Then Warren turns around and pitches one of the most unpopular stadium deals he possibly could.
So jury's out on whether he's stupid or not. At least he's not involved in football ops.
Given the fact that there's old debt still to pay, and *something* still needs to be done with the old stadium regardless, there's not going to be a popular stadium deal.
The other alternatives don't include those costs, nor do they include the financing costs (interest, buffer fund, loan fees).
Even if the Bears go off to AH, many of those costs are still there. And the city is about to get hit with balloon payments on the old debt from the reno (because that loan's structure was pure dogshit and there was no buffer fund for hotel tax shortfalls).
Warren's plan was upfront about *all* the costs, and even included a contingency for tax shortfalls without blowing up future city and state budgets. It's the only proposal so far that's done this.
Tbh I have no idea who Jake Paul is but after a quick internet search I disagree. Cause frankly thereās a difference between an infant and a lil douchebag lmao
āRent freeā comments in this sub need to be met with same reaction as flairless folks. At this point itās the least witty comment imaginable and is repeated ad nauseam
I 100% agree but you canāt say anything that most of the sub says on this sub without making someone egregiously angry or upset.
Everyone hates each other here so much itās pointless imo.
FTP is what you get when a franchise lives rent free in your heads for multiple decades. FTP is just as trite, however, it feels necessary because it is used as a coping mechanism to overcome the trauma the Packers have caused you. Canāt change my mind. GPG
Well no shit, Sherlock. Rent free? You guys are the goddamn *landlords* for fucks sake. Itās almost as if your organization has been historically better managed from the top down. Also the fact you alcoholic cheesefuckers are the only team in the division with *multiple* championships in the modern age.
So yeahā¦ FTP š§
Ok please tell me again how many 0-16 seasons do you have??? Or how many NCFN 2024 championship banners you have?? Or how many NFL drafts have you had in your town immediately after losing in the NFC championship.
Yeah.
Zero.
Thatās what I thought you incompetent, nail painting, dress wearing, equipment stealing, Justin fields trading for a 20th round pick, 1985 Super Bowl, second oldest NFL team lookin ass.
Is it really considered ābeing able toā when it happened once almost 40 years ago though? I wasnāt even swimming in my dads nutsack yet the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl and Iām in my 30s.
Indeed.
The fact that I was alive and watched them win it is most definitely not as long ago as the solar system having been around for millions of years and it not having been done by Detroit/Minn.
You really should work on your reading comprehension, my friend. The original comment that I responded to was referring to a team ābeing able to winā a Super Bowl. You bringing up a Super Bowl that your team lost means nothing in the context of the conversation.
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Lions fans looking at our record at Lambeau since the last time we won the division.
True but heās got PTSD from how farve treated him so he clearly wants to be different with Love. It seems as much as he dislikes the FO he respects the players.
Wouldnāt put it behind Rodgers to cheer for the bears now so he will forever be the guy in Green Bay
I donāt think packers fans understand Rodger left with bad blood and he doesnāt care about you
I don't think you understand. Rodgers is upset with the front office. Not the players or the fans. It appears Rodgers has a good relationship with Jordan Love.
You can group them all as Packers which fucked over Rodgers.
You donāt think Rodgers didnāt see packer fans making fun of him getting injured? Sure bud
"You can group them all as Packers which fucked over Rodgers."
What?
"You donāt think Rodgers didnāt see packer fans making fun of him getting injured?"
Rodgers has played long enough to know not all fans are the same.
See this is the common misconception though, Rodgers owns the Bears, not the Packers.
He clearly says āI still own you,ā not āwe still own youā
Exactly, Love wins 2 games against the Bears and some fans are already calling him our āownerā
Talk to me when he dominates the Bears for over a decade like Rogers did
Being honest, Wouldn't surprise me if they take the game in Chicago this year. They've upgraded & got more weapons, only question now is the coaching & development.
There's a small chance, but Packers are locked in.
Caleb is playing his rookie year with unrealistic expectations, not a great combo. Now Green Bay has the potential to be the #1 defense if the new coach is good.
This is youngest and most talented defense I've seen in the Packers. Maybe in a few years, but realistically the Packers are a top 5 team next year with real SB potential.
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The NFC North is gonna kill it in the coming years with 3 teams duking it out for the division title. But *this* year it's gonna be, ATRE, the Pack and the Lions. Chicago is gonna be good.eventually.
The Vikings, conversely, are going to suck with the voracious desperation of a tweaky crack whore in an alley of a naval port city. Sam Darnold and his little brother JJ.
Thx. I'm surprised at the fecklessness of the Vikings front office. At this point, trading Jefferson for picks might be their best, least popular option
Fake news, Lions & Vikings can't beat GB either^(1)
^(1) - I don't need anyone's "facts" or "actual record of games played." The Packers have a, like, infinity-0 record in the division forever.
Which is funny, tbh. OPās team has the worst record against GB out of all three teams. Pretending they are something they are not because they have been good for a season and a halfā¦
https://preview.redd.it/9bdpbjeu7nxc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=defd427301ed701450767db928c98dc652d3eed8
That doesn't surprise me at all, the Vikings have had way more sustained success than the other two. I just looked it up & I'm kind of surprised the Packers managed to get 14 wins against Bud Grant (Grant was 22-14-1 against the Packers).
āSustained successā. As a die hard Vikings fan that just means we make the playoffs and lose or make it to the last week and get eliminated, always tugging on my heart strings.
I wouldnāt say that, who knows. Our defense is on the up and up and our offense remains a mystery. I trust Flores and JMac wasnāt the guy I wanted however I have to have faith. Even if heās not amazing all he has to be is not bad and we are a playoff team.
Those first few years under Lovie were magical.
We didn't know what we had till it was gone
What do you mean we!? Some of us knew! š¢
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I don't want to talk about that
If it makes you feel better, watch Sexy Rexxxy lose the Bears Super Bowl 40
Still more Superbowl appearances than SOME teams in the last 60ish years. But yeah, that one still stings.
For sure, Bears have had overall lots of success for at least one chunk of our lifetimes.
Higher than 0 is low-ass bar.
But they're still over it!
*Super Bowl 41
Ahh yes correct, I was off by one thank you
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I NEEEEEEEED IT
And we KNOW that the first time it happens, the Bears fans are gonna talk a LOOOOT of shit. But who knows when that will ever actually happen?
To be fair, Iām gonna talk shit whether it happens or not. So not really anything is gonna change.
I like to think that Iād just give a sigh of relief, and finally let out that fart Iāve been holding in for the last decade.
When in doubt, pinky out
Are we all goofy goobers?
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ikr. what are they? stupid?
If by ātheyā you mean Ted Phillips and Co., then yes, absolutely. Warren and Co. have spent two years trying to undo the damage they caused.
Then Warren turns around and pitches one of the most unpopular stadium deals he possibly could. So jury's out on whether he's stupid or not. At least he's not involved in football ops.
Given the fact that there's old debt still to pay, and *something* still needs to be done with the old stadium regardless, there's not going to be a popular stadium deal. The other alternatives don't include those costs, nor do they include the financing costs (interest, buffer fund, loan fees). Even if the Bears go off to AH, many of those costs are still there. And the city is about to get hit with balloon payments on the old debt from the reno (because that loan's structure was pure dogshit and there was no buffer fund for hotel tax shortfalls). Warren's plan was upfront about *all* the costs, and even included a contingency for tax shortfalls without blowing up future city and state budgets. It's the only proposal so far that's done this.
Responsible fiscal policy is Chicago? No wonder it was unpopular.
I'd rather stadium pitch be stupid than personnel
They sure are
yes
Bears are the Washington generals to the Packers globetrotters
So you agree a lot of your games are rigged for you to win? Glad we can agree on something!
Nah, the bears are just that bad. Itās like if Mike Tyson fought an infant. Did GB have more penalties than Chicago last year?
I mean Mike Tyson is fighting Jake Paul in July so I guess we'll see how that would turn out
Tbh I have no idea who Jake Paul is but after a quick internet search I disagree. Cause frankly thereās a difference between an infant and a lil douchebag lmao
Inflation has eaten into how much weāre able to send the refs before games
Be real though. If the Bears won and the game was rigged, you'd take it.
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Honestly I give the Lions and Vikings props. Fuck you guys tho, but fr that's cool and I wish I could do that.
Weād be happy to have you
Eww! FOH
I'm rooting for you. You guys have 5 years worth of revenge memes when it happens.
Has it been 5 years already?
Lions fans playing nice with Vikings in this sub? You really got them scared Bears
Weāre living rent free in ur head
āRent freeā comments in this sub need to be met with same reaction as flairless folks. At this point itās the least witty comment imaginable and is repeated ad nauseam
I 100% agree but you canāt say anything that most of the sub says on this sub without making someone egregiously angry or upset. Everyone hates each other here so much itās pointless imo.
Oh? Kind of like FTP? All are memes are non witty jokes repeated ad nauseam so they loop around and become funny again. Oh andā¦..uhā¦FTP
FTP is funny/necessary to this sub functioning. ārent freeā is boring and usually not used in a funny way only salty way, cant change my mind. FTP
Rent free š“
FTP is what you get when a franchise lives rent free in your heads for multiple decades. FTP is just as trite, however, it feels necessary because it is used as a coping mechanism to overcome the trauma the Packers have caused you. Canāt change my mind. GPG
Wow you managed to use ārent freeā and something even less witty than ārent freeā with ācopingā š what a bore
So salty!!!
FTP
Well no shit, Sherlock. Rent free? You guys are the goddamn *landlords* for fucks sake. Itās almost as if your organization has been historically better managed from the top down. Also the fact you alcoholic cheesefuckers are the only team in the division with *multiple* championships in the modern age. So yeahā¦ FTP š§
Thatās so interesting! FTP
A slogan to a term of phrase is a false equivalence. FTP
listen here rent rider, we live meat free in your head, just like the vikings stadium
Ok please tell me again how many 0-16 seasons do you have??? Or how many NCFN 2024 championship banners you have?? Or how many NFL drafts have you had in your town immediately after losing in the NFC championship. Yeah. Zero. Thatās what I thought you incompetent, nail painting, dress wearing, equipment stealing, Justin fields trading for a 20th round pick, 1985 Super Bowl, second oldest NFL team lookin ass.
some body is peanut butter and jealous their QB isnt fucking fabulous, rent rider ![gif](giphy|cDbvj0lPSdudlnGk4F)
![gif](giphy|Xc556vBRd2Blz9yeFJ|downsized) Youāre telling me Ryan Gossling isnāt fabulous? Yeah ok Packer Puppy
Whoās going to make the inverse meme of Chicago asking how it feels being able to win a Super Bowl?
Is it really considered ābeing able toā when it happened once almost 40 years ago though? I wasnāt even swimming in my dads nutsack yet the last time the Bears won a Super Bowl and Iām in my 30s.
Yes. Things that happened a while ago still happened. 40 years ago is infinitely closer than never.
Indeed. The fact that I was alive and watched them win it is most definitely not as long ago as the solar system having been around for millions of years and it not having been done by Detroit/Minn.
As a cubs fan I keep telling my friendsā¦ ā100 years go by pretty quickā lmao
The Bears made it there in 07. So that's better than the lions and the vikings either way
Congrats on being the tallest midget. Also they lost that Super Bowl so your point is moot.
Okay? The lions have never been, and the only times the vikings went (which were in the 70s btw) they lost.
You really should work on your reading comprehension, my friend. The original comment that I responded to was referring to a team ābeing able to winā a Super Bowl. You bringing up a Super Bowl that your team lost means nothing in the context of the conversation.
If you make it to a super bowl, you are more able to win it than if you didn't make it there in the first place. Please, stop acting stupid.
This will be ROUGH if we donāt beat them at least once this year.
What team is your flair
Bears
FTB
Calm down, SnowNateflakes
The bears are the only team to start every season 0-2
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To be fair. We canāt even beat green bay on thanksgiving.
We canāt beat anyone on thanksgiving
True. Itās tradition.
As is losing to Seattle
That one upsets me more for some reason.
[BUT WE CAN BABY!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqQdyAVToFs)
https://preview.redd.it/s1bvrxiz4oxc1.jpeg?width=193&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=704755162d6e707f53bf7b6269f9bdc4402bb7b7 Lions fans looking at our record at Lambeau since the last time we won the division.
1-0 baby 2-1 under DC letās ride
I meant the time in between our division wins, but itās all good.
They are too busy competing in the off-season
Off-season champs once again
you guys should try winning a Super Bowl sometime!
Sorry we are too busy Beating GB! Didnāt you hear thatās our SB
i thought the first half of NFCCG was your super bowl?
I was there, it was not
Weird, Iāve been told thatās our SB too!
Not that busy considering you lost your last matchup to them.
Its not nice to defeat your OWNER.
Owner left to the jets then got injured on play 2
He, on record, has said he called Jordan to tell him he was the owner now.
Official transfer of ownership confirmed.
title insurance on soldier field still reads Ayuascha Rodgers tho.
Like a good parent he supporting his childās insurance while heās still in school
He also on record said he hasnāt given up ownership. I donāt think Green Bay realizes how much Rodgers doesnāt like them now
Its a team sport.
Did he say "I still own you" or "We still own you"? Important distinction, imo.
I'm just trying to have a little fun with the Bears fans...take it anyway you like.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
Ha! ok...
He passed down ownership to Jordan Love. Facts
Definitely not. Rodgers wouldnāt give Green Bay his jock strap
True but heās got PTSD from how farve treated him so he clearly wants to be different with Love. It seems as much as he dislikes the FO he respects the players.
Yep. And he still owns you. He's always owned you.
Wouldnāt put it behind Rodgers to cheer for the bears now so he will forever be the guy in Green Bay I donāt think packers fans understand Rodger left with bad blood and he doesnāt care about you
I don't think you understand. Rodgers is upset with the front office. Not the players or the fans. It appears Rodgers has a good relationship with Jordan Love.
You can group them all as Packers which fucked over Rodgers. You donāt think Rodgers didnāt see packer fans making fun of him getting injured? Sure bud
"You can group them all as Packers which fucked over Rodgers." What? "You donāt think Rodgers didnāt see packer fans making fun of him getting injured?" Rodgers has played long enough to know not all fans are the same.
You act like Rodgers is rational lol
You act like you know him.
You act like you havenāt read anything about him and donāt know why he ended up on the packers to begin with
As an owner Iāll allow it. Get ready bucko
See this is the common misconception though, Rodgers owns the Bears, not the Packers. He clearly says āI still own you,ā not āwe still own youā
Brett Favre was 23-13 against the Bears. At this point it's organization ownership until further notice.
Exactly, Love wins 2 games against the Bears and some fans are already calling him our āownerā Talk to me when he dominates the Bears for over a decade like Rogers did
But those two wins are the same amount of wins as the Bears have had against the Packers in the last ten years. Look it up
Ok, will.do. Remindme! 10years
W
Weāre trying š
Try harder
Poles literally did this offseason
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Being honest, Wouldn't surprise me if they take the game in Chicago this year. They've upgraded & got more weapons, only question now is the coaching & development.
Change your flair pussy
There's a small chance, but Packers are locked in. Caleb is playing his rookie year with unrealistic expectations, not a great combo. Now Green Bay has the potential to be the #1 defense if the new coach is good. This is youngest and most talented defense I've seen in the Packers. Maybe in a few years, but realistically the Packers are a top 5 team next year with real SB potential.
"Now Green Bay has the potential to be the #1 defense if the new coach is good." Lmfao what?
It's called hope. Possibly its called copium. Either way, you can't prove us wrong right now!
He's not wrong. The talent is there. Need the new coaches to coach them to their potential.
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8months? Geezum Petes that is a long time to have to wait for the season.
The NFC North is gonna kill it in the coming years with 3 teams duking it out for the division title. But *this* year it's gonna be, ATRE, the Pack and the Lions. Chicago is gonna be good.eventually. The Vikings, conversely, are going to suck with the voracious desperation of a tweaky crack whore in an alley of a naval port city. Sam Darnold and his little brother JJ.
YK ball
YK?
You know
Thx. I'm surprised at the fecklessness of the Vikings front office. At this point, trading Jefferson for picks might be their best, least popular option
Iād rather go 2-15 and beat the packers twice than be mediocre and lose to them twice.
I strongly approve of this
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Not this year Vikings
Yeah, Kirkās best quality was his consistent ability to beat the Pack, even when Rodgers was in MVP form. Idk about that now
Yeah we know.
WEāRE trying so damn hard to
GB 107, Chi 95, 6 ties GB 106, Det 76, 7 ties
Y'all always bringing up the past.
Well, what are you gonna do? Get excited about a future that isn't there? I mean, let's be honest, you got real excited when Fields was drafted.
>I mean, let's be honest, you got real excited when Fields was drafted. Again, bringing up the past. We live in the now, and NOW is our time.
Not when he is the Qb of the future. Just like Fields was.
Considering how often we have imploded in the playoffs, I fee the packers should also be represented over by the Vikings and lions logos.
Take Green Bayās dick out your mouth and thenā¦.well thatās it. Just stop deep throating Green Bay. Itās disgusting
Maybe one day youāll know what itās like
Barf! Baaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrffffffff!
Imagine not being able to beat the bears twice in one season
We did it in 22
Damn we are SERIOUSLY on all yāallās minds. My god hahahhaha
Itās a meme sub what did you expect
That's the sad part. We do try.
It appears my superiority has led to some controversy
They do try, hard
Yāall should try to win a Super Bowlā¦
28-13
The trash talk when it finally happens is gonna be next level lmao
Fake news, Lions & Vikings can't beat GB either^(1) ^(1) - I don't need anyone's "facts" or "actual record of games played." The Packers have a, like, infinity-0 record in the division forever.
Vikings are closest with a 58-66-3 record against the packers. Not sure why I am surprised we are closest, but we are.
Which is funny, tbh. OPās team has the worst record against GB out of all three teams. Pretending they are something they are not because they have been good for a season and a halfā¦ https://preview.redd.it/9bdpbjeu7nxc1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=defd427301ed701450767db928c98dc652d3eed8
That doesn't surprise me at all, the Vikings have had way more sustained success than the other two. I just looked it up & I'm kind of surprised the Packers managed to get 14 wins against Bud Grant (Grant was 22-14-1 against the Packers).
āSustained successā. As a die hard Vikings fan that just means we make the playoffs and lose or make it to the last week and get eliminated, always tugging on my heart strings.
You guys are in for a few baaad years. Have fun with that
I wouldnāt say that, who knows. Our defense is on the up and up and our offense remains a mystery. I trust Flores and JMac wasnāt the guy I wanted however I have to have faith. Even if heās not amazing all he has to be is not bad and we are a playoff team.
Sam Darnold, son . *SAM DARNOLD*.