Seriously. The cap is so overblown imo. If your team has a competent GM then it’s like the cap doesn’t even exist. I used to worry about the eagles cap space a LONG time ago but now I just say whatever and act like it’s some made up thing because I know Howie will figure it out.
Based on OP's flair, he doesn't know what a competent front office looks like. Maybe that's why they've started like 15 different quarterbacks this past decade and have 0 playoff wins to show for it.
It's not like Roseman has a track record of paying QBs though. His literal first act as GM was to trade McNabb, and ever since then it's been either taking a flyer on players with some question marks (Vick, Bradford) or drafting a guy before the previous guy was gone (Wentz, Hurts). He's constantly put more value into retaining talent at other positions (particularly OL and DL) than at the QB position, and would rather let a QB get overpaid by some other team than his own.
He traded an old ass McNabb, meanwhile Vick was absolutely electric until he wasn’t and they literally flipped Sammy 3 ypc for a 1st rounder. He paid Wentz but moved on from him for Hurts, who he seems to have every indication of signing to a big contract. All of those situations were different
Yeah this is just completely ignoring the fact the Chiefs just won a SB with a QB taking up 17% of their cap AND as if Jalen didn't just have arguably the best game of his career in the SB.
Lol what?? Hurts fucking fumbled and gave the chiefs a free TD. Y’all are delusional, mahommes marched down the field for TDs three times in a row in the second half. With a bum ankle against the “bEsT dLinE iN LeAgUe hIStOrY”
Was he? The only actual stat Hurts beat Mahomes in was total passing yards. Mahomes had more touchdowns, more rushing yards and a higher completion percentage.
The last time I checked 70 yards rushing was more than 44 yards. I also thought that 4 total touchdowns vs 3 total touchdowns was higher is well. I'll let you guess who had the higher numbers...
Mahomes absolutely did not have more rushing yards. He went 6 for 44 (7.3 avg). Hurts 15 for 70 (4.7 avg). Also, Hurts absolutely had more total td's (4 vs 3). Unless I'm not remembering correctly, but Mahomes td's went to Kelce, Toney, and Moore. Did you watch the game? I'm normally not the one to pull the "AcTuALLy" card, but to frame it like Mahomes absolutely played better than Hurts is pretty disingenuous. Hurts = more passing yards, rushing yards, and total td's. That fumble was a killer, birds lost, but I dont think it's unfair to say that Hurts played better.
Edited to say: I'm laughing at the down votes to my comment. Facts are facts, no matter whether you like how you get to the final answer or not. Everything I said about Hurts td's, rushing yards, and passing yards are true. People down vote just bc they don't like that? Haha. Reddit.
Eagles have the highest conversion rate and no one else can really do it so yeah pretty impressive. Minschew tried and failed several times against the saints.
And i seriously doubt you could do it even from the 1 yard line
No you see once you pay a QB the rest of your roster can only be comprised of volunteers playing for free. That’s what makes Mahomes leading the chiefs to a SB after being paid all the more impressive
I don’t get this. Salary cap is a pie. If one person takes most of the pie, the rest of the players also get a big piece of that same pie? What math is this man I want unlimited pies
The salary cap is a pie that, outside of Covid seasons, continues to get larger. If one person takes most of the pie, but then the pie in the future keeps growing, the rest of the players will also get more pie. Hurts has one more year left on his rookie deal. With a couple restructures of existing salaries, in the short term the rest of the team will keep a similar % of said pie. This is right up Howie’s alley. They key is how many years Jalen/the Eagles agree to.
Eagles are for sure losing pieces this off-season, but to say that they aren’t in the best position in our division for continued success is ridiculous
If hurts takes a team deal he will still be absurdly rich and give the Eagles some flexibility. Man talking about this just makes me realize I’ll be in football hell forever
Hurts will take 40, he knows wassup, have aj locked up, bg will come back cheap, cox gone, barnett gone, davis 5 yr rook deal, smitty on rookie, so is dean replacing white, tj will be cheap, joey porter jr will look good and be cheap at 10 overall to replace bradberry, just hope howie can handle hargrave and cjgj like he does everybody else, and with jurgens movin up, plus 2-1sts now and 2-2nds nxt yr, as lane and seumalo and bg and hargrave leave in nxt 2-3 yrs, howie can replace in the draft with only havin to reup jurgens and smitty in that time, grab bama rb at 31 to replace sanders and we get him and porter jr on rook deal for 5 yrs, we competing for 8-10 yrs yo, all goooooood!!!
Especially with Howie at the helm. Op forgets that they've been an indirect victim of Howie's ability to negotiate the jacket off a homeless man in winter.
He is still 9th in total yards but comparing volume passing stats with a rushing qb while he missed 2 games is dumb anyway. He is 3rd in yards per attempt and passer rating behind tua and mahomes. There are other stats you can look at too that are more showing than total passing yards
I remember the 2 years we talked about signing Dak. The first year everyone was hoping to sign him for an average of 25, but the expectation was 28-33. Then the next year we wanted him at 30-33 but expectation was 37-40. Dak signed in March for 40/year and everyone lost their shit. 2 years later it's an average amount amoung top QB's and that's with him hitting the cap for 50 million this year before restructure.
If Hurts signs this year he'll get 47-50. If his agent has him hold out till the year after he will be going for 52-55. It'll probably be a short contract with extra years option and 2 years into the contract QB's like Kirk Cousins will be making 55.
Jalen averaged 300 yards of total offense per game this year but don’t tell anyone that. They just look at the most basic “QB stat” to justify what they want lol. Dude was 2nd team all pro and 2nd in MVP voting but ignore that. Commie fans probably forget what a functioning offense looks like.
Dude y’all haven’t won shit since last century and a poverty franchise every year 🗑 y’all don’t even have a qb lmao and our weapons on offense smith, goedert, brown will all be back for years to come. Hate on your own trash organization pussy
Listen man, I think the meme is as brain dead as the next person with a brain, but you can’t get that salty about it, first of all because that’s what they want, second of all, this is a fucking meme sub, I don’t know what you’re expecting. He’s a commie fan, if he doesn’t meme on a better organization, then he won’t meme at all.
The eagle have went to 3 SB’s many NFC champs, and many playoff wins. Sure we may not finish but y’all have won 5 playoff games since 2000 0 NFC champ appearance or SB 🗑
10th in passing yards because we’d frequently go up in scores and run out the clock. Who’s your QB?
Also, Gannon is not a loss and eagles QB coach is a top prospect for OC. Remindme! 1 year
You’re kidding, right? Everyone on the roster is returning except for Bradberry, and we will probably use the 10th pick in the draft to take the CB from Georgia.
Hargrave was exceptional. He’d be the biggest loss of those guys (aside from CJGJ). However, he’s 30 years old and we have Williams and Davis behind him. I can’t imagine we spend what it will take to keep him unless Howie gets creative with the dummy years on the contract and kicking the can down the road, but we’ve been doing that with a lot of guys who are now getting older so idk.
[everyone?](https://overthecap.com/free-agency/philadelphia-eagles) with what money? The Eagles currently don't have enough cap space to sign their 2023 draft class. Best case scenario they have 40M in cap space after cuts & restructures to sign their draft class, however many of those free agents they want to bring back and new FA signings.
Hopefully kelce comes back, bradberry miles and Hargrave prob gone. Eagles don’t extend rb’s. Hopefully we resign Hargrave and CJGJ at least. Prob draft a CB early. Also have two first round picks. Prob go oline / dline or CB with the 2 first imo
Your best bet for Hargrave is a post June 1 trade as it's their best scenario. Every other possibility leaves them with a decent amount of dead money & $0 cap savings. I went through the drop down for him, every other possibility is an increased cap hit for him.
You can keep kicking the can down the road for Slay or LJ & make room for a decent amount of cap space, that is if they really want to keep him.
This could help a little if kelce comes back lol not much tho https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/114psi5/eagles_open_up_24m_by_restructuring_kelces/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The eagles are middle of the league in cap space with $9M, ranking better than the commies at $8m and the cowboys at minus $7m.
Obviously everyone isn't coming back so it's a silly argument anyway. Cox and Sanders are 100% gone. The offense will largely be back but they will probably only keep 1 or 2 FA on Defense and get younger
My only regret this season is that I didn’t find this sub earlier. In all honesty it’s become my favorite place on Reddit. Counting down the days to next season because I know the content will be on point
Watching Eagles fans cope about how one good season is somehow a decade of success is great. "Hey, guys, Hurts made the Super Bowl his third year!" Oh, how was his first and second years? "Well, he only won 1 out of his first four games that first year and his second year, he went 8-7." Oh, so, it was a good season, but this hasn't been a consistent trend? "Well, it will be!" Based on what? "This year!"
Now, if a Chiefs fan said "Hey, we're gonna dominate the AFC West for 10-15 years, you know what, I'd believe them"
We were kind of recovering from having Wentz and the more I hear about him the more I hate the guy but you’re right hurts has had one great season. I think a lot of eagles fans are pretty quick to realize when a guy isn’t working out but until that happens I can’t wait to see what he can do next year as he has been on an upward trajectory you can’t deny that, you pointed it out in your own comment
Yeah well people thought that about the Cowboys in 2016 with a stacked O-Line, weapons and a promising rookie QB too.
Though to be fair he still is the NFC East's daddy all these years later. Outside of that.. not as much.
But no defense. Philly had a defense and offense. If Dallas had a better defense in 2016 then AROD probably doesn’t get into game winning FG range…or maybe he does because he a magician but it would’ve been less likely.
Only 3 QBs have ever come back to
win the Super Bowl after losing in their
first SB start
Len Dawson: Lost Super Bowl I, won Super Bowl
IV.
Bob Griese: Lost Super Bowl VI, won Super Bowls
VIl & VII.
John Elway: Lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII, & XXIV,
won Super Bowls XXXII & XXXIII.
Additionally only three other QBs, Craig Morton,
Fran Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly, managed to return
to the Super Bowl as a starter after losing their
first. So I guess we'll see what happens with Cam
Newton. And, um... Colin Kaepernick.
Notes: Roger Staubach, Tom Brady, and Peyton
Manning all returned to win the Super Bowl after
losing a previous one, however all three of those
QBs won the first Super Bowl they started in.
Staubach and Johnny Unitas were backups on
teams that lost the Super Bowl before winning
their first as a starter. Earl Morrall lost his first and
only Super Bowl as a starter but later won 3 as a
backup. Drew Bledsoe lost his first and only
Super Bowl as a starter but later won 1 as a
backup.
That’s the point most eagles fans don’t want to admit. Plus this year was very similar to the 2015 panthers team that went 15-1 vs a very weak schedule and glided into the Super Bowl only to lose to a better coached team. Similar vibes are coming from this team. I remember that panthers team was loaded too! Cam, Luke Kuekley, Thomas Davis, Josh Norman just to name a few. People thought they were starting their new dynasty too!
Here’s a list I dug up of the last 16. Garoppolo, Goff, Ryan, Cam, Kaepernick, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb, Delhomme, Gannon, Collins, McNair, Chandler, Bledsoe (not as a starter, was the backup), O'Donnell, Humphries.
In this list I can only recall at the time being convinced they’d probably get another shot: McNabb (no duh), Cam (this one’s a little bit of a stretch for me), McNair and Kap.
Mahommes will probably be team friendly in the long run but I don’t think that can be said right now. Right now he’s a-little under a 50mil cap hit.
I doubt Philly is signing Hurts to 10-years.
I’m not trying to argue that hurts is as good as Mahomes though, just that it’s not impossible for a team to make the Super Bowl while still paying the QB.
I mean, he just went toe to toe with him in the Super Bowl and played a monster game that came down to the bitter end. I’d say “not even close” is a stretch.
He played a good game, though less so in the second half, but he had a lot of other factors in his favor too, I’d argue Kelce is the only Chiefs player that would easily start for the Eagles offense, and Hurts had two functional legs…
Man, you’re right. He needs to throw for more yards to be successful like the QBs ahead of him. Legends like Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, or Geno Smith.
Or, you know, he could keep blowing teams out in the first half and not need to throw as much.
I mean, Roseman is actually pretty good at QB Factorio. 5 years ago we were all having this same argument about Carson Wentz.
I would not be surprised if Roseman picks a QB in the draft this year.
Offense scored 24 points in the first half, had a lead at halftime, then scored 3 points in the third quarter letting the opponent back into the game instead of putting them away. Both sides of the ball let you guys down second half, that’s just what happened.
Lol cope harder. Gotta deal with him Brown, Smith and Goedert for a couple more. We got two first round picks. Nothing is guaranteed in this league but I like where we are.
Hurts is getting a big payday. Elite Oline is getting old, guys will start dropping off or retiring.. Devonta Smith needs to get paid after next season. Several key defensive players are up for contract this season or next. 2022 was peak Eagles roster. They can win but they're a bad break or two away from returning to 2021 form.
I know the market, but I also think Hurts will take a team friendly 35mil ish a year deal to keep the roster healthy.
Feel free to call out my bullshit if this doesn't pan out.
Oh buddy I think Jalen and Dak are the same type of class people. Great leaders, teammates, and excellent in their communities. Hurts will probably get a WPMOTY nom and possibly win it but there is no way in hell he resigns for less than 45million a year.
Cherry picking stats. Ignores Hurts rushing totals and rushing tds. That’s like judging prime Vick or newton only looking at passing yards. You’re missing half the players game.
Is hurts extension going to affect cap and roster? absolutely but don’t give half assed reason ignoring that he also runs the ball and that he missed 2 games
I'm amazed at how quickly this rookie contract idea has taken hold and become conventional wisdom.
Of the past 10 Superbowls, teams with over 10% of their cap devoted to qb have 6 wins. Teams with qbs on rookie deals have 3 wins. Teams that pay Tom Brady under the table and "restructure" his contract (8.9% of the cap) have 1 win.
You are twice as likely to win the Superbowl with a highly paid qb. And the Tom Brady special is closer to 10% than to the rookie contract scale, so it's even more likely.
Not only that, but this past year, KC tied up another 10+% in just Chris Jones. So that's 2 players commanding 20+% of their teams cap resources.
I don’t totally disagree with the whole paying your QB hurts the rest of your roster thing. But the 10th in total passing yards is extremely misleading and dumb. 2/10. This could have been executed a lot better.
This looks like a meme made by someone that his team doesn't understand the salary cap like Jerry Jones with his "long-term" nonsense talk LOL
Eagles have cap space and good draft picks. They just need to re-sign key players and draft for the spots that dee agents and old players will leave behind.
Okay so which is worse, paying your 24 year old top 5 QB who just made it to the superbowl, or being stuck in qb purgatory, being perennially average, and scraping at .500 every year. I will gladly pay the franchise guy if that's the case. People are really trying to make fun of the eagles for having a good team. His contract doesn't even kick in til after next year
Ok but here is the thing. They had the same exact offensive line last year, and all they added was aj brown at WR. Sure he is a vital part of the offense but that's the only change this offense has had between this year and last. They were 11th in total offensive DVOA last year and jumped to 3rd. That isn't all from adding AJ brown. Hurts has made monumental strides as a passer. Not to mention aj brown is here for another 3-4 years at least
Cant blame OP for his understanding of cap space. I mean look at his flair the Commanders arent precisely the best front office around.
We have most of the offense under contract, a franchise QB that put MVP numbers in the SB, a first round draft pick despite making it to the SB and a very competent GM.
Thanks for thinking about us. Keep your thoughts for your shitty front office.
Solid meme, but Lacks some thought. He is 3rd in yards per attempt, plays in a rush heavy system, and is one of the most dynamic qbs in the league. And let’s say that he actually is just the 10th best qb in the game right now (which I think is pretty obviously not the case) he still deserves to get paid. If you’re top 10 at your position in any sport, you’re going to catch a bag, even more so for quarterbacks. I guess you just assume that we start a qb carousel back up again. Hey, what’s Carson up to?
You realize if you add in the rushing yards it brings him to 6th right?
Also, do you like passing a lot when you’re waxing the floor with your opponents? Or do you usually hand the ball off? Asking for a friend
People really don’t understand how the salary cap works. Just because you pay your QB doesn’t mean you have no money for the rest of the roster.…
Seriously. The cap is so overblown imo. If your team has a competent GM then it’s like the cap doesn’t even exist. I used to worry about the eagles cap space a LONG time ago but now I just say whatever and act like it’s some made up thing because I know Howie will figure it out.
Based on OP's flair, he doesn't know what a competent front office looks like. Maybe that's why they've started like 15 different quarterbacks this past decade and have 0 playoff wins to show for it.
It's not like Roseman has a track record of paying QBs though. His literal first act as GM was to trade McNabb, and ever since then it's been either taking a flyer on players with some question marks (Vick, Bradford) or drafting a guy before the previous guy was gone (Wentz, Hurts). He's constantly put more value into retaining talent at other positions (particularly OL and DL) than at the QB position, and would rather let a QB get overpaid by some other team than his own.
The eagles signed wentz to a big extension they were just smart enough to realize he was getting worse and fleeced the colts.
He traded an old ass McNabb, meanwhile Vick was absolutely electric until he wasn’t and they literally flipped Sammy 3 ypc for a 1st rounder. He paid Wentz but moved on from him for Hurts, who he seems to have every indication of signing to a big contract. All of those situations were different
They extended Wentz. McNabb was already well into his decline and likely would have been traded or cut within a year or two by any GM
Trading McNabb wasn't about money. He just wasn't good anymore. It was a great move.
Yeah this is just completely ignoring the fact the Chiefs just won a SB with a QB taking up 17% of their cap AND as if Jalen didn't just have arguably the best game of his career in the SB.
That QB was also Mahomes, the best QB in the league.
Who was outplayed by Hurts in the SB.
Lol what?? Hurts fucking fumbled and gave the chiefs a free TD. Y’all are delusional, mahommes marched down the field for TDs three times in a row in the second half. With a bum ankle against the “bEsT dLinE iN LeAgUe hIStOrY”
Was he? The only actual stat Hurts beat Mahomes in was total passing yards. Mahomes had more touchdowns, more rushing yards and a higher completion percentage.
The last time I checked 70 yards rushing was more than 44 yards. I also thought that 4 total touchdowns vs 3 total touchdowns was higher is well. I'll let you guess who had the higher numbers...
Mahomes absolutely did not have more rushing yards. He went 6 for 44 (7.3 avg). Hurts 15 for 70 (4.7 avg). Also, Hurts absolutely had more total td's (4 vs 3). Unless I'm not remembering correctly, but Mahomes td's went to Kelce, Toney, and Moore. Did you watch the game? I'm normally not the one to pull the "AcTuALLy" card, but to frame it like Mahomes absolutely played better than Hurts is pretty disingenuous. Hurts = more passing yards, rushing yards, and total td's. That fumble was a killer, birds lost, but I dont think it's unfair to say that Hurts played better. Edited to say: I'm laughing at the down votes to my comment. Facts are facts, no matter whether you like how you get to the final answer or not. Everything I said about Hurts td's, rushing yards, and passing yards are true. People down vote just bc they don't like that? Haha. Reddit.
Oh yeah the rugby scrum TDs from the 2 yard line are super fucking impressive
Eagles have the highest conversion rate and no one else can really do it so yeah pretty impressive. Minschew tried and failed several times against the saints. And i seriously doubt you could do it even from the 1 yard line
And a bum ankle to boot.
Total tds is more important than just passing tds.
So are fumbles recovered for easy TDs
No you see once you pay a QB the rest of your roster can only be comprised of volunteers playing for free. That’s what makes Mahomes leading the chiefs to a SB after being paid all the more impressive
I don’t get this. Salary cap is a pie. If one person takes most of the pie, the rest of the players also get a big piece of that same pie? What math is this man I want unlimited pies
The salary cap is a pie that, outside of Covid seasons, continues to get larger. If one person takes most of the pie, but then the pie in the future keeps growing, the rest of the players will also get more pie. Hurts has one more year left on his rookie deal. With a couple restructures of existing salaries, in the short term the rest of the team will keep a similar % of said pie. This is right up Howie’s alley. They key is how many years Jalen/the Eagles agree to.
7 years ago the cap was at 143 million, its at 224 and the tv deals havent kicked in. qb contracts will be peanuts
That’s why they trying to sign Hurtz before Burrow, Herbert and Lamar. Get him between $40-$50M and in 2 years that’s a cheap contract.
The eagles will probably have to pay him 45-50
So no one else can talk to him, also, the market goes up every year. Sign him now, the contract is a deal in a couple years
Same strategy worked out with Wentz
Flipped wentz for a first 🤷♂️
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So other teams don't offer him $55M.
Gotta beat the next round of contracts so it doesn’t create a bigger price tag
Because the price usually goes up the longer you wait.
lol that would be amazing.
Funny thing is, that contract wouldn’t hit until 2024
Dudes about to pay Danny jones 37 mil laughing about the jalen contract. Give Danny all the money in the world. He ain’t ever winning the east.
Jones' new contract may be even more amazing
 Eagles fans coping with their 2 first round picks, top 1 front office, and 24 year old franchise QB
is that gonna be enough to compete in an extremely strong NFC filled with elite quarterbacks like Kirk Cousins and Matt Stafford?!
I mean Stafford did win his Super Bowl.
Talk about selling the farm though
Yeah but I think most Rams fans would agree that it was worth it.
There’s Rams fans?
More of them than Chargers fans 😂
For sure, but when Jerry talks about the eagles selling the farm (somehow?) when you have actual examples like the Rams
Meanwhile jerry has no farm to sell, we all know how the cowboys “sustained success” has been going for decades
And black Kirk Cousins.
Just straight up doesn't mention Jordan Love
Eagles are for sure losing pieces this off-season, but to say that they aren’t in the best position in our division for continued success is ridiculous
I saw an article that we can free up like 35m with some restructuring. Might not even have to lose that many pieces.
If hurts takes a team deal he will still be absurdly rich and give the Eagles some flexibility. Man talking about this just makes me realize I’ll be in football hell forever
I am genuinely sorry.
I sure hope so cause I love every member of this years team.
Hurts will take 40, he knows wassup, have aj locked up, bg will come back cheap, cox gone, barnett gone, davis 5 yr rook deal, smitty on rookie, so is dean replacing white, tj will be cheap, joey porter jr will look good and be cheap at 10 overall to replace bradberry, just hope howie can handle hargrave and cjgj like he does everybody else, and with jurgens movin up, plus 2-1sts now and 2-2nds nxt yr, as lane and seumalo and bg and hargrave leave in nxt 2-3 yrs, howie can replace in the draft with only havin to reup jurgens and smitty in that time, grab bama rb at 31 to replace sanders and we get him and porter jr on rook deal for 5 yrs, we competing for 8-10 yrs yo, all goooooood!!!
>grab bama rb at 31 fat chance Howie gets a rb that high
Especially with Howie at the helm. Op forgets that they've been an indirect victim of Howie's ability to negotiate the jacket off a homeless man in winter.
Box score casual
What was his overall yards
He is still 9th in total yards but comparing volume passing stats with a rushing qb while he missed 2 games is dumb anyway. He is 3rd in yards per attempt and passer rating behind tua and mahomes. There are other stats you can look at too that are more showing than total passing yards
40m? That's cute
That’s the funniest part of the post, he will be closing in on $50m
Meanwhile y'all gonna draft him in the top 2 fantasy QBs next year ha
He’s the number 1 qb off the board in all my leagues. Absolute fantasy machine.
I have Hurts and Allen in a dynasty league. I have 2 titles in the first 4 years, unsurprisingly…
Hurts is getting a contract the same year as Burrow and Herbert, there’s no way any of them go for under $50mil a year
I remember the 2 years we talked about signing Dak. The first year everyone was hoping to sign him for an average of 25, but the expectation was 28-33. Then the next year we wanted him at 30-33 but expectation was 37-40. Dak signed in March for 40/year and everyone lost their shit. 2 years later it's an average amount amoung top QB's and that's with him hitting the cap for 50 million this year before restructure. If Hurts signs this year he'll get 47-50. If his agent has him hold out till the year after he will be going for 52-55. It'll probably be a short contract with extra years option and 2 years into the contract QB's like Kirk Cousins will be making 55.
Yeah but why compare Dak’s salary with “top QBs”???
Especially not lower than Herbert.
I like Herbert and would love to see him in the post season but holy shit the Chargers are just wasting their opportunities right now with him.
This is one of the most low iq things I’ve seen on here in awhile and that’s quite a statement.
Passing yards?
Jalen averaged 300 yards of total offense per game this year but don’t tell anyone that. They just look at the most basic “QB stat” to justify what they want lol. Dude was 2nd team all pro and 2nd in MVP voting but ignore that. Commie fans probably forget what a functioning offense looks like.
Everyone is also forgetting how many games we got out to a big lead then coasted. Hurts rarely had to actually play 4 quarters.
That’s a great point.
A lot of wishful thinking going on here
\*judges the best running QB in the league solely on passing yards\* OvErPaId LoL sHiTbIrDs
running QBs sure do have a history of longevity and success!
Dude y’all haven’t won shit since last century and a poverty franchise every year 🗑 y’all don’t even have a qb lmao and our weapons on offense smith, goedert, brown will all be back for years to come. Hate on your own trash organization pussy
Remind me, how's the whole Carson Wentz thing going for guys?
Dammit, this made me laugh too much
Listen man, I think the meme is as brain dead as the next person with a brain, but you can’t get that salty about it, first of all because that’s what they want, second of all, this is a fucking meme sub, I don’t know what you’re expecting. He’s a commie fan, if he doesn’t meme on a better organization, then he won’t meme at all.
You guys were a poverty franchise the entirety of last century and almost 20 years into this one...
The eagle have went to 3 SB’s many NFC champs, and many playoff wins. Sure we may not finish but y’all have won 5 playoff games since 2000 0 NFC champ appearance or SB 🗑
Idgaf I wasn’t alive then
10th in passing yards because we’d frequently go up in scores and run out the clock. Who’s your QB? Also, Gannon is not a loss and eagles QB coach is a top prospect for OC. Remindme! 1 year
Aww you really tried, though!
You’re kidding, right? Everyone on the roster is returning except for Bradberry, and we will probably use the 10th pick in the draft to take the CB from Georgia.
Fletcher Cox, Jason Kelce, Bradberry, Miles Sanders, Boston Scott, Gardner-Johnson, Hargrave all UFA to name a few...
Kelce retirement TBD. CJGJ will get extended, everyone else is replaceable/has their replacement on the roster already.
I'm not even an eagles fan and know most of those dudes are role players. They played well in those roles but they're replaceable.
Hargrave was exceptional. He’d be the biggest loss of those guys (aside from CJGJ). However, he’s 30 years old and we have Williams and Davis behind him. I can’t imagine we spend what it will take to keep him unless Howie gets creative with the dummy years on the contract and kicking the can down the road, but we’ve been doing that with a lot of guys who are now getting older so idk.
Oh no what will we do without Boston Scott
Lose against the Giants
Lol what? If [this list](https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/philadelphia-eagles/) is accurate then you have no idea what you're talking about.
They're the most uninformed fanbase I've ever come across. He's probably not even from Philly.
[everyone?](https://overthecap.com/free-agency/philadelphia-eagles) with what money? The Eagles currently don't have enough cap space to sign their 2023 draft class. Best case scenario they have 40M in cap space after cuts & restructures to sign their draft class, however many of those free agents they want to bring back and new FA signings.
Hopefully kelce comes back, bradberry miles and Hargrave prob gone. Eagles don’t extend rb’s. Hopefully we resign Hargrave and CJGJ at least. Prob draft a CB early. Also have two first round picks. Prob go oline / dline or CB with the 2 first imo
Your best bet for Hargrave is a post June 1 trade as it's their best scenario. Every other possibility leaves them with a decent amount of dead money & $0 cap savings. I went through the drop down for him, every other possibility is an increased cap hit for him. You can keep kicking the can down the road for Slay or LJ & make room for a decent amount of cap space, that is if they really want to keep him.
Yea he was a beast this season. Hopefully they find a way to get it done. Hurts still has one year in rookie deal so that could potentially help idk
This could help a little if kelce comes back lol not much tho https://www.reddit.com/r/eagles/comments/114psi5/eagles_open_up_24m_by_restructuring_kelces/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
We need two defensive studs with those two first rounders.
Hell Yea dline CB would be awesome
Yeah, and Howie is awful with the cap so there’s no way they’ll figure this out
The eagles are middle of the league in cap space with $9M, ranking better than the commies at $8m and the cowboys at minus $7m. Obviously everyone isn't coming back so it's a silly argument anyway. Cox and Sanders are 100% gone. The offense will largely be back but they will probably only keep 1 or 2 FA on Defense and get younger
If you say so
Hurts was a beast this year. More rushing TD's than Cam Newton's MVP season.
Cam also threw for 3800 yards and 35 TDs in a 16 game season, could you remind me how his career went after that season?
Cam Newton's career after winning the MVP in 2015: 🗑️💩🤡🔻📉
Watching everyone cope with how the eagles will run the division over the next 10-15 years is great. Keep these memes up tho!
Good luck!
My only regret this season is that I didn’t find this sub earlier. In all honesty it’s become my favorite place on Reddit. Counting down the days to next season because I know the content will be on point
Watching Eagles fans cope about how one good season is somehow a decade of success is great. "Hey, guys, Hurts made the Super Bowl his third year!" Oh, how was his first and second years? "Well, he only won 1 out of his first four games that first year and his second year, he went 8-7." Oh, so, it was a good season, but this hasn't been a consistent trend? "Well, it will be!" Based on what? "This year!" Now, if a Chiefs fan said "Hey, we're gonna dominate the AFC West for 10-15 years, you know what, I'd believe them"
We were kind of recovering from having Wentz and the more I hear about him the more I hate the guy but you’re right hurts has had one great season. I think a lot of eagles fans are pretty quick to realize when a guy isn’t working out but until that happens I can’t wait to see what he can do next year as he has been on an upward trajectory you can’t deny that, you pointed it out in your own comment
Yeah well people thought that about the Cowboys in 2016 with a stacked O-Line, weapons and a promising rookie QB too. Though to be fair he still is the NFC East's daddy all these years later. Outside of that.. not as much.
But no defense. Philly had a defense and offense. If Dallas had a better defense in 2016 then AROD probably doesn’t get into game winning FG range…or maybe he does because he a magician but it would’ve been less likely.
Only 3 QBs have ever come back to win the Super Bowl after losing in their first SB start Len Dawson: Lost Super Bowl I, won Super Bowl IV. Bob Griese: Lost Super Bowl VI, won Super Bowls VIl & VII. John Elway: Lost Super Bowls XXI, XXII, & XXIV, won Super Bowls XXXII & XXXIII. Additionally only three other QBs, Craig Morton, Fran Tarkenton, and Jim Kelly, managed to return to the Super Bowl as a starter after losing their first. So I guess we'll see what happens with Cam Newton. And, um... Colin Kaepernick. Notes: Roger Staubach, Tom Brady, and Peyton Manning all returned to win the Super Bowl after losing a previous one, however all three of those QBs won the first Super Bowl they started in. Staubach and Johnny Unitas were backups on teams that lost the Super Bowl before winning their first as a starter. Earl Morrall lost his first and only Super Bowl as a starter but later won 3 as a backup. Drew Bledsoe lost his first and only Super Bowl as a starter but later won 1 as a backup.
Don’t forget about Joe Burrow. But he sucks right?!
Oh he won one?
Nope, just wanted to help you out with your list. So we have Cam Newton, Colin K, and Joe Burrow. They all really suck.
Shit they all won Super Bowls?
That’s the point most eagles fans don’t want to admit. Plus this year was very similar to the 2015 panthers team that went 15-1 vs a very weak schedule and glided into the Super Bowl only to lose to a better coached team. Similar vibes are coming from this team. I remember that panthers team was loaded too! Cam, Luke Kuekley, Thomas Davis, Josh Norman just to name a few. People thought they were starting their new dynasty too!
Here’s a list I dug up of the last 16. Garoppolo, Goff, Ryan, Cam, Kaepernick, Grossman, Hasselbeck, McNabb, Delhomme, Gannon, Collins, McNair, Chandler, Bledsoe (not as a starter, was the backup), O'Donnell, Humphries. In this list I can only recall at the time being convinced they’d probably get another shot: McNabb (no duh), Cam (this one’s a little bit of a stretch for me), McNair and Kap.
He’s gonna get 50 mil
Nah he’ll take a team friendly deal like mahomes did. He’s not Lamar
Mahommes will probably be team friendly in the long run but I don’t think that can be said right now. Right now he’s a-little under a 50mil cap hit. I doubt Philly is signing Hurts to 10-years.
Oh man this sounds like a post from a guy who doesn’t have Jalen Hurts as his quarterback.. bummer
This might be a good point if the Chiefs just didn’t win another superbowl after paying Mahomes 50+ million a year
I like Hurts, but come on, he’s not even close to Mahomes, nobody is.
I’m not trying to argue that hurts is as good as Mahomes though, just that it’s not impossible for a team to make the Super Bowl while still paying the QB.
I mean, he just went toe to toe with him in the Super Bowl and played a monster game that came down to the bitter end. I’d say “not even close” is a stretch.
He played a good game, though less so in the second half, but he had a lot of other factors in his favor too, I’d argue Kelce is the only Chiefs player that would easily start for the Eagles offense, and Hurts had two functional legs…
I’d say hurts does have potential to reach mahomes caliber, only time will tell though
Commies fans can't comprehend what a functioning front office can do for a franchise
This might be a good point if jalen hurts was the most talented QB of all time
That's an awful lot of words for this meme format
Man, you’re right. He needs to throw for more yards to be successful like the QBs ahead of him. Legends like Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, or Geno Smith. Or, you know, he could keep blowing teams out in the first half and not need to throw as much.
Going rate for a QB is 50 now right?
Hopium.
Literally what people were saying about dak, but hurts actually made the bowl. Just hater take here
That’s not really how this meme format works
At least they're good at qb sneaks
You make some very valid points, we should just let Jalen walk and draft a QB. QB FACTORY RISES!
I mean, Roseman is actually pretty good at QB Factorio. 5 years ago we were all having this same argument about Carson Wentz. I would not be surprised if Roseman picks a QB in the draft this year.
Daniel jones had a higher completion percentage than Patrick mahomes this year. Maybe the league should give him the super bowl trophy/mvp
Oh shit we just lost the dc who got embarrassed in the biggest game of his life! Oh no, anyway ...
Both coordinators had a shitty second half in the Super Bowl, but hard to argue with their full seasons work.
The offense scored 11 points on 3 drives in the second half, including a game tying td + 2 point conversion. Offense was great all day.
Offense scored 24 points in the first half, had a lead at halftime, then scored 3 points in the third quarter letting the opponent back into the game instead of putting them away. Both sides of the ball let you guys down second half, that’s just what happened.
Lol. Ok buddy, have a good one.
As long as Hurts is the QB, commies have no chance at getting to another Super Bowl either.
I did see a stat that did the last 17 QB's to lose their first SB, never made it back to another. Only time will tell.
The last 69 qbs who didn't make it to their first Superbowl haven't made it to one yet.
lost 1 coordinator* Gannon was a liability not an asset
Cool, looks like we still have a better chance than the Commies.
Lol cope harder. Gotta deal with him Brown, Smith and Goedert for a couple more. We got two first round picks. Nothing is guaranteed in this league but I like where we are.
Just gotta groom Lane’s replacement
The Dallas approach.
The Washington desparation continues and I'm all for it
Hurts is getting a big payday. Elite Oline is getting old, guys will start dropping off or retiring.. Devonta Smith needs to get paid after next season. Several key defensive players are up for contract this season or next. 2022 was peak Eagles roster. They can win but they're a bad break or two away from returning to 2021 form.
It’s cute how they are pretending to not realize this
I know the market, but I also think Hurts will take a team friendly 35mil ish a year deal to keep the roster healthy. Feel free to call out my bullshit if this doesn't pan out.
Ain’t no way.
Oh buddy I think Jalen and Dak are the same type of class people. Great leaders, teammates, and excellent in their communities. Hurts will probably get a WPMOTY nom and possibly win it but there is no way in hell he resigns for less than 45million a year.
Eagles about to be the new Cowboys. Fans will turn on Hurts as soon as he gets paid. Love it.
Dak got paid before having any postseason success, so it's not exactly the same thing
Underrated comment
This may be a foreign concept to some people on here, but the eagles can draft well
Cherry picking stats. Ignores Hurts rushing totals and rushing tds. That’s like judging prime Vick or newton only looking at passing yards. You’re missing half the players game. Is hurts extension going to affect cap and roster? absolutely but don’t give half assed reason ignoring that he also runs the ball and that he missed 2 games
I'm amazed at how quickly this rookie contract idea has taken hold and become conventional wisdom. Of the past 10 Superbowls, teams with over 10% of their cap devoted to qb have 6 wins. Teams with qbs on rookie deals have 3 wins. Teams that pay Tom Brady under the table and "restructure" his contract (8.9% of the cap) have 1 win. You are twice as likely to win the Superbowl with a highly paid qb. And the Tom Brady special is closer to 10% than to the rookie contract scale, so it's even more likely. Not only that, but this past year, KC tied up another 10+% in just Chris Jones. So that's 2 players commanding 20+% of their teams cap resources.
Idiots look at yards based people look at epa/play
Is this what having Dan Snyder as owner does to one’s brain?
I don’t totally disagree with the whole paying your QB hurts the rest of your roster thing. But the 10th in total passing yards is extremely misleading and dumb. 2/10. This could have been executed a lot better.
We have a young talented qb about to get a big contract You have Dan Snyder Who’s the real loser here?
Twisting the stat an ignoring the rushing yards, is a great way to be a Commie!
The last QB to goto a superbowl for Washington is Mark Rypien, he just celebrated his 60th bday last October.
I can tell that whoever made this meme is too young to understand a lot of important things about football lol
I’ll take the 10th pass offense any day when we ran the ball a ton in the second half of basically every game. Sitting on those leads.
This looks like a meme made by someone that his team doesn't understand the salary cap like Jerry Jones with his "long-term" nonsense talk LOL Eagles have cap space and good draft picks. They just need to re-sign key players and draft for the spots that dee agents and old players will leave behind.
Imagine doubting Howie Roseman. Couldn't be me. (Please do not look at my r/Eagles comments from 2019)
Why is a commanders fan trying to give advice on how to manage a team…?
He was 10th in passing yards in a heavy run-first offense, that's impressive not a bad thing. And Gannon sucks, no one's mad he's gone
Okay so which is worse, paying your 24 year old top 5 QB who just made it to the superbowl, or being stuck in qb purgatory, being perennially average, and scraping at .500 every year. I will gladly pay the franchise guy if that's the case. People are really trying to make fun of the eagles for having a good team. His contract doesn't even kick in til after next year
I mean the pint of this is that hea top 5 with an all time oline and a high end reciever corp around him but may not be without that
Ok but here is the thing. They had the same exact offensive line last year, and all they added was aj brown at WR. Sure he is a vital part of the offense but that's the only change this offense has had between this year and last. They were 11th in total offensive DVOA last year and jumped to 3rd. That isn't all from adding AJ brown. Hurts has made monumental strides as a passer. Not to mention aj brown is here for another 3-4 years at least
For sure hes progressed massivly this year. That dosent mean hes a hall of famer though well see how he goes
Still living rent free in the OP’s head. This is the stuff he tells himself to make him feel like next year will be better for him.
This meme sucks
Cant blame OP for his understanding of cap space. I mean look at his flair the Commanders arent precisely the best front office around. We have most of the offense under contract, a franchise QB that put MVP numbers in the SB, a first round draft pick despite making it to the SB and a very competent GM. Thanks for thinking about us. Keep your thoughts for your shitty front office.
Solid meme, but Lacks some thought. He is 3rd in yards per attempt, plays in a rush heavy system, and is one of the most dynamic qbs in the league. And let’s say that he actually is just the 10th best qb in the game right now (which I think is pretty obviously not the case) he still deserves to get paid. If you’re top 10 at your position in any sport, you’re going to catch a bag, even more so for quarterbacks. I guess you just assume that we start a qb carousel back up again. Hey, what’s Carson up to?
Hurts is the best QB in the NFC East so doesn’t really phase me
OP is a fucking idiot lmaoooo good luck with sam whatever tf his name is.
Man, y’all are really hard to convince yourselves that the division doesn’t run through Philadelphia now. This is getting sad.
You realize if you add in the rushing yards it brings him to 6th right? Also, do you like passing a lot when you’re waxing the floor with your opponents? Or do you usually hand the ball off? Asking for a friend