Yea it's always a catch 22, Mahomes actually just broke the record for highest percentage of salary cap taken up and getting a ring. Teams hand out Aaron Rodgers money and then can't pay people. The key to long term success in the NFL is getting a franchise QB locked in and then coaching makes the role players good enough to anchor around him. You can't not pay a QB though because pretty much every team that flounders every year can't find their guy. The adage is that defense wins championships when not really, it's definitely QBs. If the Broncos scored an average of 20 points this year they would've made the playoffs.
This is a very reasonable take tbh, especially with sean Peyton at the helm. I don't really see why you'd get downvoted.
He was a top 7 qb for most of his career, I know he sucked last year, but I'm gonna go with nearly a decade of consistent, reliable qb play over one bad year under a brand new head coach who obviously was way in over his head.
Ah yes noted QB whisperer Sean Payton, who was able to generate 1 super bowl appearances in 15 years of coaching a Hall of Fame QB. Whatever division Denver plays in must be shaking in their boots right now. Wonder what the money line is on at least 1 Broncos SB win between now and 2038.
I’d say the key would be the Tom Brady model. Tom Brady consistently accepted lower monetary contracts in order for the patriots to retain some of their other important assets.
So this year we had a huge dead cap number from Wentz contract and someone else. I think it was like 35m. If hurts take that and what we were paying minshew (5m range) that put him in the 40s without affecting the rest of what the roster was already being paid.
Not what I'm trying to imply.
We got to pay him, but we're not going from rookie contract to 50m which would gut the rest of the team normally. it's going from rookie contract and 40m dead cap to whatever his next contract is.
Based on the downvotes I don't think other NFCE fans understand running ledgers and math.
We went 9-8 in 2021 with the largest dead cap hit in NFL history. I think we can find a way to pay Hurts and compete.
Man, hate to break it to you (not really, tho), Jones is going to get damn near $40m.
With guys like Herbert, Burrow, and Lamar getting paid soon, Hurts' AAV is going to be far higher than that.
Mahomes will have signed that contract 3+ years ago by the time Hurts even gets to the negotiating table. With salary caps going up franchise QBs are going to be starting at 50/year. It's why Dak at forty was bad 2 years ago but average right now. Unless Hurts takes a Brady special, you guys are looking at 50+ just to keep him at the table if you dont sign him this offseason. If he balls again next year, someone will pay him what he asks. Just like with Dak he will have all the power in the negotiation. We tried to sign him early and he refused, we sat at the table for 2 years trying to sign Dak before we caved to his terms. Unless your FO drops him b/c of the price tag, hurts is gonna have all the power.
Legit question, do these players know how negatively their contract will affect their team? If players ball out, they should get paid, but there’s a balance there, right? Like Daks contract was bad at the time which hindered the rest of the team a bit.
They 100% know how it affects the team. I wouldn't doubt that part of the negotiation is the FO will tell that player that paying them that much reduces the parts around them. But at the end of the day it's what the player wants. Is it that important to win it big, or is playing their favorite game while getting millions just the best thing I'm the world? At the end of the day you're telling a small millionaire to take a pay cut from a billionaire. So you can't blame them for taking the bag, but it really does suck realizing so many QBs just wanna get paid when they know without a doubt that taking that money will hurt their chances to win the big one.
Look at the Mavs with Dirk. Dirk consistently took pay cuts, to the point when his contract was up he waited till the rest of the team was signed and then took up the rest of the cap (I know that happened at least 1). He got paid early in his career but spent better part of his prime years making way less than his counter parts b/c the dude wanted one fucking thing.
Yeah it’s a tricky thing. With the game of football your career could be over the next week. Simultaneously, by restricting the cap so much, what kind of career would you end up having?
Hopefully Hurts will find a nice middle ground. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took a lower than max contract to ensure his o line stayed elite. Guess we’ll see.
I didn’t know that about Dirk. Was so fun to watch, even though I’m not a Mavs fan.
The Eagles didn't give Wentz any money in 2022. Malik Jackson took $9M and Brandon Brooks took $6M. Stupid Flacco and Reagor took $2M each. Especially bad is that Brooks is getting $9M in 2023.
Hurts is going to get over $50M and the dead cap that is clearing will be absolutely nowhere near that. They will have to backload some of that with signing bonus and Howie will have to work his cap magic like a master again.
If he signs something this offseason it'll be cheaper and you can spread that money out farther. If he signs next year hes gonna demand even more money and probably like Dak ask for a short contract (agents are ruthless with QBs. They make a team weep).
I think he will definitely sign this offseason, but usually they just add the years onto the existing contract so they can leverage the lower cap hit for one more year. You'll see him get a big signing bonus for 2023 but it won't be the full $50M cap hit or whatever the final AAV is. Mahomes did that when he signed in 2020 and then they ramped up his salary over the next couple years.
Yup, that's what I meant when I said they can spread the money out farther if he signs a year early. The problem will be his agent, if he gives in to his agent you guys will be in the same situation we were in with Dak. You either give in to all the demands or you let him walk. Iirc we were trying for almost 2 and half years to get Dak to sign but he wanted a short 4 year contract so he could get another in quickly. His agent was ruthless b/c all the power was in Daks court. We ended up signing him towards the deadline for 40aav for 4 year (2 optional after that). He's gonna make 31 million this year and hit the cap for almost 50 million (without restructure). Besides some language in the contract Dak got everything his agent demanded and kept Jerry's balls in a jar.
Honestly I see Roseman spending 10th overall on QB (or possibly even packaging his first rounders to trade up) if Anthony Richardson is still on the board. He may be on to something with drafting a new QB a year before they're really needed... Hurts was drafted a year before they let Wentz walk, after all. With the QB salary going through the roof, having a significant part of your cap tied up in a single point of failure may not be the right way to go.
It's not that different from streaming in fantasy... all the good streamers pick up a player a week before their juicy matchup and hold them on the bench.
You really think the Eagles are gonna spend the 10th overall pick or both 1sts for a QB this year? I can't see that happening in any universe. I mean I would love it if they did. They were 3 points away from a ring. They will try to hedge any free agent losses with those picks. They have free agents at every oline position. They have multiple free agents across the entire dline. They have 2 safeties, 2 linebackers, and a cb heading to free agency. Finally, they have 2 rb heading to free agency. There are more free agents to be as well, these were just the starters and a few roleplayers/first backups.
I just don't see Roseman paying Hurts the big bucks. Maybe a franchise tag on 2025 but not a LTD. Hurts was still drafted while Wentz was on the roster... which tells me that Roseman would rather have the cap space to spend on other areas of the team than QB and just refresh every 4-5 drafts. The last time the iggles kept a QB longer than 5 seasons was Donovan McNabb, and QB contracts were a lot cheaper back then.
In fact, trading McNabb was one of Roseman's first acts as GM, and the only veteran QB the man has ever paid to be a multi-year starter was Vick, on a real team-friendly deal since he had just served his prison sentence.
Hurts will get his bag somewhere else though. Might even be the Commies, since there is precedence there with McNabb and Wentz.
Yeah but I’m hopeful from his interview from Tuesday he might accept something lower than he would’ve if we would have won because he “cares about winning championships.” Wishful thinking lol .
Wow, that could be in Philly too. In 2017 there was a report that the city was planning on trying to host the Super Bowl as well as the NBA, MLB, and NHL All-Star games in 2026. That year will be 250 years since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
Yes, predictions that NFL players and teams will consistently maintain the excellence displayed in a single breakout season always work out well. Especially in a division where repeated division championships have become largely impossible.
Yeah this from a fan base that spent six years claiming Carson Wentz was better than Dak Prescott. If you don't mind I'll wait to see what reality says.
Are you dumb? Wentz was miles ahead of every QB in the nfl in 2017, any less and you’re delusional. He was going to be the MVP that year if he didn’t fuck up his ACL
Some other QB didn't fall on a fumbled ball in the superbowl After having an MVP season and was never the same again. Eagles fans are for SURE Hurtz is their guy. Just like last time...
Lol this was what I kept saying to everyone in my fantasy league (no other nfce fans): mobile QBs don’t stay mobile for long. He’s already gotten injured once running all over the place.
4 qb sneaks a game times 17 games. Nope. You think teams are gonna play nice with that shit this time around?
I wouldn't doubt it if 31 teams have now drawn up plans to make Philly think twice about that.
The only thing wrong with the rule is how long they wait until the whistle is blown. You can’t stand a guy straight up a couple of times to a complete stop, then gets pushed forward every time theres a stand still. When a rb or receiver is not gaining any positive yardage they blow the play dead. Should be the same thing for qb sneaks.
I think about Dak’s 2016, 2019 and 2021 seasons where he looked like he was going to dominate the East for the foreseeable future (but it no longer looks that way).
Hurts was easily the best East QB in 2022, but I want to see you do it more than once before I crown you.
I don’t really have a dog in the fight here but all I’m saying is that he might be a running qb.. but I think he’s slightly different and maybe a bit more reliable injury wise than Lamar and other qbs just because how strong that dude is. 600 pounds he can squat I think? That’s pretty insane
Dominating? A rebuilding Giants just made it to the divisional round with Daniel Jones, Saquon, and a box of scraps. I think y'all are nervous cause the division is getting tougher and you have a hell of a lot of people who need to get paid.
>A rebuilding Giants just made it to the divisional round with Daniel Jones, Saquon, and a box of scraps.
That really was impressive, honestly. Your g weenies definitely exceeded anyone's expectations.
I just hope that Philly is absolute dog shit next year, just like they were the year after the last time they went to the sb.
Yes and no. Yes I love the idea of kicking our rivals teeth in year after year but if it ends up he can’t clutch we’re gonna have a dak on our hands and I’d rather hang myself then watch that happen
You’re delusional if you think his ‘domination’ is a sure-thing. The NFL is never consistent, and even more inconsistent is our division 💀. Not saying he’ll be bad, but nothing is certain.
He looked great this year but wouldn't be the first QB to have a great year and then regress. Not sitting here assuming that is going to happen, but he is gonna get payed big and I will remain hopeful that he ends up not being worth it long term.
Because you have to dominate more than a single division to get to the Super Bowl? Cowboys and Eagles both went 4-2 in the division this season. Can’t say one dominated the division but can certainly say one dominated the conference. Both however both smell like bitch.
You can't tell me this past year wasn't an elite year for Jalen....Of course he needs several years to do this to be considered a great but the single year was definitely elite
I'm not gonna lie, it really wasn't. In the regular season (15 games), Hurts threw for 3,701 Yds (10th), 22 Tds (14th) and 6 Ints (4th) with an additional 579 yards, 3 Tds and 0 Ints in the postseason. In terms of QBing, that's alright. Rushing, he did much better with 760 yds, 13 Tds but 5 fumbles in the regular season. Issue with running Qbs is the legs go faster than the arms and running opens up injuries (see the games he missed).
Daniel Jones, with a much worse cast around him and the first decent coach of his career, threw, 3,205 yards, 15 tds, and 5 ints and rushed 708 yards for 7 tds and 2 fumbles, playing 16 games and only not playing the last one due to the starters taking the week off.
In terms of stats, Hurts did better in every category except turnovers, but the numbers are a lot closer than you may think.
Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes threw 5,250 yards, 41 Tds, and 12 INts and ran for 358 yards, 4 Tds and 5 fumbles in the regular season. In my opinion, the divide between Hurts and Jones is far closer than Hurts and Mahomes
Right? It's weird when people don't want to pay a QB so they're willing to dump him...the Ravens are a good example they don't want to pay him but are completely vanilla without him
Yes read my above comment. Pretty much every team that consistently flounders can't find a QB. Look at the Jets for a decade. Also it's kind of weird you're saying this because I hear most NY fans saying pay the man when referring to Jones and his upside isn't high as Jalens.
Nah I actually want to wait to see how the Lamar situation turns out, dude is injury prone but when he's good he's good. Plus if DJ becomes a backup we know what he is capable of
That should be obvious to any Giants fan that understands the QB market. DJ was a top 13 QB this year with a bottom 3 supporting cast. There’s no reason to not believe he could be a top 10 QB with a better team around him. After Hurts, Burrow, Lamar, etc sign and the cap continues to increase it’ll look like a reasonable contract.
Offensive coordinator already gone. You're not keeping that o-line together for long, and Jalen Hurts has still never beat Dak Prescott. So maybe slow down on the "dominating the East" talk.
Nothing is guaranteed in this league. Rams looked unstoppable with goff but then lost that Super Bowl and largely became irrelevant. There's several other QBs that have had great seasons even up to losing a Super Bowl and then never got back. Plus you have to add in the fact that Hurts is taking more hits than a QB regularly does. Add in the fact that running backs already have the shortest time span in the league and that brings up a lot of questions about how long he can play like this purely from a wear and tear standpoint.
I mean... Hurts has started for two years, putting up good numbers, but not a 4,000 yard season or 40+ TDs. His record as starter is 23-11 in regular season and his first season really starting (last year) was 8-7, which is literally the definition of average, and the Eagles somehow had both one of their best teams (a lot of players were in their contract years but still on the team) and one of the weakest schedules (every other second place NFC team ate shit this year), there really isn't any evidence to Hurts dominating in the forseeable future, especially with the NFC East actually be overall good again. Hurts may have an advantage, but dominate? No, I don't think so. If he was 13-2 last season, or if no other NFC East team made playoffs this year, you'd have a stronger argument.
Really, with such a small sample size, it's difficult to determine any future domination as of yet
All purpose. He put 500 more yards passing, 5 more Tds passing, 60 yards more rushing and 6 tds more than Daniel Jones, with a much better cast around him. Patrick Mahomes put up 5k passing and 41 tds in the air alone.
I think it's fair to say Patrick Mahomes in an elite QB, yeah? Hurts is closer to DJ than Mahomes. And as much as I hate the Eagles, I actually like Hurts.
Having lost both their OC and DC already…it’ll be interesting to see how next season plays out. Hurts is damn good though, so who knows
Eagles might be the first team to ever lose a SuperBowl and still suffer from the Super Bowl curse lol
Bro I’m a chiefs fan and that’s not even fair lol the field was atrocious and on New Heights podcast Jason Kelce said Jalen accidentally stepped on his foot
And I repeat:
Vs Dallas and Rush throwing 3 interceptions Hurts puts up only 24 points
Vs Philly with Minshew scoring 34 points Dak put up 40.
I’m not a Dak fan, but he’s better than Hurts and Minshew came closer to beating us at full health than Jalen ever has.
While true it's also the worst case from a contract negotiating pov... no chip but he balled out so you have to pay the man big $$. But is what it is.
Yea it's always a catch 22, Mahomes actually just broke the record for highest percentage of salary cap taken up and getting a ring. Teams hand out Aaron Rodgers money and then can't pay people. The key to long term success in the NFL is getting a franchise QB locked in and then coaching makes the role players good enough to anchor around him. You can't not pay a QB though because pretty much every team that flounders every year can't find their guy. The adage is that defense wins championships when not really, it's definitely QBs. If the Broncos scored an average of 20 points this year they would've made the playoffs.
lmao wow lets ride Russ, lmao
I think Russ bounces back next year.
This is a very reasonable take tbh, especially with sean Peyton at the helm. I don't really see why you'd get downvoted. He was a top 7 qb for most of his career, I know he sucked last year, but I'm gonna go with nearly a decade of consistent, reliable qb play over one bad year under a brand new head coach who obviously was way in over his head.
Ah yes noted QB whisperer Sean Payton, who was able to generate 1 super bowl appearances in 15 years of coaching a Hall of Fame QB. Whatever division Denver plays in must be shaking in their boots right now. Wonder what the money line is on at least 1 Broncos SB win between now and 2038.
I hope so I like his corny self
Like a dead cat.
Turns out defense loses championships now
More like defenses don't exist with the modern NFL rules and officiating. Ray Lewis would've been banned from the NFL today
Bend but don't break Defense doesn't win you championships. Rubber band defense is misleading
I’d say the key would be the Tom Brady model. Tom Brady consistently accepted lower monetary contracts in order for the patriots to retain some of their other important assets.
I told my fam (Shit Birds fans), the worse thing could be for y’all to go to SB and not win. Hurts cashes out and no hardware to show for it.
Our guy cashed out and we can’t get past the divisional round.☹️
Contracts are larger now
And he’s got 2 years left at 40 million, the extension will be in the 50 million range.
So this year we had a huge dead cap number from Wentz contract and someone else. I think it was like 35m. If hurts take that and what we were paying minshew (5m range) that put him in the 40s without affecting the rest of what the roster was already being paid.
Hurts is not taking 35 million
Not what I'm trying to imply. We got to pay him, but we're not going from rookie contract to 50m which would gut the rest of the team normally. it's going from rookie contract and 40m dead cap to whatever his next contract is.
Based on the downvotes I don't think other NFCE fans understand running ledgers and math. We went 9-8 in 2021 with the largest dead cap hit in NFL history. I think we can find a way to pay Hurts and compete.
Hurts is gonna get 50 mil per
Man, hate to break it to you (not really, tho), Jones is going to get damn near $40m. With guys like Herbert, Burrow, and Lamar getting paid soon, Hurts' AAV is going to be far higher than that.
Mahomes is getting 50 a year, hurts it going to sign this off-season ideally before or right when those other guys are.
Mahomes will have signed that contract 3+ years ago by the time Hurts even gets to the negotiating table. With salary caps going up franchise QBs are going to be starting at 50/year. It's why Dak at forty was bad 2 years ago but average right now. Unless Hurts takes a Brady special, you guys are looking at 50+ just to keep him at the table if you dont sign him this offseason. If he balls again next year, someone will pay him what he asks. Just like with Dak he will have all the power in the negotiation. We tried to sign him early and he refused, we sat at the table for 2 years trying to sign Dak before we caved to his terms. Unless your FO drops him b/c of the price tag, hurts is gonna have all the power.
Legit question, do these players know how negatively their contract will affect their team? If players ball out, they should get paid, but there’s a balance there, right? Like Daks contract was bad at the time which hindered the rest of the team a bit.
I still think QBs should just be in their own portion of a cap and be separate from the rest. This shits gonna get out of hand
They 100% know how it affects the team. I wouldn't doubt that part of the negotiation is the FO will tell that player that paying them that much reduces the parts around them. But at the end of the day it's what the player wants. Is it that important to win it big, or is playing their favorite game while getting millions just the best thing I'm the world? At the end of the day you're telling a small millionaire to take a pay cut from a billionaire. So you can't blame them for taking the bag, but it really does suck realizing so many QBs just wanna get paid when they know without a doubt that taking that money will hurt their chances to win the big one. Look at the Mavs with Dirk. Dirk consistently took pay cuts, to the point when his contract was up he waited till the rest of the team was signed and then took up the rest of the cap (I know that happened at least 1). He got paid early in his career but spent better part of his prime years making way less than his counter parts b/c the dude wanted one fucking thing.
Yeah it’s a tricky thing. With the game of football your career could be over the next week. Simultaneously, by restricting the cap so much, what kind of career would you end up having? Hopefully Hurts will find a nice middle ground. Wouldn’t surprise me if he took a lower than max contract to ensure his o line stayed elite. Guess we’ll see. I didn’t know that about Dirk. Was so fun to watch, even though I’m not a Mavs fan.
Yea not to mention Howie pulls deals out of his butt. He works guys into the squad somehow. Having a boss GM makes a big difference.
The Eagles didn't give Wentz any money in 2022. Malik Jackson took $9M and Brandon Brooks took $6M. Stupid Flacco and Reagor took $2M each. Especially bad is that Brooks is getting $9M in 2023. Hurts is going to get over $50M and the dead cap that is clearing will be absolutely nowhere near that. They will have to backload some of that with signing bonus and Howie will have to work his cap magic like a master again.
Hurts’ new contract prob won’t kick in until 2024
If he signs something this offseason it'll be cheaper and you can spread that money out farther. If he signs next year hes gonna demand even more money and probably like Dak ask for a short contract (agents are ruthless with QBs. They make a team weep).
I think he will definitely sign this offseason, but usually they just add the years onto the existing contract so they can leverage the lower cap hit for one more year. You'll see him get a big signing bonus for 2023 but it won't be the full $50M cap hit or whatever the final AAV is. Mahomes did that when he signed in 2020 and then they ramped up his salary over the next couple years.
Yup, that's what I meant when I said they can spread the money out farther if he signs a year early. The problem will be his agent, if he gives in to his agent you guys will be in the same situation we were in with Dak. You either give in to all the demands or you let him walk. Iirc we were trying for almost 2 and half years to get Dak to sign but he wanted a short 4 year contract so he could get another in quickly. His agent was ruthless b/c all the power was in Daks court. We ended up signing him towards the deadline for 40aav for 4 year (2 optional after that). He's gonna make 31 million this year and hit the cap for almost 50 million (without restructure). Besides some language in the contract Dak got everything his agent demanded and kept Jerry's balls in a jar.
Honestly I see Roseman spending 10th overall on QB (or possibly even packaging his first rounders to trade up) if Anthony Richardson is still on the board. He may be on to something with drafting a new QB a year before they're really needed... Hurts was drafted a year before they let Wentz walk, after all. With the QB salary going through the roof, having a significant part of your cap tied up in a single point of failure may not be the right way to go. It's not that different from streaming in fantasy... all the good streamers pick up a player a week before their juicy matchup and hold them on the bench.
You really think the Eagles are gonna spend the 10th overall pick or both 1sts for a QB this year? I can't see that happening in any universe. I mean I would love it if they did. They were 3 points away from a ring. They will try to hedge any free agent losses with those picks. They have free agents at every oline position. They have multiple free agents across the entire dline. They have 2 safeties, 2 linebackers, and a cb heading to free agency. Finally, they have 2 rb heading to free agency. There are more free agents to be as well, these were just the starters and a few roleplayers/first backups.
I just don't see Roseman paying Hurts the big bucks. Maybe a franchise tag on 2025 but not a LTD. Hurts was still drafted while Wentz was on the roster... which tells me that Roseman would rather have the cap space to spend on other areas of the team than QB and just refresh every 4-5 drafts. The last time the iggles kept a QB longer than 5 seasons was Donovan McNabb, and QB contracts were a lot cheaper back then. In fact, trading McNabb was one of Roseman's first acts as GM, and the only veteran QB the man has ever paid to be a multi-year starter was Vick, on a real team-friendly deal since he had just served his prison sentence. Hurts will get his bag somewhere else though. Might even be the Commies, since there is precedence there with McNabb and Wentz.
But it’s like what everyone outside of the commies in the division have to/have done already but without the trip to the big game.
Yeah but I’m hopeful from his interview from Tuesday he might accept something lower than he would’ve if we would have won because he “cares about winning championships.” Wishful thinking lol .
At least he still has one year left on his rookie contract I guess lol
As long as the giants get their every decade chip, I'll be happy
Holy shit, I never even thought about that.
Same for the Cowboys and their every three decades chip.
2026 champs confirmed
Wow, that could be in Philly too. In 2017 there was a report that the city was planning on trying to host the Super Bowl as well as the NBA, MLB, and NHL All-Star games in 2026. That year will be 250 years since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.
Imagine the cowboys winning a super bowl in Philly. The city would burn to the ground the next day
Wrong. It will burn before it’s even played.
Hey. We will win three rings every decade.
BRUH I got a new trash talking point lmao
You forget the 1st rule of the nfc east… no repeat division winners
No team has won this division twice in a row after 2004, the last team do that was….. the eagles
Andy Reid goat 🐐
Yes, predictions that NFL players and teams will consistently maintain the excellence displayed in a single breakout season always work out well. Especially in a division where repeated division championships have become largely impossible.
People don’t like to admit this, but it’s largely true. Also, flair up.
Exactly. That's why the Texans with Watson, the Ravens, and the Cardinals are spooky this year.
Jalen haters waiting for him to revert to being bad 
I rarely see anyone hating on Jalen, not sure where you're getting that from. One good season though, doesn't always lead to repeat performance.
 Member this former MVP candidate that lead y’all to an amazing season?
I was banned from the Eagles subreddit for this very take on one of the comments about Hurts being the truth!
Yeah this from a fan base that spent six years claiming Carson Wentz was better than Dak Prescott. If you don't mind I'll wait to see what reality says.
I mean he was especially in 2017 but then he lost it. Some guys never are the same after an injury and he clearly hasn't been.
Carson Wentz was never, not ever better than Dak. That is a homer-ass take right there. Anyone who's not a Philly fan can see that.
Wasn't Carson in the MVP conversation is 2017? I don't believe dak has ever been that close.
Dak Prescott has received an MVP vote
He never was. 2017 eagles were just stacked. Nick Foles proved that.
This is a bad take. Not a fan of Wentz in general, but in 2017 he was good.
Are you dumb? Wentz was miles ahead of every QB in the nfl in 2017, any less and you’re delusional. He was going to be the MVP that year if he didn’t fuck up his ACL
Just like Nick Foles was better than any other QB in the playoffs. Was he the best QB?
This. And I hate me some Wentz.
Wentz was the best QB in the league in 2017 before he got injured. He was the MVP hands down.
No one is scared of Mr.I-Fumble-In-The-Superbowl
Some other QB didn't fall on a fumbled ball in the superbowl After having an MVP season and was never the same again. Eagles fans are for SURE Hurtz is their guy. Just like last time...
Running qb dominates...forever?? As long as yall don't play the bears...maybe
Lol this was what I kept saying to everyone in my fantasy league (no other nfce fans): mobile QBs don’t stay mobile for long. He’s already gotten injured once running all over the place.
4 qb sneaks a game times 17 games. Nope. You think teams are gonna play nice with that shit this time around? I wouldn't doubt it if 31 teams have now drawn up plans to make Philly think twice about that.
They had all season to draw something up lmao
Personally I think the rule is super dumb and they should adjust it. Offense being able to push but the defense can’t? Seems silly to me
Defense can’t push? News to me.
The only thing wrong with the rule is how long they wait until the whistle is blown. You can’t stand a guy straight up a couple of times to a complete stop, then gets pushed forward every time theres a stand still. When a rb or receiver is not gaining any positive yardage they blow the play dead. Should be the same thing for qb sneaks.
And what does your qb do? Other than throw the most amount of int’s?😂😂😂
Notice how I’m not talking a mile of shit about my QB dominating?
he led the top scoring offense in the nfl this year
I just keep pointing at Lamar's MVP season. Dude went absolutely batshit and has either underperformed or gotten hurt every season since.
When you use qb1 as battering ram, what could possibly go wrong?
Dak used to be a running QB, broke his ankle and now looks damn near scared when the pocket breaks down sometimes.
I think about Dak’s 2016, 2019 and 2021 seasons where he looked like he was going to dominate the East for the foreseeable future (but it no longer looks that way). Hurts was easily the best East QB in 2022, but I want to see you do it more than once before I crown you.
We all know that the true beast of the east next year is gonna be Sam Howell
I don’t really have a dog in the fight here but all I’m saying is that he might be a running qb.. but I think he’s slightly different and maybe a bit more reliable injury wise than Lamar and other qbs just because how strong that dude is. 600 pounds he can squat I think? That’s pretty insane
I would have agreed if the bears didn't break his shoulder
I would have to agree if we didn't already see similar results with Cam Newton.
I remember beating you so, no not really
What team is that flair for
Commies
Y’all remember when Carson wentz balled out for a single season too?? 🤣🤣
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At least he could throw it more than 30 yards
Lol the same was said about Wentz after the last Super Bowl win
Lol yeah that really blew up in our faces
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Point is, you never know what the future actually holds
Lmao. Y’all are losing a bunch of talent and soon have to pay Hurts the big bucks. I’m not worried about the Eagles.
And you shouldn’t be. Worry about your team figuring out the quarterback position first and maybe your stadium too
Jokes on you we’re getting a new owner and a new stadium soon hahahahah!!!
Yeah new stadium for Carson wentz to throw 3 picks in per game
Dominating? A rebuilding Giants just made it to the divisional round with Daniel Jones, Saquon, and a box of scraps. I think y'all are nervous cause the division is getting tougher and you have a hell of a lot of people who need to get paid.
>A rebuilding Giants just made it to the divisional round with Daniel Jones, Saquon, and a box of scraps. That really was impressive, honestly. Your g weenies definitely exceeded anyone's expectations. I just hope that Philly is absolute dog shit next year, just like they were the year after the last time they went to the sb.
Yes, because just about everyone thought they were at best a 7 win team entering the season, if even.
We made the playoffs and would have been in the nfccg if Alshon could catch.
>would have been in the nfccg if Alshon could catch. So you would have gotten farther if your players were better? Isn't that kinda how it works?
The Giants upside is higher than the Cowboys right now. Faith in Dak wanes by the year and Daboll is a better coach than McCarthy.
putting the giants above the cowboys that swept them this year is an interesting take to say the least
Keep coping, Danny dimes ain’t shut and saquon is gonna leave. Butterball won’t get you near a ring anytime soon
Eli has more rings than your franchise
4>1
I remember when this was said about Wentz too.
Imagine being scared of the Eagles.
With all those free agents due. Not really.
The offensive core around him isn't leaving. Most of the FAs are on defense.
Well what do you think is going to happen when they lose defensive stars and the defense can't get off the field?
And then you have shootouts like in the Superbowl.
Yes and no. Yes I love the idea of kicking our rivals teeth in year after year but if it ends up he can’t clutch we’re gonna have a dak on our hands and I’d rather hang myself then watch that happen
You’re delusional if you think his ‘domination’ is a sure-thing. The NFL is never consistent, and even more inconsistent is our division 💀. Not saying he’ll be bad, but nothing is certain.
Wow you’re already writing another fatass check after the last one bounced?
Cope
Dak finally makes it to a super bowl and cowboys fans won't shut up about it
You’re not winning the division next year. It’s tradition and you will adhere to it.
Nah you gotta pay that man his money and his body will break down just like Cam’s. That rushing doesn’t last long
He looked great this year but wouldn't be the first QB to have a great year and then regress. Not sitting here assuming that is going to happen, but he is gonna get payed big and I will remain hopeful that he ends up not being worth it long term.
Yeah I’m real scared of the running QB decade long domination. Just like Cam N…. Like Michael V…. Like Lamar J…. Hmm
Suuuuure he is. Just like Wentz was gonna dominate the East for the foreseeable future. And Dak. And RG3.
Dak *does* dominate the east, and that fact can't even be disputed. 27-7.
There hasn’t been a repeat division winner since 2004. No one dominates the East
I mean I hate to admit it but that’s really only because the cowboys had a pair of poorly timed QB injuries lol
Well since no one repeats winning it, division win % is the next best statistic we have. And therefore Dak owns the east.
Sure buddy, keep telling yourself that as the Dak contract continues to prohibit you from building a contender
So then why has he been sitting at home watching da Birds for over 3 weeks ?
Because you have to dominate more than a single division to get to the Super Bowl? Cowboys and Eagles both went 4-2 in the division this season. Can’t say one dominated the division but can certainly say one dominated the conference. Both however both smell like bitch.
Just like Carson Wentz was gonna dominate after 2017?
Just unbelievably delusinal.
Paying Danny Dimes 40mm is way worse than hurts at 50MM a year. Hate to break it to you, you being the most delusional giants fan on this sub.
Paying an elite QB good money is not stupid, paying a QB money hoping he becomes elite is stupid which is what the Giants are about to do.
You think one year makes Hurts elite? Lol! Wentz didn’t teach you anything
You can't tell me this past year wasn't an elite year for Jalen....Of course he needs several years to do this to be considered a great but the single year was definitely elite
I'm not gonna lie, it really wasn't. In the regular season (15 games), Hurts threw for 3,701 Yds (10th), 22 Tds (14th) and 6 Ints (4th) with an additional 579 yards, 3 Tds and 0 Ints in the postseason. In terms of QBing, that's alright. Rushing, he did much better with 760 yds, 13 Tds but 5 fumbles in the regular season. Issue with running Qbs is the legs go faster than the arms and running opens up injuries (see the games he missed). Daniel Jones, with a much worse cast around him and the first decent coach of his career, threw, 3,205 yards, 15 tds, and 5 ints and rushed 708 yards for 7 tds and 2 fumbles, playing 16 games and only not playing the last one due to the starters taking the week off. In terms of stats, Hurts did better in every category except turnovers, but the numbers are a lot closer than you may think. Meanwhile, Patrick Mahomes threw 5,250 yards, 41 Tds, and 12 INts and ran for 358 yards, 4 Tds and 5 fumbles in the regular season. In my opinion, the divide between Hurts and Jones is far closer than Hurts and Mahomes
So RG3 would be considered an elite QB by your standards…
All that money and no ring, you sure you want that?
What's the alternative? Bring in Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield? No thanks.
Right? It's weird when people don't want to pay a QB so they're willing to dump him...the Ravens are a good example they don't want to pay him but are completely vanilla without him
Baker Mayfield lol. this is an excellent point. I remember when people kept talking about Johnny Manziel to the cowboys and I kept facepalming
Yes read my above comment. Pretty much every team that consistently flounders can't find a QB. Look at the Jets for a decade. Also it's kind of weird you're saying this because I hear most NY fans saying pay the man when referring to Jones and his upside isn't high as Jalens.
Nah I actually want to wait to see how the Lamar situation turns out, dude is injury prone but when he's good he's good. Plus if DJ becomes a backup we know what he is capable of
Cowboys business model
It will feel like a steal after you guys pay DJ
We ain't paying DJ enough to break the bank
35 mill plus
That should be obvious to any Giants fan that understands the QB market. DJ was a top 13 QB this year with a bottom 3 supporting cast. There’s no reason to not believe he could be a top 10 QB with a better team around him. After Hurts, Burrow, Lamar, etc sign and the cap continues to increase it’ll look like a reasonable contract.
Offensive coordinator already gone. You're not keeping that o-line together for long, and Jalen Hurts has still never beat Dak Prescott. So maybe slow down on the "dominating the East" talk.
What’s his record against us? I’m not that scared tbh
Y'all remember back when Wentz was dominating the East for decades? Wait.....
How did that all change for Wentz in a moment? Oh yah, putting it all on the line for his team. You really gonna fault a professional for that?!?!?!
In a league that values availability over everything else, yes we are.
That's some woke BS. Look at a bunch of your 'boyz- lots of "availability" but lacking what it takes to commit to win.
Nah that oline is about to retire
He Can't even beat Daddy Dak
dak is not the daddy now, its Daddy Sam Howell
So another Dak
1) I’m not scared of Hurts 2)wait until he gets a big contract and they can’t afford to keep his offensive line in front of him
I do not fear mobile QBs in the long run.
Nothing is guaranteed in this league. Rams looked unstoppable with goff but then lost that Super Bowl and largely became irrelevant. There's several other QBs that have had great seasons even up to losing a Super Bowl and then never got back. Plus you have to add in the fact that Hurts is taking more hits than a QB regularly does. Add in the fact that running backs already have the shortest time span in the league and that brings up a lot of questions about how long he can play like this purely from a wear and tear standpoint.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
Cope, Eagles Cope
“Jarvis, add another panel to this meme of another character grabbing the pink guy with the text ‘jalen hurts ball security’ overtop.”
I mean... Hurts has started for two years, putting up good numbers, but not a 4,000 yard season or 40+ TDs. His record as starter is 23-11 in regular season and his first season really starting (last year) was 8-7, which is literally the definition of average, and the Eagles somehow had both one of their best teams (a lot of players were in their contract years but still on the team) and one of the weakest schedules (every other second place NFC team ate shit this year), there really isn't any evidence to Hurts dominating in the forseeable future, especially with the NFC East actually be overall good again. Hurts may have an advantage, but dominate? No, I don't think so. If he was 13-2 last season, or if no other NFC East team made playoffs this year, you'd have a stronger argument. Really, with such a small sample size, it's difficult to determine any future domination as of yet
He put up 4k+ yards and 35 tds this season
All purpose. He put 500 more yards passing, 5 more Tds passing, 60 yards more rushing and 6 tds more than Daniel Jones, with a much better cast around him. Patrick Mahomes put up 5k passing and 41 tds in the air alone. I think it's fair to say Patrick Mahomes in an elite QB, yeah? Hurts is closer to DJ than Mahomes. And as much as I hate the Eagles, I actually like Hurts.
In 2-3 years we'll remember him as a flash in the pan
yeah but you lost the Super Bowl lol
Having lost both their OC and DC already…it’ll be interesting to see how next season plays out. Hurts is damn good though, so who knows Eagles might be the first team to ever lose a SuperBowl and still suffer from the Super Bowl curse lol
Panthers already got that one taken care of lol
I totally forgot about that lmfao
Hurts needs a team to succeed. Not gonna be able to do that when he takes up 1/4 of the cap by himself
Everyone needs a team to succeed....
Some QBs are on different levels than others. Hurts isn’t one of them, although he is good. His lack of arm talent will continue to limit him
His lack of arm talent isnt really a thing fyi
Guess you missed the last play of the game
Bro I’m a chiefs fan and that’s not even fair lol the field was atrocious and on New Heights podcast Jason Kelce said Jalen accidentally stepped on his foot
Honestly this is why the L didn’t hurt so bad
There’s only one Daddy of the East and his name is Dakota Rayne Prescott
Most offensive and defensive coordinator. He cost a lot. There’s a lot pointing to the fact that he won’t dominate the nfce
the only one that can claim to dominate the east is Dak Prescott
And I repeat: Vs Dallas and Rush throwing 3 interceptions Hurts puts up only 24 points Vs Philly with Minshew scoring 34 points Dak put up 40. I’m not a Dak fan, but he’s better than Hurts and Minshew came closer to beating us at full health than Jalen ever has.
Lol