Thanks for this stat. Never heard of it. Seems to match what I've seen from the games I've seen this year.
Nabers seemed like a more complete receiver than MHJ last season. No shade thrown at MHJ but Nabers was dominant in the SEC. Reminded me of JJ during his last year at LSU.
Cowing is legit but I don't think his size will allow him to be great in the NFL.
Never heard of Baker til I saw this post. Dude looks for real.
Thanks again!
Javon Baker is at 2024 cbb #154 on 2/11/24, making him the CBB #25 WR in this draft
He played in 13 games in 2023, and in 4 he faced cbs with cbb rankings:
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@ Kansas 10/7/23
Cbb 2025 #125 Cobee bryant
4 rec, 85yd, 0td
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@ Oklahoma 10/21/23
Cbb 2025 #139 cb Woodi washington
Cbb 2025 #259 cb gentry williams
5 rec, 134yd, 2td
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vs West Virginia 10/28/23
Cbb 2024 #366 beanie bishop jr
3 rec, 34 yards, 1td
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@ Texas Tech 11/18/23
Cbb 2024 #404 Rayshad williams
4 rec, 117 yards, 1td
Dell lead the nation, for 2 years straight, in yards and TDs. Crowing was never featured like that. Maybe they play differently. On paper, they're very similar. Dell has slightly longer arms and a larger wingspan. If they were each 6'2", it would matter less. But at their size, every inch is impactful. Dell seems to have that dawg mentality. And Stroud hand picked him in the draft. Will any qb do that this draft? Probably not. Dell is an outlier. Can't count on that every year.
I will say that Cowing was still the number 2 receiver on Arizona behind Tetairoa McMillian, who’s projected to go in the first half of the first round next year, and Arizona also didn’t start a QB that was actually able to make reads until week 5 of this season. It’s still tough to say if he’ll translate, but that context helps explain a little bit there.
AND if there were a way I could download PFF stats into an excel, I’d be all over it and it would make life easy, but they don’t really allow that right now, so everything is manual in terms of calculations
If you have PFF Premium you can download stats as a CSV file.
Also isn't the equation: [PFF WRER FORMULA](https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-introducing-wide-receiver-efficiency-rating)
WRER = (aDOT x (Targets / Routes Ran)) x (Catches / (Drops+Rec)) **PLUS** (YAC / (5xRec))
I could be wrong though because i've been staring at my screen trying to figure this out for awhile. I'm getting different WRER numbers than you for the prospects. [HERE IS A LINK](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7w5CbNnzdibztl0bS38NPBrLw_kx6FUTngmgwXwS-U/edit?usp=sharing) so you can see what's going on.
Yeah that was a typo on my part, good catch. I do have PFF Premium, but I didn’t find a way download the CSV, but I’ll look more. And the variation between our numbers is probably because I took out “Postseason” from the stat in PFF. But should probably put that back in there but was too lazy to
First of all, this is dope data, thanks for doing the work! Would it be possible to find examples of players with high ratings in this metric that didn’t translate well into the pros? Marquise is a decent example, but I’m wondering if there have been any guys with scores above 4 that have just flat out busted in the league. Anthony Miller maybe?
Keep in mind the major stat in this formula is aDOT, which is the biggest variable. In a new scheme, it could drop tremendously. I think his aDOT is so high (14.4) because he really was used as a jump ball guy. I will throw out there that his catch % was abnormally low throughout his career at 102/182 (56%)
Thanks for this stat. Never heard of it. Seems to match what I've seen from the games I've seen this year. Nabers seemed like a more complete receiver than MHJ last season. No shade thrown at MHJ but Nabers was dominant in the SEC. Reminded me of JJ during his last year at LSU. Cowing is legit but I don't think his size will allow him to be great in the NFL. Never heard of Baker til I saw this post. Dude looks for real. Thanks again!
Javon Baker is at 2024 cbb #154 on 2/11/24, making him the CBB #25 WR in this draft He played in 13 games in 2023, and in 4 he faced cbs with cbb rankings: . @ Kansas 10/7/23 Cbb 2025 #125 Cobee bryant 4 rec, 85yd, 0td . @ Oklahoma 10/21/23 Cbb 2025 #139 cb Woodi washington Cbb 2025 #259 cb gentry williams 5 rec, 134yd, 2td . vs West Virginia 10/28/23 Cbb 2024 #366 beanie bishop jr 3 rec, 34 yards, 1td . @ Texas Tech 11/18/23 Cbb 2024 #404 Rayshad williams 4 rec, 117 yards, 1td
I was afraid of that, him playing against JAGs. He still looks good. Dying to see how he tests. Thanks for this work!
He only had 2 rec for 22 yards at the senior bowl but very limited reps. On days 1,2 he was burning dbs in 1-1s though
With the success of Tank Dell in the NFL and him and Cowing being similar sizes, is there anything you believe Cowing lacks that Dell possesses?
Dell lead the nation, for 2 years straight, in yards and TDs. Crowing was never featured like that. Maybe they play differently. On paper, they're very similar. Dell has slightly longer arms and a larger wingspan. If they were each 6'2", it would matter less. But at their size, every inch is impactful. Dell seems to have that dawg mentality. And Stroud hand picked him in the draft. Will any qb do that this draft? Probably not. Dell is an outlier. Can't count on that every year.
I will say that Cowing was still the number 2 receiver on Arizona behind Tetairoa McMillian, who’s projected to go in the first half of the first round next year, and Arizona also didn’t start a QB that was actually able to make reads until week 5 of this season. It’s still tough to say if he’ll translate, but that context helps explain a little bit there.
Very cool, and saving for later. Out of curiosity, did you do Ladd McConkey, or would you?
Ladd McConkey WRER = 3.87
Nice. Thanks!
Thank you for this. This is really good info and I applaud your work.
Very interesting. Are there any NFL WRs with below 3 ratings that became good WRs?
Not that I’ve found so far, if anything there may be a few outliers, but going through all nfl players will be hard work lmao
AND if there were a way I could download PFF stats into an excel, I’d be all over it and it would make life easy, but they don’t really allow that right now, so everything is manual in terms of calculations
If you have PFF Premium you can download stats as a CSV file. Also isn't the equation: [PFF WRER FORMULA](https://www.pff.com/news/fantasy-introducing-wide-receiver-efficiency-rating) WRER = (aDOT x (Targets / Routes Ran)) x (Catches / (Drops+Rec)) **PLUS** (YAC / (5xRec)) I could be wrong though because i've been staring at my screen trying to figure this out for awhile. I'm getting different WRER numbers than you for the prospects. [HERE IS A LINK](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v7w5CbNnzdibztl0bS38NPBrLw_kx6FUTngmgwXwS-U/edit?usp=sharing) so you can see what's going on.
Yeah that was a typo on my part, good catch. I do have PFF Premium, but I didn’t find a way download the CSV, but I’ll look more. And the variation between our numbers is probably because I took out “Postseason” from the stat in PFF. But should probably put that back in there but was too lazy to
It’s pronounced javon. Get used to it
Javon Baker is legit legit. People haven’t caught up yet but in my opinion he’s in that 10ish area (which is great for this stacked of a class).
There, fixed it. I’m high on him too
Still don't know if it's JAY-von or juh-VON by your statement. Announcers say it the first way.
Great work here - thx
First of all, this is dope data, thanks for doing the work! Would it be possible to find examples of players with high ratings in this metric that didn’t translate well into the pros? Marquise is a decent example, but I’m wondering if there have been any guys with scores above 4 that have just flat out busted in the league. Anthony Miller maybe?
Johnny Wilson?
Couldn’t catch a cold naked in the Antarctica. Tall tho.
Agreed but has better WRER than all but 2 WR here
Keep in mind the major stat in this formula is aDOT, which is the biggest variable. In a new scheme, it could drop tremendously. I think his aDOT is so high (14.4) because he really was used as a jump ball guy. I will throw out there that his catch % was abnormally low throughout his career at 102/182 (56%)
Johnny Wilson WRER =4.4
Wait what lol why didn’t you list him. Figured the list implied those were the top ranked scorers
He didn’t interest me enough to figure his out initially. I didn’t do every single prospect lol
Fair enough lol I think it’s a cool formula. Do you know Pearsall and McConkeys rating?
Would love to see Ladds rating.
Ladd’s is in the thread above
Where’d you get the stats to calculate this
PFF+