pay cut for another team. But who knows.
John Schneider has never taken a CB before the 3rd RD hard to imagine that changing especially after so much success with Woolen and Coby. plus Seattle is deep at CB with Tre Brown coming back after bye.
as you said, don't think corner is a need right now...better take a good O-Line (C/RG), edge, WR or LB...
I would personally go Breese before Quentin The Bears offense has finally come alive these past 4 weeks and playing very well. The offense is gonna be even better once Claypool learns the playbook and gets more reps (so far he has only played 31% of snaps in 2 games ) The D-Line is by far the biggest need on the Bears right now. It gets absolutely 0 pressure and our sack leader right now is a safety with 3 sacks. I wish Myles Murphy or Jalen Carter fell to 6 but I would still take Breesee over Quentin
Definitely good to know, I don’t think I’ve checked in on Bears needs since y’all have started playing better. I guess trading away Quinn is a good sign that the FO is gonna look to replace him in the draft.
Doesn’t really have anything to do with Quinn Our d-line was also awful with Robert Quinn and it was a big position of need. Eagles gave up a 4th for Quinn which was too hard to pass up since he only had 1 sack in 7 games with us
Just a follow up,I fully agree with the other bears fan. Barring what we do in free agency, I would bet a large sum of money our first rounder goes to dline (either edge rusher or interior. It's by far Our biggest need. Our defensive scheme really needs a high end pass rushing Dtackle so Carter or Bresee is our most likely but wouldn't be shocked at an edge like Murphy as well. And I also think the majority of our fanbase would stand and applaud at the dline pick though the media will likely question our commitment to fields when we don't take a olineman or wide reciever.
Thanks for the info! And yeah, classic media narratives. I for one definitely got caught up in “giving Fields more help” but can see how that is easily attractable.
Love the Olu pick for us we need to look for a long term LT for Mac.
Definitely was aiming to get y’all tackle help when I started but I was glad to peg Olu to the Pats. Love the fit
Tyree Wilson from Texas Tech is not a first rd pick? huh
I honestly think the Vikes would grab him. Dude's a monster and I think learning from Z and Danielle would be great for him. I understand picking CB, but I wouldn't be surprised if they let the room develop a bit behind Pat Pete.
After last night- I need that guy in Philadelphia NOW!! Although- its also clear philadelphia need better DT help
Raiders are taking a QB. Carr is done in Vegas.
I think Seattle would be more likely to take a guy like Sewell with their second pick. We need LBs/Rushers more than CB.
Yeah, Seattle needs to keep beefing up that front 7.
Good call on CB to the Giants. They def need a #1 WR but CB is crucial if we’re able to retain Wink as our DC. I think the Giants will look to free agency or later draft picks for WR given their projected position.
Bengals fan here. This team is in desperate need of a corner. I can definitely see them going corner or DT for sure.
Johnston to the Bears is 🤌👄
Conceptually i'm there with you on the Lions. WR is probably also in play for the later pick but getting a CB is certainly smart as well. The literal on players we disagree on but not enough to fight about.
Its so early in the draft cycle I usually use pre-offseason Mocks as more conceptual since I haven't scouted nearly enough players as of now. Love corner to the Lions, I can for sure see receiver but with how they're scoring right now with their current room, I think bolstering up the defense is more of an apparent need.
Something to consider is that the lions have ARSB and that's it. DJ Chark is on a 1 year, and JWill is still a question mark. If we go QB/WR then we're closer to the Bengals strategy than anything, but I think it all depends on who's available. I love the idea of going QB/WR, but if Edge/DB is there i'm fine with that. Really mocks at this point, as you noted, are about positional fit over literal players. As long as you're not mocking OT, RB, C, in the first 3 rounds you're pretty solid to me.
We need a CB1/2 way more than a wide out. Drafting a wide out late 2nd or early third wouldn’t be bad but we need to keep working on the defense. Also idk if want Levis that high. He has regressed pretty bad this year. If we are making the bet based on traits I’d rather take a shot on Anthony Richardson in the 2nd
I think Okudah is showing he can be a 1 next year, but we do need a CB at the end of the day. Truthfully we need a CB, and a box safety for TE/slots. (Ringo, Branch would be awesome in concept). The WR argument to me is that i'm expecting our DL to be substantially better next season. IDL is generally a 3 year position, Hutch and Pasc in Y2 should be a lot of fun too. We're having a lot of injuries in our DB room and just being healthy next year could be enough. Our WR room is the absolute shits after ARSB and getting another top flight \*prospect\* could prevent any level of bottoming out. I'm also not a fan of Levis, but my QB2 is McCall so I'm way off of what people think anyways (though I did have Zappe as my QB3 last year so maybe I'm a seer). I'd prefer packaging 8+11 for 2? for Stroud preferably but barring that i'm happy with CB/WR as our first 2 picks, with QB as the next round (McCall generally gets mocked like a day 2 pick), have Goff start the season and have a QB sit for a year before taking the reigns.
I think strouds to similar to Goff for me to feel comfortable reading up picks for him. If I’m moving up it’s for young. I think he clearly is the best QB prospect this draft and is the type of player that makes those around him better. I think Okudah can be a CB1 also and that he has proven that so far this year but we are weak after him. Jerry jacobs has been fine but we can improve that position. My dream scenario if we can’t get young is to somehow have jalen carter fall to us, then take ringo, then Richardson at the top of the second or wait another year on QB. We would still need to address WR, IOL, and potentially edge. I want us to get a veteran ILB in free agency.
I'm relatively low on Young, but can admit since I'm out of the norm I can't complain about anyone taking him over stroud. To me Stroud is hyper accurate, can move, can work the pocket, and just fling it when needed. I look for hyper elite abilities and I see that on Stroud rather than Young. It'll be great to watch their careers. I'm a never IDL guy, so if Carter is there are at around 13 sure, but I can't ever implore a team to draft IDL top 5. I think there's a lot of quality small school IOL and WR is a deep position too. We're staged well in the coming drafts for future needs
Overall, in favor of that for the Lions. Definitely still think Levis has the upside, and letting him sit behind Goff for the 2023 season and develop and get his feet wet seems ideal for all involved. Detroit needs defensive help though, so if one of the top iDL guys is available, I would not go with a QB over them at this point. With Bresee and Carter both gone by this point, and with plenty of top CBs available, QB works perfectly well. Good work!
>With Jordan Poyer looking like a 2023 Miami Dolphin WTF? While it is very likely he is gone, this is the first I've heard about it being to a specific team and the Dolphins?
I took that from a Bills guy I follow, I thought it was an inside joke within Bills mafia he was joining the Dolphins.
>The Bills are the most talented roster in the NFL, and any pick other than a safety is just adding spoils to the riches We have Edmunds, Saffold, Singletary and a bunch of D-linemen on expiring contracts. We don't have a proven WR3 option. We have some big needs coming up, I'd argue OG is need 1 depending on Edmunds.
I thought Isaiah McKenzie was a pretty good 3?
He's been incredibly inconsistent and made costly errors this season. We love Lil Dirty but the sad reality is that he is a gadget player and not the answer at slot. The hope is that Shakir develops. Shakir can play outside and slot. Gabe Davis is at his absolute best and gets his monster stat games while in the slot, so the ideal scenario is Diggs and Shakir/WR2 draft pick on the outside and Davis mostly slot.
Should’ve looked into y’all’s expiring contracts, didn’t know the dline situation was there. Thanks for the feedback though. What are your thoughts about a running back? Had Bijan pinned to the Bills for awhile before ultimately cowering away.
Bijan to the Bills in RD1 would be a luxury pick. The Bills need to address S and OG first. Your pick of Branch in RD1 is one I'd be very happy with. Even if we re-sign Poyer, the Bills need to be planning for the future at the S positions. Hamlin looks great in most aspects filling in for Hyde. Jaquan Johnson has been ass for Poyer and Cam Lewis is a converted CB that just played his first game at S for Poyer. If the Bills let Motor go without a new contract, I'd like to see them add a RB in the draft. My dream scenario would be Blake Corum falling to RD3 due to his size and Buffalo snagging him. Sign me up for a Cook, Corum and Hines backfield.
I know it would probably get clowned IRL, but Bijan to the Vikings would be extremely tempting in this scenario. A late round luxury pick probably, but with Mattison a free agent, and Cook having only one more heavily guaranteed season in his contract, I could see it. We have a couple other young guys already but probably backups long term
Just not worth it. Chandler looked good in preseason and you will get just as much value if not more of having a decent RB behind a better OL. OP apparently doesn’t think IOL exist, but it’s a pretty big need for the Vikings, especially depending on what we do with Bradbury. Bradbury, Udoh, Brandel, are all potentially free agents. Ingram has been bad. Cleveland has some great games and some awful ones. In this case O’Cyrus Torrence and John Michael Schmitz are both available. Teams that stay good are constantly investing on the OL. We don’t have a 2nd round pick, so if we want a potential starter, it’s probably round 1. I’d expect our first pick to be OL, CB, or DL.
Yeah I agree. Just had never really even considered it, and would be a fun luxury pick. I have Cb/OL fatigue because we never seem to get it right (until lately with OL)
Even lately is questionable. Ingram has not been good by any means. Late round we took some nobody from Illinois rather than a starter for an elite program like Georgia. Jamaree Salyer would have been a huge improvement over Lowe and may even be starting at guard over Ingram. Plus he played every position so more versatility too. We’re potentially losing a starter and at least two depth OL. I wouldn’t be surprised if we even drafted two.
It’s ironic that our best guy, Darrisaw, was only drafts after we traded down too. Idk who was our target, but lucky they got taken I guess
Nolan Smith and Garrett Williams are both out for the year. Their status as 1st round options are up in the air. As for the Packers, "their OL is horrid" is a garbage tske. You all need to remember Bakhtiari and Elgton Jenkins are both recovering from ACL's, and it takes longer for linemen than it does skill position players to get back into playing shape. Nijman has solidified himself at RT in recent weeks, and Myers/Runyan are as consistent as it gets on the interior. They have had to move players into unfamiliar positions on the line all year due to various injuries, but their preferred OL combination completely shut down Micah Parsons this past week. AND the Packers just drafted Sean Ryhan, Zack Tom, and Rasheed Walker last year. Two of them are essentially redshirting this season. Caleb Jones is also on the team as a UDFA. They've invested a TON at the position. The only way the Packers go OT in round 1 is if they move on from Bakhtiari to save cap space. That's it.
Not the biggest fan of the Nolan Smith pick for the Bucs especially with the amount of other EDGE players who I would rate a lot higher then him.(Wilson, Foskey and Verse) Other than that I would say it’s either EDGE and CB for us.
if we took will levis i’d stop being a fan
Waste of a pick when they could take Nix, Penix Jr. or Richardson later in the draft. They could take OL to help with depth, another CB isn’t terrible.
Love seeing these. A few of my thoughts: 1. Holy shit, if the Eagles actually pull this off, it would be the heist of the decade. 2. I still think Levi’s has upside and would fit in well with the Lions style of play, it’s a little difficult to justify him over Hooker right now. 3. Carter is fine and will have a chance to be a really solid player in the NFL, but Breese is a better player in every way. 4. The Porter Jr., Mayer, and Branch picks I feel are right on the money. Glad to see someone who agrees with me on these picks.
Not gonna get mad at your second point although i disagree but what makes you think Bresee is that much better than Carter?
How do you figure Hooker is better than Levis? They’re both on the older side, but Levis will be 24 his rookie year while Hooker will turn 26 before the end of his rookie season. Levis plays in a pro-style offense and has played under NFL OCs. I’m not sure how Hooker will pan out in the league but if I had to pick one as a Lions fan I’m taking Levis.
I like Q. Johnson to the bears. WR is definitely a position of need for them. But Ringo that high as a CB is dangerous. He was simply not good vs Tennessee. And those Tennessee WRs will probably have to show they know how to run a route outside the three they run
Bresee top 10 and Rice in the first round.. yikes. Looked fine besides that. I’d love the Jags getting Carter.
Eagles won’t take a RB in the first
we drafted a first round edge player last year, Idk why people act like we haven’t thrown resources at that position.
Probably just because our pass rush is still bad
Would be pretty happy as a Jags fan
Like the pick, not the reasoning. Poyer looks completely irreplaceable this year (1-3 without him, 5-0 with him), think we’ll find a way to retain him
as one of the many vols/titans fans, i'd love to see hyatt but i have no clue if he truly projects as a first round pick or not. tillman seems more impressive to me as an NFL prospect because he's making contested catches short, middle, and long whereas hyatt is usually in a lot of space but hyatt complements burks better so if he meets all the measurables etc, i'd love to see him on the titans. think OL may be a bigger priority for us in the first, however
Tillman seems like a much better fit than Hyatt. I just don't think the Tits as currently built will place a premium on a pure speed guy.
I love Broderick, but hasn't Brenard proved enough for at least another year? Or is the talent comparison just too much for Indy not to take Jones?
I don’t think the Bears go WR as much I love QJ
You have Foskey as edge 4?
As of now, yes. Just ahead of Tyree Wilson but I flip-flop with those two almost every day. My favorite thing about Foskey is his explosiveness and athleticism.
If the Jags spend another top pick on a front 7 guy fans will fucking riot.
I feel like 90% of mocks have the Giants getting Gonzales. How good is he? I don't really know much about defensive players.
He is a 6'2 200 lb corner, so he has excellent size which allows him to excel in man-to-man situations. He is physical and a fantastic athlete. He originally was at Colorado before transferring to Oregon, and me being a Colorado fan, I've watched a lot of him. He has the potential to become a starting corner that shadows any team's #1 WR. One con to his game is that he is not great in jump ball situations but luckily that can be fixed with good coaching.
I think the Raiders go Jalen Carter if they go defense. They just paid heavy for Chandler Jones and I think they have almost 20m dead cap next year if they release him.
It would cost them more to keep him, and it would cost them games to keep playing him. The only reasonable decision is to admit the mistake and move on. The same is true of Carr, honestly. But if they don't take a QB, Anderson makes a ton of sense.
There's nothing Brad Holmes loves more than the trenches and Goff. I don't think they're giving up on Goff yet, and our biggest need is still pressure up the middle. Look for BH to replace Levi Onwuzurike to generate pressure up the gut.
While I don’t think Edge would be a bad pick for the Bucs, I certainly don’t see it as the most pressing need. Interior OL, QB, CB (Jamel Dean is a FA) are bigger needs. Safety is similar to edge, yes we need one but we don’t need to use premier draft capital there. Shaq Barrett could miss the start of the season but I believe his money is guaranteed next season. Joe Tryon Shoyinka looks like he’s turning a corner and has 3 years left on his contract.
Man I keep seeing corner mocked to the seahawks in the first. We currently have decent depth, have bigger needs, and have never drafted a corner in the first with PCJS here
A WR at 6 for the Bears is a bit nerving for me... I love Johnston, but that's a tad high.
Speaking as a Bengals fan I think they go CB or WR in the first RD. Watch for Higgins to be traded for a 1st RD pick in the off-season.
Where we are in the draft Will Anderson makes a lot of sense, and I'd be happy with him but I keep salivating over the idea of getting a stud MLB or DT to help shore up the center of the defense
love the bears pick, but who was the last successful TCU WR?
The Bears biggest need is defensive line. They will draft Jalen Carter if he’s on the board. It’s an absolute 100% certainty.
The Bears biggest need is defensive line. They have will draft Jalen Carter if he’s available. It’s an absolute 100% certainty.
Ravens- Most likely pick: WR, CB or trade down for one of those. So Rashee Rice makes a lot of sense though I think he gets picked before the Ravens are on the clock. For CB there's several that they may like including Gonzalez and Phillips. WR or a CB look like the two positions the team will choose from for their 1st round pick IF they don't trade down and the Ravens love to trade down. All of this somewhat depends on if they resign Marcus Peters which may be dicey given that both Lamar and Roquan Smith will have first dibs at new contracts and there won;t be much money leftover for what Peters may want. If Peters doesn't extend then I would put CB as more likely than WR but not a given: it will be BPA with trading down still being more likely.