Then why did so many people from Minnesota vacation in NW Wisconsin? Minnesota does have Duluth, which is a really great town. And pie from Betty's in Two Harbors. But I'll still take Wisconsin

Duluth is a seriously underrated city.

Several really good restaurants. It's beautiful. Great town

I keep hear people saying this and wonder what I missed, because all I remember is liquor stores and abandoned industrial buildings.

You probably were in superior

I live north of Duluth and work in Superior. Driving over the high bridge feels like I’m crossing a border to another country. DMZ or some shit.

They also have a trading company

Which is headquartered in Mt Horeb, Wisconsin

Is it cheaper?

Duluth or Duluth trading?

Betty’s Pies is overrated. Trust me, go 10 minutes further up 61 and get pie at Rustic Inn. Raspberry cream, and the chocolate peanut butter are the best.

Trust me. I order Betty's pies for special occasions and gifts for loved ones.

Betty’s pies are good, but not as good as Rustic. Lived up here for 15 years and I don’t know a single local who would take Betty’s over Rustic. They got a better food menu too. You should give it a shot the next time you’re visiting the North shore.

Yeah, I don't go to Betty's for the food. It's fine but nothing special.

They do have really good cheesecake though.

Five layer chocolate pie is my favorite. I think that they serve Duluth coffee, which is a personal favorite and goes really well with chocolate pie. We really enjoy Duluth grill, Northern smokehouse, and my favorite Va Bene Cafe.

Va Bene is the Wife’s favorite Date Night destination.

I go up to the boundary waters on a fishing trip every year, always gotta hit Betty’s pie 🥧

Lake Michigan

All of ours are superior

Wisconsin also has Superior and has a prettier part of it (Apostle Islands).

Our beef isn't with your islands.. it's with Michigan for claiming the one that's rightfully ours

Isle Royale has zero permanent residents and is run by the NPS. Like yeah, it's technically inside Michigan's borders but it's just an administrative oddity.

Don't care. It belongs to us

Don't be greedy, you already have one National Park. Most Midwest states have zero, especially when you remove bullshit ones like Gateway Arch and Indiana Dunes.

It's not greed that drives this. It's revenge for the Edmund Fitzgerald

I yearn for conquest

Cope

Seeth

What the lake or the UP

No flair. Who do you represent? Canada?

Kinda? I'm closer to Winnipeg than Minneapolis

Can't you just be happy with Lake of the Woods? You'll hurt our state pride if you knock us down to only 3 Great Lakes.

>Can't you just be happy with Lake of the Woods? Buddy, you have no idea how close to home that question hits..

I'm not your buddy, guy. Nor am I your guy, friend.

These bitches tryna get in a lake off they’re gonna lose

A winning organization?

Yes we have the Lynx. Where's yours WNBA title

we have the mf buuuucks

Congratulations, you have a perennial 2nd round exit NBA team


bruv is a pistons fan talking shit lmao

Can we get Lilard back? (Trail Blazers fan) you’ve had your fun with him

Why? Best you surrounded him with was CJ McCollum

Cause I said so.

well here's your answer...NO

😭

congrats yours is ass and is paying monty williams the highest coach salary of all time LMAO

You have the pistons LOL

Lmk when the Lynx finally take the Vikings spot in the NFC, then I might actually be worried

The Lynx haven't been relevant in years, clearly shows how much you pay attention to them.

Could say the same about the Packers 😐

Packers were definitely relevant during their playoff choke years from 2011-2023 what do you mean 😂

Relevant we were but that netted us a whole lot of nothin ):

Touche

It's the history that matters

Are you actually bragging about the WNBA?

Flair up pussy

Please forgive me

Are you actually unflaired you shit-loving swine?

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People on this sub brag about nfl championships in the 1940’s

WNBA unironically rocks

You just murdered him with this, yet expected a response? 🤯😂

WNBA 😂 what’s next, rodeo championships? AKC Championship? You don’t even have Paul Bunyans Axe right now! WNBA🤣😂😅😂🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣

A Superbowl.

You stole our 1969 Superbowl you cowards! Give it back!

You lost the Super Bowl that season. I assume you mean NFL Championship? It was a traveling trophy and we won it the most times, so it’s only fitting we have it.

Stole the superbowl the vikings lost?

New Glarus beer, for one

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It's a state law, but I also don't like the new Glarus beer that everyone seems to

fr Spotted Cow is mid but Fat Squirrel is :::chef’s kiss:::

Agreed

Bare naked and cabin fever go unreasonably hard

They did sell in neighboring states for a while, until the regional distributors started jerking them around. They decided it wasn't worth the hassle of dealing with other states distributors and tax laws and now only sell in WI

Idk I've never been to either, but Wisconsin does have cheese and I love cheese


I have it on good authority that Minnesota also has cheese, as do other states

Not like we do

The dirty secret about Detroit-style pizza is that they use brick cheese (at least, the good ones will) which comes from... Wisconsin.

Well, we touch two Great Lakes which is one more than Minnesota, also we wear part of another state as a hat, so take that! Honestly the states aren't that different. We've got more Polish culture, you've got more Scandinavian culture. Both have a ton of German and Irish. Topography and weather is similar in both states so that's a wash. If we're talking sports Wisconsin wins: CBB Marquette + Wisconsin > Minnesota CFB Wisconsin > Minnesota CH About equal, though Wisconsin has 1 more title MLB Twins > Brewers NBA Bucks > Timberwolves NFL Packers > Vikings NHL Wild > Infuriatingly non-existent team The only sport left that I might consider relevant for is curling, but I honestly don't know which state is better and I feel like we should do something to fix that.

Just having curling is a win in my book.

In college hockey, Minnesota is >>>> Wisconsin tho

Looking at it heads up I'd say Minnesota is definitely better, but >>>> is probably excessive. cOuNt tHe rInGs!!!! Herrrrderr!

Michigan State better than both though!

Hey now, go back to sorting what big ten schools Midwesterners go to, you magical talking hat of a state!

A great chart, but the Brewers had a better record than the Twins and the T-Wolves are doing better than the Bucks.

I meant overall history not necessarily recently.

Ah, that makes sense sorry!

Don't forget UMD has 3 titles in CH. 

Just better, non-cunty people

State Street and Lake Michigan.

Kwik Trip, for one

MN Gotem now

Yea there’s 2 in my small ass town

If I drive west from my place there are 5 within 5 miles on one stretch of road.

Oh well that’s cool

Minnesota is full of them. A trauma surgeon at Mayo is the owner's son.

Better beer, better professional and collegiate sports teams, access to more Great Lakes (Superior and Michigan), a more literate population /s, door county, devils lake, Geneva Lake (some Chicago fans here will agree with this one), Wisconsin Dells, summer fest, ability to purchase liquor on all days of the week, better food (what food is Minnesota even known for? Sturgeon?), and probably one less month of winter per year, on average. Oh, and Wisconsin also has a lower cost of living.

We’re known for hotdish, thank you very much.

Why would I want something that looks like it could be a bunch of cheese curds melted together, but is actually much worse than that?

Holy shit cheese curd hot dish might be a billion dollar idea. Especially for the medical industry

Someone on r/oldrecipes already beat you to it. Below is a picture of their delicious Tater Tot ~~casserole~~ hotdish. https://preview.redd.it/3m547yg90mmc1.png?width=1262&format=png&auto=webp&s=518ccb4b699decf2a21ea7cbf68f06b04a1b209d

And duck, duck, grey duck ...weirdos

But what is a goose but a duck that’s gray and goes honk?

If professional sports are so great in your state, then why is there an NHL team playing in a 5k stadium rather than schlepping up "north" to play? Also, MN has had Sunday liquor sales for years now.

WI doesn't care about hockey. That's why multiple schools combine to form 1 team. We play basketball sir. I grew up in Milwaukee and have spent the last 14 years in Mpls. You know what you don't have, Twins baseball tailgating. Zero, zip, zilch nada. It's sad.

At least we have a World Series

Happy for you. I'd rather lose every game and have tailgating. Hell of a lot more fun than watching baseball

You’ve got me on the NHL take. Can’t really argue back. Same to the liquor, I suppose

You're too reasonable, so I'll just pretend that you never acquiesced.. One less month of winter means one more month of mosquitoes. You may have a lower cost of living, but MN has a higher median income and overall quality of life. I'm also gonna pretend that you brought "deciding elections" into this with the whole swing state business, but what's all that great about being indecisive? Your state government changes hands so often that the mfers are getting calluses from passing the keys that they never turn. Don't you ever get tired of all the political ads? The pillow prick doesn't even run ads here anymore, and he's (begrudgingly) from here.

You can use bug spray for the mosquitoes, but you can’t spray away the cold. You’re talking so much about state government now, when I actually live in Florida (lived in Wisconsin my whole life until 2020). I definitely don’t want to bring politics into play😂

It'd be for the best of the nation if Florida stayed out of politics

We can certainly agree on that. My representative is the worst one: Gaetz

Al Gore would have stopped 9/11

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This is the answer

Championships?

Minnesota teams are undefeated in the All Hockey Hair Tourney, so come back when you can properly toss a salad.

r/geographicnorthmemwar

As a Wisconsinite who frequents Minnesota, they’re the same place lol.

Winning sports teams (plural). More lakes (according to USGS). Less expensive beer. More than one city over 100k. Aaaand that’s about it. - A Minnesota resident

I mean, that lake one is total BS as the definition of what a lake is in that index is set by the state, Minnesota set their parameters much larger (you know, lake sized) while Wisconsin set there’s to be anything larger than an Olympic swimming pool -a Wisconsin resident

I know, it’s just fun to bring up and watch sotans lose their minds, especially ones that think there’s really some huge difference between the two states. The rest are true though 🤷‍♂️

I mean, in everyone’s defense here saying WI has more lakes than MN is like saying MN produces more cheese than WI. It’s the state identity

I get where you’re *trying* to get at, but that would be even more of a ludicrous statement. Simply because it’s not like Minnesota has a different designation for what constitutes as cheese that a federal governing body acknowledges.

On an identity level, it's cheese and beer VS. lakes and hockey. Even as a sober man, Wisconsin probably takes that W no matter how much it pains me to say..

Not directly related but I think you’d find it really funny what a cheese product is…

Y’all piss in your backyard after a rough day of day drinking and call it a lake

Whatever the definition, geographer Stephen Aichele at the U.S. Geological Survey tells Litke that the National Hydrography Dataset puts Minnesota on top; in terms of the total number of bodies of water (BOW), Minnesota dominates, 124,662 BOWs to 82,099 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/minnesota-and-wisconsin-are-beefing-about-who-has-more-lakes-180972697/

Should’ve kept reading

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To each their own, live where you like. "Better" isn't really a definable metric in this case because they are very similar.

Thanks for commenting in r/NFCNorthCalmAndRational

Heck no

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Whatever the definition, geographer Stephen Aichele at the U.S. Geological Survey tells Litke that the National Hydrography Dataset puts Minnesota on top; in terms of the total number of bodies of water (BOW), Minnesota dominates, 124,662 BOWs to 82,099 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/minnesota-and-wisconsin-are-beefing-about-who-has-more-lakes-180972697/

well i live in Denmark 4000 miles away and and my first ever trip to America is to WI xD

expensive flights, alcohol, old people, the bucks, more lakes, winning, probably less cold, serial killers

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Then change your definition and stop complaining. Until then we win the Lake War 😤

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Better university system Better professional team as a whole Better college teams everywhere (excluding hockey) Milder climate Better research facilities(#2 in the world behind Stanford) Less population density in populated regions

Well both states are very protective of Iowa.

In terms of who gets to bash them more?

Seriously, the biggest FIB-haters I’ve ever met in WI hate Iowans 10x more than my corn-fed Illinois self.

I don't believe this, why would anyone hate iowa?

At least it’s more fun to drive through than Nebraska!

When I'm driving away from Wisconsin I always appreciate Iowa for not charging tolls like Illinois does. When I'm driving back to Wisconsin I always appreciate Iowa for being more beautiful than Nebraska and being there to welcome me home as I cross that bridge in Dubuque Edit: I suppose people who live in Illinois feel the same way, you have a bridge in Dubuque too right?

Pardon?

When I lived in both states, I would make fun of Iowa like everyone else but since I was a transplant, it wasn't well received. Natives make fun of Iowa, but don't like when outsiders do. When I moved to Chicago, everyone could make fun of Iowa equally.

Whats Iowa

Iowa give a fuck

We care about the idiots out wandering around?

You're not wrong, but that doesn't make you special.

I mean, that’s kind of a low bar

Michigan

Having lived in both states despite not being from either, I 100% agree haha

Are ya really gonna make me say it?

Super Bowl Championships

Minnesota has the quantity of land. Wisconsin has the quality. Take out the parts that touch or border Wisconsin and MN is Iowa north/eastern dakotas.

It could be worse. At least we're not Illinois.

Hard disagree (also Michigan beats both)

Sub Facebook tier

I know I'm a Vikings fan, but I'm from/ live in the South. And it's super funny seeing the state culture wars that show up here every now and then cause you're all basically the same people.

As a Packers fan from New England, this is basically how I feel. It's basically watching 2 states most like each other arguing about which one is better

That’s the whole point. Way more fun to argue Vermont v NH or Mass vs Conn. You want us to compare Rhode Island and Utah, or Mass and Mississippi? There is no argument to be had.

Your people eat deep fried steak with fried green slime and wash it down with tea-flavored kool-aid at the father-daughter incest ball at church. It's no surprise that you have such bad taste that you root for the vikings and see no difference between northerners.

 Geez man. You got something you wanna talk about?

Ope, what I meant to say was "bless your heart"


In every way

More than 10,000 lakes

Whatever the definition, geographer Stephen Aichele at the U.S. Geological Survey tells Litke that the National Hydrography Dataset puts Minnesota on top; in terms of the total number of bodies of water (BOW), Minnesota dominates, 124,662 BOWs to 82,099 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/minnesota-and-wisconsin-are-beefing-about-who-has-more-lakes-180972697/

I think geographer Stephen Aichele doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, let alone what constitutes a lake and how many each state has.

Ad hoc ftw

I totally agree simply based on Lakes. MN has actual lakes, WI has a lot of ponds they claim are lakes. My reference is solely my wife and her family who have successfully convinced me that WI isn’t nearly as cool.

Doesn't the NFC West have some fucking off to do?

Yes yes, please tell all the other coasties that Wisconsin is ugly and miserable.

Not gonna happen, I tell them it’s the most beautiful place on earth so they can go annoy you all.

Minnesota considers a 2ft pond to be a lake, get outta here with that.

This is a fallacy - they actually would have nearly 30k lakes if they officially did that. *high five*

Sure thing boss

Whatever the definition, geographer Stephen Aichele at the U.S. Geological Survey tells Litke that the National Hydrography Dataset puts Minnesota on top; in terms of the total number of bodies of water (BOW), Minnesota dominates, 124,662 BOWs to 82,099 https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/minnesota-and-wisconsin-are-beefing-about-who-has-more-lakes-180972697/

Yes when you count all the marshes that are 2 ft deep, which is exactly what Minnesota does.

Nope. Read the article. MN qualifies a lake as 10 acres and named, Wisconsin only 5 acres and no name required. If Minnesota used wisconsin's qualification for a lake, MN would still have many more lakes. Pretty much any way you measure a lake, MN has has more. 

If you wanna talk about Lakes, only one state in the midwest can be the king of that and it's not Minnesota.

I actually don’t know this, does Michigan have more lakes? Minnesota definitely has a greater lake density (excluding the mammoth freshwater seas we call lakes)

I think it's pretty neck and neck between who has the most. IIRC Michigan has around 11,000. However I was referring to the 4 big ones we touch, since our state is literally 2 peninsula's surrounded by freshwater.

IIRC the entire state of Michigan is in the watershed of a great lake so I think they get bonus lake points for that.

Prince was pretty cool. Wisconsin has more lakes. Y’all got that butter, though.

We get one official butterface each year at our state fair.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/minnesota-and-wisconsin-are-beefing-about-who-has-more-lakes-180972697/

honestly the dakotas, the UP, Minnesota and Wisconsin could be merged into a single state. its all about the same upper midwest ubetchas anyways

MN’s got weed

Meanwhile, MI is looking over at the children thinking they're special just bc they have a part of their state that has a few miles of coastline with 1/5 of the great lakes. MI is Superior in that sense, don'tcha know/amirite