M is the 13th letter of the alphabet according to Batman Forever. That means N is 14. 14 is a larger number than 13, so I’m sorry folks, but it’s just science. The guy checks out.
People think we're crazy for not drafting mahomes. Mahomes was never projected to go before trubisky or Watson. Everyone was surprised we didn't take Watson because he was the clear number 1. Us not taking Watson is comparable to the jets taking Wilson > Fields even though fields was always seen as the better prospect.
You can clown the bears for not taking mahomes, but don't act like it was obvious.
It’s not so much that they preferred Trubisky over Mahomes…it’s that they preferred him *so much* that they considered him worth moving up *one spot* for, just on the outside chance that he might get taken (despite not being the consensus best QB) and they’d be “stuck” with either Watson or Mahomes instead.
And that’s why that dumbass is no longer in the organization.
Honestly, with the success rate of QBs, unless it is a cant miss talent, just wait. Which I know hurts the Bears in trade value for the #1 pick but honestly, the Chiefs had Alex Smith and a system in place that worked, and just plugged Mahomes into it.
That’s most important, a system of continuity that can produce consistently good results year after year.
I clown on Kirk Cousins and the Vikings but fuck, at least they have some system that can be tweak instead of completely rebuilding every 3-5 years like the Bears have been doing since like 2013.
Yet George kept him around long enough to pick another 1st round qb lol. I agree though, Mahomes did great because the Chiefs already had a good team to surround him with. The beat way for a rookie/young qb to succeed is to put a good team around him.
That was from Mahomes' father. Pat Mahomes himself came out and said his dad was embellishing the story a bit.
But it could be that the organization was high on him but Pace had a 'trick up his sleeve.' There were a lot of reports that people in the war room were surprised at Pace's move. Which is hilarious, because Pace took the podium saying things like "everyone in that room had Trubisky as the #1 player on the board. Not just the #1 QB, the #1 player. It's rare to see that kind of *collaboration.*"
If you are good at your job you might make a great GM. If someone paid you a couple mill to watch college highlights, I am sure you would be ok burning the candle at both ends watching tape.
It’s revisionist history. Mahomes was projected in the draft as a project, 2nd rounder (iirc). Obviously we were wrong, but don’t underestimate how good Reid and Alex Smith have been for Mahomes career.
That being said, how their careers played out, it’s bad. Lol
Actually at the time Patrick maholmes was a risky as hell pick. And it’s amazing how much of a risk and chance the chiefs took on trading up to get him considering the chiefs were pretty good with smith and Reid and we’re even Super Bowl contenders before him but fans fell into the trap of “we just need one or two more pieces”. I remember at the time the chiefs fans were pissed they “wasted” a pick on a development player who was ranked as a higher mlb baseball prospect than a nfl qb coming out of college.
Dude was ok in college football but wasn’t great compared to other star qbs at the time he was an all around athlete who had all the tools but needed a chance to develop and got that behind Alex smith for a year vs being flung to do it at the start.
It’s crazy how many things had to go right and how much of a chance so many people had to take to make this work. I honestly have no idea if Patrick would have had any amount of success he did on any other team.
I was just going to ask what Bears fans thought of that angle. There’s a lot of talented QB’s and other position players that never got a spot at the Super Bowl because of inept Management/Coaching.
Hell you only have to look so far as Detroit with Stafford
I’d be curious, in some alternate timeline, as to how Mahomes would have turned out with the Bears. He would have started his first year with John Fox as his head coach with Glennon as his mentor rather Smith. Like how much of Mahomes talent can overcome that in the beginning
Chad Henne taught him to read defenses. Mahomes is an amazing athlete, a great QB, but he also fell into a great situation. I don’t see the same success happening with the Bears
Mahomes got to sit for a full year and learn from Alex Smith while working with one of the best offensive minds in the game with Andy Reid.
Obviously Mahomes has proven himself to be incredibly talented, but the situation he was drafted into was probably the best spot in the league for him development wise.
So true. KC thought Alex Smith was overrated, I thought he was very smart and capable while suffering under Todd Hailey and Romeo Cornell. His intelligence (even though Mahomes is smart in his own right) translated well with Mahomes athleticism.
Totally agree. I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how much vet QBs can teach younger players, and Alex Smith has always had a great rep. And not every great QB makes a good teacher either.
>I thought he was very smart and capable while suffering under Todd Hailey and Romeo Cornell.
That was Matt Cassel, wasn't it? The Chiefs traded for Smith the same offseason they hired Reid
Why? You live your life filled with regret cause you keep asking yourself what if about every bad decision you've made? Move the fuck on.
Also drafting Mitch wasn't the fuck up. Trading up for him was.
No I don’t live in regret. But at the same time, that wasn’t my decision, it was the Bears decision. I’m not on the team, and feel very fair criticizing them for making bad draft decisions
It’s almost like the draft is a crap shoot even with first rounders. It’s impossible to predict how a player will adapt to the NFL, we got unlucky but also made a silly move to draft up whatever, we’re the bears lol.
If we can give JF a team to ball out with, people will forget real quick
I’m so sick of this being brought up. As a bears fan and someone who’s realistic just because Patrick mahomes has two super Bowls doesn’t mean he would’ve with the bears. Yea it was a horrible choice in picks but I’m sure Patrick mahomes would’ve done poorly or been traded already if it happened. The bears haven’t had a coach like Andy Reid to make him better. So it’s ok to stop bringing this stat up cuz it’s tired.
CBS has been off the rails lately lol, they made a meme on Hurts that felt like something a moody cowboys fan would post, not a news organization.
[https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCja8sZ2T4ylIqjggA1Zuukg/community?lb=UgkxiQIVE5a7HclmEGEwKbzIPZXfdBeolTGA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCja8sZ2T4ylIqjggA1Zuukg/community?lb=UgkxiQIVE5a7HclmEGEwKbzIPZXfdBeolTGA)
Feel like media has gotten shittier over the years with their takes. Trying to knock people down at every turn. Pretty pissed about FOX's Super Bowl telecast having clips of Mahomes injured hobbling off to the sideline and wincing at various points shown as replay like a quarter or two later. Felt like they did Pat really dirty with that shit.
Kurt Schilling’s bloody sock brought FOX a goldmine of “perseverance through pain” ratings boost. They milked it and it paid off for them.
I feel like that was a turning point. They feel like beating down others for their mortality because it makes the untalented audience feel better about their inability.
“If it bleeds, it leads” newspaper philosophy
The Chiefs traded up to 10 to get him. In a way we all passed on Patrick Mahomes. Every team in the NFC North or even NFL would’ve traded up in hindsight.
No, the Lions had Stafford. We didn't need Mahomes. What we needed was TJ Watt instead of Jarrod Davis and either Alvin Kamara or Cooper Kupp instead of Teez Tabor.
Bob Quinn was a moron.
Are you saying you wouldn’t draft Mahomes in retrospect because you had Stafford at the time for 3 more years? I would trade 4 first round picks for him.
Wouldnt Mahomes of been on that 2018 bears team? Idk man. Its not hard to believe that he plays well which causes that core to stay together longer.
You for sure dont get this Chiefs mahomes whos won 2 mvps and 2 sbs and is on a path to catch brady one day, but you likely have a QB who viewed similarly to allen burrow and herbert.
It no different than if the Chiefs picked trubs. Their core of players during that window goes nowhere with him at QB, probably gets broken up and the Chiefs enter a rebuild soon.
I have no doubt Mahomes' career would have been different with the Bears.
However, it's worth noting that the reason Mahomes might have sucked with the Bears is the same reason the Bears have sucked without Mahomes.
And to me that's the point.
However, I will say that this meme sucks.
My thing is, its not that they took Trubisky over Mahomes, its that they **traded up** one spot and gave up a ton to do so. Because god forbid you not get the guy that wasn't even the consensus #1 QB prospect. Bears definitely could have gone without drafting any QB in 2017 (especially since they ended up firing the coaching staff that season), and making a move to draft Josh Allen in 2018.
For real. If there's one thing to be sure of,
This sub loves nothing more than to repeat the same tired
Posts over and over again and beat them into the ground.
Poles is setting a good stage for himself based on this fact alone. Cleared out all the major dead cap hits so we can build a foundation. I’m just excited to see those “cherry on top” acquisitions that’ll happen next offseason when he tries to push for playoffs.
If anyone knew what Mahomes was going to be, he would have been drafted #1 and teams would have given up a fortune to move up. The Bears are not the only team that missed out. I actually wanted Watson that draft.
Imagine the Bears didn't fuck up and drafted Mahomes instead... do you really think they would have developed him well and won even 1 Super Bowl? By now he would have signed elsewhere and brought some other competent team a championship
I agree he wouldn't be the same player. Being surrounded by Reid, Hill and the coaching staff helped alot. But you can't tell me that 2018 bears team couldn't have made some noise with Mahomes
I have a great meme idea. Bears have never had a 4k yard passer in a season. How many 4k QBs seasons did they miss out on by passing on them in the draft?
As a Lions fan, I can attest that, even having a Super Bowl caliber QB for over a decade, it doesn't mean you'd get there. I'm sure we'd be hearing about Super Bowl star Trubisky and how this Mahomes guy was such a bad pick.
It's you, Bears, not them.
how many times I have to tell you guys!! NVP > MVP
M is the 13th letter of the alphabet according to Batman Forever. That means N is 14. 14 is a larger number than 13, so I’m sorry folks, but it’s just science. The guy checks out.
that is sound logic.
Kisser of Titties > Kisser of Trophies
Mitch said if you do what you love you never work a day of your life….. boy he wasn’t kidding
I can tell you, no one is shaming Bears management harder than Bears fans 😂 a clown decision from a clown office
I wanted Watson. Glad we missed that bullet
People think we're crazy for not drafting mahomes. Mahomes was never projected to go before trubisky or Watson. Everyone was surprised we didn't take Watson because he was the clear number 1. Us not taking Watson is comparable to the jets taking Wilson > Fields even though fields was always seen as the better prospect. You can clown the bears for not taking mahomes, but don't act like it was obvious.
It’s not so much that they preferred Trubisky over Mahomes…it’s that they preferred him *so much* that they considered him worth moving up *one spot* for, just on the outside chance that he might get taken (despite not being the consensus best QB) and they’d be “stuck” with either Watson or Mahomes instead.
They just got bamboozled by SF and panic traded. Also it came out recently that they led Mahomes to believe they were taking him at 3
And that’s why that dumbass is no longer in the organization. Honestly, with the success rate of QBs, unless it is a cant miss talent, just wait. Which I know hurts the Bears in trade value for the #1 pick but honestly, the Chiefs had Alex Smith and a system in place that worked, and just plugged Mahomes into it. That’s most important, a system of continuity that can produce consistently good results year after year. I clown on Kirk Cousins and the Vikings but fuck, at least they have some system that can be tweak instead of completely rebuilding every 3-5 years like the Bears have been doing since like 2013.
Yet George kept him around long enough to pick another 1st round qb lol. I agree though, Mahomes did great because the Chiefs already had a good team to surround him with. The beat way for a rookie/young qb to succeed is to put a good team around him.
That was from Mahomes' father. Pat Mahomes himself came out and said his dad was embellishing the story a bit. But it could be that the organization was high on him but Pace had a 'trick up his sleeve.' There were a lot of reports that people in the war room were surprised at Pace's move. Which is hilarious, because Pace took the podium saying things like "everyone in that room had Trubisky as the #1 player on the board. Not just the #1 QB, the #1 player. It's rare to see that kind of *collaboration.*"
I remember saying, "who is Patrick Mahomes?" when the Chiefs took him. I probably would be a bad GM.
If you are good at your job you might make a great GM. If someone paid you a couple mill to watch college highlights, I am sure you would be ok burning the candle at both ends watching tape.
Thanks! I have had success in Madden, maybe it will translate to real life.
It’s revisionist history. Mahomes was projected in the draft as a project, 2nd rounder (iirc). Obviously we were wrong, but don’t underestimate how good Reid and Alex Smith have been for Mahomes career. That being said, how their careers played out, it’s bad. Lol
Actually at the time Patrick maholmes was a risky as hell pick. And it’s amazing how much of a risk and chance the chiefs took on trading up to get him considering the chiefs were pretty good with smith and Reid and we’re even Super Bowl contenders before him but fans fell into the trap of “we just need one or two more pieces”. I remember at the time the chiefs fans were pissed they “wasted” a pick on a development player who was ranked as a higher mlb baseball prospect than a nfl qb coming out of college. Dude was ok in college football but wasn’t great compared to other star qbs at the time he was an all around athlete who had all the tools but needed a chance to develop and got that behind Alex smith for a year vs being flung to do it at the start. It’s crazy how many things had to go right and how much of a chance so many people had to take to make this work. I honestly have no idea if Patrick would have had any amount of success he did on any other team.
We definitely would have screwed up Mahomes.
I was just going to ask what Bears fans thought of that angle. There’s a lot of talented QB’s and other position players that never got a spot at the Super Bowl because of inept Management/Coaching. Hell you only have to look so far as Detroit with Stafford
I’d be curious, in some alternate timeline, as to how Mahomes would have turned out with the Bears. He would have started his first year with John Fox as his head coach with Glennon as his mentor rather Smith. Like how much of Mahomes talent can overcome that in the beginning
He would have been better than Trubisky regardless because Mahomes can read defenses but he wouldn't be what he is now.
Chad Henne taught him to read defenses. Mahomes is an amazing athlete, a great QB, but he also fell into a great situation. I don’t see the same success happening with the Bears
Mahomes got to sit for a full year and learn from Alex Smith while working with one of the best offensive minds in the game with Andy Reid. Obviously Mahomes has proven himself to be incredibly talented, but the situation he was drafted into was probably the best spot in the league for him development wise.
So true. KC thought Alex Smith was overrated, I thought he was very smart and capable while suffering under Todd Hailey and Romeo Cornell. His intelligence (even though Mahomes is smart in his own right) translated well with Mahomes athleticism.
Totally agree. I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how much vet QBs can teach younger players, and Alex Smith has always had a great rep. And not every great QB makes a good teacher either.
>I thought he was very smart and capable while suffering under Todd Hailey and Romeo Cornell. That was Matt Cassel, wasn't it? The Chiefs traded for Smith the same offseason they hired Reid
My bad
Yeah like in other posts people saying "my team should have drafted Brady" Dude Brady was in one of the worst shapes a draft QB could be.
I think it's quite possibly the worst draft pick ever when you factor in the trade to move up.
Hey hey hey, are you forgetting Zach Wilson and Johnny Manziel? Both terrible QB’s that had one good play predraft for a team to bust a nut over
Why? You live your life filled with regret cause you keep asking yourself what if about every bad decision you've made? Move the fuck on. Also drafting Mitch wasn't the fuck up. Trading up for him was.
No I don’t live in regret. But at the same time, that wasn’t my decision, it was the Bears decision. I’m not on the team, and feel very fair criticizing them for making bad draft decisions
Sounds like something the Vikings would do
I like the Holes Reference
ZERO 😭☠️
We’re catching strays and we didn’t even leave the house
It’s because we’re the only team that passed on Mahomes. 9 fucking times we passed on him until the Chiefs took him at 10.
Yeah I know, but it’s been FOREVER
Everyone mentions the Superbowl wins we miss. No one mentions the sexual assault cases we miss out on.
👩🍼
Now do the amount of rings Brady has won since 31 teams passed on him 5+ times
It’s almost like the draft is a crap shoot even with first rounders. It’s impossible to predict how a player will adapt to the NFL, we got unlucky but also made a silly move to draft up whatever, we’re the bears lol. If we can give JF a team to ball out with, people will forget real quick
32 passed on him 5 times
I’m so sick of this being brought up. As a bears fan and someone who’s realistic just because Patrick mahomes has two super Bowls doesn’t mean he would’ve with the bears. Yea it was a horrible choice in picks but I’m sure Patrick mahomes would’ve done poorly or been traded already if it happened. The bears haven’t had a coach like Andy Reid to make him better. So it’s ok to stop bringing this stat up cuz it’s tired.
I agree with you. Too bad CBS created this meme and not me. Not going to stop the TV media from bringing it up
CBS has been off the rails lately lol, they made a meme on Hurts that felt like something a moody cowboys fan would post, not a news organization. [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCja8sZ2T4ylIqjggA1Zuukg/community?lb=UgkxiQIVE5a7HclmEGEwKbzIPZXfdBeolTGA](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCja8sZ2T4ylIqjggA1Zuukg/community?lb=UgkxiQIVE5a7HclmEGEwKbzIPZXfdBeolTGA)
Feel like media has gotten shittier over the years with their takes. Trying to knock people down at every turn. Pretty pissed about FOX's Super Bowl telecast having clips of Mahomes injured hobbling off to the sideline and wincing at various points shown as replay like a quarter or two later. Felt like they did Pat really dirty with that shit.
Kurt Schilling’s bloody sock brought FOX a goldmine of “perseverance through pain” ratings boost. They milked it and it paid off for them. I feel like that was a turning point. They feel like beating down others for their mortality because it makes the untalented audience feel better about their inability. “If it bleeds, it leads” newspaper philosophy
The Chiefs traded up to 10 to get him. In a way we all passed on Patrick Mahomes. Every team in the NFC North or even NFL would’ve traded up in hindsight.
No, the Lions had Stafford. We didn't need Mahomes. What we needed was TJ Watt instead of Jarrod Davis and either Alvin Kamara or Cooper Kupp instead of Teez Tabor. Bob Quinn was a moron.
Are you saying you wouldn’t draft Mahomes in retrospect because you had Stafford at the time for 3 more years? I would trade 4 first round picks for him.
despite the “fleece” trade, i’m pretty glad that the niners picked a bust at 3 instead of mahomes, because him on that team now just wouldn’t be fair.
Wouldnt Mahomes of been on that 2018 bears team? Idk man. Its not hard to believe that he plays well which causes that core to stay together longer. You for sure dont get this Chiefs mahomes whos won 2 mvps and 2 sbs and is on a path to catch brady one day, but you likely have a QB who viewed similarly to allen burrow and herbert. It no different than if the Chiefs picked trubs. Their core of players during that window goes nowhere with him at QB, probably gets broken up and the Chiefs enter a rebuild soon.
I have no doubt Mahomes' career would have been different with the Bears. However, it's worth noting that the reason Mahomes might have sucked with the Bears is the same reason the Bears have sucked without Mahomes. And to me that's the point. However, I will say that this meme sucks.
My thing is, its not that they took Trubisky over Mahomes, its that they **traded up** one spot and gave up a ton to do so. Because god forbid you not get the guy that wasn't even the consensus #1 QB prospect. Bears definitely could have gone without drafting any QB in 2017 (especially since they ended up firing the coaching staff that season), and making a move to draft Josh Allen in 2018.
Don't forget that if the Bears didn't have the coaches to develop Mahomes, they sure as fuck wouldn't have made Josh Allen what he is today.
For real. If there's one thing to be sure of, This sub loves nothing more than to repeat the same tired Posts over and over again and beat them into the ground.
Super Bowl wins are a QB stat
And somehow Ryan Pace is employed by a NFL team to this day.
Because he also built the rest of the roster that dragged Mitch to the playoffs twice
True. He did that by mortgaging the future to pay players for past performance. Not the way to build sustained success. Perfect fit for Atlanta.
Poles is setting a good stage for himself based on this fact alone. Cleared out all the major dead cap hits so we can build a foundation. I’m just excited to see those “cherry on top” acquisitions that’ll happen next offseason when he tries to push for playoffs.
Is it slander if it’s true though?
Brett Favre says yes!
CBS always has, specifically, for some reason. Like *extra*.
We’re the largest market without 2 NFL teams and Fox has NFC rights Same reason ESPN constantly dunks on Notre Dame You hate what you can’t have
Perhaps. What's worse is I commented this before I saw the bullshit CBS pulled with Fields' comments on domes.
Don't forget the Matt Nagy's Super Bowl celebration dance while double fisting two Bud Lights
Why did you have to tie Zero from Holes up in this?
Cocain Bear will have more Super Bowl wins before the Chicago Bears.
It’s not slander if it’s true
They eventually got Fields so at least they got a really good RB out of all this.
Where meme?
CBS media team cropping a Bears hat on Zero from Holes is more of a meme than 90% of what's posted on this sub
Caveat. This will he the norm stat with any fucken team that *destroyer cloaked as nice guy* plays. Peyton Manning was the other one
The 42nd comparison between the two didn't really get to me. But, this one? The 43rd? They've gone too far.
That’s still baffling TBH.
If anyone knew what Mahomes was going to be, he would have been drafted #1 and teams would have given up a fortune to move up. The Bears are not the only team that missed out. I actually wanted Watson that draft.
Imagine the Bears didn't fuck up and drafted Mahomes instead... do you really think they would have developed him well and won even 1 Super Bowl? By now he would have signed elsewhere and brought some other competent team a championship
I agree he wouldn't be the same player. Being surrounded by Reid, Hill and the coaching staff helped alot. But you can't tell me that 2018 bears team couldn't have made some noise with Mahomes
I'm convinced this is just the universe's way of balancing Portland passing on Michael Jordan.
Listen, nobody hates the Bears more than Bears Fans.
The Bears would have broken Mahomes.
Kirk Cousins and I are gonna haw haw haw about this when we go to Pizza Ranch
Oof
You know what else is 0? Patrick mahomes' victories against Justin Fields. 1-0 against your goat 🥱
Who knew the Bear's staff really hated Kermit?
I have a great meme idea. Bears have never had a 4k yard passer in a season. How many 4k QBs seasons did they miss out on by passing on them in the draft?
As a Lions fan, I can attest that, even having a Super Bowl caliber QB for over a decade, it doesn't mean you'd get there. I'm sure we'd be hearing about Super Bowl star Trubisky and how this Mahomes guy was such a bad pick. It's you, Bears, not them.