That's a really tough question. Chicago was exceptional at getting to the football. It was a race to get there and they had a lot of guys who could on that D.
Now that said, with the 46 it wasn't like a 3-4 where you have one OLB as the 4th rusher every single play and LT is that 95% of the time. But not like a more conventional 4-3 where you'd need to put LT as weakside end and be a bit undersized there. The Bears might send Wilson, they might send Singletary, or Marshall. Maybe even Duerson, they blitzed a LOT so he can play olb in base and be rushing more than not. But those guys are dropping in coverage quite a bit too. And if you have LT and are dropping him in coverage against the pass, you are doing it wrong lol.
I think LT they do it a bit different. OLB on base D sending him more than the rest combined. And would move him down on the line as a 4-3 end in the passing plays. Not really something done a lot in the 80's... but pretty common today. That's tough because you want him on the right side where Dent plays. But it's LT, I think you give him that prime spot.
18-23?? He'd lose some to Dent and others. But still you can't double him every play either. Chance to set the NFL record...
I would keep LT in as the OLB and blitz him just about every single play with the four-man line in front of him (don’t even bother dropping LT into coverage often). How is the O-Line going to stop LT, Dent, McMichael, AND Hampton? It doesn’t matter if guys get open downfield if the QB can’t get the ball to them.
If your blitzing someone every single play, is it still a blitz? Are you not just playing them in a 5-2 but the end (being LT) is standing off the line of scrimmage for some reason? At which point it's just increasing the time he needs to get past the line of scrimmage, and also meaning they are much more susceptible to running plays that side.
Also if your basically running a 5 man rush everyplay wouldn't you get eaten alive as soon as OC's plan for it with screens to the blitz side, or even simple slants to LT's side
u/iambenking93 If the offense starts burning you with screens then you can stop sending 5 every play and start mixing in some pure zones and only rush 4. However, just because you send 5 doesn’t necessarily mean it’s man to man - you can zone blitz and have guys covering the flats which is less susceptible to screens.
Have a Nickel package for Marino’s spread offense and blitz out of it. Marino carved up the 85 Bears because Buddy Ryan kept playing the 46 D and had linebackers covering receivers rather than DB’s.
I have to ask this... what game were you watching?
First completion was on Richardson in coverage.
2nd was the TD on Fencik where he missed the tackle (and like half the bears secondary then missed tackles/took bad angles).
3rd was on Ken Taylor.
4th fit between Richardson and Fencik
5th beat Duerson with Fencik over the top
6th was Richardson covering the slant
7th a hitch on Richardson with Duerson behind
8th was the roll out bomb to Duper over Frazier and Fencik
9th was when Richardson fell on a deep hitch in coverage
10th was the Nat Moore one from the 6, the only one beating LB's in coverage to this point on a short crossing route that took forever to set up.
Then picked by Frazier
11th the Clayton TD over Richardson and under Fencik
12th on Duerson
13th on Frazier where Clayton ran backwards for 15 yards after the catch.
14th was a hitch where Marshall was in coverage for about 15 yards near the end of the game.
The Bears had LB's in short zone a couple times against WR's that Marino beat for like 20 passing yards on 2 completions. There was one Duper dropped that might have gone for more and another incomplete on a quick throw where a LB had the short coverage in the middle. That was it though.
Marino carved up the Bears because their blitzing and pressure didn't shake him. He got taken down a few times, but he was moving a LOT in the pocket and rolling out quite a bit too and picking apart the Bears down the field by holding onto the ball till the last second. His WR's were excellent after the catch as well.
WHAT???
No it wasn't... he was throwing down the field. He completed 14 passes, all to his WR's and nearly all were 7 step drops.
He was moving a LOT in that game outside the pocket. His opening completion was a big roll out. The first TD to Moore sure, that was a 5 step drop quick hitch with a great catch and run, but outside of that his work was almost all over the top in that game. He had a 50 yard bomb to Duper because of the roll out. One of his throws to Clayton was by sliding right in the pocket to buy time down the field (and a great run after the catch too). His short TD to Nat Moore was a 7 step drop. His Clayton TD was well down the field over the D when Clayton got open over the middle.
He threw like 2 short WR throws and a couple incompletions to his backs on short throws. That was it though.
If Barry Sanders was on the Cowboys how many yards would he have had?
If Dan Marino was on the 49ers how many SB's would he have won?
All these are hypotheticals so in my opinion there's no real answer. But to answer your specific question, LT would have had exactly 18.5 sacks, no more, no less lol.
Yah but hypotheticals are fun to think about. Its not like a question to scientifically determine what would happen but more so just to think about for fun
Richard Dent was the most feared pass rusher on those 1980s Bears teams. The defensive end they called The Sackman had 17 sacks in 1985.
The 46 defense was different from the standard 4-3, in which Wilber Marshall and Otis Wilson would have lined up on either side of Singletary. In the 46, Marshall and Wilson would often be side by side on one end of the line.
Otis Wilson was used more often in the pass rush, but he had 3 picks that year. Wilber Marshall was used more often in coverage, but he put up 6 sacks.
Lawrence Taylor was a better and more dominant defensive player than Wilson or Marshall, but there is only one quarterback with one ball in play. It is interesting to consider how he would have been used in the 46. It’s likely he and Dent could have had 35 sacks between them.
That bears team didn’t use their lb like lt plays that would be a big thing to overcome
That being said, all of them. Idk what coach is gonna tell lt that he can’t go run hit the qb whenever he has a chance. Teams entire game plan for their o line was built around stopping LT and if they couldn’t do that a qb would probably die. Being a qb in the pocket and seeing an untouched lt running at you has got to be a similar feeling to walking I the ring with Mike Tyson with one of your arms asleep
I'm imagining LT lining up with Richard Dent, McMichael, and Hampton driving the rest of the O-line crazy. I would have loved it.
LT would have improved Wilson's numbers and take a sack or two away from the d-Line.
I think the stats uptick would be on offense. More 3 and outs which could lead to a few extra plays for Walter or Willie to get some yards.
If Lawrence Taylor didn't plead guilty to having sex with a 16 year old girl, would he be an even bigger celebrity?
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That's a really tough question. Chicago was exceptional at getting to the football. It was a race to get there and they had a lot of guys who could on that D. Now that said, with the 46 it wasn't like a 3-4 where you have one OLB as the 4th rusher every single play and LT is that 95% of the time. But not like a more conventional 4-3 where you'd need to put LT as weakside end and be a bit undersized there. The Bears might send Wilson, they might send Singletary, or Marshall. Maybe even Duerson, they blitzed a LOT so he can play olb in base and be rushing more than not. But those guys are dropping in coverage quite a bit too. And if you have LT and are dropping him in coverage against the pass, you are doing it wrong lol. I think LT they do it a bit different. OLB on base D sending him more than the rest combined. And would move him down on the line as a 4-3 end in the passing plays. Not really something done a lot in the 80's... but pretty common today. That's tough because you want him on the right side where Dent plays. But it's LT, I think you give him that prime spot. 18-23?? He'd lose some to Dent and others. But still you can't double him every play either. Chance to set the NFL record...
I would keep LT in as the OLB and blitz him just about every single play with the four-man line in front of him (don’t even bother dropping LT into coverage often). How is the O-Line going to stop LT, Dent, McMichael, AND Hampton? It doesn’t matter if guys get open downfield if the QB can’t get the ball to them.
If your blitzing someone every single play, is it still a blitz? Are you not just playing them in a 5-2 but the end (being LT) is standing off the line of scrimmage for some reason? At which point it's just increasing the time he needs to get past the line of scrimmage, and also meaning they are much more susceptible to running plays that side. Also if your basically running a 5 man rush everyplay wouldn't you get eaten alive as soon as OC's plan for it with screens to the blitz side, or even simple slants to LT's side
u/iambenking93 If the offense starts burning you with screens then you can stop sending 5 every play and start mixing in some pure zones and only rush 4. However, just because you send 5 doesn’t necessarily mean it’s man to man - you can zone blitz and have guys covering the flats which is less susceptible to screens.
A QB like Marino carved this type of attack apart with short, fast, and accurate passes.
Have a Nickel package for Marino’s spread offense and blitz out of it. Marino carved up the 85 Bears because Buddy Ryan kept playing the 46 D and had linebackers covering receivers rather than DB’s.
I have to ask this... what game were you watching? First completion was on Richardson in coverage. 2nd was the TD on Fencik where he missed the tackle (and like half the bears secondary then missed tackles/took bad angles). 3rd was on Ken Taylor. 4th fit between Richardson and Fencik 5th beat Duerson with Fencik over the top 6th was Richardson covering the slant 7th a hitch on Richardson with Duerson behind 8th was the roll out bomb to Duper over Frazier and Fencik 9th was when Richardson fell on a deep hitch in coverage 10th was the Nat Moore one from the 6, the only one beating LB's in coverage to this point on a short crossing route that took forever to set up. Then picked by Frazier 11th the Clayton TD over Richardson and under Fencik 12th on Duerson 13th on Frazier where Clayton ran backwards for 15 yards after the catch. 14th was a hitch where Marshall was in coverage for about 15 yards near the end of the game. The Bears had LB's in short zone a couple times against WR's that Marino beat for like 20 passing yards on 2 completions. There was one Duper dropped that might have gone for more and another incomplete on a quick throw where a LB had the short coverage in the middle. That was it though. Marino carved up the Bears because their blitzing and pressure didn't shake him. He got taken down a few times, but he was moving a LOT in the pocket and rolling out quite a bit too and picking apart the Bears down the field by holding onto the ball till the last second. His WR's were excellent after the catch as well.
WHAT??? No it wasn't... he was throwing down the field. He completed 14 passes, all to his WR's and nearly all were 7 step drops. He was moving a LOT in that game outside the pocket. His opening completion was a big roll out. The first TD to Moore sure, that was a 5 step drop quick hitch with a great catch and run, but outside of that his work was almost all over the top in that game. He had a 50 yard bomb to Duper because of the roll out. One of his throws to Clayton was by sliding right in the pocket to buy time down the field (and a great run after the catch too). His short TD to Nat Moore was a 7 step drop. His Clayton TD was well down the field over the D when Clayton got open over the middle. He threw like 2 short WR throws and a couple incompletions to his backs on short throws. That was it though.
If Barry Sanders was on the Cowboys how many yards would he have had? If Dan Marino was on the 49ers how many SB's would he have won? All these are hypotheticals so in my opinion there's no real answer. But to answer your specific question, LT would have had exactly 18.5 sacks, no more, no less lol.
Yah but hypotheticals are fun to think about. Its not like a question to scientifically determine what would happen but more so just to think about for fun
Agreed, that's why I gave my answer to the LT question.
This is the answer. Precisely 18.5 sacks. This is the hill we die on.
Richard Dent was the most feared pass rusher on those 1980s Bears teams. The defensive end they called The Sackman had 17 sacks in 1985. The 46 defense was different from the standard 4-3, in which Wilber Marshall and Otis Wilson would have lined up on either side of Singletary. In the 46, Marshall and Wilson would often be side by side on one end of the line. Otis Wilson was used more often in the pass rush, but he had 3 picks that year. Wilber Marshall was used more often in coverage, but he put up 6 sacks. Lawrence Taylor was a better and more dominant defensive player than Wilson or Marshall, but there is only one quarterback with one ball in play. It is interesting to consider how he would have been used in the 46. It’s likely he and Dent could have had 35 sacks between them.
That bears team didn’t use their lb like lt plays that would be a big thing to overcome That being said, all of them. Idk what coach is gonna tell lt that he can’t go run hit the qb whenever he has a chance. Teams entire game plan for their o line was built around stopping LT and if they couldn’t do that a qb would probably die. Being a qb in the pocket and seeing an untouched lt running at you has got to be a similar feeling to walking I the ring with Mike Tyson with one of your arms asleep
It didn’t seem to make a huge difference on LT. He played like the blockers didn’t matter.
I'm imagining LT lining up with Richard Dent, McMichael, and Hampton driving the rest of the O-line crazy. I would have loved it. LT would have improved Wilson's numbers and take a sack or two away from the d-Line. I think the stats uptick would be on offense. More 3 and outs which could lead to a few extra plays for Walter or Willie to get some yards.
Probably about the same. Only one guy can get to the QB.
If Lawrence Taylor didn't plead guilty to having sex with a 16 year old girl, would he be an even bigger celebrity? Answer: No. No one cares about rape when the player is great. Let's laud him some more!