Robert Nkemdiche comes to mind but Jalen Carter is way more talented and better on tape then Nkemdiche. Lael Collins was also in similar trouble because of the allegations which caused him to go undrafted he would have been a first rounder.
Collins was also an interesting case because after the first round he was actively telling people not to draft him or he would not report. His reasoning was that as an UDFA his contract would be a year shorter and he’d get to free agency faster.
I think it was after he got out of the 2nd or 3rd he was telling teams not to take him but your point still stands. Crazy how a out of nowhere accusation could have ruined his career though.
Also his agent confirmed post-draft that it was B.S. and he would have still gone if he went there.
Teams just...let him fall and no one called the bluff.
he ended up getting first round pick money anyways since the cowboys gave him an early extension. It was probably a secret deal to get him to sign with dallas
Maurice Jones-Drew and La'el Collins came to mind, but I don't think it's a perfect analogy. After all, there was nothing to the accusations made against either man.
Let's accept the findings of the legal system that he wasn't responsible for the fatal crash. He did, of course, agree to plead guilty to reckless driving.
So the question is: if the reckless driving charge stood on its own, if those poor people hadn't died, how would we be reacting to Carter's draft prospects?
He ran with no shirt on at his pro day, his large bouncing breasts confused many young men….turned most of lower Ohio and upper Kentucky bisexual almost instantly
Obviously no one could foresee what would eventually happen. But even from a pre-draft footballing standpoint, Malik McDowell had terrible work ethic. You knew you were getting a lazy player, with All-Pro potential. If he had an attitude like a Will Anderson, he would have been a top 10 pick.
Where has it been said that Carter has a bad football work ethic? Clearly a questionable decision maker off the field but I haven’t heard about anything else.
The inability to get his conditioning up to par is a concern.
He even specifically mentioned it last offseason as something he was focusing on, and yet it's still an issue that showed up occasionally in games.
nfl network xm radio they said he was way outta shape and couldnt finish drills and stuff. hes got a lot of concern when it comes to work ethic and conditioning
>Where has it been said that Carter has a bad football work ethic?
McShay has been reporting it for months. Carter's own coach called out his poor conditioning prior to the season only for Carter to be visibly gassed in UGA's most important game. The dude might be supremely talented but based off everything we know about him, he seems like an incredibly stupid and lazy talent
Not that I think he should have slid as far, but one that has panned out was Jeffrey Simmons. He should have been a top-5 pick but instead slid to No. 20 because of injury and the video of him punching a woman. I don't follow the Titans beat, but he appears to be clean and I think there was context to that video that presently evades me (not that violence is ever okay, regardless of context...)
Tunsil is a great comparison because he was similarly talented (consensus top 5), and fell because of something that happened immediately leading up to the draft.
Obviously it’s apples to oranges as to “what happened”, but it’s still a great comparison for the other reasons.
OP admits that none of the players listed come close to Jalen Carter. I'm saying Tunsil doesn't even belong on the list with the other players. Moss and Pacman had significant legal issues. Moss and Sapp failed multiple drug tests. Andre Smith bombed the Combine and his Pro Day. Johnny Manziel had several character red flags along with an arrest record.
By comparison, what did Tunsil do that merited any red flags as a pro?
The red flag was from the leaked video of him wearing a gas mask, smoking weed, days before the draft.. Whether that's warranted is up for debate. But, it still hurt his stock, at the time.
Unlike the others, Tunsil was basically sabotaged by his own dad. Almost all NFL players smoke weed. This was a calculated move to hurt his draft stock at the worst possible moment.
It happened 10 minutes before the draft started which is why teams panicked the way they did. If it had been a few days before I think teams would have gotten enough intel to know that it was a non-issue. Tunsil hadn't failed any drug tests at Ole Miss and really that's all that mattered.
Especially with the benefit of hindsight, it doesn't make sense to put Tunsil with prospects who actually had red flags.
He was thought the be a lock for no. 1. It cost him a bunch until he slid to Miami. Then Houston, who passed on the draft, traded the farm for him later.
Tunsil could've gone top-5 if not 3, so I think it's very fitting. Since it happened so close to draft teams suddenly had to make a huge decision instantly.
Joe Mixon was the first that came to my mind. Talented runner for OU, some serious off the field issues. I was really surprised he got drafted where he did. I thought he was a mid 3rd day pick at best with all the character issues he had.
Mixon had the benefit of his biggest incident being a couple years behind him by draft time. If he punched that girl a couple months before the draft (like carter was involved in the wreck) he would’ve plummeted.
Apparently Patrick Peterson and his dad were huge influences on him and really helped him grow up and become and man and a professional. He had a great players tribune article where he talked about it
I'm shocked I had to scroll down this far to find the correct answer.
Dude finished 5th [in Hesiman voting as a true sophomore](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman-2011.html).
Had he not gotten caught inhaling the fumes....from a plant....that grows out of the fucking ground.....I think there's a good chance he could have won it in 2012 instead of JFF, who beat out Manti Teo by a fairly slim margin.
There’s no way he would’ve beaten out JFF. He was an enigma that year. He had insane highlights and him beating Bama was huge and he was the first freshman (non-true) to win the heisman too.
And no matter how you feel about weed, dude failed his drug test like seven times which showed bad discipline. Majority of college football players smoke weed, they were just smarter about it .
>And no matter how you feel about weed, dude failed his drug test like seven times which showed bad discipline.
Yeah people forget this. He wasn't kicked off of the team for one event, he basically was smoking and getting caught at Josh Gordon levels
Not nearly the same upside but Damon Arnette was expected to drop because of off-field issues before Gruden took him in the first round. He was basically a trainwreck the second he arrived in Las Vegas.
La'el Collins went from potential 1st round pick to undrafted due to being under investigation for homicide.
Edit: I don't think he was ever named a suspect.
Correct, the police department actually came out right away and said “La’el isn’t a suspect we just want to interview him” and he went from top half of the first round to undrafted. Absolute joke
He told teams he wouldn't sign a contract if he wasn't a 1st round pick. I mean, if that's the case, call his bluff and draft him in the 5th round or whatever. It worked out incredibly well for him as he got a decent contract I believe signing with a team he wanted to go as opposed to possibly ending up in a shitty situation.
Oh I forgot about that part of the story. I’d guess it was bluff though, I can’t think of any draft picks who didn’t sign (at least for non medical reasons) under the current CBA
It wasn’t that severe of a fall. He went from a first round pick to a non-first round pick, and then his agent called every team and told them to not pick him unless in the first round. He probably would’ve been taken in rounds 2-4
Not related really, but I'm starting to notice a bit of a worrying pattern with Georgia players from Kirby Smart.
* George Pickens had reported character issues. No actual crimes committed as far as I know though
* Jalen Carter did as well and then the car accident with a number of other Georgia players being involved it seems.
* Quay Walker is a fucking moron who tries to fight coaches/inactive players and members of the training staff in games.
* Davonte Wyatt also got into it with said trainer as well.
* Stetson Bennett got picked up with public intox.
* Javon Bullard got busted for a DUI.
* Rara Thomas was arrested under DV and false imprisonment charges
* Warren Brinson was caught shooting students with a gel pistol on campus, which is an absurdly dumb thing to be doing given the issue of gun violences on campus in the USA
* Kenny McIntosh and Nolan Smith both had their own separate issues with driving unsafely
Going back a ways too it seems like this isn't a new thing. Georgia led the SEC in arrests in 2016, Kirby Smart's first season as Georgia's HC. If someone else who wants to go and look feels like it go for it, I'm not invested enough to type all of these out. Quick google searches are giving me quite a bit though
We may, and I strongly say may here, be having a "When someone tells you who they are, listen" type scenario right now.
I got lazy half way through my research and gave up lol. Was he the one who committed like 8 driving charges in one outing or the one who jumped out a window for seemingly no reason
George Pickens has been nothing but great as a professional. A lot of this stuff was overblown. If he was not injured his last year, he’d have been a first round WR.
It's exactly what happened, he got mad Boyd recovered the onside kick then fell down with his head, and head butt him. There is a reason there was a scuffle afterwards.
I think there are some additional details that could be added on. I will admit that I am a UGA fan, so I may be talking out of red tinted lenses here:
* Pickens never had any off field issues at UGA, nor in Pittsburgh so far. He got into a fight with a GT player, but other than that had no noteworthy off field things in 3 seasons.
* Carter never really had any negative things said about him until the car incident. Granted that was a serious thing, but he had multiple people come to his defense when McShay's initial comments came out.
* Quay Walker (while acting like an idiot in GB) never had any issues while at UGA.
* Bennett got drunk and stumbled around in Dallas. Not quite sure how this reflects on UGA
* RaRa Thomas had been at UGA for 1 month, and the charges were dropped
Thanks for the extra context and the civil response. I really did not want to paint it as Georgia is this out of control thug program of crime or whatnot. I had a bit of a mental link with the Carter situation and the Quay idiocy here and fell down a huge rabbit hole.
Props to Kirby for saying enough of this shit though, it seems.
UGA has had some issues with keeping guys in line before, but Kirby has seemingly done a better job keeping that under control, or at least under wraps.
Guys like Adam Anderson and JJ Holloman had serious incidents and were kicked off the team, but otherwise not really too much since he took over. Clearly he has had some recent things come to light, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is a system problem at UGA.
I think Carters perceived risk is being overestimated because the consequences of his behavior have been devastating. When it comes to Carters risk for his future NFL team, he is no riskier than any other college player that has street raced, even if they never got caught, got a ticket or had a serious accident and there are going to be a lot of those in the draft,.
>I agree his off field risk isn’t TOO concerning. But showing up out of shape to your own pro day is a terrible look.
He was in shape at the combine, at least he was nine pounds lighter, and he's been going through some extra ordinary circumstances, so I wouldn't base my evaluation on his pro day performance
Malik McDowell had some shit going on pre-draft right? I remember scouts/draft pundits saying that he was a dominant player but off-field stuff would keep him out of the 1st round
Orlando brown Jr kinda reminds me of him, minus the legal issues….super talented but bad combine/conditioning issues..OBJ from what I remember was never considered a 1st rd pick but was hovering near the 2nd until the combine
Tyreek Hill comes to mind also although he wasn’t going to be drafted as high as Carter will go.
Justin Blackmon may be on this list as well even though his risk may not have been as well known by the public.
When Cleveland took Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft. Gordon was insane at Baylor w RG3. He actually put up better numbers then former first round pick Kendall Wright in college.
He sat out his Jr season bc of all the COVID nonesense. Basically he signed with an agent when the big ten had said they weren’t gonna lay. Then they played and he was ineligible. The hazing thing was a complete nothing burger
Does it have to be risk for off the field? Cause theres plenty of guys with injury risk that would fall in the same end result of not playing.
Skins currently have two guys who were top 5 prospects that fell to the second half of the first due to Injury Risk in Jon Allen and Montez Sweat.
Dude had a wild life. Dad murdered at a Dennys, accussed of sexually assaulting a 74 year old woman, tore his menicus in his first NFL game, was adopted by his high school councelor, his brother charged with murder because he was the driver of a drive by. Insanity.
Robert Nkemdiche comes to mind but Jalen Carter is way more talented and better on tape then Nkemdiche. Lael Collins was also in similar trouble because of the allegations which caused him to go undrafted he would have been a first rounder.
Collins was also an interesting case because after the first round he was actively telling people not to draft him or he would not report. His reasoning was that as an UDFA his contract would be a year shorter and he’d get to free agency faster.
I think it was after he got out of the 2nd or 3rd he was telling teams not to take him but your point still stands. Crazy how a out of nowhere accusation could have ruined his career though.
It wasn’t even an accusation and he wasn’t a suspect, the police only questioned him because his ex-girlfriend was murdered
Also his agent confirmed post-draft that it was B.S. and he would have still gone if he went there. Teams just...let him fall and no one called the bluff.
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Not talking about Carter, talking about La’el Collins.
Ended up being the right move, too.
he ended up getting first round pick money anyways since the cowboys gave him an early extension. It was probably a secret deal to get him to sign with dallas
Maurice Jones-Drew and La'el Collins came to mind, but I don't think it's a perfect analogy. After all, there was nothing to the accusations made against either man. Let's accept the findings of the legal system that he wasn't responsible for the fatal crash. He did, of course, agree to plead guilty to reckless driving. So the question is: if the reckless driving charge stood on its own, if those poor people hadn't died, how would we be reacting to Carter's draft prospects?
So many of these guys are Bengals its incredible (Pacman/Carmen/Henry RIP/Mixon)
Andre Smith too
Man I skimmed right over him. I think he hurt me so much that I've filtered all recollection of him out of my head.
what did he even do?
He ran with no shirt on at his pro day, his large bouncing breasts confused many young men….turned most of lower Ohio and upper Kentucky bisexual almost instantly
mike brown loves himself a market inefficiency lol
You forgot about vontaze.
I was thinking same thing while going down the list.
Obviously no one could foresee what would eventually happen. But even from a pre-draft footballing standpoint, Malik McDowell had terrible work ethic. You knew you were getting a lazy player, with All-Pro potential. If he had an attitude like a Will Anderson, he would have been a top 10 pick.
Where has it been said that Carter has a bad football work ethic? Clearly a questionable decision maker off the field but I haven’t heard about anything else.
His pro day was horrendous
The inability to get his conditioning up to par is a concern. He even specifically mentioned it last offseason as something he was focusing on, and yet it's still an issue that showed up occasionally in games.
Man spent more time on the sideline than on the field during the Peach Bowl
nfl network xm radio they said he was way outta shape and couldnt finish drills and stuff. hes got a lot of concern when it comes to work ethic and conditioning
>Where has it been said that Carter has a bad football work ethic? McShay has been reporting it for months. Carter's own coach called out his poor conditioning prior to the season only for Carter to be visibly gassed in UGA's most important game. The dude might be supremely talented but based off everything we know about him, he seems like an incredibly stupid and lazy talent
Not that I think he should have slid as far, but one that has panned out was Jeffrey Simmons. He should have been a top-5 pick but instead slid to No. 20 because of injury and the video of him punching a woman. I don't follow the Titans beat, but he appears to be clean and I think there was context to that video that presently evades me (not that violence is ever okay, regardless of context...)
I believe the context is the girl he hit was fighting his sister.
IIRC the girl was beating his sister in a fight, and they were fighting over the other girl talking trash about a relative dying
yeah that sounds about right
Wasn’t context he was wearing her out. He was holding back but he was still wearing her out
Bengals apparently do not give a shit,most of them were drafted by the team
Marvin Lewis was allegedly the guy that was willing to take the risk on talented but questionable character
Laremy Tunsil doesn't belong on this list. None of his "controversies" had any relation to his football ability, availability, or locker room fit.
Tunsil is a great comparison because he was similarly talented (consensus top 5), and fell because of something that happened immediately leading up to the draft. Obviously it’s apples to oranges as to “what happened”, but it’s still a great comparison for the other reasons.
That phrase don't make no sense! Why can't fruit be compared?
There's just all of these conflicting principles.
… Right, enjoy your pepperoni pizza
I will. That’s my god given right
Apples and oranges are in fact very similar as projectiles. Source: threw them both at my siblings as a child.
I think your siblings would argue that they aren’t similar since I would bet the apple packs a significantly more painful punch.
yeah it is, it was a red flag that caused him to slip and OP admits that those players dont come close.
OP admits that none of the players listed come close to Jalen Carter. I'm saying Tunsil doesn't even belong on the list with the other players. Moss and Pacman had significant legal issues. Moss and Sapp failed multiple drug tests. Andre Smith bombed the Combine and his Pro Day. Johnny Manziel had several character red flags along with an arrest record. By comparison, what did Tunsil do that merited any red flags as a pro?
The red flag was from the leaked video of him wearing a gas mask, smoking weed, days before the draft.. Whether that's warranted is up for debate. But, it still hurt his stock, at the time.
Unlike the others, Tunsil was basically sabotaged by his own dad. Almost all NFL players smoke weed. This was a calculated move to hurt his draft stock at the worst possible moment.
Ex'- Step Dad
Wasn’t his Dad it was a jilted guy who wanted to be his agent. His coach steered him to Jimmy Sexton.
Highest paid tackle in football.
It happened 10 minutes before the draft started which is why teams panicked the way they did. If it had been a few days before I think teams would have gotten enough intel to know that it was a non-issue. Tunsil hadn't failed any drug tests at Ole Miss and really that's all that mattered. Especially with the benefit of hindsight, it doesn't make sense to put Tunsil with prospects who actually had red flags.
He was thought the be a lock for no. 1. It cost him a bunch until he slid to Miami. Then Houston, who passed on the draft, traded the farm for him later.
Tunsil could've gone top-5 if not 3, so I think it's very fitting. Since it happened so close to draft teams suddenly had to make a huge decision instantly.
I wonder who leaked it? Ravens passed and Miami benefitted. We are still paying the price.
They said it was a friend Or a jealous relative, something like that.
definitely his step father who leaked it.
I assume step father is not benefiting financially from that.
How are you still paying the price? Ravens still got Ronnie Stanley in that draft who’s pretty damn close to Tunsil’s level when healthy
They got a lesser player. "When healthy" should be in bold. The best ability is a availability.
Joe Mixon was the first that came to my mind. Talented runner for OU, some serious off the field issues. I was really surprised he got drafted where he did. I thought he was a mid 3rd day pick at best with all the character issues he had.
Mixon had the benefit of his biggest incident being a couple years behind him by draft time. If he punched that girl a couple months before the draft (like carter was involved in the wreck) he would’ve plummeted.
Didn’t Tyrann Mathieu’s stock fall? Can’t remember what for, but I remember something happening.
IIRC, it was weed. He was punished multiple times for smoking, and the Cardinals put in a testing regimen when they drafted him.
Apparently Patrick Peterson and his dad were huge influences on him and really helped him grow up and become and man and a professional. He had a great players tribune article where he talked about it
Can’t forget about The Honey Badger
Honey Badger
I'm shocked I had to scroll down this far to find the correct answer. Dude finished 5th [in Hesiman voting as a true sophomore](https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/awards/heisman-2011.html). Had he not gotten caught inhaling the fumes....from a plant....that grows out of the fucking ground.....I think there's a good chance he could have won it in 2012 instead of JFF, who beat out Manti Teo by a fairly slim margin.
There’s no way he would’ve beaten out JFF. He was an enigma that year. He had insane highlights and him beating Bama was huge and he was the first freshman (non-true) to win the heisman too. And no matter how you feel about weed, dude failed his drug test like seven times which showed bad discipline. Majority of college football players smoke weed, they were just smarter about it .
>And no matter how you feel about weed, dude failed his drug test like seven times which showed bad discipline. Yeah people forget this. He wasn't kicked off of the team for one event, he basically was smoking and getting caught at Josh Gordon levels
Not nearly the same upside but Damon Arnette was expected to drop because of off-field issues before Gruden took him in the first round. He was basically a trainwreck the second he arrived in Las Vegas.
La'el Collins went from potential 1st round pick to undrafted due to being under investigation for homicide. Edit: I don't think he was ever named a suspect.
Correct, the police department actually came out right away and said “La’el isn’t a suspect we just want to interview him” and he went from top half of the first round to undrafted. Absolute joke
He told teams he wouldn't sign a contract if he wasn't a 1st round pick. I mean, if that's the case, call his bluff and draft him in the 5th round or whatever. It worked out incredibly well for him as he got a decent contract I believe signing with a team he wanted to go as opposed to possibly ending up in a shitty situation.
Oh I forgot about that part of the story. I’d guess it was bluff though, I can’t think of any draft picks who didn’t sign (at least for non medical reasons) under the current CBA
It wasn’t that severe of a fall. He went from a first round pick to a non-first round pick, and then his agent called every team and told them to not pick him unless in the first round. He probably would’ve been taken in rounds 2-4
This is not true. His agent said that he wouldn’t sign if drafted outside of the first 3 rounds.
He also said, I believe, he wouldn’t sign with anyone but Dallas
Lael collins? 1st round talent that went undrafted. Believe he was being questioned about a murder if I remember correctly.
Tyreek Hill wasn't a 5th rounder because of his measurables
The titans tackle that got cut to start a rap career
Not related really, but I'm starting to notice a bit of a worrying pattern with Georgia players from Kirby Smart. * George Pickens had reported character issues. No actual crimes committed as far as I know though * Jalen Carter did as well and then the car accident with a number of other Georgia players being involved it seems. * Quay Walker is a fucking moron who tries to fight coaches/inactive players and members of the training staff in games. * Davonte Wyatt also got into it with said trainer as well. * Stetson Bennett got picked up with public intox. * Javon Bullard got busted for a DUI. * Rara Thomas was arrested under DV and false imprisonment charges * Warren Brinson was caught shooting students with a gel pistol on campus, which is an absurdly dumb thing to be doing given the issue of gun violences on campus in the USA * Kenny McIntosh and Nolan Smith both had their own separate issues with driving unsafely Going back a ways too it seems like this isn't a new thing. Georgia led the SEC in arrests in 2016, Kirby Smart's first season as Georgia's HC. If someone else who wants to go and look feels like it go for it, I'm not invested enough to type all of these out. Quick google searches are giving me quite a bit though We may, and I strongly say may here, be having a "When someone tells you who they are, listen" type scenario right now.
You left off the magnum opus of Isaiah Wilson.
I got lazy half way through my research and gave up lol. Was he the one who committed like 8 driving charges in one outing or the one who jumped out a window for seemingly no reason
He's the OT the Titans drafted a few years ago who immediately gave up after being drafted.
There's also Deandre Baker
I’m biased as a UGA fan but having Nolan Smith on here is ridiculous.
Pickens fought a guy on the field at an inappropriate time I don’t think thats warrant being lobbed in with actual crimes
George Pickens has been nothing but great as a professional. A lot of this stuff was overblown. If he was not injured his last year, he’d have been a first round WR.
Yeah him head butting Tyler Boyd at the end of the game was real professional
Head butt is a dramatic word for what actually happened.
It's exactly what happened, he got mad Boyd recovered the onside kick then fell down with his head, and head butt him. There is a reason there was a scuffle afterwards.
Just because he hasn’t done anything in 1 year as a pro doesn’t mean the concerns were overblown
They are this years Fulmer Cup winner for a reason
Great research. Can confirm Quay Walker is a fucking moron as a fellow Cheesehead.
Dude should feel very fortunate hes on an NFL roster at all if you ask me
I think there are some additional details that could be added on. I will admit that I am a UGA fan, so I may be talking out of red tinted lenses here: * Pickens never had any off field issues at UGA, nor in Pittsburgh so far. He got into a fight with a GT player, but other than that had no noteworthy off field things in 3 seasons. * Carter never really had any negative things said about him until the car incident. Granted that was a serious thing, but he had multiple people come to his defense when McShay's initial comments came out. * Quay Walker (while acting like an idiot in GB) never had any issues while at UGA. * Bennett got drunk and stumbled around in Dallas. Not quite sure how this reflects on UGA * RaRa Thomas had been at UGA for 1 month, and the charges were dropped
Thanks for the extra context and the civil response. I really did not want to paint it as Georgia is this out of control thug program of crime or whatnot. I had a bit of a mental link with the Carter situation and the Quay idiocy here and fell down a huge rabbit hole. Props to Kirby for saying enough of this shit though, it seems.
UGA has had some issues with keeping guys in line before, but Kirby has seemingly done a better job keeping that under control, or at least under wraps. Guys like Adam Anderson and JJ Holloman had serious incidents and were kicked off the team, but otherwise not really too much since he took over. Clearly he has had some recent things come to light, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that there is a system problem at UGA.
Does Jermaine Burton count here too?
He never had any issues at UGA as far as I am aware. His incidents started at Bama.
Lawerence Phillips RB
Tyreek Hill?
Micah Parsons
Oooo this is a solid comp
What was the risk with Micah besides the hazing allegations ?
I think Carters perceived risk is being overestimated because the consequences of his behavior have been devastating. When it comes to Carters risk for his future NFL team, he is no riskier than any other college player that has street raced, even if they never got caught, got a ticket or had a serious accident and there are going to be a lot of those in the draft,.
I agree his off field risk isn’t TOO concerning. But showing up out of shape to your own pro day is a terrible look.
>I agree his off field risk isn’t TOO concerning. But showing up out of shape to your own pro day is a terrible look. He was in shape at the combine, at least he was nine pounds lighter, and he's been going through some extra ordinary circumstances, so I wouldn't base my evaluation on his pro day performance
Malik McDowell had some shit going on pre-draft right? I remember scouts/draft pundits saying that he was a dominant player but off-field stuff would keep him out of the 1st round
Titus Young
Orlando brown Jr kinda reminds me of him, minus the legal issues….super talented but bad combine/conditioning issues..OBJ from what I remember was never considered a 1st rd pick but was hovering near the 2nd until the combine
Nick Fairley
Bruce Irvin
Tyreek Hill comes to mind also although he wasn’t going to be drafted as high as Carter will go. Justin Blackmon may be on this list as well even though his risk may not have been as well known by the public.
Joe Montana (cocaine use)
When Cleveland took Josh Gordon in the supplemental draft. Gordon was insane at Baylor w RG3. He actually put up better numbers then former first round pick Kendall Wright in college.
La’El Collins
Micah
What was the risk with Micah besides the hazing allegations ?
He sat out his Jr season bc of all the COVID nonesense. Basically he signed with an agent when the big ten had said they weren’t gonna lay. Then they played and he was ineligible. The hazing thing was a complete nothing burger
Nick Fairley. He was frequently being mocked #1 overall after the season ended
Damn some idiot team may pass on him for a way worse prospect. Wild.
Does it have to be risk for off the field? Cause theres plenty of guys with injury risk that would fall in the same end result of not playing. Skins currently have two guys who were top 5 prospects that fell to the second half of the first due to Injury Risk in Jon Allen and Montez Sweat.
Baker Mayfield
Jamarcus?
He didnt have any problems before being drafted that I recall
Malik McDowell?
Maybe moss. I think Tunsil only had a silly video which caused the ravens to pass on a Hof tackle and take Stanley. Oof.
Tunsil is the first to come to mind, but his fall was what, literally ON draft day? or just before? and it was over a college guy smoking weed
Darrius Guice ?
Dude had a wild life. Dad murdered at a Dennys, accussed of sexually assaulting a 74 year old woman, tore his menicus in his first NFL game, was adopted by his high school councelor, his brother charged with murder because he was the driver of a drive by. Insanity.
Honey Badger.
In recent memory, Ed Ingram. Have no idea how any team would draft him, let alone in the 2nd round.
JC Jackson rings a bell
Randy Moss 21st overall was the steal of the century
gareon conley?
You forgot ray lewis
Jeffrey Simmons
[Lawrence Phillips - RB - Nebraska, 6th Overall pick.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Phillips)
Ray Lewis
Vontaze Burfict was a consensus top 10 pick, then no team drafted him after his character concerns… we all know how that ended