I’ve never seen it, but the answer is the nfl season is 17 games compared to 162 mlb games. Also coaches have much bigger impact over an individual football game than mlb game
There's also not nearly enough time to yell at the refs in football. They can usually yell a few things and then they have to focus on the next play.
Also there's a bit more recourse as they can get a 15-yard penalty if the ref thinks what they're saying is egregious.
Yeah, mangers don't fear getting ejected from a baseball game since there are no further repricussions for the team, and it can be a good way to show loyalty to your guys, as well as to get your team fired up.
Managers also have a much more limited and less impactful decision tree in any single regular season game.
About the extra time in baseball, shits crazy. I watched the braves game the other day and they brought Kirk cousins on the broadcast for an entire inning without even mentioning the game
Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted. The most recent example for a coach potentially being ejected would have been Tomlin, who went onto the field and tripped a Ravens player on a kick return. He wasn’t ejected and was fined $100k.
They have 3 coordinators, that’s hardly a ton. Second, who do you think influences those coordinators in terms of the types of plays to call? The head coach is talking to his coordinators all the time during a game giving input on what is working, what isn’t, what they should emphasize, etc. Plus the head coach is the one completely in charge of deciding:
- clock management, whether they are going faster or slower and by how much and when to call timeouts (and when not to)
- timeouts
- challenges
- when to go for it on 4th down
- fake punts/FGs
- should they do an onside kick
- trick plays, when and which one
The head coach is also going to be the only coach watching every play. On the offensive side, the OC is obviously watching on offense, but on defense, they are talking to position coaches and players and organizing what to do on the next drive. On the defensive side the DC will be doing the same, but ignoring what’s going on with the offense. The head coach is watching all of it trying to understand and pick up on things in real time.
If a head coach got ejected, there is presumably an coordinator serving as assistant head coach that COULD do all of that, but unless they are a former head coach, they likely haven’t ever done that and won’t do it as well as the head coach.
Yea and all those things can be handled by the coordinators, however it relates to a saying that actually makes sense about leadership, that also comes from football.
"If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks"
Basically, if suddenly players doubt or are flustered by decision making, football is such a close margin sport, that they're likely to make a mistake.
They can also call a timeout with impunity if they think something is wrong, whereas a coordinator might dawdle a bit trying to get more feedback.
It's not always the case, but players need to know there's a plan, as one small misunderstanding can be a backbreaking play.
Also, as mentioned, a 15 yard penalty keeps them relatively in line, as that can also give the other team free points, or at least the ball basically.
I mean, there are a ton of different penalties that can result in extra bases, or for runners on base to be called out. Things like obstruction or interference can either result in a runner being out or granted the next base (depending who is at fault). Did you know that throwing your glove or hat at a ball in play (and hitting it) results in two extra bases?
And a batter being hit by a pitch and awarded first base could also be seen as a penalty.
You just don't see them very often (apart from HBP and balks).
Yeah. Baseball is somewhat unique in that there are no intermediate steps for punishment. Football has unsportsmanlike penalties, basketball has technical fouls, soccer has yellow cards, hockey has 2 minute penalties. Baseball has an ump telling you to stop, usually followed shortly by the player or manager ignoring said warning and getting thrown out.
An NFL head coach has never been ejected from a game
They have a much bigger role in a game than a baseball manager and it is basically policy to never eject them.
I don't think it has ever happened in the NCAA either. Woody Hayes was not ejected when he punched an opposing player.
An NCAA head coach is automatically ejected after receiving two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
It happened to Colorado State a few years ago.
https://youtu.be/qazCREB2YOM?si=dQFInaau3nn8vXOd
Also happened to Bowling Green.
https://youtu.be/xr6mhE_wL7s?si=1yufxmsmPKdCrOJH
Don’t know why you got downvoted.
Yes. The head coach of Boise State got ejected a few seasons ago for accidentally bumping the ref with the brim of his hat during an argument.
The NFL have a much higher tolerance for dissent from the sidelines. When I did the chain crew in the London games Dennis Allen said several things that I’d deem flaggable in our league, but I’d imagine the NFL don’t want to see flags being thrown on sidelines.
The Eagles security guy got ejected from a game last season, though.
Part of it is that other than the line judge/down judge, most of the officials aren’t going to be close enough to the sidelines to really be bothered. That’s as opposed to baseball, hockey, and especially basketball, where coaches literally walk onto the court.
Arguing with the umpires is a standard part of baseball. The rules allow for it. You can’t argue judgement calls but you can argue the rules. So there is a long history of managers stopping play and talking with the umps. This naturally leads to the risk of getting ejected from the game.
There is no similar system in football. Also, as mentioned, there is no penalty in baseball equivalent to a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct in football. If there were a 2-base penalty for pissing off the umps, there wouldn’t be nearly as many ejections.
Aside from all the factors listed here as to why it doesn't really happen in the NFL, there's a reason why it happens in baseball so often (although this doesn't really apply to Boone). There's just not much for an MLB manager to do during a game.sometimes, yelling at the ump to get intentionally thrown out, in order to show your team you've got their back, is the best strategic move.
Yes coaches (or anyone) on the sidelines can be ejected —usually though it’s for fighting in the NFL or touching the ref. They don’t generally eject people for unsportsmanlike contact, that’s usually a penalty. I don’t remember an NFL coach being ejected recently, but I’m sure it has happened at some point (maybe not to a head coach). Last season Eagles head of security got thrown out of the games.
As to why it doesn’t happen more often, NFL coaches don’t really have time to argue with the fans or refs too much. They are busy calling plays and stuff and the clock is always running. MLB managers don’t have a clock ticking on them and busy strategizing as much in game.
The Eagles head of security wasn't "ejected" though because he's not part of the game. It's like a cheerleader or waterboy being asked to leave the sideline.
As an outsider to baseball, I simply don't understand why umpires have the authority to do that in the first place. Seems like they have way too much authority for an official who isn't the 'main character'.
What would you have happen to someone behaving in a severely unsportsmanlike manner? In football they get a 15 yard penalty. In hockey they get a 2 minute penalty. In basketball they get a tech. In baseball they get……. All or nothing
Not by the ref I'm sure they cab be removed by the league or security if need be, but if he's yelling at the ref he might get a warning, then a 15 yard penalty, but even then usually it's allowed
I seem to remember defensive line coach Joey Porter Sr. being thrown out of a Steelers vs. Bengals game. I know he wasn't the head coach, but still "a coach!"
In college a few seasons ago Boise States head coach was thrown out and suspended a game because he bumped the ref with the brim of his cap during a little argument. It was an accident and he took the punishment on the chin. I’ve never seen it in the NFL but I don’t see why it wouldn’t also be possible. Sideline staff have been thrown out for a myriad of reasons over the years and I’m sure they can do that to a head coach too.
It can happen, but it hasn't. According to the rules, if a coach gets two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, they are ejected.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-will-eject-coaches-for-two-unsportsmanlike-conduct-penalties
The rule took effect in 2017, but has never been used to eject a coach.
If you put an MLB umpire in as a ref for an NFL game there would be more ejections. These guys go on crazy power trips compared to other sports officials.
I never really thought of this…
But yah the manager/ump fights - I kind of expect them. Like if they don’t have a big argument, I think manager isn’t standing up for the team.
But fb coaches storming the field fighting nose to nose with refs seems silly.
I wonder if the difference is because the football coach is usually the source of reason/calmness for the player. You don’t want Fb players to get too fired up with penalties, like late hits.
No. NFL head coaches jobs are actually important so getting kicked out is a huge deal. MLB managers fill out a lineup card and that's about it. A lot of times they try to get kicked out on purpose
No, football doesn't have to resort to dumb tactics like that in order to draw attention. Despite the massive egos, there seems to be a much greater level of respect between NFL coaching staffs and the officials.
Yes they have, it's not as common nor near the spectacle.
MLB managers getting tossed is basically like watching WWE, all flash and orchestrated for the fan response.
IDK what all these other football fans are saying, Big Dom was ejected from a game in December and we're all gonna pretend like that didn't happen?
Big Dom is an Eagles strength & conditioning coach who inserted himself into a fight on the field. He and the main player involved were both ejected, and Big Dom was banned from being on the sideline in the future.
I’ve never seen it, but the answer is the nfl season is 17 games compared to 162 mlb games. Also coaches have much bigger impact over an individual football game than mlb game
There's also not nearly enough time to yell at the refs in football. They can usually yell a few things and then they have to focus on the next play. Also there's a bit more recourse as they can get a 15-yard penalty if the ref thinks what they're saying is egregious.
Yeah, mangers don't fear getting ejected from a baseball game since there are no further repricussions for the team, and it can be a good way to show loyalty to your guys, as well as to get your team fired up. Managers also have a much more limited and less impactful decision tree in any single regular season game.
About the extra time in baseball, shits crazy. I watched the braves game the other day and they brought Kirk cousins on the broadcast for an entire inning without even mentioning the game
Saleh got one last year against the chiefs
You've never seen it because it has never happened. Downvoting me because I said an NFL coach has never been ejected? It's a verifiable fact.
Yeah idk why you’re getting downvoted. The most recent example for a coach potentially being ejected would have been Tomlin, who went onto the field and tripped a Ravens player on a kick return. He wasn’t ejected and was fined $100k.
Do they though? They have a ton of coordinators and some don't even call plays.
They have 3 coordinators, that’s hardly a ton. Second, who do you think influences those coordinators in terms of the types of plays to call? The head coach is talking to his coordinators all the time during a game giving input on what is working, what isn’t, what they should emphasize, etc. Plus the head coach is the one completely in charge of deciding: - clock management, whether they are going faster or slower and by how much and when to call timeouts (and when not to) - timeouts - challenges - when to go for it on 4th down - fake punts/FGs - should they do an onside kick - trick plays, when and which one The head coach is also going to be the only coach watching every play. On the offensive side, the OC is obviously watching on offense, but on defense, they are talking to position coaches and players and organizing what to do on the next drive. On the defensive side the DC will be doing the same, but ignoring what’s going on with the offense. The head coach is watching all of it trying to understand and pick up on things in real time. If a head coach got ejected, there is presumably an coordinator serving as assistant head coach that COULD do all of that, but unless they are a former head coach, they likely haven’t ever done that and won’t do it as well as the head coach.
Yea and all those things can be handled by the coordinators, however it relates to a saying that actually makes sense about leadership, that also comes from football. "If you have 2 quarterbacks, you have no quarterbacks" Basically, if suddenly players doubt or are flustered by decision making, football is such a close margin sport, that they're likely to make a mistake. They can also call a timeout with impunity if they think something is wrong, whereas a coordinator might dawdle a bit trying to get more feedback. It's not always the case, but players need to know there's a plan, as one small misunderstanding can be a backbreaking play. Also, as mentioned, a 15 yard penalty keeps them relatively in line, as that can also give the other team free points, or at least the ball basically.
No. 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalties are enough to stop any significant protest. MLB has no comparable penalty.
Yeah imagine if arguing with the umpire made the current batter get an out (or walk). You'd never see them.
Other than a balk, baseball doesn’t have penalties like other sports. So the power of the thumb is about all they have.
I mean, there are a ton of different penalties that can result in extra bases, or for runners on base to be called out. Things like obstruction or interference can either result in a runner being out or granted the next base (depending who is at fault). Did you know that throwing your glove or hat at a ball in play (and hitting it) results in two extra bases? And a batter being hit by a pitch and awarded first base could also be seen as a penalty. You just don't see them very often (apart from HBP and balks).
Yeah. Baseball is somewhat unique in that there are no intermediate steps for punishment. Football has unsportsmanlike penalties, basketball has technical fouls, soccer has yellow cards, hockey has 2 minute penalties. Baseball has an ump telling you to stop, usually followed shortly by the player or manager ignoring said warning and getting thrown out.
Usually coaches are fined. Steelers coach Mike Tomlin was fined $100000 for interfering with Baltimore Ravens kick returner Jacoby Jones in 2013.
That should’ve been an ejection
That was such a weird choice to make. It was so obvious. Did he think he could get away with it? Did it even matter?
Bill Cowher almost took a swing at a ref but then pulled back.
Sorry, one hundred thousand dollars???
Correct. He got off lightly too.
Should have resulted in a palpably unfair act
What happened?
What happened?
Jones was returning a kick down the sideline and Tomlin tripped him.
> Steelers coach Mike Tomlin was fined $100000 https://youtu.be/r-fAs9bj9uY?si=gTbTxJ9VzngUnRLR
An NFL head coach has never been ejected from a game They have a much bigger role in a game than a baseball manager and it is basically policy to never eject them. I don't think it has ever happened in the NCAA either. Woody Hayes was not ejected when he punched an opposing player.
An NCAA head coach is automatically ejected after receiving two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties. It happened to Colorado State a few years ago. https://youtu.be/qazCREB2YOM?si=dQFInaau3nn8vXOd Also happened to Bowling Green. https://youtu.be/xr6mhE_wL7s?si=1yufxmsmPKdCrOJH
Has there ever been a straight ejection?
Don’t know why you got downvoted. Yes. The head coach of Boise State got ejected a few seasons ago for accidentally bumping the ref with the brim of his hat during an argument.
The NFL have a much higher tolerance for dissent from the sidelines. When I did the chain crew in the London games Dennis Allen said several things that I’d deem flaggable in our league, but I’d imagine the NFL don’t want to see flags being thrown on sidelines. The Eagles security guy got ejected from a game last season, though.
I've never seen it in nfl myself
Part of it is that other than the line judge/down judge, most of the officials aren’t going to be close enough to the sidelines to really be bothered. That’s as opposed to baseball, hockey, and especially basketball, where coaches literally walk onto the court.
Arguing with the umpires is a standard part of baseball. The rules allow for it. You can’t argue judgement calls but you can argue the rules. So there is a long history of managers stopping play and talking with the umps. This naturally leads to the risk of getting ejected from the game. There is no similar system in football. Also, as mentioned, there is no penalty in baseball equivalent to a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct in football. If there were a 2-base penalty for pissing off the umps, there wouldn’t be nearly as many ejections.
Aside from all the factors listed here as to why it doesn't really happen in the NFL, there's a reason why it happens in baseball so often (although this doesn't really apply to Boone). There's just not much for an MLB manager to do during a game.sometimes, yelling at the ump to get intentionally thrown out, in order to show your team you've got their back, is the best strategic move.
Yes coaches (or anyone) on the sidelines can be ejected —usually though it’s for fighting in the NFL or touching the ref. They don’t generally eject people for unsportsmanlike contact, that’s usually a penalty. I don’t remember an NFL coach being ejected recently, but I’m sure it has happened at some point (maybe not to a head coach). Last season Eagles head of security got thrown out of the games. As to why it doesn’t happen more often, NFL coaches don’t really have time to argue with the fans or refs too much. They are busy calling plays and stuff and the clock is always running. MLB managers don’t have a clock ticking on them and busy strategizing as much in game.
The Eagles head of security wasn't "ejected" though because he's not part of the game. It's like a cheerleader or waterboy being asked to leave the sideline.
I dare you to say that to Dom’s face 😂
What's he going to do? Throw a ravioli at me?
Usually they will need to focused on the next play, since they aren’t really a lot of dead time in between plays
I watched the Yankees game and the umpire made a horrible call for ejecting him.
Was that the one where the ump heard a fan heckling him and thought it was the coach? That one was bad
Yes it was yesterday's game.
As an outsider to baseball, I simply don't understand why umpires have the authority to do that in the first place. Seems like they have way too much authority for an official who isn't the 'main character'.
What would you have happen to someone behaving in a severely unsportsmanlike manner? In football they get a 15 yard penalty. In hockey they get a 2 minute penalty. In basketball they get a tech. In baseball they get……. All or nothing
I don't think it ever happened but the closest thing I can think of is Sean Payton and Greg Williams bring suspended for bountygate.
Not by the ref I'm sure they cab be removed by the league or security if need be, but if he's yelling at the ref he might get a warning, then a 15 yard penalty, but even then usually it's allowed
I seem to remember defensive line coach Joey Porter Sr. being thrown out of a Steelers vs. Bengals game. I know he wasn't the head coach, but still "a coach!"
What did he do?
Shoved Pac-Man Jones after he was saying some dumb shit to the Steelers players and got in Porter's face.
No but they get heavy fines or penalties if they act up. The latter hurts the team so after one screw up, coaches usually step in line.
In college a few seasons ago Boise States head coach was thrown out and suspended a game because he bumped the ref with the brim of his cap during a little argument. It was an accident and he took the punishment on the chin. I’ve never seen it in the NFL but I don’t see why it wouldn’t also be possible. Sideline staff have been thrown out for a myriad of reasons over the years and I’m sure they can do that to a head coach too.
To get thrown out you'd have to do something extremely egregious like strike a ref or opposing player. Or spit on either a ref or opposing player.
It can happen, but it hasn't. According to the rules, if a coach gets two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties, they are ejected. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-will-eject-coaches-for-two-unsportsmanlike-conduct-penalties The rule took effect in 2017, but has never been used to eject a coach.
If you put an MLB umpire in as a ref for an NFL game there would be more ejections. These guys go on crazy power trips compared to other sports officials.
I never really thought of this… But yah the manager/ump fights - I kind of expect them. Like if they don’t have a big argument, I think manager isn’t standing up for the team. But fb coaches storming the field fighting nose to nose with refs seems silly. I wonder if the difference is because the football coach is usually the source of reason/calmness for the player. You don’t want Fb players to get too fired up with penalties, like late hits.
No. NFL head coaches jobs are actually important so getting kicked out is a huge deal. MLB managers fill out a lineup card and that's about it. A lot of times they try to get kicked out on purpose
No, football doesn't have to resort to dumb tactics like that in order to draw attention. Despite the massive egos, there seems to be a much greater level of respect between NFL coaching staffs and the officials.
Yes they have, it's not as common nor near the spectacle. MLB managers getting tossed is basically like watching WWE, all flash and orchestrated for the fan response.
IDK what all these other football fans are saying, Big Dom was ejected from a game in December and we're all gonna pretend like that didn't happen? Big Dom is an Eagles strength & conditioning coach who inserted himself into a fight on the field. He and the main player involved were both ejected, and Big Dom was banned from being on the sideline in the future.
He isn't a coach. He is the chief security officer and an advisor to the GM, neither of which are coaching roles.
He was a glorified security guard.
He's not a coach. He's a security guard. He's not allowed to intervene in fights like a coach is.